Worthy has blown it!.

[First Wizard 0]

My total support is one thing, but after Worthy''s errors this season, I can no longer give it to him!.

Now I always liked him, but I love City more than him. Yes, he did well to get us here, and he''s been unlucky with injuries to key players, but his tactics/subsitutions at times has been woeful.

Why did he buy Helveg & Safri only to keep them on the bench?.

Why is Leon not an automatic first choice?.

Why does he persist with Holt, and young Shackell can''t get a kick?. Yes, I know he plays in a different position, but you get my point.

And why did he bring in Dopeity?.

If next season (Lets face it we''re as good as down now) after 10 games things haven''t improved, then he''s got to go!.

I''m tired of his usual post match comments, excuses and theories. They''re nearly as bad as his rallying calls.

You''ve blown it Nigel, face it. Move on before you''re moved on by the club mate!.

[LinkNR9 0]

That''s really what we would need, a change of manager and a return to instability at the Club - good idea. Let''s return to the heady days of the Hamilton and Megson eras.  

If Worthy was to be sacked, it would be after we''d done poorly in our first 15 to 20 games next season and only after he''d lost the dressing room and the plot. This would not be too late, as Dowie proved last season. However, I don''t think that this will happen.

If he does get us back up again, the Board then has to make the tough decision. Do they give him a hatful of money, so that he can buy us survival but risk the future of the Club, or do they appoint someone who has the skills, experience and know-how to keep us up useing limited resouces? Managers like that are rarer than rocking horse poo. 

If supporters had been told, when Worthy took over, that he would take us back up to the Premiership and, despite relegation, we would have a team and manager capable of coming straight back up again and a Club with a secure future, they would have been well chuffed.

I suppose we''ve been spoilt and we''ve taken a lot for granted...    

[At last? 0]

I disagree.

[Tacklebury 0]

Why is Leon not an automatic first choice? Because up til about 5 games ago, he''d scored once all season. Also, it''s always a bit of a lottery when it comes to him controlling a ball - with the ball at Leon''s feet, it could go anywhere. On current form he deserves his place, and is rightly being selected. But earlier in the season he was woeful.

Let''s be fair, I''m a fan of Helveg but he didn''t settle straight away, did he? Worthy gave him some time to adapt, and before he got injured he was playing a looking like the class act we know he is.

I agree that there have been some poor signings and some poor decisions this season. But the improvement this club has made since Worthy took over is absolutely immense and I think a few people on here forget this.

Let''s be serious for a moment - who genuinely thought we''d survive this year? I was hopeful, but always thought it would be a struggle, and that we would probably go back down. Given the pittance Worthy was given to spend last summer, I don''t think we can lay the blame squarely at Worthy''s feet. Perhaps a better sense of perspective is required.

[nobbyg 0]

Worthy hasn''t blown it all.

We all agree we have a stronger squad than last year and we have smashed our transfer record.

 

Not his fault that this league is really hard.

Not his fault Mark Noble of West Ham put Bentley out for three months.

Not his fault that all the international players he has bought haven''t performed (include all of Doherty, Helveg, Jonson and Safri).

Not his fault that Holty nearly died.

Not his fault that Leon broke Damo''s cheekbone.

Not his fault that we can''t afford £24m for one player.

Not his fault Svensson has dodgy knees.

Not his fault Greeno won''t catch crosses (Worthy himself told me last week that he wants Green to come and get everything)

 

A lot of us said last season was that the plan was to go up, enjoy it, probably come down, strengthen the whole club and then try again.

This season has been worth it for Ashton, all the full houses, all the live games, the 4 all draw, the West Brom win, Leon''s goal against Chelsea, etc, etc.

[First Wizard 0]

[quote]Why is Leon not an automatic first choice? Because up til about 5 games ago, he''d scored once all season. Also, it''s always a bit of a lottery when it comes to him controlling a ball - with the ball a...[/quote]

Joking aside Tacklebury, no, I never really thought we would stay up, but its the manner we''re losing and letting goals in, plus throwing away points when we had the game almost won that makes me question the manager.

