Credit to Ryan Shawcross

[a1canary 0]

Not a huge fan of his or anything but massive respect to the guy for barely complaining at all at being repeatedly assaulted by Felaini yesterday.

Yes he went down after being headbutted and looked to the ref to act, as you would. But when he didn''t, he got on with it, then got elbowed, punched and took a forearm in the face and still didn''t make anything of it. If it was me I think i''d have assaulted the ref myself by that point! We''re going to need a boxing ref for Felaini and Holt when Everton come down here!

[Tim Dawson 0]

I was thinking exactly the same thing about Shawcross, i hope the mop haired one gets a lengthy ban !!

[paul moy 235]

Fellaini was literally at the end of his tether so there were mitigating factors IMO, and I''m fed up with players being held and having shirts pulled and referees doing sod all about it. If referees acted, this annoying facet of football which in effect is cheating, would disappear and so would the vicious retaliation.  

[TIL 1010 5,246]

[quote user="paul moy"]Fellaini was literally at the end of his tether so there were mitigating factors IMO,   [/quote]

So why on MOTD did Moyes say he deserves everything that is coming his way in respect of disciplinary action ?

[The gut 0]

I too was impressed that Shawcross took it like a man but by the same token he got what he deserved. Whether it is commonplace or not he was cheating, he was all over Fellaini constantly who obviously had enough. He was wrong to take matters into his own hands, and let a lot of people down (including himself) but in some respects he did what every bloke should do when someone is fucking them off. Batter them.

[AJ 1,358]

It''s a three game ban for violent conduct.

He committed three separate offences so one would think it would be a 9 match ban

However, no doubt the FA will bottle it...

"Oh he apologised, what a nice lad, why punish him?"

Almost as bad as Sepp Blatters "It''s okay to be racist as long as you shake hands afterwards"

[E.L.F. 0]

Agreed about the holding and the shirt pulling but headbutting is nothing short of being a physical assault.  Concussions, fractured facial bones or eye injuries are never consequences of holding or shirt pulling.  Disgraceful and if an 8 match ban is handed out for racism, then it should be more for intentional physical assault. 

[Yobocop 1,444]

Nice to see someone play Stoke at their own game

[a1canary 0]

That is utterly ridiculous Paul. It''s nothing that Holt doesn''t deal with and shrug off every time he plays and he doesn''t resort to GBH.

As Til says, you didn''t see Moyes complaining. Felaini has clearly started to buy in to his own hype and can''t take it if things don''t go his way or if he comes up against someone who gives as good as he gets. Have you really watched Felaini''s game - he hands out more than he gets in the vast majority of games and gets away with it most of the time. This time he met a defender who wasn''t letting him bully him and he completely lost it. He deserves a long ban but it''s a shame for Everton because they''re a great club and one of the only top clubs left who haven''t sold their souls and i for one would love to see them in the top four.

[The gut 0]

Moyes comments are largely irrelevent. When will people realise that what any manager says is not always going to contain his completely true thoughts and feelings. The enforced (through FA fines) politically correct interviews are what are spoken. Moyes knew what had to be said and is probably more p1ssed off at how long he will lose him rather than that he was giving him a tw4tting.

Anyhew, his lengthy ban is gonna help the yellas climb above them soft toffees.

[a1canary 0]

Disagree. Managers very often defend their players if they feel they need defending, even if they''ve done wrong.

He could easily have said "Shawcross was all over him but what Felaini did was unacceptable and he will be punished" etc etc. You can bet your bottom dollar someone like Allardyce or Wenger would have taken that line.

[0ridgemanddMMyyyy0Falseen-USTrue 0]

Where was the ref when all this was going on. Three incidents by Fellani, Shawcross with both arms around Fellani denying him any movement and what did Halsey see nothing.  Three officials and they miss everything yes Fellani was wrong but strongly provoked by Shawcross but Halsey is way past his sell by date.

[paul moy 235]

[quote user="TIL 1010"]

[quote user="paul moy"]Fellaini was literally at the end of his tether so there were mitigating factors IMO,   [/quote]

So why on MOTD did Moyes say he deserves everything that is coming his way in respect of disciplinary action ?

