Hughton here to stay

[Lambo 0]

@ Paul Moy

Have you actually ever read anything on Hughton''s Geordie sacking? There was outrage all across the country, disagreeing with the decision to sack him with a vast majority of Newcastle fans calling for the board to go. Have a read of this and the fans comments: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2010/12/hughton_sacking_shames_newcast.html

He got Brum to the play offs working under massive financial restrictions, being unable to sign anyone other than loanee''s and free agents whilst juggling Europa League football, if they hadn''t had that there form over the latter half of last season suggests they''d have gone up automatically as there form took a decidedly upword turn once they were eliminated from it it.

As for Hughton "not being in demand" of course he''s not, the ink''s barely dried on his 3 year deal with us as well as the only managerial vacancies going being in the Championship, oh well nothing like letting common sense get in the way of select Norwich fan''s ridiculous opinions is there?

 

[Phillip J Fry 0]

[quote user="Wiz"]FFS People, Hughton''s CV isn''t that good, he''s not the Messiah, he''s a ruddy liabilty screwing up our players and dismantling our team.[/quote]

And Holloway''s is? 

[Phillip J Fry 0]

[quote user="Gareth"][quote user="Wiz"]FFS People, Hughton''s CV isn''t that good, he''s not the Messiah, he''s a ruddy liabilty screwing up our players and dismantling our team.[/quote]

And Holloway''s is? 

[/quote]

Of course I''m referring to Holloway''s CV.

[flying high up in the sky! 1]

Thank fcuk for that. Why in the name off anything sane would we want coyle or holloway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hughton is fine and is not under pressure at all you crazies.

[fleckfan 0]

Clearly by not winning a game as yet, the terrible goal difference and the opinion of many fans, Hughton is definitely under pressure.

[paul moy 235]

[quote user="Lambo"]

@ Paul Moy

Have you actually ever read anything on Hughton''s Geordie sacking? There was outrage all across the country, disagreeing with the decision to sack him with a vast majority of Newcastle fans calling for the board to go. Have a read of this and the fans comments: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2010/12/hughton_sacking_shames_newcast.html

He got Brum to the play offs working under massive financial restrictions, being unable to sign anyone other than loanee''s and free agents whilst juggling Europa League football, if they hadn''t had that there form over the latter half of last season suggests they''d have gone up automatically as there form took a decidedly upword turn once they were eliminated from it it.

As for Hughton "not being in demand" of course he''s not, the ink''s barely dried on his 3 year deal with us as well as the only managerial vacancies going being in the Championship, oh well nothing like letting common sense get in the way of select Norwich fan''s ridiculous opinions is there?

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He was sacked when he was apparently doing ok, so yes, people were surprised and sorry for him, me included. However, Pardew has since proven with virtually the same squad and minus the 35 million pound man that he was underperforming, and only last week a Geordie fan was on here saying how Hughton''s football at Newcastle was uninspiring and that was the reason for his sacking.  I can''t disagree with that and unless that changes I want him out before we are relegated.

[paul moy 235]

[quote user="flying high up in the sky"]Thank fcuk for that. Why in the name off anything sane would we want coyle or holloway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hughton is fine and is not under pressure at all you crazies.[/quote]

I think this is part of the problem. Hughton feels that he''s not under pressure as he has been told he will not be sacked, come what may.

[hogesar 9,658]

The usual muppets (Paul, Wiz etc) are out in force.Contradicting one another and themselves, praying for Holloway (for some bizarre reason im yet to comprehend) to replace Hughton. Suddenly everything Hughton done well in his career is now `not that good` although the opposite was said when he was appointed.We haven''t had a great start - ironically if we''d have won the West Ham and QPR games there would be literally no talk of sacking Hughton. Obviously we didn''t win those games, but it shows how thin the line is.I know it''s hard, Wiz, to remember things nowadays. But your flippety-flop attitude to Hughton is identical to every other opinion you ever have. It isn''t an opinion because it changes within minutes. If you have Alzheimers then i apologise, otherwise you''re just being a dick.As for Paul, he runs on about a load of bollocks 95% of the time so what he says is fairly irrelevant - i haven''t read half of what he''s posted and neither does the majority of the forum.Nevermind ''eh.

