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[quote user="The Iron Lady"]Unfortunately for most it is a question of having your favourites. Morison and Jackson have upset the majority and long may that continue.[/quote]Really?I mean, sure, everybody will have their favourites, that''s only natural.  But to suggest that other players coming in and doing well is ''upsetting the majority'' is a bit OTT.  I can''t recall anybody being upset at the fact we have three strikers who could all justify a place in the starting eleven at this moment in time.  And if they are maybe they''d like to recall the halcyon days of Darel Russell and Jamie Cureton up front.  Though I doubt many people with this mentality even exist.And at the end of the day, it is only football.  And even within football''s little bubble, it would be an extremely minor issue to get ''upset'' about.

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Indeed Graham, there is room at the top for all who work hard enough to be there, as long as they have a little talent too.Some have wanted us to sell both Morison and Jackson though, due to them performing and thus upsetting the consensus of popular opinion amongst NCFC fans.  Why would anyone want to sell any of our top 3 strikers until we have purchased better?

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[quote user="Graham Humphrey"][quote user="The Iron Lady"]Unfortunately for most it is a question of having your favourites. Morison and Jackson have upset the majority and long may that continue.[/quote]Really?I mean, sure, everybody will have their favourites, that''s only natural.  But to suggest that other players coming in and doing well is ''upsetting the majority'' is a bit OTT.  I can''t recall anybody being upset at the fact we have three strikers who could all justify a place in the starting eleven at this moment in time.  And if they are maybe they''d like to recall the halcyon days of Darel Russell and Jamie Cureton up front.  Though I doubt many people with this mentality even exist.And at the end of the day, it is only football.  And even within football''s little bubble, it would be an extremely minor issue to get ''upset'' about.[/quote]Yeah- thats not where I am coming from- I just don''t feel that Jackson is good enough for where we are or really for where he was last year for most of the season... I don''t blame anyone for him not being as good as he might have been, his record was good I just don''t, personally, think he has done what we hoped he might.I am crying out for us to sign another striker and have said so on here plenty before- I maintain Jackson is the only ''Striker'' on our books (as opposed to Center Forwards like Martin, Holt and Moro) and think we need a better one, someone more deadly and consistent.Pace, skill and poached goals are what I''m talking about. The ability to play off the shoulder of the last man and spread panic, to put the ball away every other chance- thats not been Simeon for NCFC in most of his games. Fleck, Robbins maybe Lita are the ones I think of in a City shirt who did that job best.In all fairness to Jackson this is the wrong thread title to talk about this and there have been many less good at the role over the years- has he been a great striker for us? Not for me. Was he a bad signing? Nah, just not as good as I hoped.

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[quote user="The Iron Lady"]Indeed Graham, there is room at the top for all who work hard enough to be there, as long as they have a little talent too.Some have wanted us to sell both Morison and Jackson though, due to them performing and thus upsetting the consensus of popular opinion amongst NCFC fans.  Why would anyone want to sell any of our top 3 strikers until we have purchased better?[/quote]Very fair point- but I do want to see us get a better striker to replace Jackson.We have Holt and Moro in a similar role to each other and I''m quite sure that is why they are both doing well this year. Vaughan may have been bought to be the pacy striker to push Jackson but even if that is so, we need another! Then Wibraham can go in my book and Martin too unless he can learn to be useful in the advanced midfield role.

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[quote user="Yellow Shirt"][quote user="The Iron Lady"]Indeed Graham, there is room at the top for all who work hard enough to be there, as long as they have a little talent too.Some have wanted us to sell both Morison and Jackson though, due to them performing and thus upsetting the consensus of popular opinion amongst NCFC fans.  Why would anyone want to sell any of our top 3 strikers until we have purchased better?[/quote]Very fair point- but I do want to see us get a better striker to replace Jackson.We have Holt and Moro in a similar role to each other and I''m quite sure that is why they are both doing well this year. Vaughan may have been bought to be the pacy striker to push Jackson but even if that is so, we need another! Then Wibraham can go in my book and Martin too unless he can learn to be useful in the advanced midfield role.[/quote]Tut tut, you will be upsetting a few of our consensus of opinion types on here with that one my dear.I like you though.  You seem like a charming young man to me; one who is not afraid to voice his concerns and any successful cabinet needs more of you, not less. Keep up the good work!

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I''m sorry, but how an earth can you even question Jackson hasn''t been a great striker for us! The man scored maybe two of our most important goals in our recent history (Derby, Pompy). Have you forgotten the inspiring form he was in in those oh so crucial last games. If it wasn''t for his goals then we wouldn''t be where we are today. If that is not being as good as you hoped then please tell what you were hoping for? Sorry to keep going on about this but I thought it needed to be said.

