Wazzy's Ref Watch

[First Wazzock 966]

Andre Marriner

Mr Marriner always looks uninterested and half asleep to me. Today that summed him up nicely.

Got mixed up in play far too often, meaning players couldn''t clear the ball or challenge for it. Poor understanding of the rules underpinned most of his game, Baines could count his lucky stars - how he stayed on the pitch I shall never know. The catalogue of failure continues... Missed a blatant hand ball just outside the Everton box in the first half and a deliberate bodycheck too. Pulled Holt up for a free kick right under the lino''s nose in the second half, something he didn''t flag for.

For me the defining moment of the game, Everton''s second goal. I believe it was Pienaar who was laying on the ball, any challenge from a City player would have resulted in a free kick to Everton. The ball was unplayable and therefore should have resulted in a drop ball. By allowing him to get to his feet and play the ball was farcical, by doing this it allowed them to score which in my eyes was totally wrong. Jelavic went down like the sniper in the crowd had got him, yet the play acting still didn''t warrant a yellow card,which was followed up by an Everton player kicking the ball away seconds later - still no yellow. In the first half when we had a free kick close to their penalty area, the shot hit one of their players who looked about 4 yards away when the kick was taken, no retake then Andre? Another thing with the  big ''ceremonial'' free kicks on the edge of the penalty areas, he took an eternity to get the walls back. Everton took some their defensive free kicks miles away from where the offences took place.

After a performance like this I think it would be good for the assessors who watch these Refs every make to make their match reports open to the public, after all what have you got to hide, apart from stating what we all know. He was crap.

 

Andre Marriner - -2 (minus Two) How the **** are you a ref?

[star_manic 0]

i have a suspicion that he is paul marriners nephew, must be judging by the decisions he made. baines should have been sent off, we should have had a penalty for handball and the incident leading to evertons second.[:@][:@][:@]

[star_manic 0]

i have a suspicion that he is paul marriners nephew, must be judging by the decisions he made. baines should have been sent off, we should have had a penalty for handball and the incident leading to evertons second.[:@]

[ricardo 7,755]

A complete Arse for 90 minutes and I seldom complain about Ref''s.

[star_manic 0]

i have a suspicion that he is paul marriners nephew, must be judging by the decisions he made. baines should have been sent off, we should have had a penalty for handball and the incident leading to evertons second.[:@]

[star_manic 0]

[quote user="star_manic"]i have a suspicion that he is paul marriners nephew, must be judging by the decisions he made. baines should have been sent off, we should have had a penalty for handball and the incident leading to evertons second.[:@][/quote].......guess who is having internet trouble on internet explorer, keeps telling me that there is a problem but is still posting my messages. now on chrome.

[K Lo 237]

...and now that''s posting a load of garbled crap as a quote. I use Firefox. Not that I like it really, it''s juts less bad than the others.

[Mister Chops 7]

i have a suspicion that he is paul marriners nephew,

must be judging by the decisions he made. baines should have been sent

off, we should have had a penalty for handball and the incident leading

to evertons second.

[The Great Drinkell 50]

Reffereeing is a very difficuly job be the secret of a proffessional is making the job you do look easy .... Mr Marimer made it look impossible. I@m not one for slating Refs but this guy just didn''t have the bottle today and will probably be the "star" of MOTD.

WORST REF WE''VE HAD FOR YEARS

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

Some match reports are stating Marriner also blocked off Wes as he tried to stop Pienaar''s cross for the goal.

It was Lambert''s respect for Moyes which stayed his post match criticism, however, this is likely to work against Marriner.

Jelavic was probably trying to see how far Marriner''s incompetence went.

But, can you tell me Wazzy, do you think the Lino''s could have been more decisive or do they know Marriner doesn''t use them beyond throw-ins?

