might we have to relegate Villa to keep Lambert..... ?!?

[GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 2,035]

.....to prevent him going there?..........and if the answer is "yes" , would Lambert want to relegate them ???

[Gingerpele 0]

Why would Lambert want to go to Villa?

I think McNally/who ever would be happy to pay Lambert as much as Villa are willing to offer, keeping him here is more important then keeping/buying any players.

And money is the only reasonable reason for Lambert to leave. Villa have been losing their quality players in recent years, and replace them with average-decent youngsters. Lambert has spent three years building something here, and I think next season we''ll prove with him in charge we are already above Villa in terms of status/potential/what ever.

I know people will always worry, and Villa is a club that Lambert may consider. But they have been poor this season, not much better last season really. And I don''t think the owner really wants to spend money. I don''t even think they will sack the manager, and he probably won''t leave because he''ll struggle to get another decent manager.

[GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 2,035]

as much as Villa are in disarray at them moment we must concede that they are a bigger club and Lambert may well look at the fact that his "mentor" ,Martin O''Neill achieved 3 consecutive top 6 places not so long ago, and may well think he could emulate that?

[Bury Yellow 2]

Perhaps another factor would be Lambo''s mate Martin had an almighty bust up with Villa''s owner!!

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="Gingerpele"]Why would Lambert want to go to Villa? [/quote]Wealthy owners prepared to bankroll him if he chooses to rebuild the squadA better collective squad of players including fringe England playersA bigger club with a bigger fan base and larger stadiumFreedom to rebuild the club his wayBigger transfer budgetBigger personal salaryHigher profile club and a good stepping stone to prove he can do it at a bigger club than NCFCCloser to home

[Gingerpele 0]

I think O''Neil would warn him off that job.

And at the moment, there is no reason to join Villa. I doubt they will really have all that much money to spend without selling (Bent or Agbonlahor).

This whole ''bigger club'' thing, I don''t think you can really apply that to Villa, unless Lambert thinks he won''t be able to keep Norwich up next season.

[Gingerpele 0]

Mister Chops, in what way do the owners seem prepared to bankroll a manager? How much money did they give their current one? I don''t remember him spending even as much as they got for Ashley Young.

And he is building this club his way.

You don''t know our transfer budget, or theres, or how much Norwich are willing to pay Lambert.

Closer to home, that doesn''t really matter. A flight up from Norwich air port isn''t much more hassle than a flight/drive from Brum.

And Villa are going to go down anyway.

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="Gingerpele"]Mister Chops, in what way do the owners seem prepared to bankroll a manager? How much money did they give their current one? I don''t remember him spending even as much as they got for Ashley Young.

And he is building this club his way.

You don''t know our transfer budget, or theres, or how much Norwich are willing to pay Lambert.

Closer to home, that doesn''t really matter. A flight up from Norwich air port isn''t much more hassle than a flight/drive from Brum.

And Villa are going to go down anyway.[/quote]Surely they realise they need to offer money to rebuild the squad in order to attract any manager - otherwise nobody would go there.He is building NCFC his way, but that doesn''t mean he wants to continue if a bigger club come asking.No I don''t know our transfer budget or theirs but see point 1.By the same token, you don''t know that "closer to home" doesn''t matter.Villa will be okay this season, just.

By the way, when threads like this ask for speculative responses, responding with "yeah but you don''t know, right...." is a bit daft, by definition none of us really know anything and so it''s all conjecture and speculation.Neither you or I know Villa''s transfer budget.  We don''t know how much Lambert wants to be nearer home.  We don''t know whether Villa want Lambert in the first place.  That''s part of the fun, isn''t it?Anyway, I thought you wanted Di Matteo?

[Gingerpele 0]

No its hogesar who wants Di Matteo.... Come on, get it right :P

I just really don''t think Villa are a step in the right direction. To much risk. Obviously i''m not Lambert, he may love the chance to manage them.

I also reckon MoN could be a huge factor in Lambert not going there. He quit, seemingly because of a falling out with the owner, does anyone think he''ll recommend them to someone he presumably likes?

Anyway, its Barcelona we should be worrying about, Pep''s going to quit in the morning...

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="Gingerpele"]

I also reckon MoN could be a huge factor in Lambert not going there. He quit, seemingly because of a falling out with the owner, does anyone think he''ll recommend them to someone he presumably likes?[/quote]That is an excellent point, seeing as PL appears to think the sun shines when Martin O''Neill bends over.

[Gingerpele 0]

That can''t be right, I didn''t make an excellent point? Thats impossible....