[Lambo 0]

Newcastle were 11th when Hughton was sacked & Pardew actually finished a place lower than that in the end... they currently sit 10th so hardly a massive improvement. They flogged Andy Carroll (Hughton being the only manager to make him a good player) and then invested that money on Cabaye, Cisse, Santon & signed Ba on a free through Graham Carr''s scouting rather than Pardew spotting talent (hence his 8 year contract that was awarded before Pardew''s). It''s far easier to play pretty football with that personnel than Andy Carroll, Kevin Nolan, Joey Barton etc. 4 nailed on starters in their respective international sides aswell as a young Italian international who marked then world player of the year Cristiano Ronaldo out of a CL 1/4 final within his 1st 10 games at Inter vs Englands 4th/5th choice striker and two players who''ve a cap between them... come off it mate.

 

Newcastle''s recent sucess owes much to the foundations laid by Hughton. Krul, Colocinni, Taylor, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Gutierrez were all mainstays in Hughton''s side, again however how much of that is owed to Carr is also up for debate I grant you. So much has changed at Newcastle since Hughton''s departure that I don''t see how you can justify your commment Pardew is showing Hughton under-performed, what are you basing that on? He flogged a player Hughton coached into becoming the most expensive British footballer ever and has reaped the financial rewards to help bulk up the squad. Hardly makes him a better coach.

[paul moy 235]

[quote user="Lambo"]

Newcastle were 11th when Hughton was sacked & Pardew actually finished a place lower than that in the end... they currently sit 10th so hardly a massive improvement. [/quote]

 

Newcastle finished 5th last season, not 12th.   [:D]

Some people will say anything to defend Hughton''s 3 points out of a possible 21... (soon to be 3 out of 24....)...

[Phillip J Fry 0]

[quote user="paul moy"][quote user="Lambo"]

Newcastle were 11th when Hughton was sacked & Pardew actually finished a place lower than that in the end... they currently sit 10th so hardly a massive improvement. [/quote]

 

Newcastle finished 5th last season, not 12th.   [:D]

Some people will say anything to defend Hughton''s 3 points out of a possible 21... (soon to be 3 out of 24....)...

[/quote]

I think Lambo was referring to Pardew''s first half-a-season in charge (i.e. from December onwards after Hughton was dismissed) when Newcastle did finish 12th

[Lambo 0]

^^ Exactly

Not exactly arguing my points here Mr Moy? just taking a line and twisting it...

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="paul moy"][quote user="Lambo"]

The irony... posters want two managers to replace ours who''ve both been relegated from the division in the last 3 years to replace a manager who''s done well in every job he''s had up to this point.

I do despair with our fans at times.

[/quote]

Your assertions are debatable to say the least, and we have debated them. Just to remind you. Hughton got sacked in the Prem and failed to get Brum to the play-off final with dour football which goes against our principles, yet we paid for him to be released. Holloway got to the play-off final last season with exciting attacking football, has not been sacked since Hughton was sacked because he''s done better than Hughton on limited resources in recent years, and funnily enough is in demand by other clubs, whereas Hughton isn''t.    

[/quote]

 

Huzzah!

 

At least someone else realise''s this.............Huzzah!

[Bethnal Yellow and Green 1,557]

[quote user="paul moy"][quote user="Lambo"]

The irony... posters want two managers to replace ours who''ve both been relegated from the division in the last 3 years to replace a manager who''s done well in every job he''s had up to this point.

I do despair with our fans at times.

[/quote]

Your assertions are debatable to say the least, and we have debated them. Just to remind you. Hughton got sacked in the Prem and failed to get Brum to the play-off final with dour football which goes against our principles, yet we paid for him to be released. Holloway got to the play-off final last season with exciting attacking football, has not been sacked since Hughton was sacked because he''s done better than Hughton on limited resources in recent years, and funnily enough is in demand by other clubs, whereas Hughton isn''t.    

