2018 World Cup

[Mahogany 0]

I''m more upset that Russia got it than that we didn''t. Shouldn''t FIFA take into account the behaviour of the country? Russia is hardly a bastion of democracy and human rights. I suppose they like their World Cup host to reflect FIFA itself: corrupt, autocratic and not too bothered about football.

Should have been Spain/Portugal. Close enough for the majority of people who care about football to easily attend and also a fairly nice place to go on holiday from what I hear.

[pete_norw 0]

[quote user="Mahogany"]I''m more upset that Russia got it than that we didn''t. Shouldn''t FIFA take into account the behaviour of the country? Russia is hardly a bastion of democracy and human rights. I suppose they like their World Cup host to reflect FIFA itself: corrupt, autocratic and not too bothered about football. Should have been Spain/Portugal. Close enough for the majority of people who care about football to easily attend and also a fairly nice place to go on holiday from what I hear.[/quote]

First thing I though of was, Thank you Media boys, and how much did the Reds pay?//.

[Mike 0]

Seemingly, having a massive racist problem doesn''t hurt but a TV program alleging corruption is a killer..... F*em ''em & their competitions. DULL DULL DULL.

Only care about NCFC, International football? What''s the piont? Hope Barca win the G14 money making cup & hope Man Ure, Arse, Chelski, Spurts, Shek City all go bust or disappear into some dull Europe Super Champions (sic) league....

 

[Nexus_Canary 1,016]

Lets not forget the Russian Hooligans modal  themselves on the old school British duche bags and the fact they are racist to the core.Cant wait to see how well the old home fans recieve one of the African nations :(Wasnt there some jip aimed at a player recently ?Frankly disgusting behaviour !

[Branston Pickle 3,634]

Tbh I don''t really mind that we lost it - I''m sure most of us wouldn''t have gone to any of the games, and we''d be paying Christ knows how much to watch in our own stadia.

I was actually kind of hoping that the Netherlands bid would win, but it seemed to me a nailed on certainty that Russia was getting it from way back in the summer: I remember Blatter saying something that gave me the impression it was in the bag. It seemed to me that Putin thought so, too - I guessed that him not going was because he knew he didn''t need to, rather than that he was giving up: I can''t believe our media didn''t see this too....but when all''s said and done they are generally just a bunch of stupid sheep.

[Nexus_Canary 1,016]

[quote user="Mike "]

Seemingly, having a massive racist problem doesn''t hurt but a TV program alleging corruption is a killer..... F*em ''em & their competitions. DULL DULL DULL.

Only care about NCFC, International football? What''s the piont? Hope Barca win the G14 money making cup & hope Man Ure, Arse, Chelski, Spurts, Shek City all go bust or disappear into some dull Europe Super Champions (sic) league....

 

[/quote]To be fair Man Utd and Arsenal are not really the criminals here.Man Utd have been taken over by the Glaziers to finance some Mickey Mouse teams that only Americans support , understand , give a sh*t aboutand Arsenal refuse to allow some big money guy to come in and take over.Spurs, well Harry Redknapp is bent, but he is one of the last "old school" bent English managers about so you gotta love him !Money Cheat City and Chelski can feck right off though ! Hate them

[shefcanary 2,384]

We lost ''cos we squandered all our Scottish oil money on ourselves and not on those lovely FIFA panel person''s "for bank accounts replace with Sport Development Funds".

[William Darby 0]

Prince William should have just turned up with 22 sexy dirty women and 22 bottles of single malt.  Guaranteed more than two votes.

[Nexus_Canary 1,016]

[quote user="ſilly ſauſage"]Prince William should have just turned up with 22 sexy dirty women and 22 bottles of single malt.  Guaranteed more than two votes.[/quote]or they should have told Prince Harry to show up in THAT costume, just to make a silent protest

[Davo 0]

I''m just surprised that people actually thought we had any chance. It''s been fairly obvious that we weren''t going to win for quite a while now. I guess the only reason Blatter wanted us to bid was so that we could rub our noses in it one we had had lost.

As for Qatar it''s a joke, it will be too hot and the quality of football will be poor because players won''t be able to cope.

Football is the big looser today but FIFA don''t care they''ve had their palms greased.

Davo

[PurpleCanary 5,554]

[quote user="Branston Pickle"]

 

It seemed to me a nailed on certainty that Russia was getting it from way back in the summer: I remember Blatter saying something that gave me the impression it was in the bag.

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It is generally thought Blatter favoured Russia but that doesn''t mean it was bound to pan out that way. Chance may well have played a big part. It seems from the voting that the three Warner votes (which England needed) went instead straight to Russia, so England dropped out first. Then what followed was an anti-Spain-Portugal vote, possibly because of Spain''s perceived arrogance.

England''s two votes both went to Russia and two of Netherlands-Belgium four votes went to Russia, despite still being in contention, presumably because they assumed that bid would be kocked out next anyway.

