Very strange peice about us on Grand old team

[Norwich or die tryin! 0]

http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/53593-Norwich-2-1-Everton-23rd-Feb-15-00

[Scooby 0]

How very bizarre 😳

[Bill 1,788]

Some cracking early photos

 

 

[morty 0]

I quite liked that[Y]

[GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 2,026]

don''t know why these clubs always refer to Norwich as such a long way and a difficult place to get to?..............it''s the same distance when we travel to their club, just the other way around?!

[Morisons Prozac 0]

The bit that annoyed me most is the bit that said we had an average defence. It''s our biggest bloody asset! More so than Hoolahan who they w*nked over

[Herman 10,988]

Bit nasty about us. It''s not as if we would stereotype them there scousers.

Have to agree with City 1st. Cracking photos. Especially the brawl with Arsenal.

[CiderkiddCanary 0]

[quote user="Herman "]Bit nasty about us. It''s not as if we would stereotype them there scousers.

Have to agree with City 1st. Cracking photos. Especially the brawl with Arsenal.[/quote]I think I know where I''d rather live. [;)]

[Rivvo 262]

The comments at the bottom are initially brimming with confidence and then as we score they all go into an ''I told you so'' meltdown. Is that what our match thread is like?

[nu_matik 184]

A lorra lorra lafs indeed :)

[K Lo 238]

The writer mistakes The Broads for being canals. They''re, for all intents and purposes, not canals although I accept there are sections of canalised river and that New Cut looks a bit straight too.

[nutty nigel 7,846]

The thread''s too long to read all the way through. Page 53 I think is about the point where the game ended. I found this : -

 

Moyes has ruined every striker he has brought to the club.
Cowardly tactics and a super defensive mindset have cost us.
As a manager, Moyes is tactically a long way from one of the best, and is completely lacking in imagination.
I have not forgotten the ''financial constraints'' WE HAVE SOME VERY GOOD PLAYERS. But they are not being coached/motivated/managed properly.
Discuss rationally.

 

Football forums, posters and expectations are the same everywhere. We''d love to be where Everton are. But if we ever got there this forum would be full of posts like that!

 

 

[Nexus_Canary 1,163]

Wow, those Everton fans are in la la land. A few of them when suggesting replacements for Moist actually went as far as to suggest Joachim Low !?!?!Oh yeah, Everton is really high on his priority when he is poised to take Germany to a Euro or World Cup final in the next few years

[Yorkshire Canary 118]

Surprised they published that. He seems one hell of a weird guy who wrote it, needs some therapy

[TCCANARY 263]

[quote user="City1st"]

Some cracking early photos

 

 

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In the first photo we''ve only got ten players, is it because the 11th is taking the picture?

 

[City penguin 0]

Pretty funny to be fair.

[Jack Barak 46]

The comments are strange too, the hated they seem to have for Moyes is shocking especially in light of what e has done for them. I remember when Everton were good and then they became dreadful, very very dreadful; year after year they would only survive by the skin of their teeth, Moyes made them a solid team, has taken them to finals and competes way above his budget every seaso - they should be signing his name not calling him some of the stuff on there. When he leaves you do have to think Everton will drop back into mid-table if they are lucky the bottom half if they aren''t. Kenwright has been trying to attract investment for years but they have a limited stadium that sucks money out of the club, no realistic way to finance a new one and, as a result, no budget. They, like many clubs, are just scrapping by and yet he competes with clubs with wealthy backers and plentiful income streams.I honestly wonder about people, does no one bother to look at what has happened to some of the other clubs that over performed when they changed managers - Charlton, Wigan, Blackburn, Newcastle, Liverpool (to some extent) and so on.

[Yelloow Since 72 56]

I enjoyed the blog so much I just had to go back and watch MotD again without any sympathy whatsoever for the Sticky Toffees!

[Howson is now! 0]

[quote user="Sir Humphrey Appleby"]The comments are strange too, the hated they seem to have for Moyes is shocking especially in light of what e has done for them. I remember when Everton were good and then they became dreadful, very very dreadful; year after year they would only survive by the skin of their teeth, Moyes made them a solid team, has taken them to finals and competes way above his budget every seaso - they should be signing his name not calling him some of the stuff on there. When he leaves you do have to think Everton will drop back into mid-table if they are lucky the bottom half if they aren''t. Kenwright has been trying to attract investment for years but they have a limited stadium that sucks money out of the club, no realistic way to finance a new one and, as a result, no budget. They, like many clubs, are just scrapping by and yet he competes with clubs with wealthy backers and plentiful income streams.

I honestly wonder about people, does no one bother to look at what has happened to some of the other clubs that over performed when they changed managers - Charlton, Wigan, Blackburn, Newcastle, Liverpool (to some extent) and so on.
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Yeah but it''s not too dissimilar to the Wenger situation where a chunk of Arsenal''s support want rid of him. At the end of the day Everton fans want to be trying to win stuff, same as Arsenal fans. In reality neither team really look like doing that for years to come so how long do you allow the club to stagnate without trying to freshen things up?

 

I''m not saying it''s the right thing to do as history usually shows the decline of teams after they make such decisions, but I''m sure we would have our own section of support that would feel that way if Norwich didn''t "win" anything over the next ten years. Some fans will just never be happy but Everton''s expectations at the moment are certainly a lot higher than our own.

 

Didn''t we have someone saying something verysimilar about Hughton and how he''s ruined all our players? I''m sure I remember someone posting some drivel like that not that long ago that his tactics have ruined Holt?

