Hucks Meets Nigel Worthington on www.dh6.co.uk

[TheGoogler 604]

I think hindsight is a wonderful thing. I remained a strong supporter of Worthy until the end. My point was mostly concern about who would follow. Better the devil you know, you know?

I think with the recent publishing of accounts and things like Hucks interviews, we are starting to see how badly the club has been run. Far too much emphasis on Norwich City FC PLC and not enough on Norwich City FC. We starting to see how slimming down the non-football side is stabilising the club.

[nutty nigel 7,898]

[quote user="TheGoogler"] I think with the recent publishing of accounts and things like Hucks interviews, we are starting to see how badly the club has been run. Far too much emphasis on Norwich City FC PLC and not enough on Norwich City FC. We starting to see how slimming down the non-football side is stabilising the club.[/quote]

I''m not sure that''s right being as in the latest accounts the income from catering is over half that from gate receipts and ticket sales. And it seems many of the cuts are football related like the the ending of reserve games at Carrow Road. But yes I agree that the club is much better run and McNally seems to be doing away with loss making activities across the board. What I would say is that the accounts seem to be proving without a doubt that McNally sees the catering operation as really good business and I notice all whose whiners about Delia''s catering operation have zipped it [:#]

 

[Old Shuck 291]

Excellent interview Hucks, thanks-ditto to Worthy, lots of honesty there and some great insights and revelations, hugely interesting reading.

Clearly anyone "in the game" is going to open up more to a fellow pro, rather than a journo, else football writer etc. Which is why these "Hucks Meets" work so well, you and your subjects already have the respect for each other before you even start.

I know neither are connected with Norwich, but I reckons a Hucks Meets with either Gordon Strachan or Kevin Keegan would be interesting, are you still in contact with either? And any plans to extend this to players/Managers etc with no Norwich connections, especially if they have a story to tell?

[TheGoogler 604]

Nutty: I referred specifically to the redundancies of staff, shutting down of the travel shop in the club, sale of land that sort of thing. There is no doubt the catering side is a big earner; but I suspect even that has been forced into re-examining their methods of business with a view to slimming down on costs and further maximising profits. That''s what I mean in relation to the re-emphasising on Norwich City FC over NCFC PLC.

[nutty nigel 7,898]

Spot on Googler, it''s right across the board where the cuts have taken place. If I remember rightly at last years AGM McNally said the catering income at this club was astounding. I wouldn''t mind betting it is much more profitable now. The fact that gate receipts and ticket sales are only about a third of the clubs total income last season is an indication of where football is. Last season we were only in League One. For Premier League teams I expect ticket sales and gate reciepts is a much smaller percentage of income which goes to show how the Wigans of this world can survive and kind of explains why we can''t always compete with clubs who don''t have gates anywhere near as big as ours.

 

 

 

[barclaystand 0]

Thanks for another great interview Hucks. The best one yet. Nice to hear Nigels view. A proper gent as always.

[The Butler 0]

How have we got from an excellent interview with Worthy when he basically says he was starved of appropriate finance and therefore became the scapegoat,  to praising the CATERING operation in one leap. 

Worthy was doing an excellent job and was not allowed to complete it for lack of support ie funds that were being used elsewhere (can be the only conclusion bearing in mind the millions from the prem).

Doncaster was working on his own without any consultation or supervision contolling the finances for the whole operation!

It appears then that BOTH scenarios are right and the only thing that has been wrong all these years is Doncaster. Good job he finally resigned then wasn''t it.[;)]

[nutty nigel 7,898]

Certainly seems that way  Butler. Good job he resigned and a shame he wasn''t shown the door sooner. He must have got some things right because we did ok for the first couple of years he was in the job. His time was probably up about the same time as that disgraceful capaign was waged against Worthy. There''s another shame I guess - not ever one "Doomy Out" chant let alone stickers, marches and petitions. I wonder why?

 

 

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[quote user="nutty nigel"]

Certainly seems that way  Butler. Good job he resigned and a shame he wasn''t shown the door sooner. He must have got some things right because we did ok for the first couple of years he was in the job. His time was probably up about the same time as that disgraceful capaign was waged against Worthy. There''s another shame I guess - not ever one "Doomy Out" chant let alone stickers, marches and petitions. I wonder why?

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Because fans only see what''s on the pitch, and can only remove the manager. Only rich fans can replace the board, and only the board can replace the CEO. Which made him about the safest person in Carrow Road for a long time.

