THE SUN - QPR SET TO BE STRIPPED OF THE TITLE.

[Liam 0]

I''d rather take a hard earned 2nd place then get 1st from a default.

[Ruddygore 0]

Yeah, I don''t think anyone has brought this up before OP. Personally I for one am glad that someone has at last started a thread on the subject.

[Tim Allman 1]

I’ve read that ALL the evidence must be present at the hearing so if QPR are punished and after the verdict they say, “Hey look we’ve just found this”, it’s inadmissible. The appeal time is very short four days and two to hear the appeal so it will be resolved one way or another very quickly.

 

And I understand that the the only grounds for appeal is how harsh the punishment is and nothing else.

 

This twitter account is also interesting, but I''ve no idea if it is genuine or not!!

 

http://twitter.com/#!/Smudge1962

 

 

[barclaystand 0]

[quote user="pete"]

If QPR do not receive stiff punishment, 3rd party ownership will be condoned and can never be stamped out.

From BBC website:

The Sun quoted an FA source as saying: "There''s no question QPR have broken the rules. They know it as well. The only debate is what to do about it.

"If they aren''t found guilty you might as well scrap the rules about third-party owners."

15 point deduction will stop the cheating by the billionaires.  Personally to see QPR and Colin suffer would put the cherry on the cake this season, the cake being City''s deserved promotion. 

[/quote]A very valid point.

[Cantiaci Canary 556]

QPR will get a 3 point punishment at most ... and they will appeal even that.

They wouldn''t leave it until they have secured promotion if there was even a chance that their end of season fortunes would be affected.

[priceyrice 123]

[quote user="Sideshow Tim"]Let me throw this scenario into the pot.

We finish behind Cardiff next Saturday evening, QPR are found guilty and docked enough points to send then into the play-offs. We are, in mean time, ''promoted''. QPR subsequently appeal against the decision and get knocked out of the play-offs challenge.

The appeal goes on during the summer. Whilst any appeal takes place we remain unsure whether QPR will be successful with their appeal. Therefore we are not yet a Premier League club.

How can we prepare for the Premier League if we are unsure whether or not we will have the Premier League money to back us?

The timing for this is absolutely crazy however it is going to be a very interesting week.

I just bloody hope that we take 6 points from our next 2 games.

OTBC[/quote]QPR have up to 7 days to lodge their appeal i think and then it would be heard straight away. I think we will see QPR drop into the playoff places, noone outside the playoff can then complain as there would have been a points deduction- an already large penalty. The only team to complain would be QPR. I think the FA will prevent this by putting the charges on them and saying if you look to appeal there is every chance the penalty will be doubled rather than abolished.

[@jayncfc 0]

[quote user="Tim Allman"]

I’ve read that ALL the evidence must be present at the hearing so if QPR are punished and after the verdict they say, “Hey look we’ve just found this”, it’s inadmissible. The appeal time is very short four days and two to hear the appeal so it will be resolved one way or another very quickly.

 

And I understand that the the only grounds for appeal is how harsh the punishment is and nothing else.

 

This twitter account is also interesting, but I''ve no idea if it is genuine or not!!

 

http://twitter.com/#!/Smudge1962

 

 

[/quote]From his Twitter account,"The FA are told it''s around £600,000 and then QPR suddenly claim it could be £3.5m. Know wonder the FA came calling"I doubt any fledgling journo would misspell no and know! Idiot! Two completely different words and meanings, know wonder doesn''t even exist I don''t think. It even had me doubting it, but here an actual use by a real journalist.[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/vince-cable-no-wonder-the-tories-are-so-scared-of-av-2277232.html[/url]

[Legend Iwan 30]

The FA will bottle it again! The issue is they ahve also made mistakes in this whole case wiht initially allowing the player to sign. I reckon they will offer a token 4 or 5 point deduction, which will still see them promoted as Champions (bar losing on the final day) and a hefty fine.

[Howson is now! 0]

[quote user="Cantiaci Canary"]QPR will get a 3 point punishment at most ... and they will appeal even that.