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[quote user="brownie010"]I''m sorry, but how an earth can you even question Jackson hasn''t been a great striker for us! The man scored maybe two of our most important goals in our recent history (Derby, Pompy). Have you forgotten the inspiring form he was in in those oh so crucial last games. If it wasn''t for his goals then we wouldn''t be where we are today. If that is not being as good as you hoped then please tell what you were hoping for? Sorry to keep going on about this but I thought it needed to be said.[/quote]I think I''ve stated what I hoped for and what I hope our next striker will be.If Torres gets 10 goals between now and the end of the season and Chelsea get into next seasons Champions League but then he stops scoring again come August, will you consider him to have been a great signing for Chelsea? Maybe you will... I won''t. I also don''t and won''t doubt that he''s a very very good player but won''t consider him a Chelsea great unless he refinds form and keeps it going.If Jackson starts banging in goals in the next month and keeps it up next season I''ll consider him a good signing who takes a long time to adjust to new clubs and new leagues.

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There seems to be developing a sort of cult, "specialist" poster on this forum for whom it is, in a strange way , fashionable to have a pop at Hoolahan and Jackson.

 

Of course there will be the usual cries of "everyone''s entitled to their opinion", and I''d never dispute that, but firstly this thread is entitled "Has Lambert made a bad signing ?" , and it is ridiculous in the extreme to suggest that either Wes or Jacko could be described thus . Of course there are aspects to their game that are not perfect, but, for the money we paid, they have been very good signings . Jackson''s goals to games ratio is excellent, and Wes''s is not bad either. He provides us with an outlet that no-one else. at the club could.

 

I cannot help but think that some of the comments by the Wes and Jackson knockers are not based on fact, but are posted  for effect, to prove how "alternative" they are; to act as a sort of Devil''s Advocate, if you like.

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Further than this, can it be said that under Lambert, Norwich City have ever even played a single bad game? (MK Dons aside)There have been some mediocre ones for sure, but tbh these have often been the ones we''ve got results out of!

 

 

I agree apart from the not interested performance against MK Dons in the cup every game under Lambert we''ve had a go even games like Leyton Orient in the cup last season when we were far from 100% btu still tryed to win the game and the 3-0 defeat against Swansea where we succumbed to 2 unstoppable goals while if we''d of scorfed the game would of been closer!

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[quote user="Graham Humphrey"]When it comes to Wes it''s not based on fact purely on the grounds that Lambert didn''t sign him.[/quote]Touche''....

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[quote user="A. Purist."][quote user="Graham Humphrey"]When it comes to Wes it''s not based on fact purely on the grounds that Lambert didn''t sign him.
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Touche''....
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I may be wrong Graham but didn''t Lambert sign Wes for Livingstone when he was manager there in 2006?

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[quote user="TIL 1010"]

[quote user="A. Purist."][quote user="Graham Humphrey"]When it comes to Wes it''s not based on fact purely on the grounds that Lambert didn''t sign him.
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Touche''....
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I may be wrong Graham but didn''t Lambert sign Wes for Livingstone when he was manager there in 2006?

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Likewise, Tilly, I suppose it''s always fair to point out that Grant Holt was not actually signed by Lambert, but by Bryan Gunn.

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Yellow shirt, I''m a tad confused.You talk about Jackson not being a great ''striker'' for our club and then refer to Fleck, Robins (not spelt Robbins) and Lita.Now, Flecks goal to game ratio was roughly 1 in 3, although I seem to recall him scoring lots of goals in the various cups and not so many in the league.  So his league ratio could be 1 in 4, which is actually pretty poor for a ''striker''.  I never considered him a great finisher and scored a lot of spectacular goals, again more of forward than a great predatory ''striker''.Robins again was a 1 in 3 man.  Although I still consider him to be by far the best finisher of the 3 and fits the description of ''striker'' most closely, he only scored about 20 goals for the club, most of which in 1 season.  He had the potential to be a great ''striker'' for the club but unfortunately after season 1, this never really materialised.I agree that based purely on stats, Lita had the best goal to games ratio for us of almost 1 every 2 games.  However, he scored 3 in 1 match and 2 in another so only 2 goals in the remaining 14 games so overall it was actually pretty poor.  He was also only here for what, 3 months or so, so to deem him to be a great ''striker'' for us based on such a short period of time, is a tad unfair on his rivals.  I''m pretty sure his career at other clubs has mirrored this and I wasn''t even that impressed with him when he was on loan.  Not a great ''striker'' for our club and several others.Let''s hope in time, you can come to remember the man who scored the vital goals to get us to the Prem as a great ''striker'' rather than a bad signing.  As opposed to Fleck, a scorer of great goals rather than a great scorer of goals (and terrible 2nd time around), Robins, potentially 1 of the greatest finisher our club has seen but ultimately a bit of a 1 season wonder (albeit still 1 of my favourite players) or Lita,  a lower Prem/Champs journeyman who is currently warming the bench at a team below us in the league.      

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Jackson coming into form was very probably what got us over the line to promotion last season.   I will always remember him as one of the main reasons we clinched promotion last season.    Tremendous work rate, willingness to run himself into the ground and some very important goals.   His energy when perhaps some of the other players were beginning to tire - especially against Portsmouth - was crucial.  

 

He still seems to have to prove himself to some people - but he has scored this season even though he has not had a proper run in the team yet - and he is likely to cause problems given his pace.    A good contrast to Holt and Morison and a good goal against Fulham.  More to come from him I think.

 

 

 

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