Jarrold Stand

[Block Y Seat 176 80]

When it was constructed we were told that an upper tier could be built as and when we achieved a level of football/support to fill it. I will guesstimate that it would hold 5,000 people. With the infra structure in place and the time frame to complete is shorter than a main stand development why aren''t the club putting an extra tier on rather than a costly redevelopment of one side of the ground.

HRH

[Ernie 0]

Thats what I heard as well but unfortunately I believe it was decided not to bother to put in the extra foundations etc needed to do this although at the time it was stated that there would have been little if any extra cost to do this.

[rondy 0]

Because it would make the ground look ridiculously lopsided maybe?!

[Murphy and the Bricks 0]

The ground looks ridiclous as it is now!!!!...everyone knows the GW is nowhere near big enough in truth it never has been & the club messed up big style when it was built, so I say best option tear it down & lets have a Main Stand(GW as it should reamin) to be proud of...After all the Ground is on Carrow Road so that should by all accounts be the best stand, main entrance etc etc!!!! 

[Robornio 131]

[quote user="rondy"]Because it would make the ground look ridiculously lopsided maybe?![/quote]

Exactly my thoughts too. Maybe if we were going to rename the ground "The Slope".

And all these rumours about the GW stand not having ''strong enough'' foundations is utter nonsense. Trust me, I''ve been told by members of the board that the stand can be extended. It would just mean that Carrow Road would either be cut-off or a tunnel over it (like at Newcastle) would have to be built.

But could you also imagine how cold it would be sitting in a Jarrold top tier, that exposed to the winter wind??!?

[alysha 0]

when/if this does happen, what do they do with all the ST holders sitting in GW Watling stand? move them all to seats which would usually put on general sale?

[Ernie 0]

Nice though it is the GW stand is, clearly it is to small when compared to the rest of the ground and would definately be the best option for redevelopement having said that trying to move some of the season ticket holders in there could be interesting (last time I sat in there Sheff United the old lady sitting in front of me told me of for being a bit to, shall we say excitable!)  

[Ernie 0]

Nice though it is, the GW stand is clearly to small when compared to the rest of the ground and would definately be the best option for redevelopement having said that trying to move some of the season ticket holders in there could be interesting (last time I sat in there against Sheff United the old lady sitting in front of me told me off for being a bit too, shall we say excitable!)  

[Blofield Canary 12]

A second tier on the Jarrold was not ever an option with its current capacity. Two options were looked at during the design stage.

The original idea was a 6000 capacity stand which could have a second tier added at a later stage. The club however went for the 8000 single tier design to give the extra seats straight away in the knowledge that the city stand could have the second tier added in the future.

[Wings of a Sparrow 1,708]

The GW stand is definitely the stand earmarked for extension should we need to. I thought the club had purchased the bit of Carrow Road that runs behind?

[wrathsajoke 0]

NEVER EVER GOING TO HAPPEN

[improper fraction 0]

I always thought that foundations had been laid to increase the seating in the Jarrold with an upper tier when it was originally built. Didn''t McNally say at the AGM the if any areas were redeveloped that although they would eventually bring in increased revenue, there would be a loss during the building phase?

[grantroederdisaster 0]

Has the Jarold stand been built to allow for an upper tier or not has been the question since, well, when it was built in 2003/04!

I don''t know the true answer to that and nor would most other people anywhere I suspect!

With the amount of space behind the Jarold stand and our regular big crowds that aren''t far of full capcity, I''d of said it was rather short sighted if an upper tier can''t be built!

The City stand has always had the foundations for an upper tier and plans do exist showing what an upper tier would look like. The current board do want to increase ground capacity if the club can stay in the Premiership for 2 consectutive seasons. They now think that knocking the existing City stand down and building a brand new bigger version maybe better than putting an upper tier on the current structure!

I''m sure that in the next 10 years our ground capacity will probably increase, so it''ll be interesting to see where but I do know that the board have examined every possibility and when building work does take place fans maybe surprised where!

[kdncfc 28]

I would have thought that the Jarrold could be extended by building another structure immediately behind it if the need arose but I would have thought that the next move would be to either rebuild or extend the City stand which lets face it is ridiculously small in proportion to the rest of the stadium. Barely big enough to be described as a cowshed.

[Nexus_Canary 1,206]

Knock down the Snake pit and build a "viewing tower"

[Tangible Fixed Assets anyone? 0]

The GW (aka City) stand was built with foundations such that an upper tier could be added later.

The 8,000 seat Jarrold stand has the option of another 4,000 seats.  One of the main stands at Anfield was built in two stages too.

The old South Stand was not bigger because the foundations that could be built at the time of its construction could not handle the extra load.  Remember the dyke etc.?

 

 

 

[grantroederdisaster 0]

So your saying that the Jarold stand has the foundations for another tier!

How do you know?

Why do you mention the old south stand, what relevance has a stand that now doesn''t exist have to do with anything?

[shiplee15 0]

Although they have said it was built with the vision of another tier, my dad knows the guy in charge of building the stand and he said there''s no way it would hold another tier and that for it to happen it would need to be rebuilt/altered..

I would hope the builder isnt wrong but you never know!

As for the City Stand.. i think it needs to be rebuilt, its the oldest stand and could be a lot bigger obviously. It would be good to bring it more up-to-date with the other stands

[......and Smith must score. 1,588]

[quote user="Tangible Fixed Assets anyone"]

The GW (aka City) stand was built with foundations such that an upper tier could be added later.

The 8,000 seat Jarrold stand has the option of another 4,000 seats.  One of the main stands at Anfield was built in two stages too.