 

So the Spanish vote stalled and Russia zoomed ahead. If Warner had ignored the media attacks and stayed with England then the English bid might well have picked up the Netherlands-Belgium votes and gained enough momentum to challenge Russia.

 

For what it''s worth I always thought two bids were deserving. England''s and Russia''s. There was no good reason for the Spain-Portugal bid to succeed, so from that point of view this is a reasonable outcome. Russia, for all its faults, is a major power that has only once been allowed to host a major sporting event (the Olympics) and then the west tried to sabotage it.

 

 

[Robornio 106]

I think it''s time to create our own, new football federation. How on earth did we lose it to Switzerland in the first place?? Let alone allowing it to become an ''old gentlemen''s club'' full of corrupt, bureaucratic idiots who refuse to move with technology or social changes and forget that football is a democratic communal game, not a dictatorship.

I propose to the world, the New Federation of International and World Football (NFIWF)...

Who will need FIFA or UEFA then?!

[Syteanric 1]

[quote user="Mahogany"]I''m more upset that Russia got it than that we didn''t. Shouldn''t FIFA take into account the behaviour of the country? Russia is hardly a bastion of democracy and human rights. [/quote]neither is South Africa or Chile... they have both hosted it...

[Jakesacanary 0]

Qatar the country that does not recognise Israel so lets hope they dont qualify.

Qatar the country that does not allow alcohol so there goes the budweiser sponsorship.

Qatar where temperatures get to 120.

look at website Transparency in Sport find out how corrupt FIFA really is....PLEASE....

[Joanna Grey 0]

LOL at ITV trying to blame Panorama and The Sunday Times. Now is the time to dig up some dirt on Blatter and his cronies.

[Shack Attack 0]

The idea that FIFA/Sepp Blatter hate England is pretty ludicrous if you ask me. I tend to think that they just like us less than they like the vast sums of money that their corporate sponsors are willing to pay them to attach their brands to the World Cup. Do Budweiser/Mastercard/McDonalds really think they can make much more money peddling booze/credit/burgers to the drunk, debt laden, fat English? Far better to peddle their sh*t in a different region I guess?Then you have to take into account just how much each country wants to stage the World Cup. It''s all very well sending the two Davids and Billy Windsor over there to talk about passion but what does that really count for? I would suggest that both Russia and Qatar had something more tangible to offer than passion and probably a lot more to gain from hosting the World Cup. Blame Blatter for allowing it to happen on his watch by all means but let''s not pretend that favours and kickbacks are alien to business practice in England. We just haven''t got deep enough pockets to compete with Russia and Qatar.We lost and by losing we have saved an awful lot of money. Rather than bitching about the unfairness of it all why not spend more time discussing how we can invest that money saved into developing out young players so that we might have a decent chance of winning in Russia and/or Qatar?

[Buncey 1]

We came third in the bidding process for the 2006 world cup (behind Germany and South Africa the next two holders), one would think it would be our turn after so long, but unfortunately not. I hold much cynicism towards FIFA for their dubious practices, and what frankly seems corrupted voting patterns. I also worry about what football is actually about. Do I believe there is a legacy to be had in a country with a population equal to the 5th largest city in Australia (a bid that was thrown out the window before 3 others which all held world cups in the previous 15 years). Do I also believe it is right to allow a country with such a poor history in the uptake of football and promotion of human rights to host the tournament. The world cup has, like the rest of football, been steadily commercialised and streamlined into a monetary vehicle. It is, as we have seen by this protracted bidding process and the complete dullness of the previous tournament, no longer about football. It''s all about the official beer, the official watches, the official chicken nugget meal and the official officials. We have traded what it really means to play football, and the passion of the game so that we can boast that we have played games in a monstrous white elephant whilst the local population suffer extreme poverty. FIFA (and yes you the premier league) have corrupted the game, so that it no longer means anything to the layman. I will stick to Carrow Road, where the real heart of football lies.

[Harry 0]

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[yellow hammer 0]

If the English thinks the FIFA decision is a sham and based on corruption, then the English FA should do the right thing and withdraw from FIFA.

On one hand we will lose the chance to go to the World Cup, but based on previous experiences we are unlikely to have much of a showing there even if we were to qualify.

On the other hand, FIFA will lose the English financial contributions to the organisation, and the lose prestige of having the major FA outside of FIFA.

England only needs to persuade a couple of other European countries to withdraw, and I am sure we are not the only ones who are sick of the corruption in world football, and FIFA will come tumbling down.

The alternative is to do nothing and continue as we are, which is to allow corrupt state officials from no-name countries dictate to us where and how the World Cup will be played.

[paul moy 235]

How about withdrawing from FIFA and staging our own World Cup outside of that corrupt organisation ?  News today is that HMG are setting up a parliamentary select committee to investigate the governance of football. [:)]

[blahblahblah 2]

The more I hear about the Qatar bid the odder it seems to become.  First there is the whole air-conditioned  indoor stadium thing, but now apparently they are going to dismantle the stadiums and move them lock stock and barrel to africa after the world cup has finished ?I guess Qatar doesn''t need its'' own legacy ?

