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Likely targets/players within our reach) for summer 2012

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[quote user="Gingerpele"]Events have proven you right? In what possible way can you think that? Cody is a League One player next season, Martin got a run of games in this league and Jackson has scored twice in the league. Yes events have definatly proven you right...[/quote]

... because Cody would have scored at least two goals in the games Jackson and Martin had, not least because he can head a ball and has pace.  Simples !!!  

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oh dear sir. suggesting cody is as good as jackson is funny.

 

anyway, i would personally try to get snoddy, naughton (gunter if not), a replacement for drury as i believe lambert may not renew his contract and another striker.

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Oh, so Jackson is a good Prem player ?  No way IMO.

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Did you know, in 11 games Mark Fotheringham scored 2 goals for Livingston this season, Cody in 18 games scored 4. Super Cody, obviously wasn''t match fit.... Oh wait, neither was Fozzy. But that excuse works better for Cody. (and Paul, if you remember back, when Cody was still here and playing fairly well, and even after that I used to be in your corner, but your strange statements about him, our players and potential players, are.... well... strange)

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Oh for gods sake!

Cody is pants always has been. Jackson is at best championship level, as well as Martin and wilbraham.

Get rid of all these and replace with Maloney from Wigan, Rodriguez from burnley and hopeful thought of Andy Johnson from fulham as back up. To partner holt.

Two decent midfielders through the middle take ya pick. Murphy would be one hell of a signing.

2 CBs needed! Barnett I''d drive him anywhere, ward ain''t quite good enough. I have no idea of the two CBs I''d like though

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I don''t understand why we were linked with Clint Dempsey, if he leaves Fulham he''ll go to one of the top six. Jeff Stelling made a bit of a joke of it on saturday. Danny Murphy is currently sorting a new deal with Fulham too.

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I think Yakubu could be a good buy maybe getting on abit but he knows where the net is. If Blackburn go down i think he would come! [;)] Think we also need a center back!

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Tough one, think we look at those players in the championship who really warrant and want that chance.Snodgrass, Whittingham have been starts for years without a chance of prem. football. Carlton Cole and Nugent may also, having tasted premiership football want it more than ever.But for me it is Naughton, a centre back, Stuart Holden, Matty Phillips or Snodgrass and a striker.As always it is the spine of the team and the need for pace in our wide areas. But also our full backs... see its going to be exciting isn''t it. But we need starters. It is going to be exciting.

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Like the targets you have come up with but I think Naughton will cost far more than 2-3 Million after his performances this year, if Harry is even prepared to let him go.

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Might be reading way to much into this, but I have a feeling we may have seen the last of Naughton, he hasnt figured for quite a number of games now and he''s changed his Twitter profile picture back to one of him playing for Spurs. We know Lambert said in January that he''d like to make the deal permanent so I wonder if ''Arry has put him out of our price range or his wage demands are too high? Or he just simply doesn''t want to come.

I think we''ll have to wait and see who misses out on the promotion and who gets relegated, but should Blackpool fail I''d quite like to see young Tom Ince come in, I think he has more potential than Phillips and would give us cover and competition down both flanks for Pilks and Benno at a fraction of the price of Snodgrass. I''d love to see Lansbury come back should West Ham fail and he doesn''t stay at Arsenal, knows the club and players and is a great all round midfielder. Gunter at Forest at right back, strong in the tackle and likes to get forward and experienced at international level. Think we''ve got enough at CB providing Whitbread stays. Left Back could be an issue if Tierney continues to struggle with fitness, could be worth using a loan spot.

Just leaves up front. Think we''ll need 2. Rodriguez at Burnley is a possibilty, would like to see Fletcher come in but have a feeling he''s out of our price range and will end up at Fulham. Not convinced Rhodes is worth the gamble with the sort of figures being thrown around, possibly go abroad for the 2nd player.

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It''s tough to say, none of us really know what our transfer budget will be. Although reading this forum and listening to fans around the ground, there seems to be question marks over quite a few of our players. So fingers crossed it will be quite substantial.

J.Ruddy - Error prone.

R.Martin - Slow, didn''t tackle Hoilett.

E.Ward - S**t! My Nan could pass the ball better.

R.Bennett - Totally unacceptable!!!

M.Tierny - Cant keep it in his pants.

A.Surman - Styles his hair the bloody nancy!

B.Johnson - Ditto E.Ward.

A.Crofts - Reminds me of A.Hughes.

E.Bennett - Has the crossing ability of L.Croft.

