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How refreshing to have someone on our staff whose political views extend beyond - "I vote Tory because it means I pay less tax". Chris Hughton''s leftist past is well known. I think his views may have ''mellowed'' over the years but can anybody think of any other NCFC related people who were known for views that were on the socialist side of the spectrum?

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Are you referring to the allusion to politics or the allusion to left wing politics? Either way your reaction is rather strong!

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Now there is a school of thought that says that everything is political. But, fair enough if people don''t want to share or read about their political views (indeed, I''m not inclined to share my own views on this sort of forum). But CH made his own views public some time ago and some people make it their business to do so, which is also fair enough and I was merely asking if anyone else of a leftist persuasion has done so.

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Well, I think it''s interesting and in the same way that football cannot be separated from money, politics is not entirely unrelated to the game.Whilst it is natural for the high earners of premier league to be biased towards centre-right/conservative (pay less tax) ideology, I was dissappointed when Grant Holt ''came out'' as a tory in twitter because it removed the thin vaneer of hope that our footballing hero might be ''one-of-us'' or even give a to$$ about the community that hold (or held) him in such high regard.I''m not sure whether or not you have to be a socialist to play on the left wing but maybe that explains why England have found it so hard to fill the position, and don''t get me started on ''strikers''! 

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Someones Political views have absolutely nothing to do with football and there is nothing more corrosive than to bring politics into an arena for football. Actually the same is true of Facebook and Twitter nothing switches me off people more than discussing or ranting about politics (of any colour)

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[quote user="dpit"]How refreshing to have someone on our staff whose political views extend beyond - "I vote Tory because it means I pay less tax". Chris Hughton''s leftist past is well known. I think his views may have ''mellowed'' over the years but can anybody think of any other NCFC related people who were known for views that were on the socialist side of the spectrum?[/quote]

 

Mick McGuire, part of the Bond era, went into trade unionism with the Professional Footballers'' Association, and ended up as deputy chief executive before being sacked. But I don''t know what his political views are - being involved in trade unionism doesn''t necessarily mean you''re left-wing.

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Be interesting if those far right fans we have take to him at all?

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That''s right, Purple (though ironically on this thread you''re coming out Red on my screen).

 

Someone told me the other month that McGuire had a real bust-up with John Bond while they were both at Norwich, and that he celebrated with a clenched fist to the dugout on the rare occasions he scored (I was obviously too young to appreciate the significance, if true). I wonder whether anyone can confirm the details of this juicy story?

 

Poor old Mick was axed by the PFA a couple of years ago after allegations of bullying, which I don''t suppose went down too well in trade union quarters.

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[quote user="Indy"]Politics and relegion, well left alone![/quote]

As are apostrophes for Mr Keelans Glove.

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Politcs is in every part of life regardless if you wish to bury your head in the sand, including football.

Have you ever moaned about the Sky and its effect on football? Political.

Have you ever expressed an opinion about the likes of Lee Hughes, playing football after being in jail? Political.

Have you ever discussed the merits of standing at football matches? Political.

 

Just because it isn''t necessarily defined as right or left wing, (which is an out of date concept anyway) or Conservative, Lib Dem or Labour doesn''t make something less political.

Politics is affects every part of our lives in some way and for anybody to try and avoid it, they are kidding themselves.

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I can remember saying to a top Tory in Norfolk that his business should sponsor a Norwich game but he didn''t want his company image associated with common people that watch football and he thought that players were scum.It is somewhat ironic that people such as Holt vote Tory, but those people think footballers and fans are common scum.

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Well Tom. You name that ''top Tory'' . If you''re going post rubbish, stand by it!

As for toffs, I assume you are a socialist, so look at the background of some in that movement

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[quote user="tom cavendish"]I can remember saying to a top Tory in Norfolk that his business should sponsor a Norwich game but he didn''t want his company image associated with common people that watch football and he thought that players were scum.

It is somewhat ironic that people such as Holt vote Tory, but those people think footballers and fans are common scum.
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. so based on one person''s stupid view you brand all others. Incredible and very sad.  