[The Butler 0]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

Certainly seems that way  Butler. Good job he resigned and a shame he wasn''t shown the door sooner. He must have got some things right because we did ok for the first couple of years he was in the job. His time was probably up about the same time as that disgraceful capaign was waged against Worthy. There''s another shame I guess - not ever one "Doomy Out" chant let alone stickers, marches and petitions. I wonder why?

 

 

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Couldn''t say Nutty, then I wasn''t involved in any of it.

You will have to ask whoever was behind it. I think Worthy said most of it was Kids.

Pity Worthy didn''t do an O''neil and resign when he didn''t get his own way.

It would have saved someone a lot of bother.

[nutty nigel 7,898]

[quote user="blahblahblah"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

Certainly seems that way  Butler. Good job he resigned and a shame he wasn''t shown the door sooner. He must have got some things right because we did ok for the first couple of years he was in the job. His time was probably up about the same time as that disgraceful capaign was waged against Worthy. There''s another shame I guess - not ever one "Doomy Out" chant let alone stickers, marches and petitions. I wonder why?

[/quote] Because fans only see what''s on the pitch, and can only remove the manager. Only rich fans can replace the board, and only the board can replace the CEO. Which made him about the safest person in Carrow Road for a long time.[/quote]

That''s a fair point Blah. And McNally is probably more unpopular with the fans now(due to the coffee prices, ticket prices, abolition of concessions etc) than Doncaster was back in 2005.

 

 

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"Pity Worthy didn''t do an O''neil and resign when he didn''t get his own way.

It would have saved someone a lot of bother."

But all that would have happened there is that we''d have ended up with Grant earlier [:o]

[nutty nigel 7,898]

[quote user="The Butler"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

Certainly seems that way  Butler. Good job he resigned and a shame he wasn''t shown the door sooner. He must have got some things right because we did ok for the first couple of years he was in the job. His time was probably up about the same time as that disgraceful capaign was waged against Worthy. There''s another shame I guess - not ever one "Doomy Out" chant let alone stickers, marches and petitions. I wonder why?

 

 

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Couldn''t say Nutty, then I wasn''t involved in any of it.

You will have to ask whoever was behind it. I think Worthy said most of it was Kids.

Pity Worthy didn''t do an O''neil and resign when he didn''t get his own way.

It would have saved someone a lot of bother.

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A lot of the protesters on the marches were kids. Worthy didn''t say it was kids who were behind it. I''m glad he didn''t resign because we would have been all the poorer then and certainly would have missed out on a lot of good players wearing the canary shirt.

 

As Hucks rightly said, the way Worthy was treated by a small amount of fans was nothing short of disgraceful.

 

 

[ncfcstar 342]

Thanks for the interview there Hucks, it made for really interesting reading, and Worthy definitely comes out of it as a genuine guy who just wasn''t backed.I guess I''ll come out and own up that I was fully behind the Worthy Out campaign, I didn''t join in the protests or have a sticker etc. as I thought that was going slightly too far, but I wasn''t shy in coming forward when it came to my opinions on the situation.  Things were going stale at the club, and perhaps with hindsight we can all see that it was stuff going on behind closed doors that was the catalyst, but unfortunately for Worthy he was the ''face'' of the problems.  The team had not been performing for a while, and had hardly won an away game for 2 and a bit seasons, and I thought it was time for a change.  I never understood why the board didn''t move sooner, and they could have saved the protests that did occur.We can see now the Worthy wasn''t backed, and the fact that we didn''t sign Ashton in the summer is unforgiveable, seeing as we would probably have stayed up if he had replicated the form he showed over a whole season.  That''s a fault of the boards, and Doomcaster''s personally.

[Mtv 0]

From reading the posts on this thread it would appear that a small bunch of kids were the ring leaders behind Worthington leaving the club and it was the worst thing that ever happened, him leaving.......bloody hell what short memories you lot have! At the end his team was not playing for him, the results were against him and the MAJORITY of the paying fans were against him. It doesnt matter what a small bunch of poster on a website think, whether you like it or not you don/didn''t represent the majority view on this matter.

Yes the club went on a downward spiral, but it was well into that downward spiral while he was here. It is no good then saying his sacking lead to Grant, Roeder Gunn but you could also say that Doncasters sacking lead to Lambert so you can follow the trail as far as you want, the facts are the club had to hit a bottom before it could get back up.

Worthington held on to his job for finacial reasons and not for anything thing else, he want his contract paying up (and I would to) and wasn''t never going to leave until he was sacked.