They wouldn''t leave it until they have secured promotion if there was even a chance that their end of season fortunes would be affected.[/quote]They let Swindon go all the way to the playoff finals, take all their fans to Wembley, watch them win, and then relegate them afterwards.

[Reykjavik Canary 0]

1. The charges faced by QPR are extremely serious and are fundamentally

two-fold. That they broke third party player ownership rules that were

clearly established and made clear to all clubs after the Tevez affair,

and that (in my view more seriously) they then attempted to cover up

this breach in October 2010 by submitting falsified documents to the FA.

2. A lot of people compare the QPR situation to West Ham''s with Tevez,

however when charged West Ham held their hands up immediately and many

feel this helped them avoid a points deduction, plus there was never any

real suggestion of attempted fraud, ultimately it was found that they

had broken the rules but, lets say, they had perhaps been naive of the

rules. QPR on the other hand have refuted the claims the FA have brought

(which as we have seen with Rooney recently doesn''t go down well with

the FA), and we have the added issue of an attempted fraud.

3. This fraud element moves this into a very different scenario and one

which people haven''t suggested as a comparison, but here goes 1990

Swindon Town. If you''re not old enough to remember Swindon won promotion

from what became the Championship to what would become the Premier

League via the play-offs but were found guilty of making illegal

payments to players and a few weeks later were relegated two divisions

by the FA this was later reduced to a one division relegation and they

found themselves back in the Championship.

4. It is this precedent may mean that QPR will face a points deduction at least.

5. Many people have said that the FA have screwed up by delaying the

decision until the last week of the season.This is entirely deliberate

and is ultimately the right way to have handled this - consider the

Swindon example from 1990. The charges against Swindon were identified

well before the end of season playoffs but the FA sensibly allowed the

season to run its course with all teams trying their best. Some might

say it was cruel to Swindon fans to let them experience promotion

however had they lost the playoffs presumably they would have been

relegated to what became League One, instead of back to the Championship

i.e the faced a one division relegation as their penalty regardless of

how they finished up. Possibly the FA are using this as a precedent, to

give no indication of a points deduction so that all teams play to their

potential without bringing the integrity of this Championship season

into question. QPR may need to gain promotion to the Premier League in

order that they are relegated back to the Championship and not League

One as with the Swindon case.

6. Consider if QPR had been given a 10 point, 30 point or even a

relegation as a punishment announced in March. How would this have

affected their own players approach to remaining matches and what impact

would that have had on the points earned by the teams they later played

who could have had an unfair advantage playing against a team that had

psychologically imploded. Far more sensible to delay any announcement so

that everyone assumes no points will be deducted, so the chasing pack

give it their all and assume that 3rd place misses auto-promotion, and

7th place misses the play-offs. This would ensure that no one can have

any complaints of unfair advantage when a decision is made.

7. Also if a relegation is the penalty imposed then if this had been

announced in March it would have meant QPR would have had to gain

promotion to the Premier League to ensure they stayed in the

Championship. This would clearly be an intolerable position to put them

in at that time or indeed for the other clubs so the FA, by delaying the

decision, have ensured the integrity of the season, and also giving a

massive hidden clue that a points deduction at least is guaranteed.

Consider the alternative, if it was just a fine then impose it now, why

wait?

8. Points deductions are imposed for far less serious offences. A club

going into administration, which mostly happens due to mismanagement and

not fraud guarantees a 10 point deduction. Luton Town were deducted 10

points for illegal agent payments and a further 20 points for issues

around their administration status. This effectively relegated them out

of the Football League! QPR should be looking at a minimum 10 point

penalty plus an additional penalty for attempting to deceive the FA. The

treatment of Luton Town demonstrates that the FA will impose the rules

ruthlessly regardless of the implications to the punished club. Hereford

and Torquay were deducted 3 points and 1 point respectively for each

fielding an illegible player in their match on 1st February. This was

the day after the transfer window closed and basically resulted from

clerical errors in the form filling process of players signed in the

last few hours of the transfer window. So a cock up, not fraud, but

resulted in points being docked. If QPR don''t get a points deduction for

what they have done then it will fly in the face of the precedent set

down to all other clubs.

