SAF - acceptable reaction?

[ZLF 335]

I have just seen fergies reaction/intimidation of the match officials at their game yesterday.   Remonstarting on the pitch with the ref before the start of the second half and then at the lino as he stood on th ehalf way line.     

 

I cant see how this is in any way acceptable and think the way its not discussed in the papers, papered over on MOTD is appalling,  no wonder the players feel encouraged to harangue refs too.    Why was he not sent to the stands for that? 

[TheRock 192]

It''s the "Fergie fear factor". If the refs don''t behave, they don''t get their boot money at the end of the game. As much as Fergie is a good manager, he has a disgusting arrogance about him. No other manager would get away with it as you said.

[Yellow Wal 315]

Fully agree.

[0ridgemanddMMyyyy0Falseen-USTrue 0]

It is about time that the FA said that there should be no contact with any of the officials incluing the fourth official from the start of the game until after the final whistle. No manager is allowed to speak to the referee until thirty minutes after the game why are they allowed to berate them during the game. Just another incompetence on the part of those running the game.

[paul moy 235]

Newcastle were late coming out for the second half so hasn''t he a right to complain. [:D]

[Duncan Edwards 0]

Appalling reaction, appalling decision.

 

 

[crabbycanary 2]

Mike Dean has the opportunity to put that in his report, he has chosen not to.

[flying high up in the sky! 1]

Has he ever been sent to the stands?

[unique 466]

Mike Dean and the FA should now be charged with bringing the game into disrepute.

The decision by Dean not to mention shows just how scared these officials are of Manure. It was pathetic to watch him having to explain to Ferdinand, Giggs, et al as to why Evans'' og stood. The fact that the decision, on multiple replays, was proved to be a good one, also underlines the unnecessarily surly behaviour of Ferguson on the touchline.

The man is a bully, who has got his own way far too often. A fine and a ban to the stands is the least that should have happened. Maybe an eight point deduction just to really rattle his cage.......

[Webbo118 0]

[quote user="crabbycanary"]Mike Dean has the opportunity to put that in his report, he has chosen not to.[/quote]

 

And why do you think that is?

[First Wazzock 1,011]

[quote user="unique"]Mike Dean and the FA should now be charged with bringing the game into disrepute. The decision by Dean not to mention shows just how scared these officials are of Manure. It was pathetic to watch him having to explain to Ferdinand, Giggs, et al as to why Evans'' og stood. The fact that the decision, on multiple replays, was proved to be a good one, also underlines the unnecessarily surly behaviour of Ferguson on the touchline. The man is a bully, who has got his own way far too often. A fine and a ban to the stands is the least that should have happened. Maybe an eight point deduction just to really rattle his cage.......[/quote]

Spot On!

What about the ''Respect'' campaign?

The fact that Dean has chickened out of reporting the incident gives Ferguson the green light to do it every week, and no doubt he will until the FA grow a pair.

[Duncan Edwards 0]

Ferguson was enraged and went too far.

However, referees should be accountable for their actions too. It was a ridiculous decision and was the reason for the outburst. I think the ref, with the benefit of hindsight, probably didn''t include it in his match report as it was his crap decision that initiated the whole unsavoury episode.

Refs are more untouchable than any manager, Ferguson included.

[Jacko 0]

The offside rule needs to be changed immediately. It is far too ambiguous and hinges far too much on how the referee interprets the rule on any given day. Under the current rules you could present a decent argument for both disallowing that goal and for being allowed to stand. Which means obtaining any sort of consistency is impossible.

You can argue that Cisse is in an offside position. The cross is intended for him and Evans is aware of him when he attempts to make the clearance. Therefore he has to be interfering with play and is offside.

But you can also argue that Cisse whilst is offside he makes no attempt to play the ball. Jonny Evans would have attempted to clear the ball away regardless of Cisse being there or not. He isn''t just going to gamble on allowing the ball to travel across the face of goal when a striker could be running in behind him to score.

That surely can''t be right and how a referee is meant to process all this within a split second under immense pressure from a manager, 22 players and 70,000 spectators is anyone''s guess.

As for Ferguson. His behaviour just makes a complete mockery of this respect campaign that the FA is trying to engineer. It sends out the message that he can behave in an aggressive manner towards an official and nothing will be done because of his status within the game.

[ZLF 335]

fa have confirmed they with do fa about it...

[BroadstairsR 2,273]

Ferguson has never been known for acting with dignity. He is also a serial moaner about everything that goes against Man. U. big or small.