To say the Worthy Out campaign got personal well, It was personal, it was about getting one man out and another in, Ofcourse it was personal. Can anyone tell me how to do it politely. It is how football fans react worldwide (except on here apparently!) It makes me laugh when I see some of the most personal of attacks on here between posters over the stupidest of things.

Every survey/poll that was done at that time was shown that the large majority of fans wanted him out. He made constant attacks on the fans in his ''dying days'' His tactics were boring, his team ''long balled'' it for most of its games.

Ofcourse he had success but his time was up and instead or accepting that he left kicking and screaming which was the cause of the campaign.

In my opinion it should have carried on to get rid of Doncasters as well but even though there will be deniers, Some people still backed him unbelievably.

Now of course this post will be dissected and bits will be thrown back but the broad meassge is Worthington''s time was up he had to go, whether some people on here liked it or not! 

[morty 0]

Pretty much agree with all of that MTV.

[Mtv 0]

thanks so do I!

[Gingerpele 0]

I don''t agree with the first bit....there doesn''t seem to be very many people saying they where against the Worthy out campaign...

[PurpleCanary 6,367]

[quote user="mtv"]

Ofcourse he had success but his time was up...

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For me that is the real point. Managers (saving exceptions such as Wenger and Ferguson and Dario Gradi) tend to have a limited shelf life at a particular club. It is a cyclical, seasonal job and the same events start coming round. That''s why managers who end up failing at one club can be successes when they move elsewhere.

 

For what it''s worth, Worthington had the third-longest tenure of any Norwich City manager, at just under 6 years. Bond was just under 7 and Brown just over 7. Stringer lasted only 4 and a bit years before deciding he had grown stale in the job and should step down. An example that Worthington probably should have followed.

 

 

[ca 1]

[quote user="mtv"]

From reading the posts on this thread it would appear that a small bunch of kids were the ring leaders behind Worthington leaving the club and it was the worst thing that ever happened, him leaving.......bloody hell what short memories you lot have! At the end his team was not playing for him, the results were against him and the MAJORITY of the paying fans were against him. It doesnt matter what a small bunch of poster on a website think, whether you like it or not you don/didn''t represent the majority view on this matter.

Yes the club went on a downward spiral, but it was well into that downward spiral while he was here. It is no good then saying his sacking lead to Grant, Roeder Gunn but you could also say that Doncasters sacking lead to Lambert so you can follow the trail as far as you want, the facts are the club had to hit a bottom before it could get back up.

Worthington held on to his job for finacial reasons and not for anything thing else, he want his contract paying up (and I would to) and wasn''t never going to leave until he was sacked.

To say the Worthy Out campaign got personal well, It was personal, it was about getting one man out and another in, Ofcourse it was personal. Can anyone tell me how to do it politely. It is how football fans react worldwide (except on here apparently!) It makes me laugh when I see some of the most personal of attacks on here between posters over the stupidest of things.

Every survey/poll that was done at that time was shown that the large majority of fans wanted him out. He made constant attacks on the fans in his ''dying days'' His tactics were boring, his team ''long balled'' it for most of its games.

Ofcourse he had success but his time was up and instead or accepting that he left kicking and screaming which was the cause of the campaign.

In my opinion it should have carried on to get rid of Doncasters as well but even though there will be deniers, Some people still backed him unbelievably.

Now of course this post will be dissected and bits will be thrown back but the broad meassge is Worthington''s time was up he had to go, whether some people on here liked it or not! 

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Good honest post MTV, which I agree with.

[blahblahblah 2]

It''s quite possible that NW needed to go in order to prove that he wasn''t necessarily the problem.    I agree with PC that football is cyclical, and that he had a long tenure for a manager.  But the fact is that we haven''t performed as well in the league since he left.  Delia was on the beeb before the Old Farm match saying that what we have now is a team of players who put a shift in and work hard for each other and the club.  We didn''t always get that from all players under Worthington towards the end, ironically the biggest names kept putting the shifts in, at other clubs they tend to be the prima-donnas.  We very rarely got that under Grant, we got it for a time under Roeder, but then he brought loans in and replaced key members of a team that went 12 games unbeaten.  Maybe we actually needed the catharsis of relegation to allow the renewal under McNally and Lambert  - this was the kick in the pants that the board needed to concentrate on the pitch ?