[mastoola 198]

[quote user="RUDOLPH HUCKER"]Some match reports are stating Marriner also blocked off Wes as he tried to stop Pienaar''s cross for the goal. It was Lambert''s respect for Moyes which stayed his post match criticism, however, this is likely to work against Marriner. Jelavic was probably trying to see how far Marriner''s incompetence went. But, can you tell me Wazzy, do you think the Lino''s could have been more decisive or do they know Marriner doesn''t use them beyond throw-ins?[/quote]

i was just saying to a friend that there were three more officials out there and they done nothing either.

[mastoola 198]

sorry my post got clipped down????? was gonna say to wazzy. what can the other officals actually do if the see such incompedance from the ref?

[First Wazzock 966]

[quote user="RUDOLPH HUCKER"]Some match reports are stating Marriner also blocked off Wes as he tried to stop Pienaar''s cross for the goal. It was Lambert''s respect for Moyes which stayed his post match criticism, however, this is likely to work against Marriner. Jelavic was probably trying to see how far Marriner''s incompetence went. But, can you tell me Wazzy, do you think the Lino''s could have been more decisive or do they know Marriner doesn''t use them beyond throw-ins?[/quote]

The role of the assistant Referee has almost certainly changed over the years. In days gone by the Refs would instruct what they wanted from their assistants i.e. flag for everything they see, or some would say give me offsides and ball out of play only and leave the offences on the pitch to me. So they would have been instructed by Marriner as to what he wanted from them.

[First Wazzock 966]

[quote user="mastoola"]sorry my post got clipped down????? was gonna say to wazzy. what can the other officals actually do if the see such incompedance from the ref?[/quote]

Nothing.

He is the man in charge, and although they may have a differing view from him they would back him to the hilt.

This is why I would like to see a change in the way the match assessors operate. Why can''t their reports on the Refs they watch be made public? What is their to hide, we know they are not going to have a blinder every week? Also why are the poorer Refs not demoted, we seem to persevere with some who appear to be clearly not up to the job. Perhaps it''s the ''old pals'' act, after all Michael Oliver''s dad was a Ref!

[shefcanary 2,797]

The shame is that the MOTD editors have decided Marriner should get away with his dismal performance.  Whilst I understand the furore over smart arse Lawrenson''s comments about Holt, the fact MOTD focussed on other matters meant that there was no dissection of the performance by the ref.  Given the comment that 6 minutes on the Sunderland v Spurs match was pretty much scraping the barrel, surely they could have used a couple of those minutes looking at Marriner''s non-performance.  The rest of the football world probably think the issue with Pienaar was just a one-off in the match when it wasn''t even the tip of the iceberg!!  I too would love to see the assessor''s report.  I reckon Lambert would probably have not marked Mr Marriner very high either.

[Gingerpele 0]

Good review Wazzy.

I thought that was probably one of the worst, if not the worst performance I have ever seen from a referee.

The one thing, wether they are fair or not, you should be able to expect from a ref is consistency in the decisions he makes. He gave a couple of free-kicks for minor pushes/pulls in battles between CF and DF from long balls, yet when one of the other ended up on the floor (this means fouls by either Norwich or Everton) he wasn''t giving them.

He probably missed a couple of hand balls, then the one he did give, I thought was a blatant attempt at hand ball, he didn''t even book the player.

Someone was fouled before the Everton goal, he should not have just stood there. Either a Everton FK, and Norwich FK, or a drop ball. Every a advantage signal would have sufficed, he did nothing.

I haven''t seen the Baines tackles (MOTD decided to ignore he potential sending off) but surely if the first one was a yellow, the second one was definatly a yellow. You can''t not book a player because they''ve already been booked, its not how it works. If he''s made two tackles worthy of a yellow, he gets two yellows.

He made decisions (or didn''t, as was the case a lot of the time) that effected both sides. Although from memory we seemed to come out short more often than not.

Can we complain to the FA about referees? I don''t like to moan too much about them, they are human, they do make mistakes, some rules can be interpreted differently, some are harsher than others, sometimes views are impeded, maybe even the occasion/teams being officiated can get the better of the man. But this was just an all round incompetent display.