9. In summary possibly QPR will face something like a 30 point penalty

deduction, as that is the scale of the seriousness of the offences,

which assuming they fill one of the top two slots will equate to a

relegation. All this talk of legal cases are a smoke screen. The FA have

QPR bang to rights and determining the penalty is all that needs to be

agreed. They are going to take a very dim view of the attempt to deceive

them, as they did with Luton Town.

10. A 30 point deduction would place QPR out of even the play off mix, allowing for the playoffs to proceed unhindered.This post is not written by me. It is taken of a Portsmouth forum, written by pfclassof61.

[Reykjavik Canary 0]

1. The charges faced by QPR are extremely serious and are fundamentally

two-fold. That they broke third party player ownership rules that were

clearly established and made clear to all clubs after the Tevez affair,

and that (in my view more seriously) they then attempted to cover up

this breach in October 2010 by submitting falsified documents to the FA.

2. A lot of people compare the QPR situation to West Ham''s with Tevez,

however when charged West Ham held their hands up immediately and many

feel this helped them avoid a points deduction, plus there was never any

real suggestion of attempted fraud, ultimately it was found that they

had broken the rules but, lets say, they had perhaps been naive of the

rules. QPR on the other hand have refuted the claims the FA have brought

(which as we have seen with Rooney recently doesn''t go down well with

the FA), and we have the added issue of an attempted fraud.

3. This fraud element moves this into a very different scenario and one

which people haven''t suggested as a comparison, but here goes 1990

Swindon Town. If you''re not old enough to remember Swindon won promotion

from what became the Championship to what would become the Premier

League via the play-offs but were found guilty of making illegal

payments to players and a few weeks later were relegated two divisions

by the FA this was later reduced to a one division relegation and they

found themselves back in the Championship.

4. It is this precedent may mean that QPR will face a points deduction at least.

5. Many people have said that the FA have screwed up by delaying the

decision until the last week of the season.This is entirely deliberate

and is ultimately the right way to have handled this - consider the

Swindon example from 1990. The charges against Swindon were identified

well before the end of season playoffs but the FA sensibly allowed the

season to run its course with all teams trying their best. Some might

say it was cruel to Swindon fans to let them experience promotion

however had they lost the playoffs presumably they would have been

relegated to what became League One, instead of back to the Championship

i.e the faced a one division relegation as their penalty regardless of

how they finished up. Possibly the FA are using this as a precedent, to

give no indication of a points deduction so that all teams play to their

potential without bringing the integrity of this Championship season

into question. QPR may need to gain promotion to the Premier League in

order that they are relegated back to the Championship and not League

One as with the Swindon case.

6. Consider if QPR had been given a 10 point, 30 point or even a

relegation as a punishment announced in March. How would this have

affected their own players approach to remaining matches and what impact

would that have had on the points earned by the teams they later played

who could have had an unfair advantage playing against a team that had

psychologically imploded. Far more sensible to delay any announcement so

that everyone assumes no points will be deducted, so the chasing pack

give it their all and assume that 3rd place misses auto-promotion, and

7th place misses the play-offs. This would ensure that no one can have

any complaints of unfair advantage when a decision is made.

7. Also if a relegation is the penalty imposed then if this had been

announced in March it would have meant QPR would have had to gain

promotion to the Premier League to ensure they stayed in the

Championship. This would clearly be an intolerable position to put them

in at that time or indeed for the other clubs so the FA, by delaying the

decision, have ensured the integrity of the season, and also giving a

massive hidden clue that a points deduction at least is guaranteed.

Consider the alternative, if it was just a fine then impose it now, why

wait?