The old South Stand was not bigger because the foundations that could be built at the time of its construction could not handle the extra load.  Remember the dyke etc.?

[/quote]I remember it well....... It ran along behind the stand and you could see it as you climbed up and down the entrance steps at the backReminds me of a book called '' Old Dykes I Have Known ''. The contents are not quite as racy as the title might suggest as it''s all about dykes in the Fens rather than ladies of a certain disposition.I expect some people have been a little disappointed after a visit to the porn shop as they tore off the plain brown wrapper when they got home....

[Harry 0]

This question was asked on the Official Site a few season ago and Joe Ferrari (Head of Media) stated that there was an option for the foundations of the Jarrold to be done to take a second tier but the Club decided to go for the cheaper option of foundations for what we have now.

[ncfc4life 0]

I seem to remember Doomy saying that they wanted the jarrold stand to be a two tier stand but thanks to itv digital going bust we couldnt afford it

[Block Y Seat 176 80]

The following is lifted from the www.footballgroundguide.com

Oliver Napthine informs me; ''The new South Stand has been built in such a way that an additional tier can be added at a later stage if required. This development would increase the capacity to around 30,000''. Whilst Jon Springall adds; ''An additional tier could also at some stage (the foundations are already in place) be added to the Geoffrey Watling Stand, which would further raise the capacity to around 35,000''.

I''m getting a bit confused with the varying comments. There must be a definitive answer out there somewhere.

HRH

[Bury Green 0]

Some years ago I was informed by a board member that the South Stand can indeed be extended to accommodate a second tier, similarly so can the City Stand.

With our capacity at around 27,000 if we are looking at adding in another 8,000 seats it strikes me that this can be achieved by either completely rebuilding the City Stand or adding in a cantilevered second tier but can it seriously accommodate another 8,000 seats? Somehow I can’t quite imagine this.

So either we are looking at city stand III where it’s completely rebuilt or 4,000 addition to the South stand and a 4,000 cantilevered addition to the City Stand.

One point that I rather hoped might get asked at the AGM was the potential for a bond type arrangement where you can buy a lifetime seat in the new part of the ground

McNasty seems o believe it costs about 2,500 a per seat to build a new stand, well if the club charged some bit more than and allowed let’s say 1,000 supporters to buy a lifetime seat then this goes a long way to absorbing some of the costs.

The club would still benefit as there would the ability to develop office accommodation within the new structure and to derive a rent from it and as was well publicised benefit from match day catering etc

[Woman in the Stands (WITS) 0]

McNally actually said it costs £2,500 to put a seat in a NEW stand. Therefore he''s costing everything in terms of seats and bums on seats which eventually becomes revenue. Bricks don''t become revenue so the costing is measured in something that can be.

[grantroederdisaster 0]

Don''t forget that the ground capacity can be increased by a further 1-2000 without going outside the existing stadium footprint. This is according to Mr Bowkett himself!

 

This would put the useable capacity up to 27532-28532 before even thinking about the best way to increase capacity of the City stand!

 

Like a preious poster says, theres no way that an extra 8000 could be found by either putting a new upper tier on the existing City stand or by building a completely new version!

[Big Slob 0]

Would be a bit of a hassle to knock down the city stand, what with the season ticket holders, changing rooms, directors box etc.

[Tangible Fixed Assets anyone? 0]

[quote user="grantroederdisaster"]So your saying that the Jarold stand has the foundations for another tier! How do you know? Why do you mention the old south stand, what relevance has a stand that now doesn''t exist have to do with anything?[/quote]

It was stated in the local media that another 4,000 seats could be added to the Jarrold stand later.

I mentioned the old South stand as its size was limited by the state of the ground when it was built. The dyke was removed and building methods have moved on.  The Kemlyn stand at Anfield was built in two stages and that may happen to the Jarrold stand if the club has enough money.

 

[Tangible Fixed Assets anyone? 0]

[quote user="grantroederdisaster"]

Don''t forget that the ground capacity can be increased by a further 1-2000 without going outside the existing stadium footprint. This is according to Mr Bowkett himself!

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I wonder where these seats could be fitted in? 

[Tangible Fixed Assets anyone? 0]

[quote user="Big Slob"]Would be a bit of a hassle to knock down the city stand, what with the season ticket holders, changing rooms, directors box etc.
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Just build an upper tier over Carrow Rd and at a higher level above the lounges at the back of the stand.

More room for the biscuit chasers!

[grantroederdisaster 0]

The only areas of the stadium that could accomodate extra seating capacity within the current stadium footprint would be moving the perimeter fence of the Barclay forward to create another 1-2 rows like they did in the other 3 stands last summer, taking out the media area in the City stand which is too the right of the directors area and extending the Jarold stand round in front of the hotel.

 

I''d imagine that without extending the Jarold stand round in front of the hotel that the above possible areas of capaciy increase would only yeild less than 400 extra seats so Mr Bowketts 1-2000 estimate would have to include the Hotel corner infill, I presume of course!

 

Interesting stuff and this subject yet again proves that very few people are actually in the know when it comes to many matters about our great club. I personally certainly am not and am just speculating using the knowledge I have because I''ve studyed the development of Carrow Road since the 1950''s!

 

In order to achieve our potential and to have more chance of being competitive and sustainable in the Premiership we need to get our capacity over 35,000 when finances allow. All the Johnie Doubters no doubt blinkered by the "little ole Norwich" myth should remember that and if our ground is increased to this size, if we don''t sell out every game (which we wouldn''t!) doesn''t mean it was wrong to increase capacity!