[Baldyboy 1]

Ginge, you can e mail the FA but will get a standard reply about how the refs are monitored each game and are human and make occasional bad decisions!! As an ex ref I was astonished at how poor marriner was and he seems reluctant to give us a pen as he missed one against man u at home too!!! the thing about it is the refs dont get punished when making wrong decisions very often, they just do a 4th official job the following week like Jon moss yesterday after the Davies dive he gave a pen for last week!!!

[pete_norw 0]

[quote user="baldyboy"]Ginge, you can e mail the FA but will get a standard reply about how the refs are monitored each game and are human and make occasional bad decisions!! As an ex ref I was astonished at how poor marriner was and he seems reluctant to give us a pen as he missed one against man u at home too!!! the thing about it is the refs dont get punished when making wrong decisions very often, they just do a 4th official job the following week like Jon moss yesterday after the Davies dive he gave a pen for last week!!!
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A bit like being a free mason then, Even if they are wrong they are right with no punishment given, making it very easy to take bungs, Not that they do that is.   

[I am a Banana 0]

http://rateyourref.co.uk/referee/Andre-Marriner

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[quote user="pete_norw"]

[quote user="baldyboy"]Ginge, you can e mail the FA but will get a standard reply about how the refs are monitored each game and are human and make occasional bad decisions!! As an ex ref I was astonished at how poor marriner was and he seems reluctant to give us a pen as he missed one against man u at home too!!! the thing about it is the refs dont get punished when making wrong decisions very often, they just do a 4th official job the following week like Jon moss yesterday after the Davies dive he gave a pen for last week!!![/quote]

A bit like being a free mason then, Even if they are wrong they are right with no punishment given, making it very easy to take bungs, Not that they do that is.   

[/quote]A bit of a popular misperception that I''m afraid.Freemasons raise a vast amount of money each year for charities and do a great deal of good within their community. They just don''t blow their trumpets about it though.

[Webbo118 0]

Everyone has a bad day but he was by far the most incompetent official seen this season. It was like he had been transported in from some parallel universe and found himself somewhere he had never been before, i.e. the middle of a football pitch. One of the Sunday papers stated that he infuriated the Norwich fans but got most things right. Can''t argue with that - he wore the correct uniform, started the game on time, made sure his assistants were wearing matching outfits and his whistle worked. Apart from the obvious controversial incidents concerning Baines and the Everton second goal, he had a natural talent for ignoring the rules on frequent occasions. Firstly, when Pienaar was running towards his own goalline there was a shout in unison of "don''t go near him" as it was obvious that he was going to throw himself over, which he duly did, right on the goalline. Tim Howard came over to take the resulting free kick and stood some six yards from the line. When Marriner turned his back, he threw the ball some ten yards further forward. Marriner was completely unaware of his but the assistant saw it and did nothing. It defies belief that referees are unable to measure ten yards. When we were given a free-kick, one yard outside the area in the centre of the field, why is it necessary to measure out ten yards in baby steps? You do not have to hold a Master of Arts in applied and/or pure mathematics to work out that if the penalty spot is six yards from the edge of the penalty area and the free kick is one yard outside the penalty area, the wall has to be three yards nearer to the goalline than the penalty spot. Similarly, if the six yard box is twelve yards from the penalty area and the free kick is one yard outside, the wall has to be three yards in front of the six yard box. In other words, 18+1-6-3=10 and 18+1-12+3=10. It really is not rocket science. When the aforementioned wall is put in hopefully the right place, a defending player is not allowed to move towards the ball until it is kicked. Why, therefore, was Pienaar (yes, him again) allowed to run towards the free kick and charge it down from a distance of about two yards? No decison to retake the kick and award a yellow card for encroachment. Finally, Jelavic ran the ball out of play and then blatantly booted it away. No action taken. He then decided to make out that he had been struck in the face. Again, no action taken.