8. Points deductions are imposed for far less serious offences. A club

going into administration, which mostly happens due to mismanagement and

not fraud guarantees a 10 point deduction. Luton Town were deducted 10

points for illegal agent payments and a further 20 points for issues

around their administration status. This effectively relegated them out

of the Football League! QPR should be looking at a minimum 10 point

penalty plus an additional penalty for attempting to deceive the FA. The

treatment of Luton Town demonstrates that the FA will impose the rules

ruthlessly regardless of the implications to the punished club. Hereford

and Torquay were deducted 3 points and 1 point respectively for each

fielding an illegible player in their match on 1st February. This was

the day after the transfer window closed and basically resulted from

clerical errors in the form filling process of players signed in the

last few hours of the transfer window. So a cock up, not fraud, but

resulted in points being docked. If QPR don''t get a points deduction for

what they have done then it will fly in the face of the precedent set

down to all other clubs.

9. In summary possibly QPR will face something like a 30 point penalty

deduction, as that is the scale of the seriousness of the offences,

which assuming they fill one of the top two slots will equate to a

relegation. All this talk of legal cases are a smoke screen. The FA have

QPR bang to rights and determining the penalty is all that needs to be

agreed. They are going to take a very dim view of the attempt to deceive

them, as they did with Luton Town.

10. A 30 point deduction would place QPR out of even the play off mix, allowing for the playoffs to proceed unhindered.This post is not written by me. It is taken of a Portsmouth forum, written by pfclassof61.

[Mello Yello 2,289]

[quote user="NauruDude"]1. The charges faced by QPR are extremely serious and are fundamentally two-fold. That they broke third party player ownership rules that were clearly established and made clear to all clubs after the Tevez affair, and that (in my view more seriously) they then attempted to cover up this breach in October 2010 by submitting falsified documents to the FA.

2. A lot of people compare the QPR situation to West Ham''s with Tevez, however when charged West Ham held their hands up immediately and many feel this helped them avoid a points deduction, plus there was never any real suggestion of attempted fraud, ultimately it was found that they had broken the rules but, lets say, they had perhaps been naive of the rules. QPR on the other hand have refuted the claims the FA have brought (which as we have seen with Rooney recently doesn''t go down well with the FA), and we have the added issue of an attempted fraud.

3. This fraud element moves this into a very different scenario and one which people haven''t suggested as a comparison, but here goes 1990 Swindon Town. If you''re not old enough to remember Swindon won promotion from what became the Championship to what would become the Premier League via the play-offs but were found guilty of making illegal payments to players and a few weeks later were relegated two divisions by the FA this was later reduced to a one division relegation and they found themselves back in the Championship.

4. It is this precedent may mean that QPR will face a points deduction at least.

5. Many people have said that the FA have screwed up by delaying the decision until the last week of the season.This is entirely deliberate and is ultimately the right way to have handled this - consider the Swindon example from 1990. The charges against Swindon were identified well before the end of season playoffs but the FA sensibly allowed the season to run its course with all teams trying their best. Some might say it was cruel to Swindon fans to let them experience promotion however had they lost the playoffs presumably they would have been relegated to what became League One, instead of back to the Championship i.e the faced a one division relegation as their penalty regardless of how they finished up. Possibly the FA are using this as a precedent, to give no indication of a points deduction so that all teams play to their potential without bringing the integrity of this Championship season into question. QPR may need to gain promotion to the Premier League in order that they are relegated back to the Championship and not League One as with the Swindon case.

6. Consider if QPR had been given a 10 point, 30 point or even a relegation as a punishment announced in March. How would this have affected their own players approach to remaining matches and what impact would that have had on the points earned by the teams they later played who could have had an unfair advantage playing against a team that had psychologically imploded. Far more sensible to delay any announcement so that everyone assumes no points will be deducted, so the chasing pack give it their all and assume that 3rd place misses auto-promotion, and 7th place misses the play-offs. This would ensure that no one can have any complaints of unfair advantage when a decision is made.

7. Also if a relegation is the penalty imposed then if this had been announced in March it would have meant QPR would have had to gain promotion to the Premier League to ensure they stayed in the Championship. This would clearly be an intolerable position to put them in at that time or indeed for the other clubs so the FA, by delaying the decision, have ensured the integrity of the season, and also giving a massive hidden clue that a points deduction at least is guaranteed. Consider the alternative, if it was just a fine then impose it now, why wait?