[Bethnal Yellow and Green 2,399]

[quote user="Sir Humphrey Appleby"]The comments are strange too, the hated they seem to have for Moyes is shocking especially in light of what e has done for them. I remember when Everton were good and then they became dreadful, very very dreadful; year after year they would only survive by the skin of their teeth, Moyes made them a solid team, has taken them to finals and competes way above his budget every seaso - they should be signing his name not calling him some of the stuff on there. When he leaves you do have to think Everton will drop back into mid-table if they are lucky the bottom half if they aren''t. Kenwright has been trying to attract investment for years but they have a limited stadium that sucks money out of the club, no realistic way to finance a new one and, as a result, no budget. They, like many clubs, are just scrapping by and yet he competes with clubs with wealthy backers and plentiful income streams.

I honestly wonder about people, does no one bother to look at what has happened to some of the other clubs that over performed when they changed managers - Charlton, Wigan, Blackburn, Newcastle, Liverpool (to some extent) and so on.
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True to some extent, but when you consider David Moyles is the 12th highest paid manager in the world you do have to wonder if Everton are getting value for money. There are managers out there getting a lot more out of squads with a lot less quality. (Laudrup)

 

Despite Everton''s ''lack of funds'' they have made some considerable transfers, and many of them have been horrible wastes of money (Bilyaletdinov for £9m sticks out), and the fact that Arteta had to take a pay cut to move to Arsenal shows there is cash avaliable. While it is true that there isn''t a huge amount of room for improval for Everton (they aren''t going to be a Champions'' League regular) they should be getting more consistent qualifications for Europe and at least a be challenging for the League Cup.

 

Personally I feel it is very rare for a manager to be able to maintain high standards at a club over a sustained period of time - Ferguson is pretty much the one exception in the top leagues around the world. With Moyles holding out for another, larger contract this summer, if I was an Everton fan I would happily say ''thanks for the good work, don''t let the door hit you on the way out.''

[Jack Barak 46]

You are absolutely right but the difference between Arsenal and Everton is reality behind the fans expectations - Arsenal have money and could significantly improve their squad if they want to, they are based in London so can attract players, they have consistently been in the Champions league. Where as Everton were very nearly relegated not too long ago, consistently post losses and cannot attract investment for love nor money - Kenwright would sell if anyone looked like they had some cash to spend - and an aging ground that just will not so in the long term but they cannot afford to upgrade. It just amazes me sometimes, people expect to win things without realsing that, by and large, it takes money that the vast majority o clubs just don''t have.Sometimes it is worth taking a risk and freshening it up but to find another manager that will over perform like Moyes has on such a consistent basis let alone one who will ''take them to the next step'' just seems improbable - everyone is looking for that manager and I think more times than not it doesn''t work out. Sometimes we as football fans just need to appreciate where we really are, like those calling for DS and MWJ to put their hand in their pocket and bankroll a spending spree or to give the club away, and yet these same people complain when a pie goes up by 50p to try and meet their ambitions.They will be sorry when he goes, Fellani(?) won''t stay around, Jagielka won''t stay around and what then - they cannot afford to invest all of the money they make off player purchases because they use it to keep the club going so who else will pay £2m for players and turn them into quality premiership players?I just think they are heading for trouble, which to be honest is good for us but they will regret the bile poored on DM because he makes the odd mistake - he gets more right than wrong.

[Jack Barak 46]

[quote user="Bethnal Yellow and Green"]

[quote user="Sir Humphrey Appleby"]The comments are strange too, the hated they seem to have for Moyes is shocking especially in light of what e has done for them. I remember when Everton were good and then they became dreadful, very very dreadful; year after year they would only survive by the skin of their teeth, Moyes made them a solid team, has taken them to finals and competes way above his budget every seaso - they should be signing his name not calling him some of the stuff on there. When he leaves you do have to think Everton will drop back into mid-table if they are lucky the bottom half if they aren''t. Kenwright has been trying to attract investment for years but they have a limited stadium that sucks money out of the club, no realistic way to finance a new one and, as a result, no budget. They, like many clubs, are just scrapping by and yet he competes with clubs with wealthy backers and plentiful income streams.I honestly wonder about people, does no one bother to look at what has happened to some of the other clubs that over performed when they changed managers - Charlton, Wigan, Blackburn, Newcastle, Liverpool (to some extent) and so on.[/quote]

True to some extent, but when you consider David Moyles is the 12th highest paid manager in the world you do have to wonder if Everton are getting value for money. There are managers out there getting a lot more out of squads with a lot less quality. (Laudrup)

 

Despite Everton''s ''lack of funds'' they have made some considerable transfers, and many of them have been horrible wastes of money (Bilyaletdinov for £9m sticks out), and the fact that Arteta had to take a pay cut to move to Arsenal shows there is cash avaliable. While it is true that there isn''t a huge amount of room for improval for Everton (they aren''t going to be a Champions'' League regular) they should be getting more consistent qualifications for Europe and at least a be challenging for the League Cup.

 

Personally I feel it is very rare for a manager to be able to maintain high standards at a club over a sustained period of time - Ferguson is pretty much the one exception in the top leagues around the world. With Moyles holding out for another, larger contract this summer, if I was an Everton fan I would happily say ''thanks for the good work, don''t let the door hit you on the way out.''

[/quote]I see the point but the fact they pay such crazy wages is a sign of what they have to do to attract people to go there and the fact Arteta accepted a pay cut to move to Arsenal shows the comparison doesn''t stand up.The question is who else could they get?

[Zak Van Burger 0]

Strange piece worth enduring for the slow-mo car crash that is played out on the rest of the post.

[star_manic 0]

[quote user="City1st"]

Some cracking early photos

 

 

[/quote]pity that in the first photo one player had obviously already been sent off. gave up reading that about halfway.