TIL 1010 4,737 Posted March 3, 2013 http://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/ipswich-town/efficiency_is_the_buzz_word_for_new_ipswich_town_managing_directors_1_1944625Whilst i have high admiration of the work carried out by David McNally we are to be debt free next season with hopefully a big pile of dosh at our disposal to move onwards and upwards has he now served his purpose at Carrow Road ? Is his job complete in so much as turning around our fortunes and pointing the ship in the right direction ? He earns around £1 million a year but can we justify this continued expense.It would appear that since the departure of Simon Clegg the Binners have given two directors a more hands on role to run the club on a day to day basis. Surely this could be done here as we have two shrewd successful businessmen in Alan Bokett and Michael Foulger.As i say Mr McNally has done a fantastic job but much like Lambert leaving there will be life at Norwich City after he is gone. We are now on a sound footing and saving a £1 million would enable it to be added to the player budget. I do however appreciate that Twitter would be the loser in all this if Mr McNally leaves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Jenkins 0 Posted March 3, 2013 You can give directors some specific responsibilities for looking at various areas of day to to running of the club but to think that this is a substitute for the leadership of strong and capable CEO is nieve. If the scummers stick to this model their demise will be even more rapid rapid than it is at the moment. I encourage them to continue but not for us! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crabbycanary 2 Posted March 3, 2013 I would be very careful what you wish for. I would want McNally at the helm for some time to come. Yes the ''other two'' are very competent and good at what they do, but McNally''s job, i would wager, is quite different to the others. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Not Nigel 0 Posted March 3, 2013 McNally was brought in after the board of directors admitted that none of them really understood football.£1m a year for somebody that understands football seems like good value to me. McNally is an essential ingredient in my opinion. Let''s be a bit more honest about Clegg and Ipswich though, he has gone because Ipswich are skint not because they are shrewd innovators with a unique theory on business hierarchy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crabbycanary 2 Posted March 3, 2013 [quote user="singupcarrowroad"]McNally was brought in after the board of directors admitted that none of them really understood football.£1m a year for somebody that understands football seems like good value to me. McNally is an essential ingredient in my opinion. Let''s be a bit more honest about Clegg and Ipswich though, he has gone because Ipswich are skint not because they are shrewd innovators with a unique theory on business hierarchy.[/quote] Ditto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted March 3, 2013 You are a very naughty man Mr Til, making fun of our impoverished neighbourshed but I did laugh at this bit - "“We have a glorious history that we cherish" Whereas Mr McCarthy was rather dismissive of the paupers endless bleats about such matters - “But nobody really talks about me at Man City or at Celtic when they beat Barcelona the other day. Nobody’s really bothered about that, nobody talks about me in Lyon when I played, nobody talks about me with the Republic of Ireland if they get to the World Cup quarter-finals again." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,140 Posted March 3, 2013 I am assuming the OP''s tongue was firmly in his cheek. Besides, there is currently nothing about the "Ipswich model" that I would wish us to follow. Nothing at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
......and Smith must score. 1,339 Posted March 3, 2013 [quote user="singupcarrowroad"]McNally was brought in after the board of directors admitted that none of them really understood football.£1m a year for somebody that understands football seems like good value to me. McNally is an essential ingredient in my opinion. .......[/quote]Agree totally. Leave well alone.£1m a year is a small price to pay for someone with MrMc''s savvy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lappinitup 629 Posted March 3, 2013 [quote user="TIL 1010"]Surely this could be done here as we have two shrewd successful businessmen in Alan Bokett and Michael Foulger.[/quote]Foulger and Bowkett always seem involved so why not give the job to Stephan Phillips and Stephen Fry? They never seem to do much! Failing that, what about the aforementioned Simon Clegg, his oft stated ambition was to be in the Premier League and he would be a much cheaper option... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted March 3, 2013 I lke their idea of providing more seats for their fans, currently two seats for every fan Not sure if that would be seen as efficient, but they have at least stuck with it by freeing up seats in the boardroom Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlyBlyBabes 0 Posted March 3, 2013 Good grief, I do believe the OP is serious...........[:O] And him a grammar scholar too, eh nutty! OTBC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dubai Mark 0 Posted March 4, 2013 Yes I too am sure the OP''s tongue is firmly in check, but its a good way to start a general discussion about what the alternatives are when the day does come when David McNally leaves the club.First of all, so much has gone wrong at Ipswich over recent years that for them any change was worth taking a risk on, but we are now so different to them that we cannot be compared, at least for now or the next year or so....we really have nothing to learn from them, other than how not to do it.When looking at Norwich City as a business and what the club apparently pay David McNally, then I am of the view that compared to other sized businesses in other sectors he is particularly well rewarded. BUT, he has undoubtedly done a great job, we are talking about a very different kind of business that offers big challenges to to the man at the top and he is a specialist in his field no doubt.....so worth every penny when you see what he has delivered along with the supporting cast at Carrow Road. I would also say that his job is not yet done at the club, its still very much a work in progress.So, for me, the model going forward is just the same as the way we are doing it now, that is with or without the impressive David McNally and I would expect that when the day comes when he does leave the club, the club seek out another football industry specialist like, hopefully better than him, quality doesnt come cheap though. This is not a job for anyone without real experience to take on, not if we are to continue the progress...OTBC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wizard 0 Posted March 4, 2013 [quote user="crabbycanary"]I would be very careful what you wish for. I would want McNally at the helm for some time to come. Yes the ''other two'' are very competent and good at what they do, but McNally''s job, i would wager, is quite different to the others.[/quote] This. [Y] The best costs money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,526 Posted March 4, 2013 [quote user="singupcarrowroad"]McNally was brought in after the board of directors admitted that none of them really understood football. [/quote] I take it you have a source for this claim? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
