stadium expansion

[norwichyellow 0]

The board have said that building a new stadium,is unfesable. But have always said that when, they have been in the prem for one season they will rebuild the city stand . So that the capacity is 35 000. Does any one know that they are going to do this, as it NEEDS to happen ASAP...

[Excited Canary 19]

@davidmcnally62 Hi David, any news on ground expansion? 1 year in the Prem down, 1 more to go?

@essexcanary36 we are still in the research phase of the project

[grantroederdisaster 0]

Your right in saying the board have investigated the possibility of building a new stadium and have found that it would be better to increase the capacity of Carrow Road!

 

The club intend to do a significant rebuild to increase capacity when the team has confirmed 3 seasons of Premiership status which will be the end of next season at the earliest!

 

Aparently the club have been investigating a minor increase in capacity in the Hotel area this summer!

 

Exciting times! 

[priceyrice 133]

[quote user="grantroederdisaster"]

Your right in saying the board have investigated the possibility of building a new stadium and have found that it would be better to increase the capacity of Carrow Road!

 

The club intend to do a significant rebuild to increase capacity when the team has confirmed 3 seasons of Premiership status which will be the end of next season at the earliest!

 

Aparently the club have been investigating a minor increase in capacity in the Hotel area this summer!

 

Exciting times! 

[/quote]I have been hearing talk about a temp stand infront of that hotel for a couple of years now, lets get on and do it. Put the away fans in there and let city fans take over the whole of the jarrald stand- that way we don''t have segregation issues either

[RvWs 4 year contract 0]

Read the ''how far can NCFC go as a club'' thread.Some fascinating insight from some of the best posters on this board about the future of our great club.

[Badger 2,745]

Re putting the away fans in a temporary stand in front of the hotel

Would a temporary stand be big enough? I thought that we had to offer 3,000 tickets or 10%?

[morty 0]

[quote user=" Badger"]Re putting the away fans in a temporary stand in front of the hotel

Would a temporary stand be big enough? I thought that we had to offer 3,000 tickets or 10%?[/quote]It will be for home fans.

[ncfcstar 342]

I think the small clues are always the ones to look out for in things like this.  The club are obviously very serious about the rebuilding/extending of the City Stand, that''s public knowledge.Has anyone else noticed that the club badge on the City Stand above the directors entrance has been smashed and not replaced...not really something the club would do if they had no intention of knocking the stand down in my opinion.  Especially being in the Prem and with that stand being the main entrance for all scouts, sheiks etc. 

[Canary_on_the Trent 0]

Is there any point putting seating in front of the hotel?

Surely the away fans would then require segregation on both sides?

[N city till I die 0]

I know mcnally said we would have to of been in the prem for 3 seasons for stadium expansion, but didn''t he come out and say only two seasons after? sure I red that somewhere.

Also does anyone know what the maximum that Carrow Road can be expanded to?

[William Darby 0]

It could well mean two seasons up, going into the third.

[PurpleCanary 6,372]

[quote user="London Canary"]I know mcnally said we would have to of been in the prem for 3 seasons for stadium expansion, but didn''t he come out and say only two seasons after? sure I red that somewhere. Also does anyone know what the maximum that Carrow Road can be expanded to?[/quote]

 

This is from the AGM in late 2010 or early 2011, when we were in the Championship, but I think the timescale that seems to be outlined then is still the same. Ie, as I read it, if we stay up this season and next, so are guaranteed a third season in the PL, then it would be considered:

 

Carrow Road could return to the days of 35,000 crowds if Norwich City regain Premier League status, shareholders were told on Tuesday night.

Chief executive David McNally said the Canaries had to look at increasing ground capacity if they became re-established as a top-flight club.

But, speaking at the club’s annual meeting, he warned that adding 8,000 to the current capacity of 27,000 would cost £20m, money it would take years to recoup.

Not since the 1970s have City been able to accommodate 30,000-plus crowds. The final home match of the 1974-75 season, against Aston Villa, was watched by 35,999 fans, but three sides of the stadium were still terracing.

McNally said City’s current average home gate of 25,277 was “a distance ahead” of the Championship average of about 16,000, but he said the average Premier League crowd was about 35,000.