8. Points deductions are imposed for far less serious offences. A club going into administration, which mostly happens due to mismanagement and not fraud guarantees a 10 point deduction. Luton Town were deducted 10 points for illegal agent payments and a further 20 points for issues around their administration status. This effectively relegated them out of the Football League! QPR should be looking at a minimum 10 point penalty plus an additional penalty for attempting to deceive the FA. The treatment of Luton Town demonstrates that the FA will impose the rules ruthlessly regardless of the implications to the punished club. Hereford and Torquay were deducted 3 points and 1 point respectively for each fielding an illegible player in their match on 1st February. This was the day after the transfer window closed and basically resulted from clerical errors in the form filling process of players signed in the last few hours of the transfer window. So a cock up, not fraud, but resulted in points being docked. If QPR don''t get a points deduction for what they have done then it will fly in the face of the precedent set down to all other clubs.

9. In summary possibly QPR will face something like a 30 point penalty deduction, as that is the scale of the seriousness of the offences, which assuming they fill one of the top two slots will equate to a relegation. All this talk of legal cases are a smoke screen. The FA have QPR bang to rights and determining the penalty is all that needs to be agreed. They are going to take a very dim view of the attempt to deceive them, as they did with Luton Town.

10. A 30 point deduction would place QPR out of even the play off mix, allowing for the playoffs to proceed unhindered.

This post is not written by me. It is taken of a Portsmouth forum, written by pfclassof61.

[/quote]

Yeah but.....no but.....yeah but.....no but.....er.....QPR''s manager said that the club''s legal beagle had spoken to him - and that there wasn''t a problem.....or summat like that?

[crabbycanary 2]

That all sounds very plausible (and encouraging), but are they ALL the facts to hand?

[The Voice Of Reason 0]

''deduction''

Charges have yet to be proven, or shall we sort out the sentence first!

Friday May 6th was surely chosen carefully, for what reason we shall find out soon, it could well be as your post describes, lets beat Portsmouth first and worry about that next week.

[Jacko 0]

Very legitimate points. However ultimately no one knows what will happen. I understand the panel will be chaired by a QC and a few specialists. Intrepretation of the rules/laws is everything in this instance. So the decision could potentially be rather an arbitrary one. I am sure the players have privately considered the idea (its human nature) but I am also certain that Lambert will have insured they wont be distracted by it.

[paul moy 235]

A QPR season-ticket holding neighbour of mine reckons that the FA have dropped six of the seven charges. It seems to me that their fans are in complete denial.

[Reykjavik Canary 0]

[quote user="The Voice Of Reason"]''deduction''

Charges have yet to be proven, or shall we sort out the sentence first!

Friday May 6th was surely chosen carefully, for what reason we shall find out soon, it could well be as your post describes, lets beat Portsmouth first and worry about that next week.[/quote]Are you a fucking asshoule. I am from Iceland nothing I can do about that you dude.

[The Voice Of Reason 0]

I had to laugh at what Colin said yesterday

''Rangers'' promotion is a personal triumph for the 62-year-old, who took charge of a club languishing 20th in the Championship table and reeling from six defeats in seven fixtures and has transformed them into champions in the space of 13 months.

"This is without a shadow of doubt the best job that I have done,"

WITHOUT A SHADOW OF DOUBT? mmm rather large cloud casting a shadow if you ask me Colin!

[@jayncfc 0]

I understand innocent until proven guilty but the media are not even mentioning the points debacle today, just QPR are up. Strange!