[/quote]

Didn''t Hughton get Birmingham to higher finish in the Championship whilst under a transfer embargo? Didn''t Blackpool actually spend a fairly significant amount of money for a Championship club last year? Didn''t the fact Holloway can''t organise a defence once again undermine a team with a squad better than 99% of other Championship clubs? Did Blackpool only manage one goal more than Birmingham last year?

 

Is Paul Moy talking from his backside again?

 

 

[TCCANARY 263]

[quote user="Wiz"][quote user="paul moy"][quote user="Lambo"]

The irony... posters want two managers to replace ours who''ve both been relegated from the division in the last 3 years to replace a manager who''s done well in every job he''s had up to this point.

I do despair with our fans at times.

[/quote]

Your assertions are debatable to say the least, and we have debated them. Just to remind you. Hughton got sacked in the Prem and failed to get Brum to the play-off final with dour football which goes against our principles, yet we paid for him to be released. Holloway got to the play-off final last season with exciting attacking football, has not been sacked since Hughton was sacked because he''s done better than Hughton on limited resources in recent years, and funnily enough is in demand by other clubs, whereas Hughton isn''t.    

[/quote]

 

Huzzah!

 

At least someone else realise''s this.............Huzzah!

[/quote]

You see Paul, this is how far you''ve fallen, Captain Flip Flop is agreeing with you.

 

[paul moy 235]

[quote user="Bethnal Yellow and Green"][quote user="paul moy"][quote user="Lambo"]

The irony... posters want two managers to replace ours who''ve both been relegated from the division in the last 3 years to replace a manager who''s done well in every job he''s had up to this point.

I do despair with our fans at times.

[/quote]

Your assertions are debatable to say the least, and we have debated them. Just to remind you. Hughton got sacked in the Prem and failed to get Brum to the play-off final with dour football which goes against our principles, yet we paid for him to be released. Holloway got to the play-off final last season with exciting attacking football, has not been sacked since Hughton was sacked because he''s done better than Hughton on limited resources in recent years, and funnily enough is in demand by other clubs, whereas Hughton isn''t.    

[/quote]

Didn''t Hughton get Birmingham to higher finish in the Championship whilst under a transfer embargo? Didn''t Blackpool actually spend a fairly significant amount of money for a Championship club last year? Didn''t the fact Holloway can''t organise a defence once again undermine a team with a squad better than 99% of other Championship clubs? Did Blackpool only manage one goal more than Birmingham last year?

 

Is Paul Moy talking from his backside again?

[/quote]

Nope, you''re bending the facts Bethnall to defend Hughton who only had an embargo after March 1st, which had little effect at all as he had already signed 11 players from the beginning of that season up to end of Feb. How many sides sign players after March ?  So it''s you talking out of your backside, not me.  [:S]

These are the signings that apparantly Hughton couldn''t make    [:D]  and dates signed: 

 

Date	Player	Club	Fee	Ref
1 July 2011	Chris Burke	(Cardiff City)	Free	[116]
1 July 2011	Marlon King	(Coventry City)	Free	[117]
1 July 2011	Morgaro Gomis	(Dundee United)	Free	[142]
1 July 2011	Adam Rooney	(Inverness Caledonian Thistle)	Free	[118]
7 July 2011	Steven Caldwell	(Wigan Athletic)	Free	[119]
2 August 2011	Jonathan Spector	(West Ham United)	Free	[120]
31 August 2011	Jack Deaman	(Wrexham)	Free	[133]
31 August 2011	Wade Elliott	Burnley	Undisclosed	[134]
31 August 2011	Pablo Ibáñez	West Bromwich Albion	Undisclosed	[134]
29 February 2012	Cian Hughton	(Lincoln City)	Free	[139]
29 February 2012	Caleb Folan	(Colorado Rapids)	Free	[140]

[YankeeCanary 0]

All of us expressing opinions on whether Hughton is here for the longer term or not is all well and good, as long as we all understand we are expressing opinions that simply sail on the wind. Further, many of those opinions will change if we have one good result, even if the performance is not there.