“We do have to consider looking at the opportunity to increase capacity when the time would be right,” he said.

Some Premier League clubs managed on much smaller gates, but survived thanks to big benefactors such as Dave Whelan at Wigan and Mohamed Al Fayed, who had put £200m into Fulham, he said.

“If there is no major investor we have to make the club self-sustainable and in the Premier League we would have to have35,000,”said McNally.

But he pointed out that it cost about £2,500 per seat in a “new build”, so it would cost £20m to increase capacity by 8,000.

City would lose £1.4m in gate income from lost capacity while building work was in progress and it would take nine years to pay back the building cost, he said, adding that they would consider expanding the stadium only after two consecutive years in the Premier League.“ Only then would it be a viable proposition,” he said.

Club chairman Alan Bowkett said after the meeting that one side of the stadium was a prime candidate for redevelopment.

He said: “The obvious route is the Geoffrey Watling City Stand and whether you throw another layer on it, or you take it down and rebuild I don’t know.“I think probably the sensible thing to do is bite the bullet, take it down and build a new stand but it means 18 months, possibly two years, without revenue. Then what do you do to the people in the Geoffrey Watling Stand, who tend to be the people who have been supporters for many generations? So it’s difficult.”

Bowkett said City were confident there would be an extra 8,000 fans keen to see Premier League football.

“We’ve done a lot of looking at the greater Norwich conurbation and the commuting population,” he said. “About 500,000 people are in commuting distance of Norwich, compared to what, a 150,000 population. There isn’t another club for 50 miles.

There isn’t really another large scale sporting attraction like a rugby club or rugby league club, so we’ve got a captive market. We just have to make it accessible. The trade-off is between capacity and price.

“I’ve had some private conversations this evening with people saying ‘It’s getting a bit expensive, Alan’. And I know it is. There is only so far we can put the price up. And in the current environment when people are paying higher taxes, high inflation, flat salaries, one has to be realistic. “But we’ve started our renewal programme for season tickets which, I’m absolutely amazed, has gone superbly well and we’ve got another six or seven hundred new subscribers for season tickets out of the blue.”

[grantroederdisaster 0]

["Canary_on_the Trent"]Is there any point putting seating in front of the hotel?

Surely the away fans would then require segregation on both sides?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is a lot of point in putting seats in front of the hotel which is our ground isn''t big enough for the demand if you haven''t noticed!

 

If seating for home fans was put in front of the Hotel then no other part of the ground would have to change and the away fans would already have segregation on the nearest side to it with it being a wall which is the end of the Jarold stand!

[Bungay Canary 0]

A team down the road tried this several years ago supporters winging and wining about not being able to get tickets ,Sheepshagger pushed the boat out  second season in the prem was sh1t went bust took several norfolk companys for a fortune and now look at them can barely half fill the ground . Is it not better to see how next season pans out before jumping in big time , I got my 3 season tickets in the mid 90s when Carrow road was only getting  15 000 average , its not a pretty sightsitting in a half full stadium.

[grantroederdisaster 0]

["London Canary"]I know mcnally said we would have to of been in the prem for 3 seasons for stadium expansion, but didn''t he come out and say only two seasons after? sure I red that somewhere.

Also does anyone know what the maximum that Carrow Road can be expanded to?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I''d expect any major expansion to take place if we are still a Premiership club after the end of next season!

 

In theory the maximum Carrow Road could be expanded to is well over 40,000, but its unlikely we''d ever need to go beyond 40,000.

 

The Jarold stand can be extended round in front of the Hotel but has the club got an agreement with the Hotel stating that the pitchside views from some of the rooms has to remain?

 

An upper tier can be put on the Jarold stand regardless of whether foundations are already in or not, although if they aren''t in place the build would be much more expensive.

 

The River end (Norwich and Peterborough to the young''uns!) is looking dated now and I''d assume it would be possible to replace it with a bigger stand holding up to 2-3000 more. Looking at how much far back the Aviva Community corner stand goes in relation to the N&P shows how a bigger River end stand could be built there.