[/quote]

.. perhaps because manager''s have accepted that shirt-pulling and holding is part of football. Also, Moyes knows that Fellaini will be punished so there''s no harm in owning up, especially as this may help to reduce any sanctions from the FA.

[The gut 0]

I agree and disagree with your disagree A1. Yes some might do their best to defend them but you will rarely hear, if at all, their true complete thoughts. I wouldn''t mind betting that the only thing that truly annoys Moyes is that he knew he would be caught and get a ban.

[a1canary 0]

Lol - well agree and disagree all you like, we can all agree and disagree, i agree....

Ahem, they are all different of course. Take someone like Mick McCarthy, and it was pretty clear you got a good picture of his genuine thoughts and opinions from his interviews. Take someone like Lambert and all you really knew about what he said was that it wasn''t what he was thinking or saying in the dressing room! Hughton similarly actually - he does a pretty deadpan straight bat interview which doesn''t tell us a great deal. I used to be concerned that his "we''re a small club who have to work harder than anyone else to get a result" line was potentially a bit of a downer on the team. But i think that line is a complete red herring and he clearly does a lot more to motivate and inject belief in to his players. So you''re right in that respect. I agree i mean...

[Xavi- Poor Mans Ian Crook 0]

I don''t really care how much holding Shawcross had been doing. No amount of holding gives Fellaini the right to act as he did. I think he should get a similar length ban to Joey Barton at the end of last season.

[The gut 0]

You''re right A1 with what you say, although I reckon even the likes of McCarthy still hold back. They wouldn''t manage for long if they didn''t use some form of control.

X- PMIC , now I do care what Shawcross was doing. When I played I used tactics to overcome the cheats rather than do what i would have liked to do to some. It was the risk of fines and bans that prevents a lot of players doing what they really want to do. The same applies to work, there are some that should be thumped but the sack would be a certainty and therefore not worth the action. I certainly would never totally blame someone who decided just to stuff the consequences and give some are sole what he deserves.

[Nuff Said 5,960]

[quote user="The gut"]I too was impressed that Shawcross took it like a man but by the same token he got what he deserved. Whether it is commonplace or not he was cheating, he was all over Fellaini constantly who obviously had enough. He was wrong to take matters into his own hands, and let a lot of people down (including himself) but in some respects he did what every bloke should do when someone is fucking them off. Batter them.[/quote]There must be a job for you at the Diplomatic Service. Not.

[The gut 0]

I''m only being hard on an Internet forum. I''m soft as sh1te in real life.

[shefcanary 2,950]

1. Shawcross deserves no praise for not reacting - he knows he was guilty of holding.  This doesn''t condone what Fellaini did, just that Shawcross should have received a talking too long before this incident.  It is getting time now for Ref''s to penalise this more.

 

2. Moyes, if he really wants to be whiter than white, should have withdrawn Fellaini immediately after the headbutt.  As Fellaini stayed on and committed two similar acts of foul play Moyes (being the only person who could have removed Fellaini from the field of play) is equally guilty of those latter acts.  I seem to remember managers in the dim and distance past subbing players who showed signs of losing it and were guilty of sending off offences in the past.  Moyes really should have acted.

 

3. If Everton now lose Fellaini for a number of weeks, then gives Norwich a real chance of top 4 finish at Everton''s expense.

 

[CDMullins 498]

[quote user="paul moy"]Fellaini was literally at the end of his tether so there were mitigating factors IMO, and I''m fed up with players being held and having shirts pulled and referees doing sod all about it. If referees acted, this annoying facet of football which in effect is cheating, would disappear and so would the vicious retaliation.  [/quote]Jesus Christ, Im glad your not a judge,

"I know a smashed him over the head with a bottle your honour, but he spilt a drink on me"

"On that evidence I find you......Not Guilty!"

