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[quote user="morty"][quote user="CanaryJames"]Ah the lovely & bitter old ''Students are a drain on society and should be ashamed of wanting to give themselves better long-term prospects'' band are out in force again I see...[/quote]Better long term prospects that will ultimately pay them a better wage you mean?They can''t have their cake and eat it. Lifes about choices, they choose not to take employment, their luxuries shouldn''t be subsidised.[/quote]

But if students weren''t given loans and didn''t have some things subsisdised alot of people wouldn''t be able to afford to go to university and the country would run short of people to fill the higher skilled jobs...To be fair though this only applies to proper degrees, not basket making or art history which are a good excuse for getting pissed for 3 years!

[/quote]Like you said in your post above though, its about a certain amount of sacrifice. I am not in a great financial position right now, and I am sacrificing other things to be able to afford to go to football.Lifes like that, and the rules should be the same for everyone.

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[quote user="morty"][quote user="CanaryJames"]Ah the lovely & bitter old ''Students are a drain on society and should be ashamed of wanting to give themselves better long-term prospects'' band are out in force again I see...[/quote]Better long term prospects that will ultimately pay them a better wage you mean?They can''t have their cake and eat it. Lifes about choices, they choose not to take employment, their luxuries shouldn''t be subsidised.[/quote]

But if students weren''t given loans and didn''t have some things subsisdised alot of people wouldn''t be able to afford to go to university and the country would run short of people to fill the higher skilled jobs...To be fair though this only applies to proper degrees, not basket making or art history which are a good excuse for getting pissed for 3 years!

[/quote]Like you said in your post above though, its about a certain amount of sacrifice. I am not in a great financial position right now, and I am sacrificing other things to be able to afford to go to football.Lifes like that, and the rules should be the same for everyone. [/quote]As a matter of interest, does that include pensioners, Morty? By your stringent logic there should certainly be no concessions for pensioners. They can either carry on working after they hit retirement age, or save while they are working to pay to attend in their old age, or sell off possessions, or a combination of all three.

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[quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="morty"][quote user="ucl-canary"]

[quote user="morty"][quote user="CanaryJames"]Ah the lovely & bitter old ''Students are a drain on society and should be ashamed of wanting to give themselves better long-term prospects'' band are out in force again I see...[/quote]Better long term prospects that will ultimately pay them a better wage you mean?They can''t have their cake and eat it. Lifes about choices, they choose not to take employment, their luxuries shouldn''t be subsidised.[/quote]

But if students weren''t given loans and didn''t have some things subsisdised alot of people wouldn''t be able to afford to go to university and the country would run short of people to fill the higher skilled jobs...To be fair though this only applies to proper degrees, not basket making or art history which are a good excuse for getting pissed for 3 years!

[/quote]Like you said in your post above though, its about a certain amount of sacrifice. I am not in a great financial position right now, and I am sacrificing other things to be able to afford to go to football.Lifes like that, and the rules should be the same for everyone. [/quote]As a matter of interest, does that include pensioners, Morty? By your stringent logic there should certainly be no concessions for pensioners. They can either carry on working after they hit retirement age, or save while they are working to pay to attend in their old age, or sell off possessions, or a combination of all three.[/quote]The trouble is, with the pensioner question is, that it is extremely complex. In an ideal world it would be means tested, a lot of people who have retired have looked after their finances and planned ahead, and can afford football probably more so than anyone. However if someone is entirely relying on a state pension then they will be considerably worse off, but at the same time probably better off than unemployed people, who have never received a concession.I begrudge most of them getting a concession, whilst they still find money for bingo, hats, and premium cat food.

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[quote user="morty"][quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="morty"][quote user="ucl-canary"]

[quote user="morty"][quote user="CanaryJames"]Ah the lovely & bitter old ''Students are a drain on society and should be ashamed of wanting to give themselves better long-term prospects'' band are out in force again I see...[/quote]Better long term prospects that will ultimately pay them a better wage you mean?They can''t have their cake and eat it. Lifes about choices, they choose not to take employment, their luxuries shouldn''t be subsidised.[/quote]

But if students weren''t given loans and didn''t have some things subsisdised alot of people wouldn''t be able to afford to go to university and the country would run short of people to fill the higher skilled jobs...To be fair though this only applies to proper degrees, not basket making or art history which are a good excuse for getting pissed for 3 years!