 

What we are not discussing is those that pull the strings on whether Hughton and co. will stay for the longer term or not. For example, what does McNally think about when he goes home at night? What bonuses are built into his payout if Norwich stay in the Premiership? Let''s face it, there is a lot of money on the line and we don''t have all the facts. There is no doubt that Hughton needs more time, but does McNally think he needs a whole season to make a judgment? Personally, I doubt it. By the halfway point ( another dozen games ) Hughton and his team will need to have demonstrated some semblance of improvement over where we are. He will need to have had wins under his belt, tightened up the team defensively, improved our scoring etc. On all of those fronts we are currently substandard to what we achieved last season. If any one of us were McNally on his next performance appraisal meeting with Hughton we have to believe some clear targets are being set for the shorter term. It''s certianly not going to be "Don''t worry Chris. Let''s see how things pan out this season."    

[Syteanric 1]

[quote user="paul moy"]Holloway off to Blackburn and Coyle back to Burnley according to reports so it looks like come what may we will have Hughton for the season. [/quote]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEgh8TUlpQc&feature=fvwrel

[BigFish 1,986]

If you read this thread (largely driven by two prime trolls) it gives you all the information you nead to know about why Lambert left. Short termist ill-informed opinions eagerly expressed. Lambert had no way of knowing how his NCFC would start this season but he did know that a poor start would draw out this sort of nonsense and leave his reputation in tatters. Why wouldn''t he move on and buy another couple of years grace.

[paul moy 235]

[quote user="BigFish"]If you read this thread (largely driven by two prime trolls) it gives you all the information you nead to know about why Lambert left. Short termist ill-informed opinions eagerly expressed. Lambert had no way of knowing how his NCFC would start this season but he did know that a poor start would draw out this sort of nonsense and leave his reputation in tatters. Why wouldn''t he move on and buy another couple of years grace.[/quote]

Rubbish. With Lambert we knew he would always try to win a game and change things if we were struggling. For that reason he would never have got the criticism that Hughton is getting and would not be on a meagre 3 points. Every game is deja vu with Hughton and thus he must expect criticism. I still live in hope that he will change tack though and make luck rather than relying on it as we get more and more desperate for wins.  

[hogesar 9,658]

[quote user="Wiz"][quote user="paul moy"][quote user="Lambo"]

The irony... posters want two managers to replace ours who''ve both been relegated from the division in the last 3 years to replace a manager who''s done well in every job he''s had up to this point.

I do despair with our fans at times.

[/quote]

Your assertions are debatable to say the least, and we have debated them. Just to remind you. Hughton got sacked in the Prem and failed to get Brum to the play-off final with dour football which goes against our principles, yet we paid for him to be released. Holloway got to the play-off final last season with exciting attacking football, has not been sacked since Hughton was sacked because he''s done better than Hughton on limited resources in recent years, and funnily enough is in demand by other clubs, whereas Hughton isn''t.    

[/quote]

 

Huzzah!

 

At least someone else realise''s this.............Huzzah!

[/quote]Yeah, two posters suffering from short and long term memory loss, an incapability to stick to an opinion and `trolls` of the highest, but lamest, order. Congrats..or should i say Huzzah? [8-)]

[BigFish 1,986]

[quote user="paul moy"]

[quote user="BigFish"]If you read this thread (largely driven by two prime trolls) it gives you all the information you nead to know about why Lambert left. Short termist ill-informed opinions eagerly expressed. Lambert had no way of knowing how his NCFC would start this season but he did know that a poor start would draw out this sort of nonsense and leave his reputation in tatters. Why wouldn''t he move on and buy another couple of years grace.[/quote]

Rubbish.... he would never have got the criticism that Hughton is getting and would not be on a meagre 3 points. [/quote]

Lol, really? He wouldn''t have got this criticism, of course he would (and will at Villa unless he can turn them round). We wouldn''t have been on three points, maybe or maybe not - there is a limit to how far you can ride your luck and Lambert is bright enough to know that.

