Roeder

[YellowBlood 0]

Just read on twitter that our old friend Glen is chief scout at Aston Villa. I really want to finish the season on a high now.

[TIL 1010 4,717]

He has been at Villa for just over a year.I think McLeish inherited him from the Houllier reign.

[nutty nigel 7,506]

Well there''s a thing! And Grant''s coach. Just need Gunny to be appointed their goalkeeping coach now...

 

 

[yellow lorry 0]

No wonder Villa have been flirting with relegation with those two there. Oh yes and mcleish too.

[grantroederdisaster 0]

The dream team - McCliesh, Grant and Roeder!

 

I''m not surprised Villa are struggling!

[greenwichcanary 0]

Formula for relegation really isnt it! Dont get why anyone in their right mind would employ him, pretty much every club he has managed he has managed to pretty much get them relegated and leave them in a complete and utter mess!

[basil brush 0]

It allegedly cost us around £600K to get shot of Roeder, but that has proved to be money well spent. Horrible personality and manager. Acts like a failed P.E teacher.

[Canary_on_the Trent 0]

In fairness Roeder knew what he was talking about, he was good tactically & could spot a decent player but his man-management ultimately let him down.

[K Lo 221]

[quote user="Canary_on_the Trent"]In fairness Roeder knew what he was talking about, he was good tactically & could spot a decent player but his man-management ultimately let him down.[/quote]No, he was crap. Got loads of loan journey-men in who turned up for the cheque then sodded off when the going got sticky. He did, however, sign Wes but the scout probably spotted him.

[? 20]

Roeder good tactically?

 

You must have forgotten the infamous 4-6-0 formation at Stoke, the utterly useless 1 winger system, making Darel Russell a striker, Huckerby on the bench or the right wing, Gibbs as a central midfielder, and so on. He consistently played nearly everyone out of position. That is not being ''good tactically''.

 

As for ''spotting a good player'', this is the same man who made Fotheringham captain, and brought in Pattison, Bates, Camara, Bell, Grounds, James Henry, Koroma, Lupoli, Omozusi, Pearce, Velasco, and sold our best centre back in Shackell to pay the wages of Sibierski.

 

Other than buying Wes, the man did absolutely nothing right. 

[Canary_on_the Trent 0]

Roeder managed us at Stoke once; 1 of his earlier games when we were bottom, I recall a front 3 of Croft, Dublin & Hucks.

I the very first point you make is so incorrect shall I even bother with the rest of your post?

The 1 winger system actually took us on a 13 game unbeaten streak from the bottom of the division.

He was then found out the following season because of his man-management & the quantity of short-term loans he brought in, because the funds weren''t there to make the 10+ permanent signings we required at the time.

His permanent signings that summer were generally decent players; Kennedy, Stefanovic, Clingan, Hoolahan & Bell whom we made profit on in 6months.

[TIL 1010 4,717]

[quote user="Canary_on_the Trent"]In fairness Roeder knew what he was talking about, he was good tactically & could spot a decent player but his man-management ultimately let him down.[/quote]

Oh dear me this is a wind up,right ?

[Shyster 0]

[quote user="Canary_on_the Trent"]In fairness Roeder knew what he was talking about[/quote]

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[Canary_on_the Trent 0]

Its not a coincidence that he is so well-respected within the game. I don''t think many people would have been able to do what he did in that first season & saved us from the drop.

However as I said previously he isn''t a very good man-manager & once the honeymoon period had elapsed it was downhill from there.

[Shyster 0]

[quote user="Canary_on_the Trent"]Roeder managed us at Stoke once; 1 of his earlier games when we were bottom, I recall a front 3 of Croft, Dublin & Hucks.

I the very first point you make is so incorrect shall I even bother with the rest of your post?

The 1 winger system actually took us on a 13 game unbeaten streak from the bottom of the division.

He was then found out the following season because of his man-management & the quantity of short-term loans he brought in, because the funds weren''t there to make the 10+ permanent signings we required at the time.

