Be Honest. If Carrow Road held 32,000 to 35,000.................

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

Would YOU still be buying a season ticket?

The additional 5 thousand plus seats mean there is always spare capacity to go if you want to or if you can. Let''s consider we remain in the EPL and therefore you might struggle with re-arranged dates.

Also, if you hold a season ticket you could lose the flexibility to sit with friends or family - I presently see plenty of supporters who are unable to bring others to games and sit with them so they don''t bring elderly relatives or children.

It''s great now, but what about the time supporters were only turning up because they had a season ticket leading to some horrendous atmospheres during the bad times.

It might be cheaper for games bought all together in advance but if you picked and chose your games based upon the team''s performances or the quality of the opposition or your own finances would that be better for you? Also, if there were seats to fill the prices might go down.

There is an unwritten law that tall buildings (prestige skyscrapers for example) are always finished in a recession because they were started in a boom. Was this the case with The Jarrold Stand? What about other Clubs expansions then falls from grace - there are many - which result in blocks of empty seats?

This will be a huge future challenge to NCFC because Clubs like us (ie Wolves) need to expand to 32-35k and fill the seats to be properly financing in the EPL. Getting it wrong can be dangerous. On other levels there are plenty of Clubs trying to find 60k stadia who are constrained by their historical sites.

But, be honest, would you definately be making the forthcoming major purchase if you knew you could almost always get a seat with a membership. I have to say I would prefer to pay as I go.

[pete_norw 0]

[quote user="RUDOLPH HUCKER"]

Would YOU still be buying a season ticket?

The additional 5 thousand plus seats mean there is always spare capacity to go if you want to or if you can. Let''s consider we remain in the EPL and therefore you might struggle with re-arranged dates.

Also, if you hold a season ticket you could lose the flexibility to sit with friends or family - I presently see plenty of supporters who are unable to bring others to games and sit with them so they don''t bring elderly relatives or children.

It''s great now, but what about the time supporters were only turning up because they had a season ticket leading to some horrendous atmospheres during the bad times.

It might be cheaper for games bought all together in advance but if you picked and chose your games based upon the team''s performances or the quality of the opposition or your own finances would that be better for you? Also, if there were seats to fill the prices might go down.

There is an unwritten law that tall buildings (prestige skyscrapers for example) are always finished in a recession because they were started in a boom. Was this the case with The Jarrold Stand? What about other Clubs expansions then falls from grace - there are many - which result in blocks of empty seats?

This will be a huge future challenge to NCFC because Clubs like us (ie Wolves) need to expand to 32-35k and fill the seats to be properly financing in the EPL. Getting it wrong can be dangerous. On other levels there are plenty of Clubs trying to find 60k stadia who are constrained by their historical sites.

But, be honest, would you definately be making the forthcoming major purchase if you knew you could almost always get a seat with a membership. I have to say I would prefer to pay as I go.

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The Short answer is YES, the long answer is YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS, NO need for reasons other than I am  a city fan, and will be at every home game as long as I am able to breath and will keep my S''T as long as I''m above ground level

 

[ryan1992 0]

Yes I''d still get a season ticket. My season ticket this year cos the same as just 4 grade A games this season! I wouldn''t say ''we are against wigan Tomorrow, I''m not interested, I''ll wait till next week for the Man Utd game'' because I go to games to see NCFC. We have around 2000 on waiting lists for season tickets and many ore wanting memberships, so we would still get sell outs most weeks, aswell as opposition fans being given a larger entitlement. If people didn''t buy season tickets, and just went when we were doing well, then some games would be simillar to Ipswich''s crowds/atmosphere''s when we were struggling, but if we had season ticket sales like how they are (ie sold out) then we will never have a crowd below 22/23000 no matter how bad we were playing!

[Bryangunnshairline 0]

I live 150 miles from carrow rd. I am a season ticket holder. I get to about 10 - 15/16,games a Season. The others I sell my seat for the going rate depending on what league we ate in. I''m in a decent spot in the barclay. I have failed to sell my seat about 2 or 3 times in the last 5/6 years. So the answer to your question is yes I would renew. I don''t lose out financially. And I''m garenteeded a seat.