[/quote]Like you said in your post above though, its about a certain amount of sacrifice. I am not in a great financial position right now, and I am sacrificing other things to be able to afford to go to football.Lifes like that, and the rules should be the same for everyone. [/quote]As a matter of interest, does that include pensioners, Morty? By your stringent logic there should certainly be no concessions for pensioners. They can either carry on working after they hit retirement age, or save while they are working to pay to attend in their old age, or sell off possessions, or a combination of all three.[/quote]The trouble is, with the pensioner question is, that it is extremely complex. In an ideal world it would be means tested, a lot of people who have retired have looked after their finances and planned ahead, and can afford football probably more so than anyone. However if someone is entirely relying on a state pension then they will be considerably worse off, but at the same time probably better off than unemployed people, who have never received a concession.I begrudge most of them getting a concession, whilst they still find money for bingo, hats, and premium cat food.[/quote]But as you have said, even those living purely on a state pension are probably better off than the jobless. And even if they are not,  they do - as I outlined - have all sorts of choices they could make so they could afford to pay the full price for football. Just, as you have pointed out, as the jobless have choices to make. Just as those who opt for higher education.Unless the club brings in means testing (and that would have to apply to everybody) the logic of your position (as you have sort of admitted) is that pensioners should not get concessions at all.

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[quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="morty"][quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="morty"][quote user="ucl-canary"]

[quote user="morty"][quote user="CanaryJames"]Ah the lovely & bitter old ''Students are a drain on society and should be ashamed of wanting to give themselves better long-term prospects'' band are out in force again I see...[/quote]Better long term prospects that will ultimately pay them a better wage you mean?They can''t have their cake and eat it. Lifes about choices, they choose not to take employment, their luxuries shouldn''t be subsidised.[/quote]

But if students weren''t given loans and didn''t have some things subsisdised alot of people wouldn''t be able to afford to go to university and the country would run short of people to fill the higher skilled jobs...To be fair though this only applies to proper degrees, not basket making or art history which are a good excuse for getting pissed for 3 years!

[/quote]Like you said in your post above though, its about a certain amount of sacrifice. I am not in a great financial position right now, and I am sacrificing other things to be able to afford to go to football.Lifes like that, and the rules should be the same for everyone. [/quote]As a matter of interest, does that include pensioners, Morty? By your stringent logic there should certainly be no concessions for pensioners. They can either carry on working after they hit retirement age, or save while they are working to pay to attend in their old age, or sell off possessions, or a combination of all three.[/quote]The trouble is, with the pensioner question is, that it is extremely complex. In an ideal world it would be means tested, a lot of people who have retired have looked after their finances and planned ahead, and can afford football probably more so than anyone. However if someone is entirely relying on a state pension then they will be considerably worse off, but at the same time probably better off than unemployed people, who have never received a concession.I begrudge most of them getting a concession, whilst they still find money for bingo, hats, and premium cat food.[/quote]But as you have said, even those living purely on a state pension are probably better off than the jobless. And even if they are not,  they do - as I outlined - have all sorts of choices they could make so they could afford to pay the full price for football. Just, as you have pointed out, as the jobless have choices to make. Just as those who opt for higher education.Unless the club brings in means testing (and that would have to apply to everybody) the logic of your position (as you have sort of admitted) is that pensioners should not get concessions at all.[/quote]I agree, I don''t think they should get concessions. Or at the very least, the concessions should be reduced, as I know that they are very generous indeed.

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[quote user="morty"][quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="morty"][quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="morty"][quote user="ucl-canary"]

[quote user="morty"][quote user="CanaryJames"]Ah the lovely & bitter old ''Students are a drain on society and should be ashamed of wanting to give themselves better long-term prospects'' band are out in force again I see...[/quote]Better long term prospects that will ultimately pay them a better wage you mean?They can''t have their cake and eat it. Lifes about choices, they choose not to take employment, their luxuries shouldn''t be subsidised.[/quote]

But if students weren''t given loans and didn''t have some things subsisdised alot of people wouldn''t be able to afford to go to university and the country would run short of people to fill the higher skilled jobs...To be fair though this only applies to proper degrees, not basket making or art history which are a good excuse for getting pissed for 3 years!