S.Jackson - League 1 striker.

S.Morison - The less said about him the better!

D.Rudd - J.Steer is better.

J.Steer - Too small and too young.

D.Ayala - Injury prone.

L.Barnett - Hasn''t been in the team, S**t!

A.Drury - Will soon be in a coffin.

D.Fox - Been outstanding but we need better.

S.Lappin - Not up to it.

W.Hoolahan - We need a D.Silva.

A.Wilbraham - Look at his stats on Wikipedia!!

G.Holt - Second season syndrome.

J.Vaughan - Ditto D.Ayala.

C.Martin - Think''s he''s a hardman. Bad influence.

K.Smith - Not good enough.

We''ll keep Pilkington, Howson and Whitbread though...

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The only place I''ve heard the Dempsey link was Stuart Jarrold putting it to Lambert in Fridays presser.  A figment of his imagination I should imagine

Can''t really understand the desire for Holden, he''s played 90 mins of football in more than a year and is still not fit - who knows when or if he will ever be fit again

Naughton would be a definite for me.  We''re likely to carry on in the young(ish) & hungry mode, with players like Clyne, Rodriguez, Snodgrass, Cresswell from "them down the road".  Theres an 18yr old lad Nick Powell from Crewe who is attracting a lot of interest and is tipped for big things

I wouldn''t be averse to seeing us after Kightly from Wolves wither if its a bit of prem experience we''re after - sure to have other suitors though.  Danny Murphy not a nad shout as an old head, maybe even Andy Johnson.  Wages may be an issue with those 2 of those 3     

  

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I like the idea of Rodrigues and Gunter. Many of the other names are being linked with other clubs with more cash to splash. Moses and Fletcher with Sunderland, Snodgrass with Newcastle and Murphy tipped to sign a new contract at Fulham. Rhodes is probably worth a punt. Should Blackpool fail to go up they have quite a few players who may go. I like Taylor Fletcher as well as the 2 wingers

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thinking on why r. martin has been starting ahead of naughton, does anyone think he is in the shop window to finance a real deal for naughton who would be considerably more than we could expect to receive for russ. i believe that newcastle are interested. any player we sign would have to accept our wage structure which rules out many names mentioned on this thread. also, can you imagine the reaction if we signed diving johnson? no thanks.

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[quote user="alartz"]Maloney from Wigan, Rodriguez from burnley and hopeful thought of Andy Johnson from fulham as back up. To partner holt.

Two decent midfielders through the middle take ya pick. Murphy would be one hell of a signing.

2 CBs needed! Barnett I''d drive him anywhere, ward ain''t quite good enough. I have no idea of the two CBs I''d like though[/quote]Andy Johnson? Are you taking the p*ss??? The last time he consistently performed was about 5 years ago in his first season at Everton, and even then he wasn''t better than Holt is currently. His best season was actually 7 years ago when he hit 21 for Palace in the prem, and since then he''s underperformed, struggled with injuries and generally looked poor considering the fees he''s commanded.Danny Murphy WAS an excellent player, but he''s really dropped off this season and at the sort of wages he''d likely command, I''d rather look elsewhere even if he is on a free.Maloney is a good player, but is also past his peak and I''d much rather play Pilks on the left than him and Howson is better centrally. As a squad player he''d be a decent shout, but we''re not going to get him for ''squad'' wages which kind of defeats the object.I don''t think we need any more CB''s, it the RB and potential LB slots that concern me.Would be fairly happy with Rodriguez though still not convinced he''s ready for this level.

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If there''s one player I''d like Lambert to sign it''s Josh McEachran.Has massive potential but has struggled to get game time (even when on loan at Swansea and fit again), plus he''s unlikely to even be considered for the Chelsea side for at least another year or two (if ever), so if we could thrash out a deal at a good price he could be Lambert''s best ever signing. It will definitely depend on either who the next permanent mananger is, or whether or not Abramovich wants to simply sign someone else for 30 million instead of giving him a chance!

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" does anyone think he is in the shop window"oh dear meSo he is in the eam not because he is the most suited but because it might enhance our chances of selling him ? We have a possible 5m to play for and we put second rated players in the team hoping to sell them - presuming then he has a few exceptional games and no other club or scout has heard of him before. Beggars belief.As to who we sign it''s a fair bet that it will be almost none of the previous names listed. Who had Crofts, Fox, Johnson, Vaughan on any list .. likewise Howson and Bennett in January ?I would suggest the cirteria for players joining us will be a bit more than their club has been relegated, they are out of contract or they have been featured in some unreliable media source.We currently have 24 players plus Naughton not sure about Rudds over 21 qualification so have included him. So as it stands players will have to leave before any can come in. Suggestions would be Barnett, Lappin, Crofts and C Martin and possibly Jackson (on loan ?) until then ......