["""""""""Ben """"""""""" 0]

Yes - go to games to watch NCFC whoever they play and will try to get to as many games (Home & Away) as I can.

[nutty nigel 7,967]

I would definitely. But Rudolph makes a good point. As usual. Many people were turning up to moan in Worthy''s last season. The atmosphere at times was awful. The cheering of opposition goals and fights in and outside the ground between our own fans. Much worse than when we were relegated a few seasons later. Would have been better all round if those people who couldn''t support their team had stayed at home[:-*][:|]

[KeelansGlove 0]

I think its a valid point. I have had a season ticket for over 20 years although I am down in Southampton every other week so I dont manage to get to all games and some seasons only get to about half, its not always easy to get someone to use my ticket even for a nominal fee to offset the cost of my season ticket (not this season of course). The Only season I didnt have one was the League 1 season. It was sort of a semi protest at how the club was being run although I still planned to and attended all the games I could get to. It was such a nightmare getting tickets having to sit in lots of different areas I decided quite early I would get one again thereafter (even before be were looking like being promoted)

Its a different experience sitting in the same place regularly, getting to know the people around you and having a bit of chat.

The one think we do have to bear in mind is the future of the club. Whatever was done wrong by Delia over the first 10 or so years it has to be said that some things were done right. The support we enjoy these days is baffling. I remember when we had that great team in the 90s crowds were regularly only 18,000 yet we were getting 23-24,000 in League one.

If we do invest in getting the capacity of the ground up to 32-35000 we have to manage this additional space wisely. The years of Kids for a quid are obviously bearing fruit. If suddenly people knew they could just turn up and get in Im sure we would lose some season ticket sales. Perhaps it would be better to give away tickets in a new undersubscribed area rather than risk this. Perhaps to various schools on rotation to get a new generation of supporters.

I think it is likely we could manage a capacity of 32K with little worry especially if we were then able to have a properly segragated away area.

If the plans for expansion can be based of 4k at a time we could grow into 31-32 before we had to consider additional investment to move to 35.

[Ruddygore 0]

It''s a great question and op and yet the answer is still "yes". We share our season tickets now because at the moment we have had to move away and can only make a few games (and tbh when we have it hasn''t necessarily just been the "big" games) but our friends who we share with had been in the position of suddenly finding it impossible to get tickets with the move to the PL so it''s worked out very well.

Even so if it was just us of course we''d keep our STs, they are our little bit of "heaven" to always keep hold of, I like sitting in the group we sit with and we couldn''t afford to go to all the games we''d want to paying the full price in all honesty.

Very good point about the mausoleums that have been built and are now half empty though. Living up here in the North East for the moment we could go to virtually any game we choose except the "Big 3". Preston NE is half empty! Their hopes a few years ago of making it into the PL were dashed on the rocks and their lovely large stadium has been abandoned by the glory hunters and even some of their diehards but I just can''t imagine that happening with Carrow Rd and yet it''s the same for Bolton, Blackburn and Wigan to a certain extent - you could always get a spec ticket if you wanted a quiet afternoon.

No, our season tickets are our lease on some very special real estate and watching NCFC from anywhere else now would be just wrong!

[canaryfairy 0]

Interesting post but you say, "...be honest, would you definately be making the forthcoming major purchase if you knew you could almost always get a seat with a membership. I have to say I would prefer to pay as I go."

I''m a (super) member and currently you can ALWAYS get a seat with a membership! - but season tickets are much cheaper.

[Harry 0]

Apart from 12 years when I lived and worked away I''ve had season tickets since the 80''s and that wouldn''t change, I love the view from my seat and wouldn''t want to give that up.

[Aggy 944]

Maybe at 35000, but do you think there''d be that many spare seats at 32000? I''m not so sure. Financially, it would make more sense to get the season ticket anyway; but even if that wasn''t the case, I''m not sure that at 32000 you would have quite as much freedom as you wanted. And whilst you mention that with a season ticket you may be restricted in sitting next to who you want - well I certainly don''t think that there will be many big groups of seats available in a 32000 seater.

[Sing Up The South Stand 0]

Absolutely, the only thing that would stop me having a season ticket is finances.  And even if things got tighter, the season ticket would be the last thing I give up.