 

The current City stand has the foundations for an upper tier but the Board have said that it would probably be better to just knock it down and build a bigger and more modern stand.

 

The Barclay end has plenty of room behind it so in theory a much bigger stand could be built!

 

Personnally if I was making the decision on a big rebuild then I''d go for the Jarold stand upper tier because the capacity wouldn''t be temporarily reduced in doing so which wouldn''t be the case with a new City stand. Knocking down the current City stand would reduce the capacity to less than 23,000.

[grantroederdisaster 0]

("Bungay Canary"]

A team down the road tried this several years ago supporters winging and wining about not being able to get tickets ,Sheepshagger pushed the boat out  second season in the prem was sh1t went bust took several norfolk companys for a fortune and now look at them can barely half fill the ground . Is it not better to see how next season pans out before jumping in big time , I got my 3 season tickets in the mid 90s when Carrow road was only getting  15 000 average , its not a pretty sightsitting in a half full stadium.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think this is exactly what the board are thinking although a cheaper small scale capacity increase of 1000 or under in the summer is being investigated!

[yoda 0]

In the event of rebuilding work been carried out and the problems it would cause with ncfc season ticket holders would we have the right to not have away fans during this time ?

[priceyrice 133]

[quote user=" Badger"]Re putting the away fans in a temporary stand in front of the hotel

Would a temporary stand be big enough? I thought that we had to offer 3,000 tickets or 10%?[/quote]i really don''t no badger, i could imagine a corner infil holding 3,000 but i really have no idea. What does the snakepit hold? I imagine a corner infill the other side of the barclay could almost be double the size of the snakepit.It''s just annoying having to see 500-1000 seats lost at the moment due to segregation of fansAlso, isn''t it only FA cup games you have to offer 10% of tickets to the away team- i''m not sure it''s quite that high for a prem game. I''m sure we don''t get 6,000 tickets when we visit Arsenal and Man U do we?

[. 0]

If anything I can see them reducing capacity to make ST demand even keener... then put up prices to cover the shortfall.It would be bad business to increase ground capacity.

[Bill 1,788]

It should be borne in mild that 9 years is a long, long time. 9 years ago we had not even returned to the Premier League for our one year brief stay.The figure quoted for 8,000 is £20m, which presuming it doesn''t include interest could average out at £3m per year, not a lot but it would have to generate that amount irrespective of which division we are in.Fine we could have a couple of sold out seasons in the premier where the new stand generated enough to be put aside for seasons when for whatever reason it is not selling out. Simple answer is to continue rasing prices until the club finds the optimum price that fits 27.000 in to Carrow Road (with a few waiting). If emand falls then simple reduce prices as before.A few clicks on the mouse in the ticket office is far easier than months and months of building and years and years of repayments

[Sing Up The South Stand 0]

Priceyrice...

For the FA Cup it''s 15%.

In the Prem it''s 10% or 3000, whatever''s lower.

[tom cavendish 0]

If the club were given

land for free... then surely a new stadium would be the best

option.Look at it like this... 8,000 more seats at FCR would

cost £20m. On top of that would be millions in lost income when the

work takes place. FCR must be worth £20m+ as land, perhaps a

lot more than that to a company such as Ikea that doesn''t have a

store anywhere near Norwich. Clubs also receive a lot more

money in grants for new stadiums than for redeveloping

stadiums.Providing the club could get the land for free and leased from the

council or the university, for £40m the club could have a new 40k

stadium with a massive new car park etc. etc.

[Tangible Fixed Assets anyone? 0]

[quote user="tom cavendish"]

Providing the club could get the land for free and leased from the council or the university, ......[/quote]

 What spare land do you think the City Council or the University has?

[Lord Horn 0]

[quote user="tom cavendish"]

If the club were given land for free... then surely a new stadium would be the best option.

Look at it like this... 8,000 more seats at FCR would cost £20m. On top of that would be millions in lost income when the work takes place.

FCR must be worth £20m+ as land, perhaps a lot more than that to a company such as Ikea that doesn''t have a store anywhere near Norwich.

Clubs also receive a lot more money in grants for new stadiums than for redeveloping stadiums.