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What I can''t believe is people thinking Wilbrahamovic will leave... I wouldn''t be at all surprised if he stays here for a long time, becoming a player/coach in a year or two, then staying on as a coach.

Its always going to be hard guessing who Lambert is going to go for, but of course there is no harm in us listing who we think we should sign, or who we think we might sign. It may very well end up we sign no one that has been mentioned, although a couple of the names at least I would have thought will end up here, as quite a lot of bases have been covered.

I think 3-4 players will leave permanently, I really hope Lappin is one of them, don''t get me wrong he''s been a fantastic servant to the club, but 4 appearances I think it is for him this season, 2 in the cup and one of them was coming on against MK Dons. After quite a few years here, with really so little playing time considering he''s not had any major injuries (can''t even really remember any minor ones either), I think he deserves a couple years first team football, he''d easily be able to find it in the SPL, probably even the Championship. I don''t think he''s the kind of guy to hang around because he''s getting paid more, I think if he''s got a first team opportunity elsewhere and Lambert tells him to go for it, he will.

As for players in, I think we need 1-2 fullbacks, 2 if Tierney is off (maybe even 3 then, with one proper youngster capable of competing for places in a year or two), someone like Naughton (preferably him) who can play both sides well. Just because we couldn''t get him in Jan, doesn''t mean we won''t in the summer. Spurs may get a new manager, or Harry may decide he has no use for Naughton.

1 player in the middle, someone like Frimpong would be ideal, a player who can break up play and play football. At the moment we have Crofts and Johnson who can do the first part, but not he second part (although Johnson has shown some decent passing ability, its just very hit and miss, as for his shooting...) Howson does fit that bill, but I think he''s best playing alongside someone like that in CM, so he can attack a bit more.

1-2 Wingers, if we are going to be playing wide men regularly, we need good competition on both flanks. I think thats partly why Lambert keeps using the diamond this year, especially recently after mostly average performances and negative results with it (although I still think its useful, as long as Hoolahan is still here).

1 Quality striker, this is a must. If we don''t get someone who is going to be a constant threat on goal, next season could be worse than this season. I think that striker may have to be a bit older, someone like Yakubu would be a great addition, clearly knows how to find the goal. And then we could get a younger striker in, maybe. Especially if Vaughan gets injured again before the end of the summer window.

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What about Karl Henry from Wolves, could he do a job for us sitting in front of the back four ? About 28-29 years old, over 6'', plenty of prem experience. I do think we need something of a specialist to do that job for us. 

 

Mark .Y.

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My ideal signing (don''t think it will happen though) Victor Moses....

Even if Wigan stay up (and they probably will), I still think there is a chance we could get him. I think even our own fans maybe underestimate how much money were can/are going to spend on transfers and wages. I think McNally/the board will give Lambert as much money as they can manage, i''m sure they have faith he will keep us in the premiership for as long as he''s here, and know investing every spare penny will be worth it in the long run. I actually think, if we were to get a big accepted for Moses, he could chose us over even some teams like Fulham & Sunderland, maybe even ''better'' teams, if we offered him first team football (although I don''t think Lambert works that way). The main problem could be someone like Spurs, Arsenal, Newcastle being interested, or just being way off with wages. I''m sure Sunderland and Fulham, teams like that are paying a lot more than us at the moment, we''ll probably have to gradually build up over a couple of seasons (because we will have to start paying similar wages sooner or later, otherwise our players will just leave...).

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What about Sam Vokes and Dani Pacheco?

Both had reasonable loan spells with us.

I know Pacheco''s situation is complicated and both probably wouldn''t need much persuasion to buy into Lambert''s ethos.

But would they be better additions to what we''ve already got.