[nutty nigel 7,967]

[quote user="Sing Up The South Stand"]Absolutely, the only thing that would stop me having a season ticket is finances.  And even if things got tighter, the season ticket would be the last thing I give up.[/quote]

 

I expect this is the truth for many of us. And the one single thing that would make a significant number not renew would be the interest free credit facility where we pay monthly.

 

 

[grantroederdisaster 0]

Yes I would still buy a season ticket because the way ST prices and matchday ticket prices are structured these days if you want to go regularly and aren''t rich then the cheapest way is to get a season ticket which can then be paid for by being spread over the year with the interest free D/D.

 

I think most current season tickets would be in this same scanario and I think they''d be many more current non season ticket holders who''d purchase ST''s if we had the extra capacity!

 

With these price structures and the current financial hardships of most people, I can''t see where the old myth that "if we made the ground bigger many ST holders would not renew cause they knew they''d be more casual tickets available" would really be the case! 

 

If we continue in the Premiership over the next 2-3 years and maintain our status then expanding the Carrow Road capacity is a no brainer if the club is to continue to grow bigger.  

[grantroederdisaster 0]

["Aggy"]Maybe at 35000, but do you think there''d be that many spare seats at 32000? I''m not so sure. Financially, it would make more sense to get the season ticket anyway; but even if that wasn''t the case, I''m not sure that at 32000 you would have quite as much freedom as you wanted. And whilst you mention that with a season ticket you may be restricted in sitting next to who you want - well I certainly don''t think that there will be many big groups of seats available in a 32000 seater.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personnally I think if Carrow Road currently held 32,000, we''d be getting capacity/or close to capacity 32,000 crowds for every home Premiership game the same as we''re now getting 26,000+ crowds every game in a useable capacity of 26,800ish. Essentially even with an increased capcity of 32,000 we''d be in the same boat as we''re in now with the demand far exceeding the supply!

[grantroederdisaster 0]

["Aggy"]Maybe at 35000, but do you think there''d be that many spare seats at 32000? I''m not so sure. Financially, it would make more sense to get the season ticket anyway; but even if that wasn''t the case, I''m not sure that at 32000 you would have quite as much freedom as you wanted. And whilst you mention that with a season ticket you may be restricted in sitting next to who you want - well I certainly don''t think that there will be many big groups of seats available in a 32000 seater.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personnally I think if Carrow Road currently held 32,000, we''d be getting capacity/or close to capacity 32,000 crowds for every home Premiership game the same as we''re now getting 26,000+ crowds every game in a useable capacity of 26,800ish. Essentially even with an increased capcity of 32,000 we''d be in the same boat as we''re in now with the demand far exceeding the supply!

[William Darby 0]

[quote user="RUDOLPH HUCKER"]

Would YOU still be buying a season ticket?

The additional 5 thousand plus seats mean there is always spare capacity to go if you want to or if you can. Let''s consider we remain in the EPL and therefore you might struggle with re-arranged dates.

Also, if you hold a season ticket you could lose the flexibility to sit with friends or family - I presently see plenty of supporters who are unable to bring others to games and sit with them so they don''t bring elderly relatives or children.

It''s great now, but what about the time supporters were only turning up because they had a season ticket leading to some horrendous atmospheres during the bad times.

It might be cheaper for games bought all together in advance but if you picked and chose your games based upon the team''s performances or the quality of the opposition or your own finances would that be better for you? Also, if there were seats to fill the prices might go down.

There is an unwritten law that tall buildings (prestige skyscrapers for example) are always finished in a recession because they were started in a boom. Was this the case with The Jarrold Stand? What about other Clubs expansions then falls from grace - there are many - which result in blocks of empty seats?

This will be a huge future challenge to NCFC because Clubs like us (ie Wolves) need to expand to 32-35k and fill the seats to be properly financing in the EPL. Getting it wrong can be dangerous. On other levels there are plenty of Clubs trying to find 60k stadia who are constrained by their historical sites.

But, be honest, would you definitely be making the forthcoming major purchase if you knew you could almost always get a seat with a membership. I have to say I would prefer to pay as I go.

