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Kathy , November 7, 2010 in Main Discussion - Norwich City
In my opinion ALL forms of religion is b ollocks cause religion has caued more deaths and division amongst human beings than anything else and no one knows he truth about the origins of religion. We''re basically animals that have developed to be the most intelligent life form on this planet, nothing more!
Without religin the world would have been a better place!
True, but is is a convenient route for people to escape thoughts of their own mortality and therefore necessary. Football is an equivalent diversion. to a lesser extent.
For this reason alone it (religion) has a place in the development of mankind, although exploited magnifold as you suggest.
So sorry, but this is Sunday after all.
[quote user="Cluckbert Chase"]Anyone who looks at Irish/Catholic politics and learns of the atrocities inflicted on them by the British would understand.....We''ve stolen their land... brutalised their people.... created the potato famine.... divided their nation and imposed British law on a suppressed minority within their own island.They''ve got plenty to be unhappy about.... but at least they don''t have Delia Smith to rub salt into their wounds.[/quote]
Given your thoughts on what the Irish have had to endure then you should not be overly critical of having a single Catholic irritant in your life. Sounds fair, don''t you think? [:D]
You''re entitled to your opinion Cluck, and I wouldn''t criticise you for it, but are you seriously thinking that these fouth and fifth generation Scottish Catholics are really thinking about imposed British Law when they watch their multi cultural Football Team play? Or perhaps it is all a little contrived?
Oh and by the way I think you''ll find the potato famine was "created" by an airborne fungus known as phytophthora infestans. I got that out of one of Delia''s cookbooks. It makes the chips soggy.
Of course they should mix. And like Paul Lambert, I am seeking a narrow coalition in the centre, without extremes on either the left or right wing. I see myself as Andrew Crofts, our midfield general directing the team, with John Prescott as my Grant Holt-style target man.
On your first point,the hatred of Britain is inbred into many Irish/Scottish catholics,no matter how many generations they are down the line.The sad part is that most of the ones dragging the hatred along have never been to Ireland or a catholic church in their lives.
On your second point,read up about the famine.It was pretty disgusting what was done to the Irish,to say the least!
To the Catholic and Protestant faiths in Scotland and Ulster the Battle of the Boyne (1690) happened last week and William of Orange a recent interloper..... the Fenian uprising (1867) happened only yesterday. Memories are long in these places and wounds raw. I lived in Northern Ireland in the late 60s and went to school there for a year....and not being Christened either way I was the anti-Christ. Religion dictates every part of their daily life and Irish history endlessly taught in schools.... but with two entirely different outcomes.Over the centuries the Catholics have been treated in a disgraceful manner by the British.... and this is why the Provos fought so bitterly. There is no excuse for the mindless killings on either side.... but it has a solid foundation and is spawned by a deeply held resentment.As for the potato famine......read your history. The British (in particular the Scots) raped the countyside of Ireland.... driving the indiginous population off their land. As the British then turned the stolen lands into producing grain for export to England.... the Irish were left to live on potatoes and nothing else. When the potato blight struck... none of the grain grown in Ireland stayed in the country and so the people starved. The potato famine was caused by the greed of the new incomer English/Scots landowners and their corrupt lackies in Government. So in essence... the English created the famine.Anything else you need to know... just ask. [Y][/quote]
Absolutely spot on, both in terms of historical fact and prevailing Irish sentiment.
The famine reduced the population of Ireland by over 20%. Over a million died and a similar number emigrated, while corrupt middleman continued to make money for absentee landlords given carte blanche by the farce that was the Royal Commission chaired by the Earl of Devon (and comprised entirely of landlords). It''s not easy to forget that sort of thing.
The picture in the OP seems all the more ridiculous when you consider that Glasgow was bombed during WW2 !!!!!.
Anyway it is exactly this kind of bigotry that is the reason why I would never want the Auld Firm playing in England , they can keep their sectarionism up there, we really dont need them touring the football grounds of England chanting their anti-English, pro- IRA (in Celtic''s case) songs down here. I can think of a few grounds whose supporters wouldn''t react to favourably to that!.
England being a country where religion plays an extremely small part if any in this day and age, for many football IS their religion. In Glasgow religion and sectarionism is the main agenda - the football is merely a sideshow.
Excellent stuff Cluck. God Bless Google.
attached, an interesting ''debate'' between fans of the two Glasgow clubs touching on religion and secretarianism........after reading this kind of stuff, would we really want to open our gates to this in our football?!.
In a word "No", the protest is born out of ignorance and a romatic Irish/American view of life, as beautifully demonstrated by Cluck''s cliched post....
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