[PurpleCanary 5,557]

[quote user="Dereham Tifoso"]One of the correspondents on Radio 5 (sorry cannot remember his name) earlier today said he was absolutely convinced that (if found guilty) there would be some form of points deduction. It appears that this view seems to be gaining some momentum in both written and broadcast media. His reasoning was that any form of financial penalty would be meaningless to QPR what with their wealthy owners. A fair point I suppose, but a transfer embargo (as suggested already on here) would be another possible sanction- depending on the terms it could mean QPR struggle to stay in the PL which could be seen by some to be a suitable punishment made directly to Rangers with minimal disruption elsewhere. Bar the inevitable ''loss of revenue'' claims from the 3 Championship clubs that do not go up of course.      
[/quote]

 

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If that''s the case it''s probably in large measure because the effect of several weeks of spin from Loftus Road (such as that hilarious story about the club''s QC assuring Warnock everything was above board) has begun to wear off and even become counter-productive.

 

[@jayncfc 0]

Old Guardian article about old Colin, wonder if they will take his view into account.

Warnock said of the settlement: "It justifies what we''ve said all

along. We''ve had a lot of people criticise us for taking it this far –

but that''s what justice is all about. But this still doesn''t make it

right for me or the United fans – or anyone else involved."

Warnock

reiterated his view that the Premier League''s chief executive, Richard

Scudamore, should have resigned over the affair and believes a bigger

club than Sheffield United would have been treated differently.

"I''d

love to get him [Scudamore] in a room on my own for an hour, no holds

barred," he said. "If it was any other club, Scudamore would have made

sure the facts came out. I find it amazing that he has kept his job. If

it had been a big club, the truth would have come out earlier and it

would have been sorted."

[pete_norw 0]

I find it qiute amusing that Colin thinks because his Barrister said it will be ok then it will be, Colin that is what he tells all his clients, doe''s he win all his cases, He will be all right of coarse he will, your club is paying him a fortune, he don''t give a stuff as long as he is paid, he will say what you want to hear.

[dylanisabaddog 4,907]

Apologies if posted elsewhere

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/QPR-point-deduction-FA-fear-club-will-delay-third-party-ownership-charge-hearing-EXCLUSIVE-article729871.html#ixzz1L2zMzxEY

[Ruddygore 0]

"Apologies if posted elsewhere

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/QPR-point-deduction-FA-fear-club-will-delay-third-party-ownership-charge-hearing-EXCLUSIVE-article729871.html#ixzz1L2zMzxEY "

I suppose if it was that easy every club would be briefing the Sun, posing as "a reliable source from The FA" that they were already judged to be guilty.

Maybe it will be that easy for QPR but I don''t think so.

[Alex Moss 2,165]

[quote user="dylanisabaddog"]Apologies if posted elsewhere

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/QPR-point-deduction-FA-fear-club-will-delay-third-party-ownership-charge-hearing-EXCLUSIVE-article729871.html#ixzz1L2zMzxEY[/quote]

They''ll blatantly exercise their right then. But if they think they''ve got nothing to answer to, then they might aswell just get it out of the way?

[Hoopy 0]

This is an interesting post that needs clarifying.

1. The FA, PL FL had (and still have) different rules in respect of TPO. QPR''s deal for Faurlin was ratified before the new rules were introduced. As soon as the FL rules were changed, QPR went to the FA and FL to make sure the deal was legally completed. The fee to the TPO was paid to them via the FA who approved the deal with the agent.

2. See 1, QPR went straight to the FA. The fraud issue is over a date entered incorrectly on a document - nothing more.

3. No illegal payments were made.

4. Not precedent.

5. The FA started investigations in January when Faurlin''s deal was publicised as £3.5m on the QPR website, not £600k as stated previously. No payment of £3.5m has been made; the deal was advertised as £3.5m to make it look like QPR were spending high. This is likely to have been to attract foreign sponsors and advertisers, particularly in Asia. £3.5m would be if Faurlin plays a specific number of games, internationals, wins certain trophies, his salary, goal bonus, appearance bonus, etc.

6. There is no precedent to suggest what penalty may be imposed.

7. Agreed.

8. Luton conducted 50+ deals with 6 completely unlicensed agents. QPR completed a deal using a subsequently FA licensed agent who holds FIFA and UEFA licences. And this deal was approved by the FA at the time. Boston United registered 6 parallel contracts with the FL to bypass the rules over turnover and salaries. Players were declared to earn a certain amount and paid something else above that. Boston received a 4 point penalty for these 6 offences that were carried over to the start of the next season, after they had been promoted.

