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[Mello Yello 2,500]

[quote user="City1st"]

perhaps he thinks I''m you

 

not to worry

 

there are many on here who are confused

 

some even believe we think they are City fans

 

[/quote]

KABOOSH!.........In like Flint.......

[Bws Cat 0]

"Some even believe we think they are city fans"

I think we made it pretty clear who we believe is a genuine fan or not have we not?

Or should I say I have made it pretty clear?

Another pathetic conspiracy.

[Mello Yello 2,500]

 

City Cat......bleated:

 

Some even believe we think they are city fans" I think we made it pretty clear who we believe is a genuine fan or not have we not? Or should I say I have made it pretty clear? Another pathetic conspiracy.

Miaow.....Pfft Pfft!

 

Your writing, spelling and word construction.....are so, so, similar.... 

 

 

 

 

[Monty13 2,684]

Since when has ticket demand been purely generated by PL football? we only got promoted last year. And McNally has been sticking extra seats anywhere they will fit since he got here.

Your completely ignoring two points:

Season tickets are already overpriced (Our''s are the 6th highest for cheapest ticket in the division) this is because the Board are squeezing as much money as people are prepared to pay while there is no way of providing extra seats. Our season tickets went up more than any other club who was in the division last year. By your own admission the club is balancing demand against cost, its charging as much as it possibly can while still filling seats, that is very sensible policy.

Secondly where do you go now to increase future revenue? Keep increasing prices further and more people wont renew, eventually you can''t charge anymore as you wont fill capacity. The only way to generate extra ticket revenue is to provide extra seats.

"try and grasp this - to generate enough season ticket sales to gaurantee a certainty of income the price would have to drop considerably (season ticket waiting list is not as high as some imagine), those price drops would have to be across the board, add in the fluctuation of casual ticket sales and you are looking at a neutral income level"

And I''m not failing to grasp your point, what proof are you possibly basing it on? Suggesting as fact that any increase in ticket sales will be totally neutralised by reductions across the ticket sales is completely unsubstantiated, and makes little economic sense in any retail market.

You have no idea how many people would come and fill carrow road, whether at the same prices or at slightly reduced rates, which would not as you say cause a neutral level income.

I''m not burying my head in the sand you are, the only way to make extra revenue from ticket sales is to increase capacity as if you keep increasing prices massively eventually people wont come. Its not about making people cough up more its about making more people cough up. No one has to come see Norwich, they make a choice to and they will only continue to while they can afford to, reading this forum there are many who have already decided prices are too much.

Thanks but i''m basing my "fantasy" on the comments made by the board which suggest that they are considering this as the only sustainable way ahead for the club.

[Bill 1,788]

Bluntly

 

The board as do the marketing people know there is not the demand for an extra 8000 toickets at current prices. Why do you think there are the caveats being expressed ?

 

"You have no idea how many people would come and fill carrow road, whether at the same prices or at slightly reduced rates"

 

How do you think they arrive at the figures to determine ticket prices ? Perhaps by consistent number crunching. By knowing that an increase at such a percent will see a decrease in renewal by such and such percent. Increases are ten balanced out against how many new season ticket holders will take up the loss.

 

 

"Secondly where do you go now to increase future revenue?" " Keep increasing prices further and more people wont renew" 

 

Yes. Fix the price so that you adjust the demand. That''s what''s been happening, hence the only way to increase demand much further (8000 seats) is to reduce it to a figure that makes the stand finacially unviable.

 

"making more people cough up"

 

Putting in extra seats when it costs more to install them (build stand) than they would generate is not going to increase revenue - it merely becomes a drain on funds from elsewhere.

 

You really need to re read your post as it is riddled with contradictions and misrepresentations. To clarify we are pretty much at maximum ticket sales given the price levels (ignore casuals at the moment, too variable). So to try and sell another 8000 would require price drop - that would then HAVE TO BE across the board, causing a drop in current revenue.

 

It is not something I welcome, I am merely teeling how it is. Gone are the days when you could build a stand, stick some fellas behind the turnstiles and that was about it. As it stands it is not finacially viable - and that is not my opnion or wish, that comes from ''cough'' the club. Maybe after a few more sreasons and the demand rises steadily and is consistent then I''m sure there will be another look - but when, even if we had absolutely NO COST in building the stand the money generated would be no more *at best) than finishing a couple or so places higher in the league you might forgive the club from addressing it''s immediate and profitable priorities.