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I am surprised that nobody has mentioned looking at both Kightly and/or Jarvis from Wolves. For me they are both excellent players, easily fit into our squad and realistic options to give some additional options on the wings. I would happily have either player here, Kightly would be more likely. I would be less excited about either Doyle or Fletcher, neither of whom have the ability I think we need to be buying to help the team out next season.Plus I would go all out to get Whittingham. He is class, season after season and again would seem to fit into the squad.So if we got Kightly for £3m, Whittingham for £2m when Cardiff lose in playoffs again, I would then be looking for 2 defenders (presuming we ship off Ward and keep Whitbread) and a striker. I would go for Gunter (£2m) and Nathaniel Clyne at Palace (£2.5m) and considering I would like to think Holt, Morrison and Vaughan (fitness permitting) could get 30-35 goals between them I would want a stricker able to offer a different approach, and yes I know there may be problems due to agreements in place but heck, this is my post so sod it, I would try to get Pacheco back for £1.5m.What do you think? Around £11m in spending - seems realistic and would make the squad of a better quality.

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[quote user="Wings of a Sparrow"]What about Sam Vokes and Dani Pacheco?

Both had reasonable loan spells with us.

I know Pacheco''s situation is complicated and both probably wouldn''t need much persuasion to buy into Lambert''s ethos.

But would they be better additions to what we''ve already got.[/quote]Looks like we have similar thoughts...

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I''d have Pacheco back here, I think Lambert could get the best from him. Not sure on Vokes though, didn''t think he did that much, to be honest Wilbraham has probably done as much as Vokes would have done. But you never can tell until it happens (especially with Lambert in charge).

And as for the mention of Jarvis Knightly, i''d take either of both of them in a heartbeat. I know some people think its not a good idea buying relegated players, but both of them are premiership standard players, not championship or yo-yo, i''d be very surprised if they aren''t both back in this league next year, and probably at clubs who will stay up (although maybe still in the relegation mix up). Also, O''Hara. If he was going to cost a couple of million, he''d be a fantastic signing. Ok a little injury prone (and maybe thats not a great idea, we already have Ayala. Vaughan, Whitbread, Drury, now maybe even Tierney who seem to spend a lot of time injured). But if Lambert ''took the gamble'' i''d certainly be very pleased. Also think his attitude is probably something Lambert is looking for, as far as I know always gives his best, and was clearly very upset when fans targeted him, talented player I think.

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Ok I could probably make a list now:

Naughton

LB maybe.

O''Hara

Frimpong or that other one (can''t spell his name, the Chelsea one on loan at Swansea) on loan. Or Lansbury.

Jarvis and/or Knigtly and/or Moses.

Pacheco (Or Rhodes, different players, but both young and potential is there)

Yakubu (or Fletcher)

Not likely to be able to afford all that, Naughton would cost £2 millionish, O''Hara £2-4 million, one of the loans wouldn''t be free, Lansbury could cost anything up to £4 million (anything more is extremely unreasonable, didn''t start all that much for us to be fair, and doesn''t seem to start at all for West Ham, at least not when I look). Would expect any of those wingers to cost £5 million plus, Yak, well who knows really. And Pacheco a couple of million...

Thats just a wish list really, i''m not going to say who I think were going to sign, as I honestly have no clue.

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matt jarvis would make sense as he''s a left footed player and is kind of a mix between wes, pilks and surman, in that he has a bit of pace, can cross it, and can score some goals.

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Andy Johnson is better than the crap we''ve got upfront bones. A striker should score goals I believe in a Norwich shirt with holt upfront with him he could score goals and win pens. :)

We''d have two divers in the box then lol

And why do people hold on to ties of ex players so much? Yeah Pacheco had potential so much that his parent club got rid with themselves, they are a mid table side so he seems not good enough for us as a mid table side.

Vokes is crap.

Lansbury, we''ve got howson hoolahan pilks Bennett fox etc so no need

Forster no better than ruddy.

Possibly the only I''d like to see return is Peter Crouch but I really can not see that happening at all.

Matt Jarvis and Michael kightly would be a bonus though.

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GoalKeeper:

I think we need an experienced GK, it gives some true competition for big John and gives Rudd a chance to go on loan and gain some proper 1st team experience. Rumor has it Spurs are in the market for a new GK to learn under Friedel so possibly Cudicini on a one year deal?

A full back:

Making Naughton''s loan permanently would be nice but IMO unlikely, Gunter has been touted about and was tipped for big things a couple years back but his move to Spurs never came off for some reason. That leaves me more inclined to look at Nathaniel Clyne from Palace. Personally I don''t think Drury will get a new deal either so possibly a LB needed too, I''d look at someone from one of the relegated sides who''s not going to cost a massive amount of money.

CB:

For me I''d again look at someone with a little more experience, a wiser head to help guide Bennett and Ayala who will be our 1st choice pairing but can also come in and do a job if need be. Possibly Upson? Depending on wage demands etc, I''d move on Leon Barnett but keep hold of Zak and Ward to cover injuries.