Oh and by the way Chops, in case you haven''t seen the thread about How Many new faces next season, someone has outdone you in terms of humour. They reckon Pilks is rubbish and we should get rid of him... At least you had a point with Torres.

[Webbo118 0]

I really cannot understand this constant obsession with wanting to discuss who we can pass our Manager on to.

[nutty nigel 7,902]

Whoever hires and fires the managers at Villa thought it was a good idea to offer the job to the man who had just got their deadliest rivals relegated. They probably haven''t heard of Lambert but would be tempted to offer the job to Hughton so long as he fails in the play-offs. Failing that there''s probably someone at Walsall....

 

 

[CanaryOne 0]

PAUL LAMBERT IS HIGH ON VILLA LIST

Richard Dunne could be fit to play at the weekend

Friday April 27,2012

By Matt Law and John Wragg

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ASTON VILLA are ready to consider approaching the man who could relegate them on the final day of the season to succeed under-fire boss Alex McLeish.

Having released a statement asking for the

supporters’ backing for the last three games, Villa will hold an

internal review of McLeish’s performance whether or not the club are

relegated from the Premier League.

If they decide to sack McLeish in the summer,

then Norwich manager Paul Lambert is the man to whom Villa will turn in

an effort to get the best out of their underachieving squad.

Ironically,

Villa’s hopes of landing Lambert may well rest on their final-day trip

to Carrow Road, which could decide the club’s fate. Following their 2-1

home defeat by Bolton on Tuesday, Villa are just three points above the

relegation zone heading into tomorrow’s Midlands derby at West Brom.

Villa

host Tottenham before their journey to Norfolk and it is understood

they would be an attractive proposition to Lambert if they stay up, but

he will not consider leaving Norwich to drop down to the Championship.

[Jacko 0]

I really don''t think they have enough to persuade him to move on. Of course they are a bigger club with a fantastic history and bigger fanbase. But it is not just about that. Moving clubs represents a massive risk. You are inheriting a pretty inexperienced and threadbare squad. They are heavily over reliant on the kids right now.

There are other issues as well. Every player Lambert now has at this club is here because he signed them and wants them to be here. They will all fight to end for him and he can trust them. That may not happen in the Villa dressing room if some of the more influential men dont accept you or are afraid you will ship them out (unlikely but it could happen). Just look at how Mike Walker''s reign at Everton went.

If he is going to take the gamble of jumping ship I believe it will be to a club that harbours a genuine chance of cracking into Europe and the top 6. Until then I dont really see a lot of point in moving.

[GJP 79]

[quote user="GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary"]as much as Villa are in disarray at them moment we must concede that they are a bigger club and Lambert may well look at the fact that his "mentor" ,Martin O''Neill achieved 3 consecutive top 6 places not so long ago, and may well think he could emulate that?[/quote]

I don''t think so.

 

Firstly, Paul Lambert is very much his own man.

 

But looking at Villa anyway they are very long way off being a top 6 side. When you look at who makes up the top 6 at the moment with the likes of Everton and Liverpool just outside it I can''t see any way Villa are going to be anything more than a midtable side (at best) for the next few years.

 

Obviously being without Darren Bent is a massive blow to them but then I think that just highlights their problems. He''s a brilliant goal scorer and they rely heavily on him, there''s not much else in the squad to excited about.

 

You''d also have to wonder why Roberto Martinez didn''t take the Villa job. Apart from being a good guy and showing some loyalty to Wigan it was pretty obvious that it couldn''t have been a particularly attractive proposition for one reason or another.

 

Basically, Norwich are on the up (for however long it continues) and Villa are, at best, standing still.

[havemyhowsonit 0]

Why is this a thread?!

The bloke ain''t gone nowhere. Until he does he''s the Norwich manager.

And culverhouse and co are unsung heroes as well it ain''t just lambert doing all the work.

I don''t think he''s going anywhere IMO

[whoareyou? 0]

Aston Villa have lost £53 million  this year. I can''t see them bank rolling any manager soon.

[Jacko 0]

Wow £53 million. How is that possible. I know they signed Bent, but they have sold Young and Downing for mega money this year. That is very concerning if you are Villa.

[Son Ova Gunn 165]

Just because villa are a team on the slide doesn''t mean Lambert wouldn''t fancy it. I think it would be quite a similar move to his last one, going to slightly larger club in the same division who have had such a poor time lately that even mediocre success is an improvement and therefore the pressure is not quite there from the begining. We can certainly testify that Lambert is not afraid of taking a club on a downward spiral and turning them around. Interestingly even though Lambert seems to be the favorite choice with the villa fans alot dont think they would be able to get him, believing he would stay or go to a larger club (according to a few forums ive seen).