 

And like a number of ''known'' others on this thread I do not sit in the Main Stand and have no wish to, bar the friendly against Ajax and that will do me for another decade or so. Also I wish there was a new stand there that accomodated another 6000 or so, but without any recognition of not onky the practicalities of that wish and the finacial implications it is not really a wish, but a delusional fantasy.

 

Not something I have too much time for, bar placing a 3-0 bet just before the game.

 

 

 

 

[William Darby 0]

[quote user="Monty13"]City1st I totally understand the laws of diminishing returns, however you are choosing to completely disregard one of the factors which is demand.

There is currently demand for extra tickets and no way to facilitate it, your scenario where the club makes no money would only apply if there was no demand for 1 extra ticket at current pricing. If there were 8000 extra seats all those on the season ticket waiting list could have a season ticket and those who wanted casuals and were unable to get them could have casual ticket tickets.

Yes there is a suggestion that at current pricing for some games there may not be the demand to fill the stadium. This would mean that for those games pricing of casuals would have to drop to fill the stadium. But at the minute category A+ A and B price for adult tickets (which nearly all PL games are) are 43-58 pounds for members.

Doing some very quick estimates, even if the tickets for casuals dropped from these prices significantly, lets say they averaged over the year 35 pounds (compared to 31 a game for a ST holder which remained the same) and that ncfc sold on average only 4000 (half of the extra tickets) that would mean that the club made an extra (35x4000x19 games) 2.66 million in casual sales a year purely on PL games.

I have been uber conservative with figures here both assuming we come nowhere near filling the stadium and that we drop casuals by nearly half and yet we would still make enough money to cover the loan amount per year that Mcnally was suggesting when he said it would take 9 years to pay off. Of course we would drop revenue while being built and wouldn''t have that new revenue till it was, that is the hard part. But in the LONG TERM the Stand isn''t a subsidy for supporters its a money spinner. The board are businessmen they no this, thats why they are considering it but it is not a short term win, its about the clubs future.

"The club has kept prices far lower than other comparative clubs in order to not so much fill the ground" really, well our cheapest season tickets are the 6th most expensive in the league and that covers by far the vast amount of ticketed seats in the ground. And its cheaper to go to casual game at Stoke, AV, Sunderland, Everton, West Brom and Wigan and almost exactly the same prices as casuals at old trafford. How exactly are we far lower? check the figures.[/quote]You know the problem with that?  If you drop the ticket prices for the new seats.  You''d have to do it for the other few 1000 casual seats.

[Bill 1,788]

"lets say they averaged over the year 35 pounds (compared to 31 a game for a ST holder which remained the same)"

 

Why on earth would anyone then buy a season ticket when the price differential is so minimal ?

 

An extra 4000 tickets on top of the 2000 already available  ?  When there were games last season we couldn''t even sell that 200o ?

 

If the new stand is to have 8000 seats then 4000 of them will already be taken by those from the Main Stand. Are none of these new seats going to be allocated to season ticket sales ?

 

 

 

 

 

[PurpleCanary 6,196]

[quote user="Monty13"]Since when has ticket demand been purely generated by PL football? we only got promoted last year. And McNally has been sticking extra seats anywhere they will fit since he got here. Your completely ignoring two points: Season tickets are already overpriced (Our''s are the 6th highest for cheapest ticket in the division) this is because the Board are squeezing as much money as people are prepared to pay while there is no way of providing extra seats. Our season tickets went up more than any other club who was in the division last year. By your own admission the club is balancing demand against cost, its charging as much as it possibly can while still filling seats, that is very sensible policy. Secondly where do you go now to increase future revenue? Keep increasing prices further and more people wont renew, eventually you can''t charge anymore as you wont fill capacity. The only way to generate extra ticket revenue is to provide extra seats. "try and grasp this - to generate enough season ticket sales to gaurantee a certainty of income the price would have to drop considerably (season ticket waiting list is not as high as some imagine), those price drops would have to be across the board, add in the fluctuation of casual ticket sales and you are looking at a neutral income level" And I''m not failing to grasp your point, what proof are you possibly basing it on? Suggesting as fact that any increase in ticket sales will be totally neutralised by reductions across the ticket sales is completely unsubstantiated, and makes little economic sense in any retail market. You have no idea how many people would come and fill carrow road, whether at the same prices or at slightly reduced rates, which would not as you say cause a neutral level income. I''m not burying my head in the sand you are, the only way to make extra revenue from ticket sales is to increase capacity as if you keep increasing prices massively eventually people wont come. Its not about making people cough up more its about making more people cough up. No one has to come see Norwich, they make a choice to and they will only continue to while they can afford to, reading this forum there are many who have already decided prices are too much.