 

He should learn a lesson or two in this respect from a certain C. Hughton.

 

I agree that the offside rule is too open to interpretation from the officials. Too ambigious as Cambridge said.

 

The old rule was more cut and dried and therefore fairer. What''s interferring with play?

 

As Cloughie once said, "If he''s not interferring with play, what''s he doing on the pitch?"

 

 

[ZLF 335]

I agree that the offside law is unclear but there appears to be a unaninous view outside of old trafford that the goal was right to stand under the current guidelines - that ba made no attempt to play the ball and the phantom imagined pull on evans simply does not exist.    I agree the presence of ba meant that it affected evans but at teh mo thats not what the rules state.

 

 

However that remains irrelevant to Fergies outrageous intimidation;  thats two games running he has had a serious go a the ref without punishment;  FA rules (old trafford version) apply 

[ZLF 335]

Just seen that the FA have decided to contact mancini and redknapp over their comments about the ref while deciding no further action against SAF haranguing of the ref.   Laughable - as is SAFs hypocrite comment about Pardew.    Is that another disrepute charge that the fa will over look?

 

 

[ricardo 8,034]

[quote user="Cambridge Yellow"]The offside rule needs to be changed immediately. It is far too ambiguous and hinges far too much on how the referee interprets the rule on any given day. Under the current rules you could present a decent argument for both disallowing that goal and for being allowed to stand. Which means obtaining any sort of consistency is impossible.

You can argue that Cisse is in an offside position. The cross is intended for him and Evans is aware of him when he attempts to make the clearance. Therefore he has to be interfering with play and is offside.

But you can also argue that Cisse whilst is offside he makes no attempt to play the ball. Jonny Evans would have attempted to clear the ball away regardless of Cisse being there or not. He isn''t just going to gamble on allowing the ball to travel across the face of goal when a striker could be running in behind him to score.

That surely can''t be right and how a referee is meant to process all this within a split second under immense pressure from a manager, 22 players and 70,000 spectators is anyone''s guess.

As for Ferguson. His behaviour just makes a complete mockery of this respect campaign that the FA is trying to engineer. It sends out the message that he can behave in an aggressive manner towards an official and nothing will be done because of his status within the game.[/quote]

Yes, I have to agree with this, Cisse was wearing a Newcastle shirt and standing in the 6 yard box, if that''s not interfering with play then I don''t know what is. From the goalkeepers point of view it is impossible to argue that an opposition player in this position is not interfering with play. Had he been out on the wing then yes, I could understand the goal being given but he was in a position where the keeper had to take note of him so therefore must have been causing interference.I''m not quite of the Cloughie school where anyone on the pitch is considered as interfering with play but being right in front of goal cannot be considered as non interference.

[Mister Chops 7]

Brilliant SAF media interview..... I do think he is fantastic at this.

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Pardew was fined £20,000 and given a two-match touchline ban by the FA for

pushing fourth official Peter Kirkup

during Newcastle''s

2-1 win over Tottenham

on 18 August.

The Newcastle manager

immediately apologised,

talking of his shame at the "comical" incident, but Ferguson says

Pardew now has no right to criticise the behaviour of others.

"I wasn''t abusive of the referee - some managers push the linesman and make a joke of it," said the Scot.

"I''m not making a joke of it. I think [the goal]

should''ve been disallowed, I really do. [Pardew] shoves the referee and

makes a joke of it, and he''s got the cheek to criticise - it''s

unbelievable.

"He forgets the help I gave him by the way.

"The press have had a field day out of it. They have

addressed every possible avenue. The only one they have left out is

Barack Obama. He is too busy.

"That is unfortunate. I carry that because I am the

manager of the most famous club in the world. I am not like Newcastle, a

wee club in the north east."

[Norfolk Mustard 106]

[quote user="BroadstairsR"]

Ferguson has never been known for acting with dignity. He is also a serial moaner about everything that goes against Man. U. big or small.

 

He should learn a lesson or two in this respect from a certain C. Hughton.

 

I agree that the offside rule is too open to interpretation from the officials. Too ambigious as Cambridge said.

 

The old rule was more cut and dried and therefore fairer. What''s interferring with play?

 

As Cloughie once said, "If he''s not interferring with play, what''s he doing on the pitch?"

 

 

[/quote]

What a gem of a quote from Cloughie!

Keeping things simple is the best way...