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[quote user="Bury Yellow"]

As for toffs, I assume you are a socialist, so look at the background of some in that movement[/quote]Rather than on strictly political grounds, perhaps it would be more appropriate to give weight to how football is/was regarded by different classes.Football used to be regarded as a working class sport, ''a game of the people''. Private schools tended to concentrate on teaching sports such as cricket, rugby, and tennis.The enormous problems with hooliganism only served to enforce their view that football fans were scum. There has also been much publicity given to players who have acted appallingly. Therefore it isn''t surprising that some older higher class people still have a negative view of football.

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[quote user="tom cavendish"][quote user="Bury Yellow"] As for toffs, I assume you are a socialist, so look at the background of some in that movement[/quote]

Rather than on strictly political grounds, perhaps it would be more appropriate to give weight to how football is/was regarded by different classes.

Football used to be regarded as a working class sport, ''a game of the people''.

Private schools tended to concentrate on teaching sports such as cricket, rugby, and tennis.

The enormous problems with hooliganism only served to enforce their view that football fans were scum. There has also been much publicity given to players who have acted appallingly. Therefore it isn''t surprising that some older higher class people still have a negative view of football.
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So nobody from lower classes thinks that football hooligans are scum ? You really are narrow-minded, Tom.  

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Stephen Fry, of course, fits somewhere within the socialist / liberal side of the spectrum. He has written about and debated on a range of issues, such as the role of religion, opposition to the Iraq war, etc. He has also actively supported the labour party, especially with regard to some of its social reform policies. And a whole lot more, besides.

Is there anyone else, of the NCFC persuasion, who has expressed political views, whether left, right or just plain middle-of-the-road liberal?

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[quote user="paul moy"]

[quote user="tom cavendish"][quote user="Bury Yellow"] As for toffs, I assume you are a socialist, so look at the background of some in that movement[/quote]Rather than on strictly political grounds, perhaps it would be more appropriate to give weight to how football is/was regarded by different classes.Football used to be regarded as a working class sport, ''a game of the people''. Private schools tended to concentrate on teaching sports such as cricket, rugby, and tennis.The enormous problems with hooliganism only served to enforce their view that football fans were scum. There has also been much publicity given to players who have acted appallingly. Therefore it isn''t surprising that some older higher class people still have a negative view of football.[/quote]

So nobody from lower classes thinks that football hooligans are scum ? You really are narrow-minded, Tom.  

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I didn''t say anything like that, you seem to have completely missed the point. Besides, I would hope that all people think that football hooliganism is unacceptable.

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[quote user="plengcharthai"]

Stephen Fry, of course, fits somewhere within the socialist / liberal side of the spectrum. He has written about and debated on a range of issues, such as the role of religion, opposition to the Iraq war, etc. He has also actively supported the labour party, especially with regard to some of its social reform policies. And a whole lot more, besides.

Is there anyone else, of the NCFC persuasion, who has expressed political views, whether left, right or just plain middle-of-the-road liberal?

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Well,as has been mentioned Ed Balls.But nobody knows,including himself,what political persuasion he is.

Ex Labour MP Charles Clarke is a regular.

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[quote user="tom cavendish"][quote user="Bury Yellow"] As for toffs, I assume you are a socialist, so look at the background of some in that movement[/quote]

Rather than on strictly political grounds, perhaps it would be more appropriate to give weight to how football is/was regarded by different classes.

Football used to be regarded as a working class sport, ''a game of the people''.

Private schools tended to concentrate on teaching sports such as cricket, rugby, and tennis.

The enormous problems with hooliganism only served to enforce their view that football fans were scum. There has also been much publicity given to players who have acted appallingly. Therefore it isn''t surprising that some older higher class people still have a negative view of football.
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Not really. The top English public schools played a vital role in the development of football in this country, and abroad, and still generally their winter game is football rather than rugby union. If anything football was and is the game of the upper class and the working class, and rugby the game of the middle-class.

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