Thanks but i''m basing my "fantasy" on the comments made by the board which suggest that they are considering this as the only sustainable way ahead for the club.[/quote]

 

Monty, you are understating this. It is there is black and white from Bowkett and McNally. This is their business plan for making the club economically viable in the Premier League. A stadium of 35,000 with those 8,000 extra seats being filled for pretty much every game. About which they have always been very bullish:

McNally: “If there is no major investor [the club had just announced there wasn''t one] we have to make the club self-sustainable and in the Premier League we would have to have 35,000."

As to the argument going on here about whether the club would raise prices, keep them level, or reduce them to attract in those extra 8,000 fans, only the club would know what its crunched numbers show. Impossible for outsiders, with all the variables, to do a precise calculation involing extra seats numbers versus prices.

But there is an obvious basic point. That if the point of having 8,000 extra seats is to increase revenue significantly (as the business plan must demand) then in very broad terms it is counter-productive to reduce prices, because the club simply won''t get the extra revenue.

[Bill 1,788]

There is a ''slight'' flaw in your plans, master purple

 

If the club is to add an extra 8000 seats it will have to be away from the Main Stand, and I suggest the Barclay and the River end.

 

I''m not to sure if it would make much sense building another tier on top of the South Stand (presuming it were possible) as it would then knock out the 8000 or so housed there. Where would they go, including the away fans ?

 

If it is to be as a replacement for the Main Stand then there is the two options. The 8000 stand (£20m) or the 8000 extra seats plus the replacing of the 4000 lost Main Stand seats (£30m ?).

 

The nonsense about sustainability was made before the recent announcement of the huge increase in TV money which dwarves the comparative pittance these extra seats would generate * - in fact most likely a loss for some while.

 

As to outsiders, information/data is collated before it is presented to the board.

 

 

 

* to put it into perspective we would have to increase Carrow Road capacity to around 80,000 to achieve that extra TV money  .................. and that assumes NO building costs whatsoever !

 

 

 

[No Swoop Done 0]

[quote user="City1st"]The ragbag of trolls and malecontents don''t nor of any coment they make, hence their hiding behind little used log in names.[/quote]

Troll troll troll - such comments are as bad as facebook users posting up "Photoshopped" to any posters. What comes clear, when you have someone disagree with your opinion, you just get nasty/shout down at people as wrong/misinformed. ONE game this season and you''re bleating on as it''s a down turn in home support. Absolutely stupid comment to make - summer holidays, first game of the season is always our lesser attended or have you a memory of a gold fish??

[No Swoop Done 0]

City1st, you never comment about this 20,000+ for 10+ years now and how our support was absolutely supperb during the Division 1 season. Why? Does this run against all your comments and doubts? The time to be worried is IF (not WHEN) season tickets no longer have a waiting list. This currently is NOT the case and from the past few seasons, I can''t see why you are so paranoid about a down turn in support.

Again, I said 1 (singular) season to rebuild a stand - not 2. Is that such a hard ship? Were you protesting when the South Stand got replaced? Do you sit there working out "Has that been paid for" or now just "accept it"? Were you thinking the same back then when the attendances were far weaker? Consider that in your arguments for/against. It''s only going to be better to expand with our fan base - if our fans were going to leg it, they would of done that when Gunn took us down. US fans didn''t - you''re the one who is casting doubts.

Yes, increase the prices marginally for a season to cover loses. The fans will still turn up. Whats the big deal? That stand needs replacing.

[Bill 1,788]

That''s an awful lot of questions, directed at someone you consider a troll. Why would you think my replies would be worth your time ?