Holt and Flem aren''t up to this league, Worthy dumps Malky and Iwan, but retains them, madness!.

The Doc was already a laughing stock at Spurs, yet Worthy signs him!. Oh, I see he''s out favour with Nigel now!.

The manager reacts slowly to other teams who change tactics.

He holds personal grudges against certain players IMO, all to the detriment of the club.

Link: Read my post mate. I said give him 10 games next year, not now like WBA!!. 10 games is the accepted benchmark to gauge a teams performance.

Personally, I''d have him out at start of the season!.

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1st Wiz, I usually find myself agreeing with your views and think some of your points are accurate and well-constructed. However, this time i have to totally disagree with you. Changing manager is the last thing we need right now and it would unsettle the players and club as a whole. Yes worthy has made some mistakes this season as have the players, but they are still learning and don''t forget that worthy has never managed in the prem prior to this season, so its a totally new experience for him and about 3/4''s of the players at the club. I think he''s done terrific things for the club, taking us from the verge of relegation from the 1st Division to the premiership in just a few seasons is a great achievement, and most importantly has helped establish the club financially along with the board at a time when other clubs around us are crumbling and being destroyed after once being top clubs (do i need to mention who these are??)

Sacking worthy will be the worst possible move IMO and yes its looking likely that we''re going down, but i''m 100% confident that next season we''ll win automatic promotion again and will come back stronger to tackle the premiership, and hopefully establish ourselves, Charlton style.

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Oh, and one thing i forgot to mention was that Doherty is not the Donkey you seem to be making him out as. IMO he and Shackell will become a great partnership next season IF we don''t bring anyone else in during the summer.

[First Wizard 0]

[quote]Oh, and one thing i forgot to mention was that Doherty is not the Donkey you seem to be making him out as. IMO he and Shackell will become a great partnership next season IF we don''t bring anyone else...[/quote]

Francesco: I''ve always had great respect for your posts, so I''ll be gentle.

I really don''t know what you''re seeing in the Doc?. As I said he now seems out of favour with fickle Worthy. I think he''ll be gone in the summer, well I pray so.

I just wish I had your confidence of our swift return, I really do!. There''s still some decent teams down there you know.

I can see loads of posts like this one next season, calling for Worthy''s head.

No, I''m not looking into my crystal balls at the moment!.

Nobby: I''m speechless mate!.

[Helsinki canary 302]

I agree with those posters that demand continued stability in the management - Worthy should not be sacked at this juncture - after 10 straight games withiout a win next season then maybe? However I really think that Worthy should take a close look at his coaching team for next season and bring in some fresh ideas and characters - I think either Foley or Livermore are disposable - trouble is they are tied up to long term contracts with Worthy so it could be a problem - maybe a bit of a sidestep for one of them and a new coach in would be needed.

[Kidderminster Canary 0]

Are you mad or do you have a short memory, Nigel Worthington is the best manager since John Bond ! the last thing our team needs right now is posts like yours, WE CAN SURVIVE,27 points still to play for,all we need is a little luck which has been missing all season but even that seems to be changing, I for one didnt expect an easy ride this season and an sure that whatever league we are in next year we will do better.

For sure some mistakes have been made this season by management and players but overall Nigel has done a great job in the last 3 years and I see no reason to change him,but coaching and squad changes are needed but I am sure Nigel knows this.

 

If you want to support a team with an easy ride go support Chelsea or Arsenal. WE NEED LOYAL SUPORTERS

Now Ive got that off chest I look forward to 4 points from next 2 games and if WBA and Southampton fail to get any you will be looking at a totaly different situation

 

[nobbyg 0]

I wish you were.

You have your opinion and I have mine.

I happen to like the bloke. I accepted relegation after witnessing the defeats against West Ham and Villa.  Not being defeatist just a realist.  Much easier that than blindly clinging to some hope until April and then claiming I never saw it coming.