 

 

 

[GJP 79]

[quote user="Son Ova Gunn"]

We can certainly testify that Lambert is not afraid of taking a club on a downward spiral and turning them around.

[/quote]

But it''s not just Paul Lambert who turned Norwich around, is it?

 

And that''s the thing. He would need to know that people behind the scenes and controlling the purse strings at Villa were backing him all the way, like they do at Norwich.

 

Reading between the lines it doesn''t look like Villa are likely to have the same kind of approach that we''ve got at the moment.

[NorthWalesCanary 0]

Villa are obviously a bigger club than us, but under their current ownership and with the club in such turmoil it would be a huge risk for any manager to take the job at the end of the season should they stay up. Therefore I don''t think Lambert would be interested in going there this summer.

[William Darby 0]

[quote user="Son Ova Gunn"]

Just because villa are a team on the slide doesn''t mean Lambert wouldn''t fancy it. I think it would be quite a similar move to his last one, going to slightly larger club in the same division who have had such a poor time lately that even mediocre success is an improvement and therefore the pressure is not quite there from the begining. We can certainly testify that Lambert is not afraid of taking a club on a downward spiral and turning them around. Interestingly even though Lambert seems to be the favorite choice with the villa fans a lot dont think they would be able to get him, believing he would stay or go to a larger club (according to a few forums ive seen).

 

 

 

[/quote]Is he really going to jump ship to a team that needs more tinkering with than our team?  Forget size of Villa & City in comparison.  The facts are both teams aren''t much different atm.  IMO it''d be a side step.  By the sounds of it Villa fans acknowledge they''re attractiveness have somewhat dulled of late.  If Newcastle became available my bum would definitely be twitching then.

[Felixfan 53]

My biggest fear is that if he did go (unlikely in my opinion) he would take his coaching and backroom team with him and several of the players he has brought to us, and we would be very much back to the drawing board.

[norfolkbroadslim 225]

Why just Lambert though?  There are plenty of managers who could go to Villa.  Brendan Rogers might fancy it.................

[norfolkbroadslim 225]

[quote user="Jacko"]I really don''t think they have enough to persuade him to move on. Of course they are a bigger club with a fantastic history and bigger fanbase. But it is not just about that. Moving clubs represents a massive risk. You are inheriting a pretty inexperienced and threadbare squad. They are heavily over reliant on the kids right now. There are other issues as well. Every player Lambert now has at this club is here because he signed them and wants them to be here. They will all fight to end for him and he can trust them. That may not happen in the Villa dressing room if some of the more influential men dont accept you or are afraid you will ship them out (unlikely but it could happen). Just look at how Mike Walker''s reign at Everton went. If he is going to take the gamble of jumping ship I believe it will be to a club that harbours a genuine chance of cracking into Europe and the top 6. Until then I dont really see a lot of point in moving.[/quote]

 

He didn''t sign all of them..............

[William Darby 0]

[quote user="NorthWalesCanary"]Villa are obviously a bigger club than us, but under their current ownership and with the club in such turmoil it would be a huge risk for any manager to take the job at the end of the season should they stay up. Therefore I don''t think Lambert would be interested in going there this summer.[/quote]Are they really? Really?  Or have we still got small club mentality?

[Gingerpele 0]

Where is City1st, he wouldn''t let this ''ever so umble'' attitude continue....

[Son Ova Gunn 165]

[quote user="Gingerpele"]Where is City1st, he wouldn''t let this ''ever so umble'' attitude continue....[/quote]

 

Villa are a slightly bigger club than us in almost every aspect. I dont have a small club mentality, I know Leeds Utd are our feeder team!!, but to suggest that as a club Villa is not a step up to manage than us is wearing those yellow and green glasses I think and we as yet may finish side by side in the league so I wouldnt say they have any less potential to finish top half next season than us. Personally I dont think the step up is large enough to tempt Lambert but am not as convinced as most on here.

 

 

[havemyhowsonit 0]

This is what I keep saying!! Everybody goes on about lambert is an all round effort. McNally is the mastermind he done it fulham the exact same thing. He''s brought in a superb coaching and managing staff. The players that lambert has brought in have all been gambles that have paid off big time. Some would say that''s a great eye he''s got along with the scouts. Or it''s a gamble putting league 1 players against premiership teams. Either way it''s working for the whole team and board it''s not just about a manager