 

"US fans didn''t"

 

Are these the same fans posting under a name only registered on here a few days ago .......... troll, eh ?

 

 

 

 

[PurpleCanary 6,196]

[quote user="City1st"]

There is a ''slight'' flaw in your plans, master purple

 

If the club is to add an extra 8000 seats it will have to be away from the Main Stand, and I suggest the Barclay and the River end.

 

I''m not to sure if it would make much sense building another tier on top of the South Stand (presuming it were possible) as it would then knock out the 8000 or so housed there. Where would they go, including the away fans ?

 

If it is to be as a replacement for the Main Stand then there is the two options. The 8000 stand (£20m) or the 8000 extra seats plus the replacing of the 4000 lost Main Stand seats (£30m ?).

 

The nonsense about sustainability was made before the recent announcement of the huge increase in TV money which dwarves the comparative pittance these extra seats would generate * - in fact most likely a loss for some while.

 

As to outsiders, information/data is collated before it is presented to the board.

 

 

 

* to put it into perspective we would have to increase Carrow Road capacity to around 80,000 to achieve that extra TV money  .................. and that assumes NO building costs whatsoever !

 

 

 

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The point about the new TV deal is to an extent valid, and I would have made it myself if I hadn''t been on my way out. That said, every analysis I have seen of the extra TV money says it will be swallowed up by the inflated demands of players/agents. It won''t represent pure profit  for clubs. As to the "nonsesne" about sustainability, that is Bowkett and McNally''s "nonsense". I am just repeating it here to inform fans about the thinking of our executive management.

[Bill 1,788]

As to what will be swallowed up I am sure our board is quite capable of saying no, as it has done on numerous occasions before. I don''t think that no will be based on where the money has come from either.

 

What it does do is demonstrate how much a PL club is dependant upon TV money now, and how much less significant gate money is becoming.

 

As said before, a couple or three places higher up the table and the prize money wipes away anything extra seating will generate - and again that assumes there is no cost incurred in builing those seats (something that only exists when you can get the ground built for a peppercorn rent and then sublet the changing rooms as carparking space for the use of students using the airport).

 

We are in far, far different times (better or not is another argument), but we can''t turn the clock back to the 1950''s or even the 1990''s.

 

The club needs to keep moving forward, not stay in the past.

 

 

[Monty13 2,684]

"As said before, a couple or three places higher up the table and the prize money wipes away anything extra seating will generate"

How do you achieve this without spending significantly on the squad? Your still spending to generate potential income, and then is this place increase guaranteed? Stoke have spent significantly every year since they entered the premier league. they finished 12th in their first year 11th the next then 13th and 14th. Did they have a good return on their investments? The odds are we wont finish 12th or better this year, in which case we would have not only not increased our revenue it would be down. Placing is an incredibly fickle source of revenue and much harder to predict than ticket sales.

You accuse me of constant contradiction yet you simultaneously ask me what about relegation while sighting the significance of TV revenue and finishing position in the PL.

As Purple says the board have in black and white stated their plan for sustainability is to increase capacity to 35,000. Whether they change their mind in light of new TV money, factor that into their expansion plans or abandon them altogether is something we will have to wait, probably till after this season ends, to find out.

You keep stating about moving forward but what your actually advocating is complete stagnation. The same set of fans paying to watch city every year at the most they are possibly prepared to pay while every penny is repeatedly funnelled into the playing squad in the hope of increased place finishes. Can you please give me an example of what PL club has used that as a successful model?

The club needs to grow to compete, it needs to generate a bigger fanbase and interest from its potential future followers to be a bigger PL club. That''s not my view, that is what the board members are talking about in that link you pointed us all to.

We don''t have a benefactor and with the increase in FFP rules having one is looking increasingly like the past. We are fast heading towards times very different from the past 15 years where crazed finances are being brought under control and there is the potential for a more level playing field than there has been in years. A bigger club will be in a better position to compete.

[Zak Van Burger 0]

[quote user="chicken"]

Swansea are reportedly going to spend £15million to expand their stadium by 12,000 seats to 32k.[/quote]

As confirmed in the press 12000 seats for £15000000 = £1250 per seat but the anti expansion propaganda states the minimum cost per seat to be double this amount.