step 0 Posted March 4, 2013 Im gonna take this as a wind up thread !I for one hope he is here for some time to come. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YankeeCanary 0 Posted March 4, 2013 It''s amusing what can go hrough one''s mind when reading the thoughts of others. My immediate thought process was, "Oh, NCISA must be making a comeback." That can''t be right, can it? [;)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ABC (A Basingstoke Canary) 26 Posted March 4, 2013 When I read this, I thought what a great wind up - although a bit unfair on the "fretters" and "worriers". Then I read it again and thought - no, surely not, he can''t be serious can he, this is a wind up right? Then I read it again and feel that his tongue is nowhere near his cheek, let alone fairly well wedged in - but then the cheek & tongue friendship came back into play - especially when he mentions Alan Bokett (sic) and Michael Foulger having a more hands on role - I mean chairmen don''t really do anything do they, nor owners of successful businesses - so why not get these folk to weigh in and roll their sleeves up? But then I have this nagging feeling in the back of my mind that he is being serious!And, just on the off chance that he is serious, then let me try and put this to him in words no greater than one syllable: "The val-ue that David McNally brings to the club far out-weighs the cost of £1m per year" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted March 4, 2013 Nothing like a bit of incisive comment is there ABC ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crafty Canary 495 Posted March 4, 2013 Perhaps we could have Dooooooooooooooooomcaster back to bring his unique insights to bear again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie Borkins 1 Posted March 4, 2013 If that meant we''d have a shot on target, I would get Harold Shipman as physio. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ABC (A Basingstoke Canary) 26 Posted March 4, 2013 [quote user="City1st"]Nothing like a bit of incisive comment is there ABC ? [/quote] Absolutely - but then, given my uncertainty, I couldn''t really be decisive either [;)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drurys testamonials V 15 0 Posted March 4, 2013 [quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="singupcarrowroad"]McNally was brought in after the board of directors admitted that none of them really understood football. [/quote] I take it you have a source for this claim? [/quote] Isn''t Delia reported to have said it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,526 Posted March 4, 2013 [quote user="drurys testamonials V 15"][quote user="nutty nigel"] [quote user="singupcarrowroad"]McNally was brought in after the board of directors admitted that none of them really understood football. [/quote] I take it you have a source for this claim? [/quote] Isn''t Delia reported to have said it?[/quote] If I knew that I wouldn''t have asked. Did she? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Not Nigel 0 Posted March 4, 2013 Are you going to ask for a source every time I say something Nigel? What do you want exactly? A name and date? A web link? A voice recording?Delia said it, she said that before the appointment of McNally the board didn''t really have anybody with great football knowledge and experience.I''m not going to mess around trying to find references to it, not least because Archant don''t keep articles that long, much to my constant annoyance. I can''t remember when or where she said it, but she said it. I will write everything down in a moleskin notebook, just as soon as I get paid to do so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,526 Posted March 4, 2013 I''m interested because I didn''t remember her saying it. If you heard her say it then I''m not going to call you a liar am I? I''m just interested because the myths that fill this messageboard folklore often have no basis at all. Now, I don''t need a link, if you tell me when she said it I''ll find the link for myself. There you go. What could be faier than that[:^)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Not Nigel 0 Posted March 4, 2013 She definitely said this one. I doubt my quote was literal, but she made reference at some stage in 2009 or 2010 to their being a lack of football knowledge in the boardroom before McNally''s appointment. I read most of my Norwich related stuff in Archant publications, unfortunately they don''t appear to keep anything past 18 to 24 months, sometimes an even shorter time. That makes reference extremely difficult.I can''t even find reference to her revealing that she had consulted Martin O''Neill before appointing McNally, and I can clearly remember her saying that too. Unfortunately ''sources'' get confined to the dustbin when it comes to Norwich related stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,526 Posted March 4, 2013 Well.. I''ll let you know if I find it. Norwich City history is sparse on the internet. You''ll soon be as proficient as Bly[;)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted March 4, 2013 Unfortunately this is not the first time you have made quite an extraordinary claim then when questioned try to deflect attention away by engaging in some sub Monthy Python sketch type behaviour. Best to check your facts first as your previous claim was not so much unverifiable but untrue ie McNally supposed statement at the AGM. That inaccuracy was further compounded by your having virtually no knowledge of the cost, ownership or agreed returns on the hotel in question - and even admitting so, when having based an argument on those points. I don''t think there is anything wrong with being asked to provide a point of reference when you are making quite a contentious claim - there is something wrong about getting all ar sey with the person who is asking for that reference. I don''t believe you are putting stuff up maliciously, however I would suggest that out of curtesy to the rest of us and to retain credibility within the thread you check stuff first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Not Nigel 0 Posted March 4, 2013 Oh look out, here we go again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites