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Reading accross the message boards it becomes obvious that the noise from the fanbase is not merely an OTT reaction to one bad result. The fact is that we were all hurt by the departure of the only manager in recent time to deliver consistently. When Lambert did the dirty- and his timing and manner of departure were dirty- it left the club sucker punched. Everyone had the same fear- can he be replaced? In comes Chris Hughton and the fears were shelved because his previous clubs and the pundits seem to have admired him and the board assured us he was the mustard. But respect is earned not given and, now the seasone starts, he needs to demonstrate why the club chose to invest a hefty £1 million in his services. Pre-season started and we were all on a high (if a little concerned by lack of new strikers and the loss of Ayala who we rate) The style of football then dismayed and puzzled us. Why not stick to our clear and OBVIOUS strengths and play attacking football? Why be so defensive? Doubt crept in and, whilst some had more doubt than others, we awaited the first game to see how things played out. After all pre-season says nothing...And then WHAM - an abysmal failure of a match and something we have not seen since before Lambert. Yes PL lost games (and occasionally by some margin) but not in that sort of gutless display. Suddenly the doubt grew and hence the immediate alarm bell soundings...Bottom line. People are not convinced that CH can be PL and those fears, already lurking, were confirmed beyond doubt. Put simply he got the formation, approach, tactics and press conference completely wrong. Now he must learn and quickly or all could descend into chaos. Were I to put an arm around his shoulders I would merely say, ''good teams do not become rubbish over night. Why not employ the approach and tactics that worked last year?''

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Some good points  there.   The difficulty is in the new manager following Lambert.    He has to be his own man - not just carry on the same as Lambert.   He was on a hiding to nothing really and unfortunately that first game has really confirmed alot of people''s fears. 

 

 

He has to stick with his ideals and way he wants us to play.   I am hoping that yesterday was a "rabbit in the headlights" moment (the like of which we haven''t seen sincethe 1-7).  Where Hughton has the advantage over Gunn is that this was his first competetive game.   but things have to improve pretty quickly or he won''t last long.    That 5-0 was too reminicent of the 1-7 for my liking,  a manager appearing to be out of his depth.......I hope he has the capacity to turn it around.   

 

 

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"A Manager appearing to be out of his depth"This one line sums it all up. He''s not done anything of note other than get a recently relegated team out of one of the poorest Championships in years. He''s a lovely guy, but what has he done that made him the perfect man for Norwich? We should have aimed higher

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..... being frightened of a team that are also a relegation-candidate and conveying this to players and fans and subsequently getting thrashed. What did we have to lose by attacking them ?  Alarm bells are certainly ringing and games against the top six will be ritual humiliation if we continue in this vein. All teams in the Prem can be beaten but you need the right attitude and to play to your strengths and also ride your luck. Playing to your weaknesses will reap what you sow and also kill our precious team-spirit which is the edge we had on other sides last season.

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[quote user="paul moy"]..... being frightened of a team that are also a relegation-candidate .[/quote]Fulham finished 9th last season.. to what effect do you base this assumption on?

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[quote user="Dean Coneys boots"]Reading accross the message boards it becomes obvious that the noise from the fanbase is not merely an OTT reaction to one bad result. The fact is that we were all hurt by the departure of the only manager in recent time to deliver consistently. When Lambert did the dirty- and his timing and manner of departure were dirty- it left the club sucker punched. Everyone had the same fear- can he be replaced? In comes Chris Hughton and the fears were shelved because his previous clubs and the pundits seem to have admired him and the board assured us he was the mustard. But respect is earned not given and, now the seasone starts, he needs to demonstrate why the club chose to invest a hefty £1 million in his services. Pre-season started and we were all on a high (if a little concerned by lack of new strikers and the loss of Ayala who we rate) The style of football then dismayed and puzzled us. Why not stick to our clear and OBVIOUS strengths and play attacking football? Why be so defensive? Doubt crept in and, whilst some had more doubt than others, we awaited the first game to see how things played out. After all pre-season says nothing...And then WHAM - an abysmal failure of a match and something we have not seen since before Lambert. Yes PL lost games (and occasionally by some margin) but not in that sort of gutless display. Suddenly the doubt grew and hence the immediate alarm bell soundings...Bottom line. People are not convinced that CH can be PL and those fears, already lurking, were confirmed beyond doubt. Put simply he got the formation, approach, tactics and press conference completely wrong. Now he must learn and quickly or all could descend into chaos. Were I to put an arm around his shoulders I would merely say, ''good teams do not become rubbish over night. Why not employ the approach and tactics that worked last year?'' [/quote]That''s pretty much spot on the way I see it.