Sack the usual bunch and get Welsh builders in!!

[kingsway 101]

Increasing the capacity of Carrow Road is a complete no brainer!

 

For the club to compete better in the top flight, fulfill its potential, meet the demand and overall not get left behind then increasing capacity has to be done when finances allow!

 

We could of averaged 30,000+ in the 2004/05 season according to the club so if the club do eventually take the big step and Carrow raod can once again hold such crowds it will be long over due.

 

The club knows how many people try to get tickets and therefore wouldn''t be considering such a move if they knew the demand wasn''t there!

 

At the end of this season we will be debt free and the Premiership TV deal goes through the roof next season. Aparently the team that comes bottom next season will get more TV money than what Champions Man City got last season. Never a better time for a club with an obvious need to increase capacity to do it!

 

Those who say it will effect the playing budget are not looking hard enough at it. Over the last 2 seasons we''ve paid much of our debt back yet has doing so had a detrimental effect on our playing budget? - NO!

 

Next season we''ll be be putting no money into paying back debts which with the hoped for increased Premiership money (dependant n whether we stay up!) means the club will be cash richer than ever before!

 

The last time we averaged under 20,000 was in 2003/04 when we were building the Jarold stand so capacity was down to 16,000.  Even then we averaged 18,000, 2000 more than the ground held for over half the season!

The last time we naturally averaged under 20,000 was in 2001/02 when we averaged 18,000. Since the Jarold stand was completed we have averaged 24,000+ ever since even doing so when we were in the 3rd Division in 2009/10. Since then we''ve increased capacity by 1300 which has enabled us to average 25,000+ in 2010/11 and 26,000+ last season!

 

These crowd figures over the last 11 years indicate that theres complete justification in making the ground bigger when finances allow!

 

Other clubs including many with lower ATT''s than us already have bigger grounds than us and others like Brighton and Swansea are going to take their grounds to over 30,000. We cannot afford to be left behind just cause many people are stuck in the "little ole Norwich" mindset. Thankgod McNasty ignores all the negative drivel that comes out of the many Norwich fans who make out we''re a little club!

 

An increased capacity would allow to compete better in the Premiership and undoubtedly get bigger crowds. Most of us were hooked on going to Norwich home games when taken for the 1st time as a child. At present going to home League games is pretty much a closed shop so many kids who could possibly be "bitten by the bug" as it were aren''t being allowed the opportunity. The cup game against Leicester last season which saw a near sell out saw the home ends full of fans who don''t normally go to home games. Many season ticket holders didn''t bother going and Leicester could of taken another 2000 which is why they caused such a fuss over their alloocation. The crowd that day was 26,600 so add on another 2000 away fans+ all the ST ticket holders who didn''t go then you''ve got an idea about the sort of crowds Norwich could get in the Premiership.

 

Theres many fans who won''t pay the over priced casual prices but would buy ST''s cause they work out cheaper. Most ST holders wouldn''t pay casual prices regularly cause they couldn''t afford to. At the moment the club can get away with extortionate casual prices cause the demand well exceeds the supply. The club know this and aren''t stupid enough to think otherwise. This is proved by the low ticket prices for the League cup games this season!

 

As for where in the stadium the capacity increases will happen no one knows for sure. Yes the obvious stand that requires extra capacity is the City stand but the club has said that the best way to increase the capacity of this stand would be knock it down and build a new version which would require the overall capacity to be reduced for most of a season. From where I''m sitting the best way forward to increase capacity at our ground would be to put a 2nd tier on the Jarold stand cause this would mean that overall capacity wouldn''t be reduced during the works.

 

Its likely any new build would include non football income streams like office space and corporate facilties so all the scare stories of lost income and the stand not paying for itself haven''t considered this!

 

If we had 1000''s of empty seats at home League games then I''d be totally against making Carrow Road bigger but this is certainly not the case!

 

The worst case scanario if we do add 4-8000 to capacity is we get relegated. The club will still have the extra capacity which will come into use when the team start challenging for promotion or get back up. I''m sure the club won''t take massive unrealistic loans to pay for a new build. If money has to be lent to pay for the stand I''m sure it will be based  on the worst case scanarion of the club paying them back with the parachute payments which will probably be increased with next season TV deal!