Providing the club could get the land for free and leased from the council or the university, for £40m the club could have a new 40k stadium with a massive new car park etc. etc.

[/quote]

The City Council (or any other Council locally) do not own vast swathes of land, neither does the University.  Private landowners/farmers own most of the land around Norwich and the return for the use of that land for housing would be far more profitable than a football stadium - no landowner in their right mind is going to give land away.  You have obviously also not read the Government''s new National Planning Policy Framework where the issues surrounding getting planning permission for something like a new stadium in the countryside would make the possibility very unlikely and years away if it was ever a prospect at all.

[pete_norw 0]

[quote user="Lord Horn"][quote user="tom cavendish"]

If the club were given land for free... then surely a new stadium would be the best option.

Look at it like this... 8,000 more seats at FCR would cost £20m. On top of that would be millions in lost income when the work takes place.

FCR must be worth £20m+ as land, perhaps a lot more than that to a company such as Ikea that doesn''t have a store anywhere near Norwich.

Clubs also receive a lot more money in grants for new stadiums than for redeveloping stadiums.

Providing the club could get the land for free and leased from the council or the university, for £40m the club could have a new 40k stadium with a massive new car park etc. etc.

[/quote]

The City Council (or any other Council locally) do not own vast swathes of land, neither does the University.  Private landowners/farmers own most of the land around Norwich and the return for the use of that land for housing would be far more profitable than a football stadium - no landowner in their right mind is going to give land away.  You have obviously also not read the Government''s new National Planning Policy Framework where the issues surrounding getting planning permission for something like a new stadium in the countryside would make the possibility very unlikely and years away if it was ever a prospect at all.

[/quote]

In short you have more chance of filling a barrow with Rocking horse Poo,Perhaps Aviva might donate the funds? 

[Bury Yellow 2]

In an ideal world, bearing in mind the development around the carra and the real problems that will face parking etc., a new stadium could be the answer.

I would not be at all surprised if this option is not being considered. Easier access, better parking, use of the stadium for a additional alternative purposes.

One thing for certain, there is no one more qualified to consider all the options than our chairman.

[PurpleCanary 6,372]

[quote user="Lord Horn"][quote user="tom cavendish"]

If the club were given land for free... then surely a new stadium would be the best option.

Look at it like this... 8,000 more seats at FCR would cost £20m. On top of that would be millions in lost income when the work takes place.

FCR must be worth £20m+ as land, perhaps a lot more than that to a company such as Ikea that doesn''t have a store anywhere near Norwich.

Clubs also receive a lot more money in grants for new stadiums than for redeveloping stadiums.

Providing the club could get the land for free and leased from the council or the university, for £40m the club could have a new 40k stadium with a massive new car park etc. etc.

[/quote]

The City Council (or any other Council locally) do not own vast swathes of land, neither does the University.  Private landowners/farmers own most of the land around Norwich and the return for the use of that land for housing would be far more profitable than a football stadium - no landowner in their right mind is going to give land away.  You have obviously also not read the Government''s new National Planning Policy Framework where the issues surrounding getting planning permission for something like a new stadium in the countryside would make the possibility very unlikely and years away if it was ever a prospect at all.

[/quote]

 

I am not advocating the idea, but had always assumed if we did move to a greendfield site it would be our own training ground at Colney. Is that not big enough, or would transport links be too difficult?

[morty 0]

I think we would be daft moving from the prime piece of real estate we are currently on. 10 minutes from the train station, 20 minutes from the city centre, right next to Riverside. I think the casual business created for the shop and ticket office created by people being in and around the place as part of their daily business, would be missed.

[Cambridgeyellow 0]

Where are these 8000 extra fans coming from ? People seem to complain when they cant get a ticket for Man Utd but wont come and watch us play Wigan Wolves ect.

[Lord Horn 0]

[quote user="Cambridgeyellow"]Where are these 8000 extra fans coming from ? People seem to complain when they cant get a ticket for Man Utd but wont come and watch us play Wigan Wolves ect.[/quote]

Errrrr...Wigan and Wolves were as much a sell-out for home fans as the Manc game.