[/quote]Like you said in your post above though, its about a certain amount of sacrifice. I am not in a great financial position right now, and I am sacrificing other things to be able to afford to go to football.Lifes like that, and the rules should be the same for everyone. [/quote]As a matter of interest, does that include pensioners, Morty? By your stringent logic there should certainly be no concessions for pensioners. They can either carry on working after they hit retirement age, or save while they are working to pay to attend in their old age, or sell off possessions, or a combination of all three.[/quote]The trouble is, with the pensioner question is, that it is extremely complex. In an ideal world it would be means tested, a lot of people who have retired have looked after their finances and planned ahead, and can afford football probably more so than anyone. However if someone is entirely relying on a state pension then they will be considerably worse off, but at the same time probably better off than unemployed people, who have never received a concession.I begrudge most of them getting a concession, whilst they still find money for bingo, hats, and premium cat food.[/quote]But as you have said, even those living purely on a state pension are probably better off than the jobless. And even if they are not,  they do - as I outlined - have all sorts of choices they could make so they could afford to pay the full price for football. Just, as you have pointed out, as the jobless have choices to make. Just as those who opt for higher education.Unless the club brings in means testing (and that would have to apply to everybody) the logic of your position (as you have sort of admitted) is that pensioners should not get concessions at all.[/quote]I agree, I don''t think they should get concessions. Or at the very least, the concessions should be reduced, as I know that they are very generous indeed.[/quote]Well, speaking as a retired art historian I just want to say I don''t take that personally![;)]

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But if students weren''t given loans and didn''t have some things subsisdised alot of people wouldn''t be able to afford to go to university and the country would run short of people to fill the higher skilled jobs...To be fair though this only applies to proper degrees, not basket making or art history which are a good excuse for getting pissed for 3 years!

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There are many ways to get to the "higher skilled jobs" without degrees. It''s just a shame that kids are "brain washed" into thinking that Uni is the only way. This time in three years I will have no debts and a fair amount of savings, 2 diplomas and a degree. All despite leaving school at 17. I will also have over 10 years experience in working in my chosen profession and be classed as a specialist. It can be done but kids are told to go to college ro 6th Form and get A levels that aren''t worth the paper they are written on. This year there will be a large group of students out of work, eitehr at 18 because they have rubbish A Levels or at 21 because they have rubbish degrees. The company I work for will not even consider and degrees below a 2-1 and that''s despite taking in more than double the graduates we took in last year and having a skills gap because so many people are due to retire in the next few years (like the person I work alongside who I have been learnign from for the last 3 years).

On the subsidised bit I''m all for that just not for our club. We need money and why should the club let soemone under 21 get a discount if there is someone willing to pay full price? Maybe they should allow under 21 prices from the ticket office on match days or something.

Oh and CanaryJames, I''m not bitter, why should I be? I''ll have my degree when I''m 30. I will have a nice car and a nice flat. I will also have a guaranteed job and a degree which all apart from 2 modules (these two I chose out of personal interest) will have been tailored to my job and career.

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Not being arrogant but the university i''m at and the degree i''m doing don''t fall into the category of rubbish degrees.

True that there are others ways to get into certain proffessions...

But for example I am coming towards the end of an internship this week and they will only offer jobs to students with good degrees and there is not other way to get to the position. I think when you applied for a job times were different and these days anyone without a good degree in top the jobs would stand out and not in a good way.

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[quote user="Rach94"]i am considering just going through the turnstiles with the over 60 ticket and saying i am 15. just hope they don''t ID me, cause i do look over 16 :/[/quote]If you genuinely are over 16, flash me your knockers and I''ll let you in for free. [6]

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[quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="Rach94"]i am considering just going through the turnstiles with the over 60 ticket and saying i am 15. just hope they don''t ID me, cause i do look over 16 :/[/quote]

If you genuinely are over 16, flash me your knockers and I''ll let you in for free. [6]
[/quote]Lol Chops you dirty man. [:P]

How''s the son? [:)]

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[quote user="Davo"]Maybe they should allow under 21 prices from the ticket office on match days or something.

