The Return Of Little Old Norwich!

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[quote user="CambridgeCanary"]

My glass is more than half full with a good west coast malt thank you for asking.  Sorry about yours but perhaps the taste of your own bile will mask the contents.

Things have changed dramatically over the last year nothwithstanding Delia''s continuing ownership.  Since you have been away for the past year, you might have missed it.  Treat yourself to a dvd for £14.99 and see what you have missed.

[/quote]If you''re drinking at this time of day then you have more than one issue to resolve.......Cambridge Canary.... a contradiction in itself.  La de bloody da.

[CambridgeCanary 0]

What is they say about

"Out of the mouth of babes"?

[Mr.Carrow 376]

I`m going to stick my neck out and say that, given the context of the debt situation and the fact that the club was financially clobbered by relegation, the last year has been the most ambitious ncfc have been on the pitch since Delia took over.  She basically accepted she`d got it wrong when she encouraged an arch-critic in Bowkett to become chairman (i don`t remember Dennis and all the other loyalists being too welcoming of his "open letter", but there you go......).  What has happened since has been nothing short of a revelation and i truly believe we could now be in administration if those changes had not been implemented.

This is why i find the pernicious whinging about a few quid here or there on ticket prices or a cup of coffee so ridiculous.  Getting Lambert and his back-room team cost the club getting on for a million.  Supporting him in transforming our fortunes on the pitch cost several million more and is ongoing.  Surely that`s worth supporting with an extra few quid here or there?

[PurpleCanary 5,554]

[quote user="yellow hammer"]The Thai Consortium taking over Leicester City, King Power Group, are extemely well connected and extraordinarily wealthy.

They hold the monopoly on duty-free shopping at the Thai International airport, And the new airport seems to have been designed so that all incoming and outgoing passengers are channelled into the shopping zone. You have to be quite influential to get an airport designed around your monopoly shops.

The duty-free shopping is well known for two reasons - one, is that the goods are actually more expensive than at regular shops. The second claim to fame of King Power is that they have been allegedly involved in setting up scams with the corrupt police force. Innocent shoppers being hauled off to secluded airport motels and accused of shoplifting, and being released once a ransom has been paid.

King Power has denied any such involvement. Check out You-tubes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HCbof5nceM&feature=related

And see if you think these kind of people should be in English football[/quote]Interesting comments about King Power, yellow hammer. Strictly speaking it is not actually King Power that has taken over Leicester, but a consortium that includes the son of the owner of King Power. As to what the situation is in practice, that may of course be another matter.

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[quote] Getting Lambert and his back-room team cost the club getting on for a

million.  Supporting him in transforming our fortunes on the pitch cost

several million more and is ongoing.  Surely that`s worth supporting

with an extra few quid here or there?[/quote]If you have the money, yes.  If you don''t, then you be charged out of the game - one way of keeping the riff-raff out I suppose, to quote Basil Fawlty.  I hope season tickets stay cheap, because championship football tends to be attritional in nature.

[PurpleCanary 5,554]

[quote user="blahblahblah"][quote] Getting Lambert and his back-room team cost the club getting on for a

million.  Supporting him in transforming our fortunes on the pitch cost

several million more and is ongoing.  Surely that`s worth supporting

with an extra few quid here or there?[/quote]If you have the money, yes.  If you don''t, then you be charged out of the game - one way of keeping the riff-raff out I suppose, to quote Basil Fawlty.  I hope season tickets stay cheap, because championship football tends to be attritional in nature.[/quote]---Indeed, blah, the season ticket prices are the thing to look for. And

despite what at least two posters have said recently, we cannot afford

to lose the next generation of supporters. That would be disastrous.

The other point is that the argument is being put around is that we have

been spending all this money on managers and coaches and players

because of cost-cutting at Carrow Road and the recent squeezing of customers. To

put it crudely, we could afford to pay however much it was for Surman

because McNally knew he was going to put up the price of coffee months

later.

At the margins there may be some small - mainly symbolic - truth in that. But there are two

other factors that are likely to have been much more relevant. The debt

repayment holiday. And directors putting their hands in their pockets.

Again.

[blahblahblah 2]

[quote] we cannot afford

to lose the next generation of supporters. That would be disastrous.[/quote]Nail on the head there PC - is it just me, but watching Match of the The Day, there seems to be a prevalence of 50 year old men cheering on blokes young enough to be their sons.  Will there be anyone to fill the gaps they eventually leave ?

