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http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/?from=top_navi

Quite a comprehensive site, even though some of the player values are questionable.

Have a look at norwich and see what you think if you haven''t already.

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Hmm, Drury is worth more than Tierney, Crofts, R.Martin, Lansbury, Jackson and C.Martin.... I still think Drury has something to offer, but he certainly isn''t worth much at all now.

Some of those values are a bit silly.

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[quote user="Gingerpele"]Hmm, Drury is worth more than Tierney, Crofts, R.Martin, Lansbury, Jackson and C.Martin.... I still think Drury has something to offer, but he certainly isn''t worth much at all now.

Some of those values are a bit silly.[/quote]''Some''?I''d go so far as to say i''d contest every single price evaluation on that list in relation to Norwich.

I find that these sites are never reliable though, and i''d be shocked if they so much as entered the ball park in actual fact.

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[quote user="John"][quote user="Gingerpele"]Hmm, Drury is worth more than Tierney, Crofts, R.Martin, Lansbury, Jackson and C.Martin.... I still think Drury has something to offer, but he certainly isn''t worth much at all now. Some of those values are a bit silly.[/quote]

''Some''?

I''d go so far as to say i''d contest every single price evaluation on that list in relation to Norwich.


I find that these sites are never reliable though, and i''d be shocked if they so much as entered the ball park in actual fact.
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I think you might be taking it too literally. It goes without saying that the prices are someones guess. Player prices are a matter of opinion and simply a reflection of status and desire. Example: Fernando Torres isn''t woth 50 mil, so what is he worth and how do you guage that? Do you compare him to other players? If so, who? And on what? Do you compare his fee to other players fees? Do you factor in his age, wage demands, prospects, injurys, stats, demand. It''s a price tag plucked out of the sky that happens to suit all parties at that particular time. So don''t get too strung on the prices of the players on this site. I was just impressed with the comprehensive database.

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http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/grant-holt/profil/spieler_13412.html

Bit of a ''moody'' picture of Grant Holt

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[quote user="Yellow Rages"]

[quote user="John"][quote user="Gingerpele"]Hmm, Drury is worth more than Tierney, Crofts, R.Martin, Lansbury, Jackson and C.Martin.... I still think Drury has something to offer, but he certainly isn''t worth much at all now. Some of those values are a bit silly.[/quote]

''Some''?

I''d go so far as to say i''d contest every single price evaluation on that list in relation to Norwich.


I find that these sites are never reliable though, and i''d be shocked if they so much as entered the ball park in actual fact.
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I think you might be taking it too literally. It goes without saying that the prices are someones guess. Player prices are a matter of opinion and simply a reflection of status and desire. Example: Fernando Torres isn''t woth 50 mil, so what is he worth and how do you guage that? Do you compare him to other players? If so, who? And on what? Do you compare his fee to other players fees? Do you factor in his age, wage demands, prospects, injurys, stats, demand. It''s a price tag plucked out of the sky that happens to suit all parties at that particular time. So don''t get too strung on the prices of the players on this site. I was just impressed with the comprehensive database.

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I would also add that if you were ever able to find a site that could magically know the price of any player if that were ever possible (somehow hypnotising every prospective buyer into believing it) then buy the site not the player and Bill Gates will be your butler.

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[quote user="Give Peas a Chance "]http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/grant-holt/profil/spieler_13412.html Bit of a ''moody'' picture of Grant Holt[/quote]

have you seen Lansbury''s ''mad hair''

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[quote user="Yellow Rages"]

[quote user="Give Peas a Chance "]http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/grant-holt/profil/spieler_13412.html Bit of a ''moody'' picture of Grant Holt[/quote]

have you seen Lansbury''s ''mad hair''

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Lol he looks like a completely different person. Suprised that Barnett is our highest valued player at £2.2m, according to them.

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[quote user="Yellow Rages"][quote user="Yellow Rages"]

[quote user="John"][quote user="Gingerpele"]Hmm, Drury is worth more than Tierney, Crofts, R.Martin, Lansbury, Jackson and C.Martin.... I still think Drury has something to offer, but he certainly isn''t worth much at all now. Some of those values are a bit silly.[/quote]''Some''?I''d go so far as to say i''d contest every single price evaluation on that list in relation to Norwich.

I find that these sites are never reliable though, and i''d be shocked if they so much as entered the ball park in actual fact.[/quote]

 

I think you might be taking it too literally. It goes without saying that the prices are someones guess. Player prices are a matter of opinion and simply a reflection of status and desire. Example: Fernando Torres isn''t woth 50 mil, so what is he worth and how do you guage that? Do you compare him to other players? If so, who? And on what? Do you compare his fee to other players fees? Do you factor in his age, wage demands, prospects, injurys, stats, demand. It''s a price tag plucked out of the sky that happens to suit all parties at that particular time. So don''t get too strung on the prices of the players on this site. I was just impressed with the comprehensive database.

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I would also add that if you were ever able to find a site that could magically know the price of any player if that were ever possible (somehow hypnotising every prospective buyer into believing it) then buy the site not the player and Bill Gates will be your butler.

[/quote]All good points Rages, and in honesty, on no basis would i dispute with you. There are multiple factors that yeild to a progression of variables that no website or area of domain could feasibly hope to account for - and if there is one, i''m all in!My issue in the first instance, while seemingly out of place (it is after all, as you say, an impressive database), is the inkling of acknowledgement and reliability afforded to the ''off the wall'' price evaluations that don''t deserve the recognition they are given.My criticism wasn''t entirely necessary, but it''s best the weaker parts of the site are undermined so we can concentrate on it''s actual worth, rather than this constant cycle of fascination in the absurdity of it''s weaker elements (so i''m on your side really - i''m just being a bit of a pedant [;)]).