Davo

[/quote]Now that''s a brilliant idea. Allowing student concessions at the ticket office on match days. Would certainly maximise capital received by the club and would also near enough guarantee sell-out matches.And Morty, you seem to be a very, very bitter person. FYI, I''m doing an Accounting degree so know all about maximising revenue etc - however, I doubt you''ll see *that* many matches sold out this season with pricing now the way it is.Nearly every other club does a student rate, so why not Norwich? If matches can sell out then fine, I see why they''ve removed under-21 tickets, even if I don''t agree with it. But by what you''re saying Morty, everything that offers a student discount is awful - companies recognise students are "hard-up" and so offer discounts in a way to encourage them to participate in activities. Just remember - us ''youngsters'' are the future supporters of the Canaries, not a good idea to put us off coming to CR!If i''m wrong, i''ll happily stand up and say i''m wrong - I just can''t see it happening.

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[quote user="UEAcanary"][quote user="Davo"]Maybe they should allow under 21 prices from the ticket office on match days or something.

Davo

[/quote]Now that''s a brilliant idea. Allowing student concessions at the ticket office on match days. Would certainly maximise capital received by the club and would also near enough guarantee sell-out matches.And Morty, you seem to be a very, very bitter person. FYI, I''m doing an Accounting degree so know all about maximising revenue etc - however, I doubt you''ll see *that* many matches sold out this season with pricing now the way it is.Nearly every other club does a student rate, so why not Norwich? If matches can sell out then fine, I see why they''ve removed under-21 tickets, even if I don''t agree with it. But by what you''re saying Morty, everything that offers a student discount is awful - companies recognise students are "hard-up" and so offer discounts in a way to encourage them to participate in activities. Just remember - us ''youngsters'' are the future supporters of the Canaries, not a good idea to put us off coming to CR!If i''m wrong, i''ll happily stand up and say i''m wrong - I just can''t see it happening.[/quote]I''m not bitter in any way at all. I just don''t agree with the "the world owes me something" attitude. I fully support students getting discount on educational materials, clothing, and I would even agree with a subsidy on food, as these are all essentials, football isn''t, its a luxury, and one that people can have if they can afford it.You are choosing to do your degree, and when you are a high flyer, earning 50, 60, 70k I''m sure you will have no problems at all paying off your student loan.But you are unlikely to get much sympathy from average wage earners who work hard to be able to afford to go to matches.

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Therein lies an issue.  When youre a student, you want discounts to everything.  When youre a taxpayer helping to subsidise students, you want them to have nothing at all

Personally I think there needs to be a re-assessment of pricing.  Those on benefits (including EMA) or Students perhaps deserve a discount.  But then youre into the issue the Government are currently considering - that benefits & grants are there to LIVE on and if you can afford ''Extras'' theyre paying you way too much

As for Students being ''the future'', thats unfortunately a fallacy for most - show me one student in a top job and I can show you 10 either struggling along with everyone else or completely unemployed - and I say this as a former student (OK its 20 years ago) that is struggling along with everyone else

Youre then into the realms of parents - should they get cheap tickets as they have to provide for their kids?  People in lower paid jobs?  Part time workers?  All ''deserve'' the chance to have cheaper tickets in their own way.  Supermembers?  Ordinary members?  People that have never been to CR before - to try and get them through the gate

Unfortunately its the old supply & demand issue.  The club will argue that why should they give a discount when they can sell the same seat for more.  If you were selling something - say a TV in the Freeads - would you sell it to someone that would pay you say £100 or would you sell it to someone that offered you £60 because they were a student?  Why should the club do anything different?

It becomes a different issue if crowds slip though - as its then better to sell a ticket for £10 than leave it empty

 

 

 

 

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Not being arrogant but the university i''m at and the degree i''m doing don''t fall into the category of rubbish degrees.

True that there are others ways to get into certain proffessions...

But for example I am coming towards the end of an internship this week and they will only offer jobs to students with good degrees and there is not other way to get to the position. I think when you applied for a job times were different and these days anyone without a good degree in top the jobs would stand out and not in a good way.

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I know this is only a message board but if you sent an apllication form to me,written like that,degree or no degree you would not get passed first base.

If that is an example of "standing out in a good way" .

 

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Oh, I completely agree. It may be called unfair etc (even by me!), but as long as there is sufficient demand for tickets, then fair play to the club for putting prices up.

It is, after all, a business and not a community football club. It''s run to make money!