[Mr.Carrow 376]

Blah, prices are only a few quid more than in those awful seasons leading to relegation or last season in the third division.  I honestly think there are very few people who paid the £27 i paid against Colchester (I don`t remember too many moans) who now can`t possibly afford the £29 i`ll be paying to watch a much a vastly improved team against a good footballing side in Swansea.  There seem to be some people with serious chips on their shoulders with the new board, and others who don`t seem able to correlate cheap prices/poor team in decline and slightly higher prices/ambition and investment in an improving team.  I don`t even think we are above average price-wise in the Champs (including S.Ticket prices,concessions etc.) so i`m really not sure what the fuss is about.

[PurpleCanary 5,554]

[quote user="blahblahblah"][quote] we cannot afford

to lose the next generation of supporters. That would be disastrous.[/quote]Nail on the head there PC - is it just me, but watching Match of the The Day, there seems to be a prevalence of 50 year old men cheering on blokes young enough to be their sons.  Will there be anyone to fill the gaps they eventually leave ?[/quote]blah, I don''t get to see MotD, but there was a recent report (which annoyingly I didn''t copy out...) which said exactly that - that the percentage of young people at Premier League games was at its lowest for however long it was. And the reason? The new/next generation was being priced out of attending. That cannot happen at Carrow Road.

[PurpleCanary 5,554]

[quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="blahblahblah"][quote] we cannot afford

to lose the next generation of supporters. That would be disastrous.[/quote]Nail on the head there PC - is it just me, but watching Match of the The Day, there seems to be a prevalence of 50 year old men cheering on blokes young enough to be their sons.  Will there be anyone to fill the gaps they eventually leave ?[/quote]blah, I don''t get to see MotD, but there was a recent report (which annoyingly I didn''t copy out...) which said exactly that - that the percentage of young people at Premier League games was at its lowest for however long it was. And the reason? The new/next generation was being priced out of attending. That cannot happen at Carrow Road.[/quote]Should have looked a bit harder. In a BBC blog by Matt Slater:---

The Premier League should also be concerned about its ageing demographics. According to the Football Supporters'' Federation,

only one in 10 fans at any given game is under the age of 24. Two

decades of rising prices have transformed the profile of the average

Premier League supporter.

So the short-term outlook remains relatively positive but there could

be trouble in store the next time an economic downturn asks football

fans if they can really afford their season tickets.

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[quote]  I don`t even think we are above average price-wise in the Champs

(including S.Ticket prices,concessions etc.) so i`m really not sure what

the fuss is about.

[/quote]If your 14 pounds per game season ticket becomes a 20+ pounds per game season ticket I think you will see a lot of fuss.  Or alternatively a lot of leaving for the exits, unless we''re a Premiership team.

[Mr.Carrow 376]

Blah, if we win 4 of our next 6 games i`m sure the fuss about paying a few quid extra to watch a better team in a higher league will be replaced by fuss because games sell out too quickly leaving alot of our next generation of supporters ticketless and disappointed.

I`m also sure that if we get another Cup draw against lower league opposition there will be another kids-for-a-quid game for all the "We demand cheap football, who cares about the debt" types to take full advantage of.  Then no doubt if we draw Man.U. at home in the next round they`ll whinge that it sells out too quick and they didn`t get a chance to part with their £30-odd quid!  It`s called wanting it all ways.

[Mr.Carrow 376]

By the way, just had a quick check online for the Swansea game and the only place there are significant tickets left is the "returned" away block which is itself half full already.  The Barclay and Snakepit are virtually sold out.  Looking like a 26k crowd in the middle of the holiday season.....[:D]

[PurpleCanary 5,554]

[quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="First Wizard"]

It speaks volumes to me that you all avoided my earlier point:

I find it odd that Lecicester, a club very simular to us, also sought investment a short while ago, and 2 weeks ago new owners with some serious clout took them over.

Words like sand, bury, in and head spring to mind.

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Well, we shall see. But if the last few years have taught us anything it

is to take our heads out of the sand and look very closely at superficially fantastic football takeovers.

And the one at Leicester doesn''t so far even look that fantastic. All

that has happened is that a Thai businessman has bought a controlling

interest from Mandaric, putting money into Mandaric''s pocket rather than

the club. Estimates of this Thai businessman''s wealth seem thin on the

ground, although supposedly his father is the real moneybags and he is

worth a passable but not eye-watering £113m. And none of Leicester''s £26m debt is being paid off. And

there have been the usual vague comments on investment but not one hard

and fast promise.