DM:

This is, for me, the most essential area we need to sign a player in, part of the reason we concede so many goals is the lack of a player who can effectively protect our back 4, a role known in Italy as a "Regista", personally Emmanuel Frimpong on a loan deal would be a great addition, he gets about the pitch and breaks up play well, coming from Arsenal though you know there''s a good chance he''s going to be able to pass it well too.

Winger:

The main candidates touted have been Jarvis, Kightly and Snodgrass. Jarvis will be looked at by bigger clubs than us with a little more financial clout who''s also more established in this division. Some on here won''t like it but possibly a Stoke, WBA or Everton even will be more attractive prospects and sniffing round, Leaving Kightly or Snodgrass I''d personally rather see Snodgrass, can player on both flanks and offers a good goal threat also currently a Captain of his club, something Lambert seems to like in players he signs.

Striker(s):

Jackson and Wilbraham arn''t good enough for this level of football, they''ve came in and done a job at times this season but if we actually want to progress and establish ourselves in the PL we need better. I''d personally give Morison until January at least to see if he can re-discover form before looking at a replacement for him. The obvious candidate is Rhodes as he seems a "Lambert signing" but for me it depends on exactly how much Huddersfield want for him, this and the holding player are two areas we must get right and spending £4-5 million on Rhodes is too much of a gamble. If we can get him for about £2-2.5 million then I''d sign him. I know a lot of people want Doyle or Fletcher but I think they''ll command to much of a fee for ourselves to sign. I''d personally look abroad to Holland and look at Heerenveen''s Bas Dost, the latest in a long line of quality strikers to come from that club, he''s been linked with Villa and Newcastle but I don''t think he''ll command a massive fee, the biggest threat would be one of Holland''s top clubs. I accept it''s a longshot he''d join us though.

So in summary:

Cudicini

Clyne

Upson

Frimpong

Snodgrass

Rhodes

Bas Dost

I''d ship out:

Rudd (Loan)

Barnett

Drury

Crofts

Lappin

Chrissy Martin

Simeon

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I think we have to strengthen in most areas in the summer. I think the most essential areas are defensive midfielder, full backs and strikers.

A defensive midfielder is essential as none of the other midfielders that we have in the squad provide sufficient protection to the back line. Fox is a great playmaker and I''d rather he had a slightly more advanced role now in central midfield, providing room for a physical anchor man type player. I think Howson could do a very good job in this area BUT I think he looks even better playing just behind the striker. If I''m honest, I can''t actually think of a player of a good enough calibre to suggest. People have said Karl Henry but I don''t think he''s good enough.

Full backs is also a major area of concern. With Naughton going back to Spurs and Drury not gaining a contract extension we are left with Tierney and R Martin. Both players are good enough in their own rights and I think they will still be good squad players for a few seasons to come. I can see Martin reverting to a bench role but I still think Tierney is rated highly and I have no doubts he can have a starting role for a few seasons to come yet. Everyone forgets that Tierney was our best player at the start of the season, winning the first two player of the month awards and he assisted around 4 goals with his crossing. I''d look at signing Naughton permanently. I''d also look at Nathaniel Clyne. Man U starlet Ezequiel Fryers contract is running out in the summer. I''ve watched him a few times and he looks a top prospect. Spurs are also looking to sign him.

Strikers is also another potential area of concern. With Holty and to a lesser extent Wilbraham the only strikers producing good performances at the moment we need to look at other strikers. Bearing in mind that Wilbra and Jacksons contracts run out we''d be left with Holt and Morison. There are lots of players to choose from that I rate and are realistic. Marvin Emnes is a player I''ve admired for a long time and Middlesborough are rumoured to be in difficulty financially, he''d be a great signing. Jay Rodriguez, Didier De Konan, Steven Fletcher, Wilfried Zaha and Mohammed Abdelloue are all good strikers who are in our range.

I''d also look at strengthening centre backs and wingers.

I think we shoud be scouting the French, German, Holland and African leagues as there are lots of quality players that we can realistically sign and will be cheaper then the UK markets.   

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[quote user="paul moy"][quote user="Webbo118"]

[quote user="paul moy"]Rhodes hasn''t scored in his last 4 games in a very poor League 1 this season, so 4-5 million is well over his value IMO.[/quote]

You judge players over a longer period of time than 4 games.

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Indeed, and also not just on one very good season in a weak League 1 !! 

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If your past judgment of striking ability is anything to go by, I think we should sign him at the first opportunity.

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