[PurpleCanary 5,557]

[quote user="YankeeCanary"]

 

What we are not discussing is those that pull the strings on whether Hughton and co. will stay for the longer term or not. For example, what does McNally think about when he goes home at night? What bonuses are built into his payout if Norwich stay in the Premiership? Let''s face it, there is a lot of money on the line and we don''t have all the facts. There is no doubt that Hughton needs more time, but does McNally think he needs a whole season to make a judgment? Personally, I doubt it. By the halfway point ( another dozen games ) Hughton and his team will need to have demonstrated some semblance of improvement over where we are. He will need to have had wins under his belt, tightened up the team defensively, improved our scoring etc. On all of those fronts we are currently substandard to what we achieved last season. If any one of us were McNally on his next performance appraisal meeting with Hughton we have to believe some clear targets are being set for the shorter term. It''s certianly not going to be "Don''t worry Chris. Let''s see how things pan out this season."    

[/quote]

 

That is an interesting point, Yankee. McNally''s total pay package, including any bonuses, came to £214,000 in 2010 (ie when we were getting promoted to the Championship). Last season it shot up to £871,000. It doesn''t take a genius to imagine most of that was a bonus for promotion to the Premier League. The next set of accounts, out shortly, will probably show a pretty sizeable bonus for us having stayed there.

That said, I am not suggesting McNally would allow that consideration to affect his view, and in any event McNally''s view (though important) would only be one of several.

For what it is worth I suspect a change would only be made if the directors were united on an available replacement, and sure of him being better. I have yet to see suggested such an obvious choice.

[paul moy 235]

[quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="YankeeCanary"]

 

What we are not discussing is those that pull the strings on whether Hughton and co. will stay for the longer term or not. For example, what does McNally think about when he goes home at night? What bonuses are built into his payout if Norwich stay in the Premiership? Let''s face it, there is a lot of money on the line and we don''t have all the facts. There is no doubt that Hughton needs more time, but does McNally think he needs a whole season to make a judgment? Personally, I doubt it. By the halfway point ( another dozen games ) Hughton and his team will need to have demonstrated some semblance of improvement over where we are. He will need to have had wins under his belt, tightened up the team defensively, improved our scoring etc. On all of those fronts we are currently substandard to what we achieved last season. If any one of us were McNally on his next performance appraisal meeting with Hughton we have to believe some clear targets are being set for the shorter term. It''s certianly not going to be "Don''t worry Chris. Let''s see how things pan out this season."    

[/quote]

 

That is an interesting point, Yankee. McNally''s total pay package, including any bonuses, came to £214,000 in 2010 (ie when we were getting promoted to the Championship). Last season it shot up to £871,000. It doesn''t take a genius to imagine most of that was a bonus for promotion to the Premier League. The next set of accounts, out shortly, will probably show a pretty sizeable bonus for us having stayed there.

That said, I am not suggesting McNally would allow that consideration to affect his view, and in any event McNally''s view (though important) would only be one of several.

For what it is worth I suspect a change would only be made if the directors were united on an available replacement, and sure of him being better. I have yet to see suggested such an obvious choice.

[/quote]

Perhaps McNally is now considering his bonus for promotion next season...  

[YankeeCanary 0]

[quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="YankeeCanary"]

 

What we are not discussing is those that pull the strings on whether Hughton and co. will stay for the longer term or not. For example, what does McNally think about when he goes home at night? What bonuses are built into his payout if Norwich stay in the Premiership? Let''s face it, there is a lot of money on the line and we don''t have all the facts. There is no doubt that Hughton needs more time, but does McNally think he needs a whole season to make a judgment? Personally, I doubt it. By the halfway point ( another dozen games ) Hughton and his team will need to have demonstrated some semblance of improvement over where we are. He will need to have had wins under his belt, tightened up the team defensively, improved our scoring etc. On all of those fronts we are currently substandard to what we achieved last season. If any one of us were McNally on his next performance appraisal meeting with Hughton we have to believe some clear targets are being set for the shorter term. It''s certianly not going to be "Don''t worry Chris. Let''s see how things pan out this season."    