 

Like I''ve said, its a no brainer, our ATT''s over the last 10 years indicate we could get bigger crowds if there was more space available, the current capacity is therefore a handicap that limits the clubs potential and when we can afford it then we have to do it! 

[Bill 1,788]

That is mumbo jumbo on stilts

 

To answer  - nothing is guaranteed. It is a degree of risk over return. Focusing on the league position returns far, far higher reward than trying to subsidise a new stand. We achieved 12th last season without "spending significantly on the squad".  Ironically if you take your argument then NOT spending would lead to a lower league position ... relegation, maybe.

 

There is very little ''prediction'' in ticket sales. They return very, very close to what is expected - due mainly to the price structure. At the present ticket cost there is very little demand above what there is now - beyond casual tickets for the top six clubs. Perhaps you can finally guess what would be required to stimulate that demand.

 

There is no contradiction between comparing the relative benefits of two proposals (new stand or not) and considering the impact relegation will have on those proposals.

 

You appear to confuse the size of a club with the attendance. Neither TV money nor prize money share that confusion. You also talk of stagnation due to the club not building a new stand. However our gates have been realitively stable for the past few seasons. Would you call those past few seasons stagnation ?

 

Your argument about a growing fanbase is also absurd. What determines a fanbase ? Those that go to games only. Those ''fans'' can shrink as quickly as they grow, as supporters with a greater memory/experience will tell you.

 

Finally, and quite telling - "and interest from its potential future followers to be a bigger PL club"

 

Is there some equation between the supposed size of our club and the number of potential future followers ........

 

.. as I think there is also a name for that activity

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bill 1,788]

"An increased capacity would allow to compete better in the Premiership and undoubtedly get bigger crowds"

 

oh dear

 

so very s l o w l y

 

we earned around £7m in ticket sales in 10/11

 

adding an extra 8000 seats will increase the capacity by another 20%, so will increase the revenue by 20% ie £1.75m - which will not even cover the interest on the loan ! ! !

 

plus - income will now now higher so the £1.75m should be higher

 

downside - it will require maximum attendance at every game

                - we do know the demand for tickets and it is far, far lower than folk think

                - the waiting list is also lower than folk think

 

You need to recognise football has moved on. Around 86% of the clubs turnover comes fron non ticket sales

 

You are living in the past

 

 

[The Gingerking 5]

9 pages of complete speculation and I read it.

 

I used to say I had no regrets in life.........

 

 

In for a penny though.....here''s some thoughts from me:

A plan to expand the stadium will undoubtedly be released in April next year should PL status for next season be confirmed.

 

Talking about the margin gained/lost from each new seat is pointless until expansion cost is known. I personally pray we stay up and it happens as I would love the opportunity in the future to buy my son''s and I casual tickets on a fairly regular basis (Not been easy at all to get tickets for 3 plus years now).

 

When we can pay off a 23m debt in 2 years, god knows why apparently it takes 9 years to pay off another 20m?

 

Some folk on here thrive on a a few loose PR statements made by the board at a different time (though appreciated they were the last statement on the subject) Business is fluid, they will expand the stadium and grow the club as the casual support is there and if we end up in the bottom 3, they probably won''t. You can''t keep referencing the last we heard from the men in the long trousers every time this subject is raised. Their thoughts today may be exactly the same or completely different.

 

I agree with the sentiments above. Let''s just calm down and see what happens.

[The Gingerking 5]

Your unbridled passion for this thread, City 1st tells me one of two things:

 

1, You sit in the main stand and find the idea of displacement quite disturbing (wrecking ball ominously looming).

 

2,  You like to be right.

 

Is it 1, 2 or both?

[kingsway 101]

You must live in an alternative universe, City 1st where Norwich are only getting 15,000 crowds and your "little ole Norwich" beliefs are reality!

 

We''ll see what happens in the future but I''m fairly certain my version of events are much nearer to the truth than your "we''re small club" dribble! 

[The Gingerking 5]

I''m suprised he''s not marching around the ground with a noticeboard prothesying the ''end is nigh''. Like some weird dream, we''ll suddenly wake up tomorrow in 1996 with only 16000 fans bothering to make the trip. Getting a casual ticket for a league game has been difficult for almost the whole of the 21st century. The club and it''s support has moved on massively. Build the seats and they will come. 