[/quote]Look, it all comes down to the £ in your pocket.  Whatever happens STs renewed at the earliest date will equate far better value for your average fan, than shelling out greater amounts on a PAYG season.I''m definitely sure that they''d be 100s if not 1000s of ST holders who would not attend every match if they had to lay out £40-£50 per game.  Bung on another £20 each for the kids with dad''s ticket... you get the picture.

[Candles blowing in the wind 0]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

[quote user="Sing Up The South Stand"]Absolutely, the only thing that would stop me having a season ticket is finances.  And even if things got tighter, the season ticket would be the last thing I give up.[/quote]

 

I expect this is the truth for many of us. And the one single thing that would make a significant number not renew would be the interest free credit facility where we pay monthly.

 

 

[/quote]So it is your considered opinion that a significant number only renew because they can pay in full up front. Well worked out. Well done!

[drurys testamonials V 15 0]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

[quote user="Sing Up The South Stand"]Absolutely, the only thing that would stop me having a season ticket is finances.  And even if things got tighter, the season ticket would be the last thing I give up.[/quote]

 

I expect this is the truth for many of us. And the one single thing that would make a significant number not renew would be the interest free credit facility where we pay monthly.

 

 

[/quote]I think you forgot to say if this facility were removed.Interestingly there is a £5 charge for using this facility this year so really you are paying about 45p a month to use it which is still very reasonable

[nutty nigel 7,967]

[quote user="drurys testamonials mark 15"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

[quote user="Sing Up The South Stand"]Absolutely, the only thing that would stop me having a season ticket is finances.  And even if things got tighter, the season ticket would be the last thing I give up.[/quote]

 

I expect this is the truth for many of us. And the one single thing that would make a significant number not renew would be the interest free credit facility where we pay monthly.

 

 

[/quote]

I think you forgot to say if this facility were removed.

Interestingly there is a £5 charge for using this facility this year so really you are paying about 45p a month to use it which is still very reasonable
[/quote]

Yes, that''s exactly what I meant Mark[Y]

 

When are you 16 buddy [^][<:o)]

 

 

[yellow blood 0]

There''s also the hassle factor of remembering when you have to book tickets, either getting the engaged tone on the phone or being stuck in a long queue. Yes, there is internet booking but again you have to remember when to book so my answer will always be Yes

[Sing up the river end 0]

I think the way that Mr McNally has structured the ticket prices,I would be surprised of anyone gave their ticket up.The difference is immense.If your planning on going to half the games you are better off keeping your ST.

I for one wouldn''t give it up.Would be interesting as to what would happen if we became a mid-table championship side again though.Then clearly we would struggle to sell 24k let alone 32

[TIL 1010 5,304]

[quote user="drurys testamonials mark 15"]Interestingly there is a £5 charge for using this facility this year so really you are paying about 45p a month to use it which is still very reasonable
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I may be wrong mark but i think the £5 admin charge started for this 2011/2012 season.

[grantroederdisaster 0]

The £5 admin fee for the D/D''s started this season!

 

Yes we wouldn''t fill a 32,000 ground if we were middling along in the Championship but the whole idea of rasing capacity is to make us more sustainable in the top flight, although we averaged not much under 25,000 in the 2008/09 Championship relegation season and averaged ore the next season in the Third Division!

 

If we did end up having a mid or below that season in the Championship and we had thousands of empty seats, I hope the board would be sensible enough to adjust casual prices accordingly! 

[Statler & Waldorf 0]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

Yes, that''s exactly what I meant Mark[Y]

When are you 16 buddy [^][<:o)]

[quote user="TIL 1010"]

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I may be wrong mark but i think the £5 admin charge started for this 2011/2012 season.

[/quote]"Do doo do-be-do, phenomena, de do do doo, phenomena!"

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

I am very surprised at how slowly the tickets sold for the FA Cup game against Leicester.

 

This is the fifth round, the ticket prices are reduced, the away support has been cut, Norwich are going great guns, in all term this is an attractive and lucrative match. And yet ticket sales were slow and some may still be available.

 

Does this not prove that our attendances are wholly underpinned by the season ticket schemes? Take away the pre-bought tickets and we struggle to sell out 27,000. No way would we be selling 32,000 or 35,000 for this game even giving the opposition fans 15%.