[/quote]

 

That is an interesting point, Yankee. McNally''s total pay package, including any bonuses, came to £214,000 in 2010 (ie when we were getting promoted to the Championship). Last season it shot up to £871,000. It doesn''t take a genius to imagine most of that was a bonus for promotion to the Premier League. The next set of accounts, out shortly, will probably show a pretty sizeable bonus for us having stayed there.

That said, I am not suggesting McNally would allow that consideration to affect his view, and in any event McNally''s view (though important) would only be one of several.

For what it is worth I suspect a change would only be made if the directors were united on an available replacement, and sure of him being better. I have yet to see suggested such an obvious choice.

[/quote]

 

I agree with you, Purple, on all of your points. I wasn''t suggesting that McNally''s view would be the only important one, however, he is undoubtedly the key communicator with Hughton that other board members will be depending on to help them form their own views. With respect to alternate manager possibilities currently, again, I agree but, if we do reach a point where we struggle to improve, the thinking about "obvious alternatives" is not a fixed thing. Struggle through several games is one thing. If it continues for half the season the pressing need to make something happen may open the window to a number of individuals who might not have been considered possibilities earlier.

[Highland Canary 76]

I know it''s easy to read too much into public statements, such as those of Bowkett and McNally at the recent fans'' forum, but even if we''re bottom of the league by November I can''t see any circumstances that Hughton would be sacked. I suspect he will be given time in the championship to see if we can push for a playoff spot next season.

[nutty nigel 7,531]

Well the overiding theme from  both of them last week was the importance of staying in the premier league. What statements are you referring to Highland?

 

 

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="hogesar"][quote user="Wiz"][quote user="paul moy"][quote user="Lambo"]

The irony... posters want two managers to replace ours who''ve both been relegated from the division in the last 3 years to replace a manager who''s done well in every job he''s had up to this point.

I do despair with our fans at times.

[/quote]

Your assertions are debatable to say the least, and we have debated them. Just to remind you. Hughton got sacked in the Prem and failed to get Brum to the play-off final with dour football which goes against our principles, yet we paid for him to be released. Holloway got to the play-off final last season with exciting attacking football, has not been sacked since Hughton was sacked because he''s done better than Hughton on limited resources in recent years, and funnily enough is in demand by other clubs, whereas Hughton isn''t.    

[/quote]

 

Huzzah!

 

At least someone else realise''s this.............Huzzah!

[/quote]

Yeah, two posters suffering from short and long term memory loss, an incapability to stick to an opinion and `trolls` of the highest, but lamest, order. Congrats..or should i say Huzzah? [8-)]
[/quote]

 

Say what you like my friend and flip flop I may be, at times, but 3 points out of 21 says far more than I can.

[Highland Canary 76]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

Well the overiding theme from  both of them last week was the importance of staying in the premier league. What statements are you referring to Highland?

 

 

[/quote]

Simply that the board was unanimous in its decision that Hughton was the number one choice. Therefore, I can''t believe that even if we''re seriously struggling the board would believe that changing managers would ease our predicament. I''m inclined to this view as well.

[nutty nigel 7,531]

[quote user="Highland Canary"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

Well the overiding theme from  both of them last week was the importance of staying in the premier league. What statements are you referring to Highland?

 

 

[/quote] Simply that the board was unanimous in its decision that Hughton was the number one choice. Therefore, I can''t believe that even if we''re seriously struggling the board would believe that changing managers would ease our predicament. I''m inclined to this view as well.[/quote]

 

I know Lambertgate kind of derailed the show but the only thing they were both really passionate about and that they both stressed very forcibly that it was imperitive we stayed in the premier league for next season.