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[quote user="jas the barclay king"][quote user="paul moy"]..... being frightened of a team that are also a relegation-candidate .[/quote]

Fulham finished 9th last season.. to what effect do you base this assumption on?
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Selling of Johnson, Zamora, Dempsey....... enough reasons methinks. Also, we finished 12th so does that mean we cannot be a relegation candidate !!!!

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[quote user="paul moy"]..... being frightened of a team that are also a relegation-candidate and conveying this to players and fans and subsequently getting thrashed. What did we have to lose by attacking them ?  Alarm bells are certainly ringing and games against the top six will be ritual humiliation if we continue in this vein. All teams in the Prem can be beaten but you need the right attitude and to play to your strengths and also ride your luck. Playing to your weaknesses will reap what you sow and also kill our precious team-spirit which is the edge we had on other sides last season.[/quote]

You really think Fulham are relegation candidates ? I have heard it all now this weekend

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[quote user="Cambridgeyellow"][quote user="paul moy"]..... being frightened of a team that are also a relegation-candidate and conveying this to players and fans and subsequently getting thrashed. What did we have to lose by attacking them ?  Alarm bells are certainly ringing and games against the top six will be ritual humiliation if we continue in this vein. All teams in the Prem can be beaten but you need the right attitude and to play to your strengths and also ride your luck. Playing to your weaknesses will reap what you sow and also kill our precious team-spirit which is the edge we had on other sides last season.[/quote] You really think Fulham are relegation candidates ? I have heard it all now this weekend[/quote]

Yes I do.  A spate of injuries, suspensions etc can do for any side. No team is immune from flirting with relegation except perhaps the usual top 8 or so.

 

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Back to the initial point- will CH manage to quell the fears or not? Who thinks this was an unfortunately timed blip and who thinks he is out of his depth? A good argument can be made either way:

1) look at how well he did at Brum/Toon.

2) He only had moderate success at teams who were above average in their respective division

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[quote user="Dean Coneys boots"]Back to the initial point- will CH manage to quell the fears or not? Who thinks this was an unfortunately timed blip and who thinks he is out of his depth? A good argument can be made either way: 1) look at how well he did at Brum/Toon. 2) He only had moderate success at teams who were above average in their respective division[/quote]

The Newcastle team would have been promoted by a monkey to be fair. A class apart. He''s not a Prem standard manager IMO and NUFC saw that after 16 games of the Prem.

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Its all very well saying that a new manager wants to play his style but look at Swansea, they have been reping the plaudits for several years due to their brand of football (despite the fact that we turned them over twice last season!) when their manager leaves in a similar fashion to Lambert they make a point of looking for a replacement that will continue to play the same way.....

 

Surely considering the success we have had anyone (cough McNally) can see that we have assembled a team over a number of years which is good at playing a certain system. From what I saw yesterday, Hughton''s system clearly was not it!

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"The Newcastle team would have been promoted by a monkey to be fair. A class apart. He''s not a Prem standard manager IMO and NUFC saw that after 16 games of the Prem."

This was my thinking today. Why did Newcastle sack him after he lead them to promotion and at the time 12th place in the league? Did they see that things were not right on the training ground with the tactics and preparation? They clearly saw something that wasn''t right.

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[quote user="JF"]"The Newcastle team would have been promoted by a monkey to be fair. A class apart. He''s not a Prem standard manager IMO and NUFC saw that after 16 games of the Prem." This was my thinking today. Why did Newcastle sack him after he lead them to promotion and at the time 12th place in the league? Did they see that things were not right on the training ground with the tactics and preparation? They clearly saw something that wasn''t right.[/quote]

... and their current success shows they made the correct decision, while we look as if we made the wrong decision.

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