[Monty13 2,684]

Two things:

The 10/11 ticket revenue figure is therefore championship revenue, there has been two big increases in ticket price since then.

An extra 8000 seats is an extra 30% of current capacity so your figures are wrong.

More importantly once again whatever percentage of total revenue tickets count for the club should be doing everything to maximise all it''s revenue streams, not relying 100% on tv money. Ticket sales also effect sales of refreshments, programmes, shirts and memorabilia.

[Crabby 0]

[quote user="City1st"]

As to what will be swallowed up I am sure our board is quite capable of saying no, as it has done on numerous occasions before. I don''t think that no will be based on where the money has come from either.

 

What it does do is demonstrate how much a PL club is dependant upon TV money now, and how much less significant gate money is becoming.

 

As said before, a couple or three places higher up the table and the prize money wipes away anything extra seating will generate - and again that assumes there is no cost incurred in builing those seats (something that only exists when you can get the ground built for a peppercorn rent and then sublet the changing rooms as carparking space for the use of students using the airport).

 

We are in far, far different times (better or not is another argument), but we can''t turn the clock back to the 1950''s or even the 1990''s.

 

The club needs to keep moving forward, not stay in the past.

 

 

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[Crabby 0]

The waiting list for season tickets has been mentioned a few times on here as not being as great as some people think it is, does anyone actually know what it is now?  There was a point made earlier about having a diverse stream of incomes, I think that is right and any Board would not be doing it`s job properly IMO if it relied to heavily on one stream, ie potential increase in TV money if we stay up. That is clearly a huge factor but none of us know if that is guaranteed over 4 or 5 years, there has to be a risk however small that something will change there. Extra seats will bring in more income provided there are bums on them and we dont have to sell them cheap and lower the price of other tickets, there will be more costs as well such as stewarding and maintenance, it all boils down to demand and the likelyhood that we can sell another six or eight thousand season tickets, the waiting list will give us an idea of that.

[yoda 0]

I wished i''d never asked the question ! My thoughts are that spending a large sum of money on a new stand shouldn''t be about what''s it''s going to cost the club rather than what it can do to keep the fans on the waiting list and casuals happy.At the moment we have people who simply can''t get a ticket,and these people would also be spending money in the club shop etc,and bringing in another generation of supporters who would otherwise look for something else other than football.If we could build the jarrold stand when we hadn''t got a pot to piss in then i''m sure we can increase the capacity now when our debt is getting almost zero and we have huge monies coming in from sky no ?

[SeniorCanary 0]

City1st......why are you so against increasing capacity? Why, when someone posts really valid points do you resort to insults?

We can all resort to your level....i have a few insults i could use about most of your posts on here....

They will build it....and when they do have 30000+ crowds i will remind you every chance i get.......

[BroadstairsR 2,272]

Recounting dreams from the Kent coast:

(A) Alcohol Induced:-

(1) Norwich City Football Club survive this season in the Premiership.

(2) Plans are set afoot, in accordance with the UEA Feasability Study to replace the Main Stand.

(3) Aviva agrees to sponsor most of the the build, with the proviso that Carrow Road becomes the Aviva Stadium.

(3) A Far Eastern Company gives assurances that this construction could be achieved during the Summer break, with the fixture list being manipulated so that our first home game next season is away.

(4) The Club signs a record £10m+ striker to ensure that the extra seats are in demand.

(5) The illustrious Canaries become an established Premiership outfit. A cup follows and we aspire to European competition.

 

(B) Realism Induced:-

(1) NCFC fail to hold onto Premiership status by one point.

(2) The above plans are shelved pending future developments.

(3) Enforced by Parachute Money, we become a yo-yo and get re-promoted..

(4) The alcohol imbibed by celebrating this achievement leads to plans 1-5 of the above (A) being resurrected.

 

(C) After A Bad Day:-

(1) We get relegated and slip into Championship mediocrity just like our closet rivals at the ''Loo.''

(2) In your dreams!! 

 

These International breaks induce sleep after all.

[Steady On... 0]

"Realism" = negativity