His permanent signings that summer were generally decent players; Kennedy, Stefanovic, Clingan, Hoolahan & Bell whom we made profit on in 6months.[/quote]

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[Mr Brownstone 0]

Kennedy was a loan. Roeder was an awful, awful manager who nearly killed this club.

[Shyster 0]

[quote user="Canary_on_the Trent"]Its not a coincidence that he is so well-respected within the game. I don''t think many people would have been able to do what he did in that first season & saved us from the drop.

However as I said previously he isn''t a very good man-manager & once the honeymoon period had elapsed it was downhill from there.[/quote]

Yeah, so well respected he''s gone from manager to scout -- that''s akin to Gordon Ramsey going back to washing dishes.

[Tim Allman 1]

I remember writing this in a Capital Canaries article in the PinkUn in the 2008/09 season.

The most memorable Roeder moment was the “match fixing” game when we lost to a late goal at home to Derby. Fozzy was a sub that day and came on for Semmy after an hour or so. The Rodent, in a act of tactical acumen that only an England experienced manager could have dreamed up, pushed Sammy Clingan out to right back and Fozzy went to centre mid. Up to then City we were in control of the midfield. Fozzy came on, City surrendered control of the midfield and I surrendered control of my senses after the game. I had to apologise to a man in Morrisons car park for my swearing outburst.

[Tim Allman 1]

And some more Rodent tactical genius, this time from Watford away. Again taken from an old Capital Canaries article

Some more calamitous defending gave Watford the lead again, and despite Norwich’s decent play, pretty build up and huff and puff, their keeper didn’t have to make that many saves of any difficulty. Time for a sub we all thought. Get Lupoli on for either Russell, Pattison or Bell.

As the game passed seventy-five minutes, there were more and more shouts from the away fans for a change, for Lupoli, who by now had created a furrow up the sideline as a result of the number of times he had run up to the away fans and back. No subs were made. My general feeling and those around me was that the more we yelled at Roeder the less likely he was to do anything.

The whole substation farce was turning into a bizarre game of bluff and double bluff between Glenn “I have the only opinion that counts” Roeder and the 1000+ away fans who could all see we were playing well, but it needed a change. Even Kennedy up front for the last five minutes. But as Roeder knows best, no subs came on.

Despite losing 1-2 we played well, but lost again, with a major contributing factor, the catastrophic error of judgement by Roeder by not making any substitutions.

If Lee Clark was at his side would the same mistakes have been made? An interesting question.

[Shyster 0]

[quote user="Tim Allman"]And some more Rodent tactical genius, this time from Watford away. Again taken from an old Capital Canaries article

Some more calamitous defending gave Watford the lead again, and despite Norwich’s decent play, pretty build up and huff and puff, their keeper didn’t have to make that many saves of any difficulty. Time for a sub we all thought. Get Lupoli on for either Russell, Pattison or Bell.

As the game passed seventy-five minutes, there were more and more shouts from the away fans for a change, for Lupoli, who by now had created a furrow up the sideline as a result of the number of times he had run up to the away fans and back. No subs were made. My general feeling and those around me was that the more we yelled at Roeder the less likely he was to do anything.

The whole substation farce was turning into a bizarre game of bluff and double bluff between Glenn “I have the only opinion that counts” Roeder and the 1000+ away fans who could all see we were playing well, but it needed a change. Even Kennedy up front for the last five minutes. But as Roeder knows best, no subs came on.

Despite losing 1-2 we played well, but lost again, with a major contributing factor, the catastrophic error of judgement by Roeder by not making any substitutions.

If Lee Clark was at his side would the same mistakes have been made? An interesting question.[/quote]

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[TIL 1010 4,717]

Tim,this was bad enough watching it actually happen but for you to remind us all in the written word is almost too much for those of a nervous disposition. Pack it in PLEASE. [:''(]

[Harry 0]

The Rodent specialises in going into struggling clubs and saving them from relegation with players already at the club, his problems always start the following season when he ships out existing players and bringing in "His players".