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The values are the thoughts of a comedy genius, ''tis true - but I''m guessing that these are the values at the start of this year and don''t take into account the gargantuan performances of the lads towards the end of the season.I would expect them to be a lot different now.OTJ for just about the price of RM and Tierney is still making me laugh now!

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Sorry was meant to say MacNamee for nearly the same as RM and Tierney !!

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[quote user="Give Peas a Chance "]http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/grant-holt/profil/spieler_13412.html Bit of a ''moody'' picture of Grant Holt[/quote]

I know you said that Kathy still owes you a pint from Southend a while back but you really do not value your life putting statements like that on here for her to read do you Jez.[:P]

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[quote user="TIL 1010"]

[quote user="Give Peas a Chance "]http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/grant-holt/profil/spieler_13412.html Bit of a ''moody'' picture of Grant Holt[/quote]

I know you said that Kathy still owes you a pint from Southend a while back but you really do not value your life putting statements like that on here for her to read do you Jez.[:P]

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I dont mind a bit of moody............

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A sad trainspotters hobby with little relevance to reality.

A player has NO FIXED worth. The cost of transfering a players registration from one club to the other is usually determined more by the buying club than the selling club - as the podgy Barry Fry found out a few months back.

City''s last accounts blew out of the water the farcical nonsense that was being spouted by the terminally dim with regard to incoming players transfer fees. The Dave Strikiva (!) signing should have explained that. It was claimed that we had paid £750,000 fpr him whereas taht was the total cost of his three year contract with us. I would suggest that also cover a few other recent signings.

Does it all really matter, is it no more than horoscopes in magazines, where an IQ in double figures would be enough to know they are nonsesnse ? Probably not in the general run of things. However as experience has shown there are those that regard this type of sh!te as gospel and will use it to make all manner of farcical claims against the club, the directors, the manager etc.

Something is worth what someone will pay for it.

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[quote user="City1st"]A sad trainspotters hobby with little relevance to reality. A player has NO FIXED worth. The cost of transfering a players registration from one club to the other is usually determined more by the buying club than the selling club - as the podgy Barry Fry found out a few months back. City''s last accounts blew out of the water the farcical nonsense that was being spouted by the terminally dim with regard to incoming players transfer fees. The Dave Strikiva (!) signing should have explained that. It was claimed that we had paid £750,000 fpr him whereas taht was the total cost of his three year contract with us. I would suggest that also cover a few other recent signings. Does it all really matter, is it no more than horoscopes in magazines, where an IQ in double figures would be enough to know they are nonsesnse ? Probably not in the general run of things. However as experience has shown there are those that regard this type of sh!te as gospel and will use it to make all manner of farcical claims against the club, the directors, the manager etc. Something is worth what someone will pay for it.[/quote]

 

See my response to John and infact Johns second post and you could have saved yourself the time in writing this.

 

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[quote user="Yellow Rages"]http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/?from=top_navi Quite a comprehensive site, even though some of the player values are questionable. Have a look at norwich and see what you think if you haven''t already.[/quote]

Yes...

As I mention in one of the posts below.  Every couple of months, someone stumbles across it and starts quoting their figure - often as actual values, rather than the VERY flawed estimates that they are.

http://services.pinkun.com/FORUMS/PINKUN/CS/forums/2112590/ShowPost.aspx

http://services.pinkun.com/FORUMS/PINKUN/CS/forums/1965398/ShowPost.aspx

http://services.pinkun.com/FORUMS/PINKUN/CS/forums/1864359/ShowPost.aspx

http://services.pinkun.com/FORUMS/PINKUN/CS/forums/1766791/ShowPost.aspx

http://services.pinkun.com/FORUMS/PINKUN/CS/forums/1974987/ShowPost.aspx

http://services.pinkun.com/FORUMS/PINKUN/CS/forums/2300299/ShowPost.aspx

http://services.pinkun.com/FORUMS/PINKUN/CS/forums/2425927/ShowPost.aspx

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[quote user="dhickl"]

[quote user="Yellow Rages"]http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/?from=top_navi Quite a comprehensive site, even though some of the player values are questionable. Have a look at norwich and see what you think if you haven''t already.[/quote]

Yes...

As I mention in one of the posts below.  Every couple of months, someone stumbles across it and starts quoting their figure - often as actual values, rather than the VERY flawed estimates that they are.

http://services.pinkun.com/FORUMS/PINKUN/CS/forums/2112590/ShowPost.aspx

http://services.pinkun.com/FORUMS/PINKUN/CS/forums/1965398/ShowPost.aspx

http://services.pinkun.com/FORUMS/PINKUN/CS/forums/1864359/ShowPost.aspx

http://services.pinkun.com/FORUMS/PINKUN/CS/forums/1766791/ShowPost.aspx

http://services.pinkun.com/FORUMS/PINKUN/CS/forums/1974987/ShowPost.aspx

http://services.pinkun.com/FORUMS/PINKUN/CS/forums/2300299/ShowPost.aspx

http://services.pinkun.com/FORUMS/PINKUN/CS/forums/2425927/ShowPost.aspx

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I''ll look out for this and see if someone does actually start quoting the figures. That would be interesting. But aside this and more importantly to me and more specifically about the point of this thread, I do quite like the volume of ''actual'' data available on worldwide clubs in general.

 

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