I agree also that if you can afford such luxuries then the government may be paying you too much. However, (and I may be in the minority here!) I budget for my year ahead and if I want to go to a football match I make sure I spend less on food for a couple of weeks before so I can afford it.

And I like my food!

If that isn''t a dedicated fan, what is ;)

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[quote user="Barclay hero"]It becomes a different issue if crowds slip though - as its then better to sell a ticket for £10 than leave it empty

 

 

 

 

[/quote]BH, the problem with that is that if you wait until crowds start falling then it is already too late. The club cannot afford to lose a generation of supporters. Obviously there is a tricky balancing act that has to be pulled off, given that Carrow Road can only hold so many people. But until now the club has pretty much got the pricing right in terms of filling the stadium and still having would-be customers.That is the ideal position. Better than just having enough customers, and much better than starting to have too few.Apart from anything else, without a pricing policy that maintains an overflow of would-be customers you will never be in a position to justify increasing the size of the stadium.

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This really is a dificult one to call imo. One of the problems with our finances has been the cheap way we have been selling tickets to fill the ground. As a for instance my sons season ticket only costs £90, a little under Â£4 per game. You would only need an adult to sit in that seat 3 times in a season to make the same money. If it was sold every game to a non concession @£30 that seat would have an income of £690 a vast difference. I think about 25% of our season ticket holders pay that price ( please correct me if I am wrong ). Do I think his ticket is to cheap - I must say yes. However for most home games we will only have about 5000 casual tickets on sale. I work this out based on 20500 season tickets, average 1200 away supporters ( paying casual prices ) segregation and around 1000 hospitality / give aways. If we are doing well these seats will be sold almost whatever the price. Strangely also if we are in a relegation battle the same will aply. Based on the higher prices however we pobably only need to sell half these tickets to make the same money as if it was a full house. I think also there are a number of games we are garunteed to sell outas ifwe dont want the tickets the away fans will Ipswich and Leeds spring to mind. I  want a successful club and unfortunately higher prices is part of that. I trust McNally to get us out of this mess, which I am sure we would not have been in if he had been here for the last 10 years. I tend to think that my sons season ticket will go up to £150 next year and mine will increase by 10% for the next 5 years. Will I moan - probably, will I moan more if we constantly struggle at the foot of the championship - definitely. I cant have it both ways though - no funds = s*** team and crap manager, better funds = good manager and the possibility of a premiership team. Personally I think therefore Mr McNally has given us a reallity check.  

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Lambert is king- absolutely superb post [Y] [*].  I don`t think prices will go up as much as you fear (unless we get to the Prem.!), but unless we can somehow significantly increase our capacity i think we`ll see a few years of increases.  And as long as that translates into funds for the manager i`m happy with that.  I find it very interesting that none of the posts criticising the club actually mention the manager and team that the current board have spent good money assembling..... Has going to the football become a nice, cheap family day out and "who cares about the score" to many people?

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Strange post for you Mr C! I would have thought with your well entrenched view, that the club could quite comfortably compete if it didn''t waste the money on other things, you would prefer that they didn''t go to the fans to subsidise it any further.

 

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Strange post for you Mr C! I would have thought with your well entrenched view, that the club could quite comfortably compete if it didn''t waste the money on other things, you would prefer that they didn''t go to the fans to subsidise it any further.

 

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Why strange?  It`s very similar to dozens of other posts i`ve made this summer.  We are cutting back off the pitch and we are net spenders on football players, rather than net sellers as we were before the new board took over.  All good as far as i`m concerned.  If you can find a post by me stating that i don`t agree with price increases when we`re showing ambition on the pitch i`d love to see it.  Otherwise it`s just yet another instance of the cartoon image of me you`ve created in your head not matching reality.  Age i suppose......