[nutty nigel 7,898]

Well I don''t think it''s a good honest post and I don''t agree with it. Those fans who waged that disgraceful protest against Worthy were not the majority. I remember you lot waving petitions in our faces as we entered the stadium and there''s no way the majority signed them. How many on here signed them? How many who have contributed toi this thread signed one? That''s the trouble with pressure groups - you assume what you want is what everyone wants. If you could have taken the blinkers off and identified the real problem you maybe might have made a difference the right way. You contributed to an atmosphere in the stadium where our players felt the fans were waiting for us to lose. MTV states that the players weren''t playing for Worthington yet one of those players and a legend that Worthy signed, seems to have a different view. But then MTV, like all pressure groups, knows best.

 

The evidence of what was wrong back then was in the public domain for all to see. The surprise some fans have shown over what was stated in this interview astounds me. It was all reprted in the press at the time but people with an agenda against the manager somehow drowned it out. Here is a post I made back in 2006 shortly after Worthy was sacked.

 

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

Very interesting thread with good points made by all. Bury Green hits the nail on the head with his Dean Ashton comments. Nigel Worthington identified Ashton as the striker he wanted for the whole season and the board let him down and made him wait until January. I am convinced had we signed Ashton earlier we would have turned enough of those draws into wins to have stayed up, and probably stayed up quite comfortably.

Chicken, you say you think the board have learnt from failing to get Ashton at the start of that season but that wasn''t the impression I got from the events of this pre-season.“I won''t say how much we''ve got or really comment on whether we could afford to pay £2m for a player,” said Munby late last June as he denied Norwich had bid 2m for Nigel Worthington''s number one summer target Rob Hulse. “The money is very tight. We haven''t got what we had to spend last year, but then again there aren''t the departures that there were last year. We believe that for the most part we have a pretty damn good squad which requires highly selective, highly targeted improvements - or would certainly benefit from them if we could achieve them.” Most of the fans blamed Worthington for a lack of transfer activity in the summer, but was he working with his hands tied? In the same interview Munby said: “In a sense we don''t have a budget. What we have is a proposition from the manager, which we will be getting when the time''s right, to see if we can afford a certain player. What we are saying is, Nigel, knowing the background and knowing that money is tight, make us a proposal - you give us the problem and we''ll tell you if we can sort it.”

So Nigel identified the areas he wanted to improve and it seems they were a target man and someone to play on the right side, it also seemed that he was getting frustrated in his attempts to bring in these players and after Munby''s statement Worthington had this to say “The situation with Hulse is that he is a player we like, but the asking price of around the £2m mark is far too much for us. There is a budget there that we have got to work with. We know how well the club is run, we have a certain amount of funds to play with, but not sufficient to go and spend big money on players because it is just not there, simple as that. It is a case of trying to be as shrewd as we can and trying to get the best value for the pot of money that we have got.”

So how much was that "pot of money" Not enough for Hulse that''s for sure. We can assume that at this time Worthington had also identified his target for the right hand side in Lee Croft and that the board were attempting to "sort it" for him. We now know that we had £600,000 in that pot for Crofts fee and enough for his contract but what did we have left for a targetman? Not enough for Worthington''s "PlanB" because when he went back to the board with the proposal "Steve Howard from Luton Town please" again they couldn''t sort it. In a later article about the inflated prices of players Neil Doncaster had this to say: "A good example is striker Steve Howard - a 30year old with one year to run on his contract and who scored 14 League goals for Luton last season. We had in mind what we believed to be a fair price for the player. But faced with competition from the likes of Leeds, Derby, Stoke and others, the bidding soon escalated, with Derby ending up paying £1 million plus a very, very healthy player salary and other add-ons." And Worthington was frustrated yet again and didn''t have a PlanC saying: “We have to be proactive rather than reactive. We signed Dean Ashton in January instead of pre-season and I think the lesson should have been learned from that. But the lesson hadn’t been learned and yet again the window was going to close with the club short of strikers. “Things can develop very fast and it is a case of you can miss out if you don''t move swiftly. We have looked across the board and the two top targets were Hulse number one, and Howard number two and they‘ve gone. There is not a lot of plan C, D, E, F, G, H from the point of view of the quality that we need to come into this football club and take us forward. I can go and sign five six-foot three strikers tomorrow for £100,000 apiece - they won''t do the job that we want because they are not good enough, simple as that, and if you want to move forward then you need good players within the club. Certainly in the Howard situation, yes, £1m is a lot of money for him, but if that''s what there is about and that''s the going rate at the time, then that''s it.”

So no Chicken they haven''t learned anything from failing to get Dean Ashton earlier. As you see Worthy wasn''t so loyal to them in the summer and openly criticised the Board this time. Most fans missed it though becuase by now Worthington was the villain and fans believed lack of signings were his fault and this let the board off the hook. Again!

