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Referee's performance tonight!!!!

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Was it just me or was the referee''s overall performance shocking, how Watford''s 3rd goal counted I will never know was a clear free kick to us, and in my opinion Holt should have had a penalty for the arms around him.

But as usual the referees wherever we go do NOT seem to change!!!!!

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[quote user="Brackley Canary"]Was it just me or was the referee''s overall performance shocking, how Watford''s 3rd goal counted I will never know was a clear free kick to us, and in my opinion Holt should have had a penalty for the arms around him.

But as usual the referees wherever we go do NOT seem to change!!!!![/quote]

I was shocked at the 3rd goal, it was a clear foul. He was a typical fat baldy ref of low quality.

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Thought he was good to be honest, other than not giving us a free kick at the end. We could have had a couple more free kicks in the second half, but Watford could have had a couple more in the first.We moan when referees blow their whistle every few seconds, so it was good to see a ref who would let the 50/50 tackles go.

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[quote user="Brackley Canary"]Was it just me or was the referee''s overall performance shocking, how Watford''s 3rd goal counted I will never know was a clear free kick to us, and in my opinion Holt should have had a penalty for the arms around him.

But as usual the referees wherever we go do NOT seem to change!!!!![/quote]I thought the ref did okay.  We got what we deserved tonight, i.e. nothing.

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Ref was decent, but did miss a foul or two in the build up to the 3rd Watford goal, but he also let Nelson go through the back of Graham a few times which would get blown up on other occasions. The hands on Holt wasn''t a penalty although the Jackson push down in the first half might have been given by some.

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[quote user="Trent Canary"]Thought he was good to be honest, other than not giving us a free kick at the end. We could have had a couple more free kicks in the second half, but Watford could have had a couple more in the first.We moan when referees blow their whistle every few seconds, so it was good to see a ref who would let the 50/50 tackles go.[/quote]The foul on drury towards the end was a clear foul, the watford player didnt even get close to the ball!!!! I thought the ref was fairly poor, was good that he let play go on, but not when it should have been a FK!!!

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you cant blame the ref for that result imo. he could have given us a couple more decisions but in the end we just were not good enough against a young poor watford team which i find worrying. crofts was v good but ruddy and ward looked very very shaky

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No Brackley Canary - the ref''s performance against Tranmere away was shocking not this ref.

We should have got a free kick near the end for a crunching foul outside the box but apart from that the ref didn''t make a mistake in my eyes. If you are questioning the third goal then wake up ... we will get the tough treatment more than this this season. We have to stand up to it and not get bumped off the ball.

A good refereeing performance.

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the foul for their goal was a poor miss, he was feet away and it was clear cut. we also had a good penalty shout. Other than that he was OK. But these basic errors don''t help do they?

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Oh, I forgot the free kick in the last minute, to miss that he wants shooting.

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[quote user="NottsCanary"][quote user="Trent Canary"]Thought he was good to be honest, other than not giving us a free kick at the end. We could have had a couple more free kicks in the second half, but Watford could have had a couple more in the first.We moan when referees blow their whistle every few seconds, so it was good to see a ref who would let the 50/50 tackles go.[/quote]The foul on drury towards the end was a clear foul, the watford player didnt even get close to the ball!!!! I thought the ref was fairly poor, was good that he let play go on, but not when it should have been a FK!!![/quote]Was that the one when we were on the attack (Memories gone blank). If so I agree. I dont think there was much of a foul in the build-up to the third, it would have been generous. I was more concerned with the comical defending that took place during the build up.To be honest after every game we lose the referee automatically gets criticised, and usually when we win as well!

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[quote user="Marty"]the foul for their goal was a poor miss, he was feet away and it was clear cut. we also had a good penalty shout. Other than that he was OK. But these basic errors don''t help do they?[/quote]Where was the good penalty shout? I didnt see one myself.

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[quote user="butters"]you cant blame the ref for that result imo. he could have given us a couple more decisions but in the end we just were not good enough against a young poor watford team which i find worrying. crofts was v good but ruddy and ward looked very very shaky[/quote]

Sorry, but how are this Watfodr team poor? this is a new season, they (like us) have new players. Stop believing the tv pundits, to make us favourites was just wrong. For me it was a 50:50 game, we lost, no massive shock.

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[quote user="Trent Canary"][quote user="Marty"]the foul for their goal was a poor miss, he was feet away and it was clear cut. we also had a good penalty shout. Other than that he was OK. But these basic errors don''t help do they?[/quote]Where was the good penalty shout? I didnt see one myself.[/quote]

93rd min, our player was floored and their player didn''t get the ball. Just a few yards out of the box too.

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[quote user="Trent Canary"][quote user="NottsCanary"][quote user="Trent Canary"]Thought he was good to be honest, other than not giving us a free kick at the end. We could have had a couple more free kicks in the second half, but Watford could have had a couple more in the first.We moan when referees blow their whistle every few seconds, so it was good to see a ref who would let the 50/50 tackles go.[/quote]The foul on drury towards the end was a clear foul, the watford player didnt even get close to the ball!!!! I thought the ref was fairly poor, was good that he let play go on, but not when it should have been a FK!!![/quote]Was that the one when we were on the attack (Memories gone blank). If so I agree. I dont think there was much of a foul in the build-up to the third, it would have been generous. I was more concerned with the comical defending that took place during the build up.To be honest after every game we lose the referee automatically gets criticised, and usually when we win as well![/quote]I would agree 100% that the defence was more worrying than the ref, but yes that foul when we were on the attack was just frustrating!!