Last May whilst waving at a bus full of blokes showing off a trophy I probably didn''t expect to stayup - maybe grab a fourth from bottom but nothing more. 

Some people including me wanted the boys that got us up to be given a go and in the main they have.  We all said we didn''t want to buy loads of Finidi Georges and in the main we haven''t.

This league is a lot different than when Coventry, QPR, Swindon and Oldham graced it.  We earned our right to be in it and we have now "earnt" our right to go down because we simply arent better than three other teams over 38 games.

Next season I predict we will win the championship by a street and Deano will score 50.

[TwoSheds 0]

Didnt we have a very simular post to this one last week?

[We need a Manager 0]

Premiership survival this season should have been easier than any previous season with a new record low points needed . Every Division 1 Champions have survived for the last 5 seasons . So it has to be asked why we look as if we are totally out of our depth . Yes lack of quality is a big factor , as are injuries . But Worthington has been terrible all season (watch Fleming start at Bolton saturday ) and in my opinion is the main reason we are where we are. Stability is all well and good , but how many of you will still want this stability next season if we are in the bottom half of the table. Yes Worthy did get us up , but he has also taken us down again , in football you are as good as your last result or in Worthys case your last 29 . Truth is hes a below average manager who got promotion on the back of one good signing that of Huckerby and why people cannot see this amazes me.

[city_lad 0]

no doubt about it leon gives it his all, but his does run about like a headless chicken sometimes, he is not good enough for the premiership im afraid. Look at how far he has come over the past couple of years - Div 2 to the Prem it is a massive jump maybe it was all a bit too quick for him.

[First Wizard 0]

[quote]I wish you were. You have your opinion and I have mine. I happen to like the bloke. I accepted relegation after witnessing the defeats against West Ham and Villa. Not being defeatist just a realist...[/quote]

To be fair Nobby I also said I like Worthy, but he isn''t good enough I''m afraid.

Can you explain why Palace and WBA, were both miles behind us at the end last year, and are now both more motivated with better defences than ours?.

As for your emotional claim that Ashton (if he''s still here!) will hit 50 goals next season, we''ll, again I''m speechless!.

[First Wizard 0]

[quote]Are you mad or do you have a short memory, Nigel Worthington is the best manager since John Bond ! the last thing our team needs right now is posts like yours, WE CAN SURVIVE,27 points still to play f...[/quote]

Change the record Paul. If I had a pound for every time someone told me to go support a really big team for success, I''d be a very rich man.

Oh by the way mate, my first game at Carrow Road was in 1957, do the maths!.

Worthy''s the best manager since Bond?, where does that leave Walker, Stringer, Saunders, O''Neil and Co?.

Jeez, and they call me bonkers!. 

[kennyfoggo 0]

you said it wiz saved me the job...best manager.....

[First Wizard 0]

[quote]you said it wiz saved me the job...best manager.....[/quote]

Who would you have said was the best Kenny?, for me it was Mike Walker 1 & 2!.

And yes, I''d have him back tomorrow, a great man management bloke as well, just read Iwan''s views on him, say no more!.

[westoncanary. 0]

Walker was quality FIRST time around. I don''t think it''s ever the same when you come back to try again.  I personally think that O''Neill could have been an absolute legend for us but I can''t quite remember his reasons for leaving, was it due to selling the best players or something?

[First Wizard 0]

[quote]Walker was quality FIRST time around. I don''t think it''s ever the same when you come back to try again. I personally think that O''Neill could have been an absolute legend for us but I can''t quite rem...[/quote]

O''Neil always insisted that when he agreed to come here as manager, that Chase promised him extra cash for new players.

Whether that''s the case or not Weston, O''Neil threw his toys out of the pram and left when the alleged money didn''t appear!.

IMO, I thought, and still do, that had the board (Delia, Munby and Co) not stabbed Walker in the back, he could have been even better the second time around, the signs were there that he could.

Their ''dream team'' of Hamilton and Rioch, set us back years, do you still think they''re doing such a great job?, because I damn well don''t!.