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[quote user="Lambert is King"]This really is a dificult one to call imo. One of the problems with our finances has been the cheap way we have been selling tickets to fill the ground. As a for instance my sons season ticket only costs £90, a little under Â£4 per game. You would only need an adult to sit in that seat 3 times in a season to make the same money. If it was sold every game to a non concession @£30 that seat would have an income of £690 a vast difference. I think about 25% of our season ticket holders pay that price ( please correct me if I am wrong ). Do I think his ticket is to cheap - I must say yes. However for most home games we will only have about 5000 casual tickets on sale. I work this out based on 20500 season tickets, average 1200 away supporters ( paying casual prices ) segregation and around 1000 hospitality / give aways. If we are doing well these seats will be sold almost whatever the price. Strangely also if we are in a relegation battle the same will aply. Based on the higher prices however we pobably only need to sell half these tickets to make the same money as if it was a full house. I think also there are a number of games we are garunteed to sell outas ifwe dont want the tickets the away fans will Ipswich and Leeds spring to mind. I  want a successful club and unfortunately higher prices is part of that. I trust McNally to get us out of this mess, which I am sure we would not have been in if he had been here for the last 10 years. I tend to think that my sons season ticket will go up to £150 next year and mine will increase by 10% for the next 5 years. Will I moan - probably, will I moan more if we constantly struggle at the foot of the championship - definitely. I cant have it both ways though - no funds = s*** team and crap manager, better funds = good manager and the possibility of a premiership team. Personally I think therefore Mr McNally has given us a reallity check.  [/quote]LiK, if I''ve understood this right, you are in favour of the club increasing your son''s season ticket price by 66 per cent (while yours goes up by 10 per cent) so that your son cannot anymore afford to go. His seat will then be available for the club to sell at a much higher price to an adult.Whether this would actually work as a plan is another matter, but that is what you think should happen?

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i think i have started something here!

i only made this topic cause i was annoyed at how much i had to pay to upgrade my grandads ticket, having just turned 16 they would make me pay an adult upgrade, didn''t realise that the club were scrapping the U21 price. i was always gonna pay it, now everyones talking about the choices young people make etc. yeah i''m going sixth form in september, had a season ticket last year but sacrificed it to get a PT job ... to be fair guys, if ANYTHING, they should bring an under 18 price back in.

or maybe norwich should just make the price of tickets cheaper for everyone, pay the big shots a little less :P

doubt it would ever happen though.

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[quote user="Mr.Carrow"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

Strange post for you Mr C! I would have thought with your well entrenched view, that the club could quite comfortably compete if it didn''t waste the money on other things, you would prefer that they didn''t go to the fans to subsidise it any further.

 

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Why strange?  It`s very similar to dozens of other posts i`ve made this summer.  We are cutting back off the pitch and we are net spenders on football players, rather than net sellers as we were before the new board took over.  All good as far as i`m concerned.  If you can find a post by me stating that i don`t agree with price increases when we`re showing ambition on the pitch i`d love to see it.  Otherwise it`s just yet another instance of the cartoon image of me you`ve created in your head not matching reality.  Age i suppose......

[/quote]

You are evading the point Mr C. You have always maintained that the fans generate enough income for us to be competitive in the Championship. You reckoned it was the board wasting this money that stopped us being competitive. Either you were wrong or you now think it''s ok to subsidise this wastefulness to a greater degree.

My cartoon image of you................

Don''t go there... you really don''t wanna know [;)]

 

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And you have always maintained that you wanted our best players sold to plough money into unnecessary fixed assets nutty.  Simplistically misrepresenting another posters argument can work both ways.....  How do you think we have afforded to be net spenders on the team since the new board took over?  What`s changed?

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Nothings changed Mr C. We still can''t afford to maintain a competitive squad in the Championship. But the new board seem to have decided that the fans should make up the difference needed to make us competitive. Maybe Delia''s trusty old purse is running dry[:O]

 

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[quote user="nutty nigel"]

Nothings changed Mr C. We still can''t afford to maintain a competitive squad in the Championship. But the new board seem to have decided that the fans should make up the difference needed to make us competitive. Maybe Delia''s trusty old purse is running dry[:O]

 

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So what is it with all these cutbacks off the pitch nutty, when you told me there was nothing to cut back?  What did McNally mean when he said loss-making activities wouldn`t be tolerated?  And, funnily enough, it`s coincided with the club actually being able to spend money on the pitch rather than treating the team as a cash-cow.  Reckon we`ll ever end up with only nine senior pro`s in the squad with the current approach?  The "obsession" has moved back to where it should be- with providing the supporters with the best team possible on the pitch.

And it`s a shame that you don`t think we can be competitive this season.  Sounds a little bit negative and anti-club to me [:O]  Nancy nigel has quite a ring to it.......

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