 

If Norwich City decide to expand their ground they are going to have to be very careful about the number of casual tickets they keep. They are going to have to continue to sell bulk season tickets because this fixture proves our supporters can be fickle too.

 

No way should Leicester fans be getting a look in in home areas because the demand from season ticket holders should have hoovered the seats up and it would be like a Prem game.

 

I will be very disappointed if there is anything under 26,000 tomorrow. This fixture should have commanded higher prices; in that the Club got it right because at higher prices a lot of seats would have been unsold.

[BroadstairsR 2,273]

In answer to the orinal question. With that sort of capacity the gound would be surely full for every game the way things are going at the moment.

 

There are far more at a distance (country) supporter than you realise, in fact higher than ten times the current gate. I posted that Morgan Research Companie''s results earlier this week.

 

WE cannot get a casual ticket now without connections and because decisions to attend are usually last minute due to other factors.

 

I go when my season ticket holding son is unable to attend or to the occasional game in the smoke.

 

An increased capacity may well lead to a few shrewd season ticket holders working out the odds, but it would be marvellous for us lot and there are many many more of us than you luckies who can attend every game.  

[nutty nigel 7,967]

I don''t think it would be full for every game. I don''t even think it would be full for half the games. If there was a larger capacity and tickets were more easily available then it  would be full for the big games but I think attendances would be down for the others. The next 2 home league matches are Manchester United and Wigan. I''d be interested to compare the interest that''s been shown in each.

 

If the club realistically thought they could sell out the stadium at match day prices I''m pretty sure they''d put season tickets up even more and chance losing a small percentage of ST holders.

 

 

[BroadstairsR 2,273]

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=601026

 

Like I said, far more of us than you. We would fill the ground, although it wouldn''t always be the same faces.

[PurpleCanary 6,467]

[quote user="RUDOLPH HUCKER"]

I am very surprised at how slowly the tickets sold for the FA Cup game against Leicester.

 

This is the fifth round, the ticket prices are reduced, the away support has been cut, Norwich are going great guns, in all term this is an attractive and lucrative match. And yet ticket sales were slow and some may still be available.

 

Does this not prove that our attendances are wholly underpinned by the season ticket schemes? Take away the pre-bought tickets and we struggle to sell out 27,000. No way would we be selling 32,000 or 35,000 for this game even giving the opposition fans 15%.

 

If Norwich City decide to expand their ground they are going to have to be very careful about the number of casual tickets they keep. They are going to have to continue to sell bulk season tickets because this fixture proves our supporters can be fickle too.

 

No way should Leicester fans be getting a look in in home areas because the demand from season ticket holders should have hoovered the seats up and it would be like a Prem game.

 

I will be very disappointed if there is anything under 26,000 tomorrow. This fixture should have commanded higher prices; in that the Club got it right because at higher prices a lot of seats would have been unsold.

[/quote]

 

But Rudolph, if there are any Leicester fans in home areas it will probably some of the 1,600 who should have been accommodated in the 4,000-seat away FA Cup area in the Jarrold but were denied on what look like very spurious reasons!

 

As it happens, because the away area is even smaller for this game than for PL games (2,400 seats as opposed to a maximum, I believe, of 2,700) the club has probably found itself with increased home capacity of a couple of hundred or so seats. Given that, it would not be a surprise if some Leicester fans did get into home areas, and good luck to them.

 

As to whether today''s attendance (which will probably be close to capacity) will be a sign that we don''t perhaps need as big a stadium as Bowkett and McNally keep saying, we shall see. The other question raised by this in the long term is where do we accommodate away fans IF we increase capacity to, say, 35,000? It would have to be an area of 4,000 seats, for FA Cup games. We won''t always be playing clubs with which we have supposed problems. Even for PL games it would be - currently but it might get raised - 3,000.

 

So still in The Jarrold, which the club seems to find not ideal? Especially for FA Cup games. It would be half the stand, and would mean moving people who, wrongly, seem to expect their season ticket effectively guarantees them that seat for all games. Hard, though, to see where else. It would have to be a tier at one of the ends. Again, not ideal.