Funny how thats never mentioned isn''t it?.

[Helsinki canary 302]

As said many times before Mike Walker inherited a team that had been well formed by Ken Brown and then Dave Stringer - Walker bought in new ideas, good motivation and some really nice football. From discussions with insiders in the club in his 2nd term he totally lost the respect of the players, discipline went out of the window and that was that - could be he had too many loose cannons in the squad 2nd time round. What followed was of course even worse.......

[First Wizard 0]

[quote]As said many times before Mike Walker inherited a team that had been well formed by Ken Brown and then Dave Stringer - Walker bought in new ideas, good motivation and some really nice football. From d...[/quote]

I''m sorry Helsinki, but from the chats I HAD with PLAYERS at that time, the complete opposite was said.

Unless they were damn good liars, they all rated him very highly, some still do..... and all at a time when his dear wife was dying!

over to you.

Bring him back is my motto.

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[quote]I''m sorry Helsinki, but from the chats I HAD with PLAYERS at that time, the complete opposite was said. Unless they were damn good liars, they all rated him very highly, some still do..... and all at...[/quote]

I never thought I''d hear a Norwich fan yet again pipe on about bringing back Mike Walker!

Please stop, the guy was good first time around and average second time but we can''t go back again.

[First Wizard 0]

[quote]I never thought I''d hear a Norwich fan yet again pipe on about bringing back Mike Walker! Please stop, the guy was good first time around and average second time but we can''t go back again.[/quote]

Why not WN?, we could do worse!.

[Campbell 0]

Bring back Mike Walker? This has to be a wind-up!

There''s a reason why he hasn''t had a club since he left us...Look what happened at Everton and here in his second spell.

If you want to bring back Mike Walker, then why not call Rule Fox, Jeremy Goss, Rob Newman, Robert Fleck, Efan Ekoku, John Polston, Spencer Prior, Erik Fuglestad, Victor Segura and Paul Dalglish to see if they want a contract too?

Stop living in the past!

Worthington is a good, YOUNG manager...Of course he''s not perfect, but he got us up into this division, and I''m sure he would again should we go down. It''s a learning process for everyone. It''s all very well saying "Mike Walker would keep us up" or "Martin O''Neill would have us in Europe by now" but we do not know that for a fact. I am very happy with Worthington; he''s done a fantastic job so far given the circumstances, and long may he continue to guide Norwich City Football Club to Premiership stability over the coming seasons. If that means taking a step back now to take 3 forward, then so be it.

It''s not the end of the world to get relegated and try to get promoted again...Ask Bolton and Charlton supporters.

[westoncanary. 0]

Thanks Wiz.

[First Wizard 0]

[quote]Bring back Mike Walker? This has to be a wind-up! There''s a reason why he hasn''t had a club since he left us...Look what happened at Everton and here in his second spell. If you want to bring back M...[/quote]

The same old reply and the same old flawed thinking from Campbell.

This is so simple even you should be able to understand it mate.

Whereas Walker could still be in management regardless of his age, the players you mentioned could not play because of their age.

It was silly of you to use that as part of your argument, without engaging your brain!.

[Campbell 0]

[quote]The same old reply and the same old flawed thinking from Campbell. This is so simple even you should be able to understand it mate. Whereas Walker could still be in management regardless of his age,...[/quote]

Ah dear, you missed the point...

The fact you want Mike Walker back is just as ludicrous as giving a new contract to the likes of Polston and Newman...that was my simple point, that you missed by a mile. Anyway, I think you''ll find a few of the players I did mention are still playing...just not to a high standard; so 1st Wizard, wrong again.

You say Mike Walker ''could'' be in management, and yes he could...but no sane director of a professional football club would put him in charge ever again.

If you''re going to say I used a ''flawed'' argument, then make sure you get the point next time.

[Flick Fleck 0]

Campbell: Are you the Yin to Wiz''s Yang, or was it the other way round? 

It seems these days that the old man can''t post anything without getting it in the neck from you...