[smooth 114]

Well I was not bothered and think it is good to move to new nations. I don''t think our stadiums, infrastructure is up to speed and actually I now as many posters said will be able to watch games rather than have to work through the tournament here in the UK.

I also wondered what we would do with our database of known trouble-makers. Each world cup we here how our authorities have kept them under wraps and they will not leave our shores. Well if the world cup was here would we be sending these troublemakers to the med?

Think actually the Qatar stadiums will suit our football as they will have air conditioning, we always complain it is too hot so this will be ideal and again if we built a stadium like that it would be a disaster but anywhere else in the world they will build it.

Now is the time to appreciate and support investigative journalism and not the trash we see on the front of our sensationalised press. We need more reporting like that of Panorama and not just within sport but across the board to wipe out corruption. I am glad that Russia and Qatar are giving those unlawful tax breaks that the dutch published in their report. That we in the UK did not here about because of lazy journalism.

We should plan for a 2030 bid, we are that off. We need stadiums that are of certain quality, we need an infrastructure that is not just one three lane motorway or small int. airports or low speed trains. We need less premier Inns and build amazing hotels in keeping with the landscape but with luxury throughout.

This vote tells you more about an outdated country than just losing a world cup and hence one that needs massive investment if ever we will hold the games.

I also think it is very naive to assume that our supporters follow this game more than other countries. Asia hands down beats us.

But again I really don''t care as I don''t support England, it is Club before Country. But I do support investigative journalism and if our bid genuinely was a world class bid I would support it, but at the moment we are still lagging well behind the rest of the world and look very second or even third rate now.

[GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,735]

Unfortunately the only way that I can see us ever hosting a World Cup again is if one of these ''risk, new frontier'' venues is so disastrous that Fifa are forced to revert back to a tradional, safe-pair-of-hands footballing country to guarantee a smooth World Cup.

Qatar seems to have all the ingredients for the aforementioned disaster.

[Bethnal Yellow and Green 1,557]

It''s also worth pointing out that all of the current FIFA executives are very old men, most realise this is the last time they will ever get to vote on a World Cup and they all wanted to go out with a bit of a bang. Giving the World Cup to England and the USA would have been going out with a whimper.

Basically, the England bid was boring. Only a few new stadiums and the final will be hosted at Wemebly, which will be around 10 years old come 2018. After Germany 2006 FIFA realised that having the World Cup in Western Europe just isn''t interesting or exciting, where as Russia offers something different (as well as a very well prepared bid, which has been the favourite for 2 years).

[paul moy 235]

They should simply allow the winners to host the next tournament and thus any arguments about corruption would be invalid.  For some posters here to insinuate that we as a developed nation do not have the infrastructure is perverse when you consider the state of the countries chosen for 2018 and 2022. [:D]

[Joanna Grey 0]

[quote user="smooth"] I also wondered what we would do with our database of known trouble-makers.[/quote]

I''m sure our trouble-makers look like little girls compared to the Neo-Nazis of Russia with their AK-47s and the Ali "bombvest" Aghas in Qatar.

[paul moy 235]

[quote user="Raymond Getärd"]

[quote user="smooth"] I also wondered what we would do with our database of known trouble-makers.[/quote]

I''m sure our trouble-makers look like little girls compared to the Neo-Nazis of Russia with their AK-47s and the Ali "bombvest" Aghas in Qatar.

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Qatar and Russia in particular also have a muslim terrorist threat.

[Woman in the Stands (WITS) 0]

I am confused. Why are there two threads about this with the other in ''Other football''? [:S]

[blahblahblah 2]

"I also think it is very naive to assume that our supporters follow this

game more than other countries. Asia hands down beats us."When it''s  hosted in their back-yard I would agree.  But Asian countries don''t have a reknowned following (as in fans turning up for the games) for international teams.  Moscow and Qatar aren''t exactly close to Japan / South Korea , who have been the more successful recent Asian teams although I''ll grant you that they are closer than Brazil.   I would guess that the Russian world cup will be attended mainly by corporates and Russians, and the Qatari world cup will be attended mainly by Dubai / Qatari corporates, with a lot of empty stadia for games.

[Marty 0]

[quote user="smooth"] We need stadiums that are of certain quality, we need an infrastructure that is not just one three lane motorway or small int. airports or low speed trains. We need less premier Inns and build amazing hotels in keeping with the landscape but with luxury throughout.

This vote tells you more about an outdated country than just losing a world cup and hence one that needs massive investment if ever we will hold the games. [/quote]are you joking (I might be missing your sarcasm)? the fact that we have the stadiums and infrastructure in place was probably why we lost the bid, it shows we are not enough of a "developing country" for FIFA''s liking. It''s fairly obvious why we lost and two oil rich countries won.