 

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I felt that was a good honest post at the time. MTV NOW states he would have carried on to get rid of Doncaster. I have one question - Why didn''t you? Are you seriously trying to tell me there was more support for Doncaster than there was for Worthy? There was never even a hint of a protest against Doncaster, or Munby. Even when Bowkett sent that letter openly criticising them both all we got from the usual suspects on here was requests for Delia Out stickers! Yet again happy to pick on the wrong target.

 

So don''t preach about honesty when you can''t honestly, even now, admit you got it wrong.

 

[morty 0]

Nutty, you really are so polarised towards your own point of view that you can''t see anyone elses.The way I remember it is that every single person I knew agreed it was time for Worthington to go, and he should have gone earlier, the majority held this opinion regardless of whether or not they supported the campaign.And it was patently obvious that he had lost the dressing room towards the end.It is only with hindsight that everyone realised where the rest of the problems were ie Mumby and Doncaster.

[Mook 0]

[quote user="mtv"]

From reading the posts on this thread it would appear that a small bunch of kids were the ring leaders behind Worthington leaving the club and it was the worst thing that ever happened, him leaving.......bloody hell what short memories you lot have! At the end his team was not playing for him, the results were against him and the MAJORITY of the paying fans were against him. It doesnt matter what a small bunch of poster on a website think, whether you like it or not you don/didn''t represent the majority view on this matter.

Yes the club went on a downward spiral, but it was well into that downward spiral while he was here. It is no good then saying his sacking lead to Grant, Roeder Gunn but you could also say that Doncasters sacking lead to Lambert so you can follow the trail as far as you want, the facts are the club had to hit a bottom before it could get back up.

Worthington held on to his job for finacial reasons and not for anything thing else, he want his contract paying up (and I would to) and wasn''t never going to leave until he was sacked.

To say the Worthy Out campaign got personal well, It was personal, it was about getting one man out and another in, Ofcourse it was personal. Can anyone tell me how to do it politely. It is how football fans react worldwide (except on here apparently!) It makes me laugh when I see some of the most personal of attacks on here between posters over the stupidest of things.

Every survey/poll that was done at that time was shown that the large majority of fans wanted him out. He made constant attacks on the fans in his ''dying days'' His tactics were boring, his team ''long balled'' it for most of its games.

Ofcourse he had success but his time was up and instead or accepting that he left kicking and screaming which was the cause of the campaign.

In my opinion it should have carried on to get rid of Doncasters as well but even though there will be deniers, Some people still backed him unbelievably.

Now of course this post will be dissected and bits will be thrown back but the broad meassge is Worthington''s time was up he had to go, whether some people on here liked it or not! 

[/quote]This is relatively true, but also a very simplistic view. Worthington was undermined by the board here, hung out to dry in the hope that he would walk. The fans who had been so happy when he took us up, wouldn''t give his team the time of day anymore.I don''t think many, including Nigel by the looks of the interview, would say that he had not run out of steam. But it was the horribly personal nature of the campaign, the in-fighting between fans, the ridiculous polarisation, cheering the opposition goals etc etc that made the real problem. Everything got so utterly ridiculous, and considering the CRAP that we''ve been through since then, it wasn''t the magic bullet that we thought.Yes, you can say that the fans but the motion in place for Lambert/McNally. I totally disagree. Ask any Sheffield Wednesday fan - you can go through years and years of wilderness before getting anything in place that can change things. It''s all very well to sit there and look smug as we now have the Lambert/McNally combo, but there was absolutely NO guarantee that this situation would have arisen. We could have had 10 / 20 years of Gunns, Roeders, Grants, Christ only knows who else, Bryan Robson? Steve Tilson? Phil Parkinson? Dave Penney? Jeremy Goss? I shudder to think. And THAT is why the Worthy Out campaign split the terraces so vehemently. Stick with a tried and tested manager who MAY have lost it but by the same logic MAY well have got it back together again. Or plunge into the wilderness of football management in the simple belief that it "can''t get any worse". Well it can get worse. And it did. And it''s just chance and luck that things have turned around again.

[nutty nigel 7,898]

[quote user="morty"]Nutty, you really are so polarised towards your own point of view that you can''t see anyone elses.

The way I remember it is that every single person I knew agreed it was time for Worthington to go, and he should have gone earlier, the majority held this opinion regardless of whether or not they supported the campaign.

And it was patently obvious that he had lost the dressing room towards the end.