I dont think having your shirt pulled counts as a mitigating factor for Headbutting, Elbowing and attempting to punch someone

Sunday league stuff that

[Tim Dawson 0]

Well CD mullins i may have disagreed with you in the past or your strange dislike of Wes but i have to say im in comlete agreement over your thoughts on Shawcross :)

[Bill 1,788]

maybe the fall out from this will bring this mattermore into the open

 

I''m sure most fans are mightily peed off with the grabbling that goes on at every corner, if stronger sanctions result then not before time

 

much as with the ''foul'' throwins that have now become common place, and are now being dealt with - the throwin where the ball is briefly held in front of the forehead before being pushed forward

 

as to the permed ponce the FA should chuck a five match )or more) ban at him - grappling and shirt pulling are foul play in football, headbutting someone and punching them in the face is assault, a criminal offence irrespective of where it takes place

 

 

[Yellow Wal 315]

Slowly but surely things are getting worse.

Fellaini is now likely to receive a lengthy ban for his headbutt and other indiscretions in the penalty area against Ryan Shawcross, and so he should.

But why did this happen? Look again at the incidents and it will be seen in every instance that Shawcross is blatantly holding Felaini, and it''s very easy to see.

Was he penalised for that? No!

Did Felaini flip? I think so, it''s called taking the law into your own hands when the laws are not being enforced.

We only saw what Felaini did to Shawcross in the second half on MOTD but I would be pretty sure that during the entire first half at all set pieces Shawcross was ''having a piece of'' Felaini.

Nobody can condone what Felaini did and his apology will get him nowhere.

But where was the apology from Shawcross for continually fouling him?

And where was the apology from the referee for continually ignoring it?

How far will this go before something is done?

When are the referees going to grow some balls?

[Yellow Wal 315]

Simply, on another point ....... how long was Duncan Ferguson''s prison sentence for his head but during a game?

[paul moy 235]

[quote user="Yellow Wall"]Slowly but surely things are getting worse. Fellaini is now likely to receive a lengthy ban for his headbutt and other indiscretions in the penalty area against Ryan Shawcross, and so he should. But why did this happen? Look again at the incidents and it will be seen in every instance that Shawcross is blatantly holding Felaini, and it''s very easy to see. Was he penalised for that? No! Did Felaini flip? I think so, it''s called taking the law into your own hands when the laws are not being enforced. We only saw what Felaini did to Shawcross in the second half on MOTD but I would be pretty sure that during the entire first half at all set pieces Shawcross was ''having a piece of'' Felaini. Nobody can condone what Felaini did and his apology will get him nowhere. But where was the apology from Shawcross for continually fouling him? And where was the apology from the referee for continually ignoring it? How far will this go before something is done? When are the referees going to grow some balls?[/quote]

Well said. When the laws are not upheld it provokes vigilante actions. I don''t condone what Fellaini did but any sensible judge would take into account mitigating factors. Shawcross should also get a retrospective ban IMO for persistent fouling of an opponent which resulted in retaliation, albeit less than Fellaini, and the ref and assistants should also be censured.  Then we should also have a directive from the FA for refs to be a lot more severe on cheating by holding or pulling.

[paul moy 235]

[quote user="Yellow Wall"]Simply, on another point ....... how long was Duncan Ferguson''s prison sentence for his head but during a game?[/quote]

You need to consider mitigating factors. As far as I''m aware in this instance there were none.

[CDMullins 498]

[quote user="paul moy"]

[quote user="Yellow Wall"]Simply, on another point ....... how long was Duncan Ferguson''s prison sentence for his head but during a game?[/quote]

You need to consider mitigating factors. As far as I''m aware in this instance there were none.

[/quote]

Really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FanasvLaW8k

The Raith player made an obvious attempt to block him and hold him off, he certainally deserved to be headbutted, just like Shawcross!

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="a1canary"]Yes he went down after being headbutted and looked to the ref to act, as you would. But when he didn''t, he got on with it, then got elbowed, punched and took a forearm in the face and still didn''t make anything of it. [/quote]Isn''t that just a Stoke City training session?

[Bws Cat 0]

I see chops has joined in with the virulent spread of the disease "LDC" and it''s many variants and strands.