Why any club would employ him as a manager for any longer baffles me.

He is the only Norwich Manager I have shouted abuse at, it was as he and the team were leaving the pitch after an awful away game at Burnley when we might as well have not turned up, the polite version was me telling him to get out of our club and take his captain with an apendage growing out of his forehead with him.

[? 20]

[quote user="Canary_on_the Trent"]Roeder managed us at Stoke once; 1 of his earlier games when we were bottom, I recall a front 3 of Croft, Dublin & Hucks. I the very first point you make is so incorrect shall I even bother with the rest of your post? The 1 winger system actually took us on a 13 game unbeaten streak from the bottom of the division. He was then found out the following season because of his man-management & the quantity of short-term loans he brought in, because the funds weren''t there to make the 10+ permanent signings we required at the time. His permanent signings that summer were generally decent players; Kennedy, Stefanovic, Clingan, Hoolahan & Bell whom we made profit on in 6months.[/quote]

Well, one of us is recalling incorrectly, Trent. We definitely played a 4-6-0 somewhere, but i''ll admit it may not have been Stoke. The memory is somewhat hazy, after trying so hard to banish all recollection of it from my mind, y''know. Not all of us remember those days as fondly as you, apparently!

The game i''m referring to is where we supposedly set up with a 4-5-1, and Russell (the lone striker!) spent the entire game sitting deep. In his actual position. Stroke of genius from Sir Glenn, that.

Says a lot that the best you can say about his signings is that he bought two complete sicknotes who cost us hundreds of thousands in wages over the course of that season, two complete mercenaries who couldn''t wait to abandon the sinking ship the moment they got a better offer, and Wes, who he played out of position every game after signing him.

What a hero.

Incidentally, seeing as i mentioned Lupoli, here''s another of those remarkable management moments from Roeder. Anyone else recall him making the signing, then coming out and saying that Arturo wasn''t ''big enough'' to play in the Championship, to justify his continuing non-selection? Evidentally, Glenn hadn''t quite done his homework on his transfer target. Bloody idiot.

[Harry 0]

Reading away on the 13th December 2008 was the game we started with no one upfront, we lost 2-0

[Gingerpele 0]

Isn''t Grant a fairly decent coach?

I think the players liked him here, I could be wrong. I think his problem was he just wasn''t up to managing.

As for Roeder, well the less said the better.

[Binky 0]

[quote user="Canary_on_the Trent"]In fairness Roeder knew what he was talking about, he was good tactically & could spot a decent player but his man-management ultimately let him down.[/quote]

Yesterday a wee Scot played only his 3rd prem game for us – not a great player perhaps but one who enjoys his game, always tries and by all accounts had a great game v Arsenal. Roeder’s treatment of him does not need recounting – but given the shortage of money and players at the time; Roeder’s decision to leave him out of team consideration in that relegation year was nothing short of scandalous. Don’t suppose he’ll be picked again v Villa but I’d love it if he is.

And Fotheringham has to be the worst player ever to have worn the captain’s shirt. Roeder able to pick a quality player? Hahahahahaha!!! (Pull in as many loan players as he did and the law of averages must mean you get a few right).

[TheRock 149]

[quote user="basil brush"]It allegedly cost us around £600K to get shot of Roeder, but that has proved to be money well spent. Horrible personality and manager. Acts like a failed P.E teacher.[/quote]You''ve hit the nail on the head there, God I laughed at this! [:D][Y]

[judderman 0]

Does anyone remember the smarmy West Ham fan who was right all along?http://westham.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/roeder-comes-up-smelling-of-canaries/http://westham.wordpress.com/2008/02/04/glenn-roeder-an-apology/http://westham.wordpress.com/2009/01/14/roeder-sacked-by-norwich/

Or who can forget:"I must have missed your tenure......."

[Syteanric 1]

I cant remember half of the players mentioned in this thread! thats how good they must have been!