It is only with hindsight that everyone realised where the rest of the problems were ie Mumby and Doncaster.
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Morty that post I quoted was made in 2006, how can you say that''s hindsight? It amazes me how people are now surprised to find out those things, whenh they were reported at the time!

 

 

[morty 0]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

[quote user="morty"]Nutty, you really are so polarised towards your own point of view that you can''t see anyone elses.The way I remember it is that every single person I knew agreed it was time for Worthington to go, and he should have gone earlier, the majority held this opinion regardless of whether or not they supported the campaign.And it was patently obvious that he had lost the dressing room towards the end.It is only with hindsight that everyone realised where the rest of the problems were ie Mumby and Doncaster.[/quote]

Morty that post I quoted was made in 2006, how can you say that''s hindsight? It amazes me how people are now surprised to find out those things, whenh they were reported at the time!

 

 

[/quote]Did you start a "board out" campaign? Are you just persisting with this issue just to say "I told you so?"

[nutty nigel 7,898]

[quote user="hucksdh6couk"]i wasn''t 100% in the Burnley match but tried to get through it, i owed Nigel alot, he was also a good man they way he was treated by a small amount of fans was nothing short of disgraceful, hopefully this interview will help people understand the ins and outs a bit more[/quote]

 

It''s probably unfair of me to ask so feel free if you wish to ignore this question : -

 

Had Worthy lost the dressing room before the end or was it the atmosphere of protest that made it so difficult?

 

 

[nutty nigel 7,898]

[quote user="morty"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

[quote user="morty"]Nutty, you really are so polarised towards your own point of view that you can''t see anyone elses.

The way I remember it is that every single person I knew agreed it was time for Worthington to go, and he should have gone earlier, the majority held this opinion regardless of whether or not they supported the campaign.

And it was patently obvious that he had lost the dressing room towards the end.

It is only with hindsight that everyone realised where the rest of the problems were ie Mumby and Doncaster.
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Morty that post I quoted was made in 2006, how can you say that''s hindsight? It amazes me how people are now surprised to find out those things, whenh they were reported at the time!

 

 

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Did you start a "board out" campaign? Are you just persisting with this issue just to say "I told you so?"
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So that''s what matters is it Morty? I didn''t start a campaign so my opinion is worth diddlysquat? The one thing that seems to have made a difference to the way the club was run was the open letter from the Associate Directors. Did they start any Board Out protests? What is it with the need to protest? Is that really the way to get things done?

 

[morty 0]

[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="morty"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

[quote user="morty"]Nutty, you really are so polarised towards your own point of view that you can''t see anyone elses.The way I remember it is that every single person I knew agreed it was time for Worthington to go, and he should have gone earlier, the majority held this opinion regardless of whether or not they supported the campaign.And it was patently obvious that he had lost the dressing room towards the end.It is only with hindsight that everyone realised where the rest of the problems were ie Mumby and Doncaster.[/quote]

Morty that post I quoted was made in 2006, how can you say that''s hindsight? It amazes me how people are now surprised to find out those things, whenh they were reported at the time!

 

 

[/quote]Did you start a "board out" campaign? Are you just persisting with this issue just to say "I told you so?"[/quote]

So that''s what matters is it Morty? I didn''t start a campaign so my opinion is worth diddlysquat? The one thing that seems to have made a difference to the way the club was run was the open letter from the Associate Directors. Did they start any Board Out protests? What is it with the need to protest? Is that really the way to get things done?

 

[/quote]How long ago did it all happen though? Maybe things happen for a reason and we wouldn''t be where we are today, from a manager and board point of view if Worthington had stayed and we continued to stagnate (whoever was it fault, the board or the manager)It just seems like as soon as the magic word "Worthington" is typed on here, you appear banging the same drum.Some people remember it the way you paint it, some remember it the way MTV has  portrayed  it. Neither is going to change their minds.Maybe its time to move on.[:)]

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I was a worthy out Protestor but campaign apart anyone who went to that last game Against Burnley where the players gave up on Nigel and the stadium were chanting "cheerio" and "sacked in the morning" could see that his time had come to an end.It became clear halfway through the Premiership season that Nigel didnt know what he was doing... a director of football, or replacing one of the coaching staff with an old head would have helped...by the time we had got relegated, Worthy was desperate to put things right and in his desperation lost sight of the bigger picture...still.. those who defended him etc and feel he should still be here should bear 1 thing in mind.. it was the events of the Worthy Fiasco that got the ball rolling to where we are today under Lambert... who seriously doesnt think we are better off now?