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[quote user="Marty"][quote user="Trent Canary"][quote user="Marty"]the foul for their goal was a poor miss, he was feet away and it was clear cut. we also had a good penalty shout. Other than that he was OK. But these basic errors don''t help do they?[/quote]Where was the good penalty shout? I didnt see one myself.[/quote]

93rd min, our player was floored and their player didn''t get the ball. Just a few yards out of the box too.[/quote]Sorry I asked where you thought the good penalty shout was? That was clearly a foul, and the ref was right in front of it, a definite error.

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I really didn''t see anything wrong with the ''foul'' before the 3rd goal. Thought the players were just going for a 50/50 ball. The whole game the ref allowed a lot of 50/50 balls. To give them at the end would have shown inconsistantly because he had been letting go the whole game.

I feel you should be more annoyed with the lack of professionalism of Nelson and Russell for not playing to the whistle if anything.

Am i being to level headed?

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Oh come on, he wasnt that bad. Was he at fault for the 1st 2 Watford goals? No.

Are we going to blame referees all season again like in 2008-09? We were not good enough, and hopefully this will ensure they get a boot up the arse, and realise they cant just beat teams by walking on the pitch like in League One, they will have to work 5 times aas hard this season. if they are not up to it, ship them out.

A season, of consolodation, and adjustment for some players, and a push next season will do me.

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[quote user="Brackley Canary"]Was it just me or was the referee''s overall performance shocking, how Watford''s 3rd goal counted I will never know was a clear free kick to us, and in my opinion Holt should have had a penalty for the arms around him. But as usual the referees wherever we go do NOT seem to change!!!!![/quote]

Always easy to blame the ref - thought he only made one bad decision and that was the free kick we should have had in injury time just outside the area - other than that thought we were pretty poor with only three shots on target two of which got us goals and the only other one from a free kick by Martin - apart from Hoolihan trying to mix things up did not think we really had a clue and even at 2-1 then 3-2 did not think we had enough in us to get the draw - good wake up call though

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Fair points people have made on here, I do think that our performance was not good at all and we need to improve quickly, I agree that the defence does look poor, and that Ruddy looks slightly concerning.

We do need to be come stronger as referee''s may see things differently in the Championship than they do in League 1.

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[quote user="Brackley Canary"]Fair points people have made on here, I do think that our performance was not good at all and we need to improve quickly, I agree that the defence does look poor, and that Ruddy looks slightly concerning.

We do need to be come stronger as referee''s may see things differently in the Championship than they do in League 1.[/quote]

The difference between Championship refs and League One refs is that the former are slightly less random than the latter!

Good ref today though ... you have to praise them when they try to let the game flow.

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[quote user="nevermind"]i didnt think it was a foul for the goal, he hardly touched him[/quote]I think it only looked like a foul because Fox threw his hands in the air and complained about it, instead of actually getting back in defense and trying to win the ball back.Frankly the more ''Fouls'' like that, that arent given in football, the better the game would be.But anyway, all comes down to opinion.

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I imagine the foul Trent is referring to at the end of the game wasn''t given as the ball had ''gone'' I don''t think the referee missed it.

However as far im concerned you cant just hack players down like that regardless of him moving the ball on, imo it just makes the tackle unbelievable late and should still be given as a foul.

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TBH if we had won tonight, I doubt the ref would''ve really been mentioned that much.  On the balance of some of the awful ones we''ve had over the past season or two, this one wasn''t too bad.

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[quote user="newyorkcanary"]The ref missed a call or two but no one can say that the better team didn''t win tonight.  Nelson was much more shocking than the ref.[/quote]Really?? Nelsinho?? [:)] Were you watching the same game as me because I thought he did ok. He also scored- with his feet. Which is pretty good/rare. I''ve been his biggest critic in the past, but I thought Ward looked the shakier of the two tonight.Not really any stand out performances to shout about, but Crofts and Hoolahan should get a mention for at least trying something a bit different and competing.

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Ref did not have much to do - the only annoyance I had with him was the last minute foul on Surman, which was a foul and would have provided us with a decent shooting opportunity. Other than that you cannot really complain.

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[quote user="CashCasinoCrane"][quote user="newyorkcanary"]The ref missed a call or two but no one can say that the better team didn''t win tonight.  Nelson was much more shocking than the ref.[/quote]Really?? Nelsinho?? [:)] Were you watching the same game as me because I thought he did ok. He also scored- with his feet. Which is pretty good/rare. I''ve been his biggest critic in the past, but I thought Ward looked the shakier of the two tonight.Not really any stand out performances to shout about, but Crofts and Hoolahan should get a mention for at least trying something a bit different and competing.[/quote]Nelson''s going to be the new Doc, you''ll love him or..... not love him[:)]

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