9. Speculation - no precedent.

10. Agreed - but speculation.

Interesting debate on here that seems to have been started by the Sun article. Shaun Custiss was interviewed on Talksport after the story broke and was very cold on the story; the rhetoric employed in his article was clearly absent in his interview.

Good luck in getting 2nd - I''d much prefer to see you guys up auto than Cardiff - much better day out at Carrow Road.

[The Fish Seller 0]

[quote user="Alex"][quote user="dylanisabaddog"]Apologies if posted elsewhere

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/QPR-point-deduction-FA-fear-club-will-delay-third-party-ownership-charge-hearing-EXCLUSIVE-article729871.html#ixzz1L2zMzxEY[/quote]

They''ll blatantly exercise their right then. But if they think they''ve got nothing to answer to, then they might aswell just get it out of the way?[/quote]Well can they?the Mirror article being the polar opposite of the sun article effectively negates any argument QPR might lodge that they have been prejudged and found guilty in a national tabloid and therefore they cannot possibly receive a fair hearing.If one says yes and the other says no just as loudly then what''s the problem?Think the timing of the mirror story is excellent, just in time to nullify any right to waiver QPR might have had. Though the sun one is the story claiming an fa source, if I had to put money on it then the mirrors story is the one that actually provides a motive for an "fa source".[;)]Where''s Cameldonium when you need him, sure he''d have put us all straight ages ago on this.........He''d certainly have enjoyed telling us how the big grown up newspapers hacks were being used by those with an interest[:D]

[Billabong 0]

Lots of speculation based on what we already know, no doubt the inquiry/investigation will throw up a lot more.

It''s important to remember, this isn''t a court of law, there will be no defence or prosecutor trying to sway a jury.

The FA have carried out their investigation and feel QPR must answer charges.

In the FA''s eyes it''s not - if guilty, it''s how guilty.

Has a club ever faced similar charges and been found innocent with no case to answer?

In most cases, points deductions have been carried through to the following season, in this case it would have an impact on the balance of the Premiership. At a guess, I would imagine the FA would want to avoid this at all costs.

[pete_norw 0]

[quote user="Billabong"]Lots of speculation based on what we already know, no doubt the inquiry/investigation will throw up a lot more. It''s important to remember, this isn''t a court of law, there will be no defence or prosecutor trying to sway a jury. The FA have carried out their investigation and feel QPR must answer charges. In the FA''s eyes it''s not - if guilty, it''s how guilty. Has a club ever faced similar charges and been found innocent with no case to answer? In most cases, points deductions have been carried through to the following season, in this case it would have an impact on the balance of the Premiership. At a guess, I would imagine the FA would want to avoid this at all costs.[/quote]

Just looked on QPR site and the latest is that someone claims that the FA have informed teams in the playoff places to expect a delay in these taking place, so they inturn are accusing the FA of finding them guilty without trial, and so doing this QPR or some nut thinks that the Charges will have to be dropped.

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[quote user="pete_norw"]

[quote user="Billabong"]Lots of speculation based on what we already know, no doubt the inquiry/investigation will throw up a lot more. It''s important to remember, this isn''t a court of law, there will be no defence or prosecutor trying to sway a jury. The FA have carried out their investigation and feel QPR must answer charges. In the FA''s eyes it''s not - if guilty, it''s how guilty. Has a club ever faced similar charges and been found innocent with no case to answer? In most cases, points deductions have been carried through to the following season, in this case it would have an impact on the balance of the Premiership. At a guess, I would imagine the FA would want to avoid this at all costs.[/quote]

Just looked on QPR site and the latest is that someone claims that the FA have informed teams in the playoff places to expect a delay in these taking place, so they inturn are accusing the FA of finding them guilty without trial, and so doing this QPR or some nut thinks that the Charges will have to be dropped.

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Therein lies the problem, the hearing is not a case of finding them guilty or not.