[/quote]Just to back this up, there is a piece in today''s Guardian by David Conn (always required reading) which highlights the lack of hard and fast information about the supposed Leicester deal, including investment, and and even questions whether it has happened:---

Yet despite a round of press conferences and interviews, Mandaric has

still not confirmed publicly the basic details of the takeover: whether

he has sold out completely, who the investors are and in what

proportions they will own the club, and how much they have paid him.

Some well-informed

sources say the deal has not in fact gone through yet, that the Thai

investors are still conducting due diligence, inspecting Leicester''s

finances, which have recently recorded huge losses.---The full piece, for fellow obsessives, is at:http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2010/aug/25/leicester-takeover-football-league-transparency

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The number of  season tickets should be much more greatly restricted, thus allowing casual supporters the chance to come to games in groups rather than scattered to the winds as now.In the event of big matches etc..... what is wrong with a good old fashioned queue at the booking office like before. It was exciting and meant those determined enough would get to see the game, not those with the right ''connections''etc sat  on their arse at home......

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[quote user="Cluck"]The number of  season tickets should be much more greatly restricted, thus allowing casual supporters the chance to come to games in groups rather than scattered to the winds as now.

In the event of big matches etc..... what is wrong with a good old fashioned queue at the booking office like before. It was exciting and meant those determined enough would get to see the game, not those with the right ''connections''etc sat  on their arse at home......
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I agree.

Democracy or a benevolent dictatorship would better drive success than maternalism.

But it won''t happen because the casual riffraff would exercise their rights to self-expression (both vocally and physically) by demonstrating and eventually voting with their feet at the first signs of prudence leading to failure on the field. Delia would then be only able to survive by transforming herself from that nice Mrs Average into a reincarnation of Margaret Thatcher - and she wouldn''t do that!

So maternalism it is; with captive crowds and the prospect of a nice little outing to the Prem for a year or so.

Unless perhaps Bowkett, McNally and Lambert are prepared to continue to face down the luvvie brigade and the chattering classes and make us into the lower/mid Prem side with the odd excursion up the table that we could realistically become (again).

  

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[quote user="Cluck"]The number of  season tickets should be much more greatly restricted, thus allowing casual supporters the chance to come to games in groups rather than scattered to the winds as now.In the event of big matches etc..... what is wrong with a good old fashioned queue at the booking office like before. It was exciting and meant those determined enough would get to see the game, not those with the right ''connections''etc sat  on their arse at home......[/quote]

I agree.

Democracy or a benevolent dictatorship would better drive success than maternalism.

But it won''t happen because the casual riffraff would exercise their rights to self-expression (both vocally and physically) by demonstrating and eventually voting with their feet at the first signs of prudence leading to failure on the field. Delia would then be only able to survive by transforming herself from that nice Mrs Average into a reincarnation of Margaret Thatcher - and she wouldn''t do that!

So maternalism it is; with captive crowds and the prospect of a nice little outing to the Prem for a year or so.

Unless perhaps Bowkett, McNally and Lambert are prepared to continue to face down the luvvie brigade and the chattering classes and make us into the lower/mid Prem side with the odd excursion up the table that we could realistically become (again).

  

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[/quote]Beautifully put Mr. Bly.After all.... like it or not.... look what that group of real supporters did to Robert Chase?  Can you see this current bunch of fannies doing something similar now?

[nutty nigel 7,510]

It makes you wonder doesn''t it?

When the Roy Blower led Chase Out Group chased out Big Bob they had a backbone! They were fearless men and women who stood up to all Chases attempts  to see them off. The police horses and sound systems never deterred them as they relentlessly chased out Chase.

So what has changed? Why are they now soooo spineless? Are these current bunch of fannies just keyboard warriors? I have no doubt that Big Bob would have eaten this lot for breakfast!

 

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[quote user="nutty nigel"]

It makes you wonder doesn''t it?

When the Roy Blower led Chase Out Group chased out Big Bob they had a backbone! They were fearless men and women who stood up to all Chases attempts  to see them off. The police horses and sound systems never deterred them as they relentlessly chased out Chase.

So what has changed? Why are they now soooo spineless? Are these current bunch of fannies just keyboard warriors? I have no doubt that Big Bob would have eaten this lot for breakfast!

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Yep, makes you wonder.

It''s all rather Orwellian in a way.

But rather than Big Brother we have Little Mama.

And instead of dogs of war we have sheep.

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It makes you wonder doesn''t it?

When the Roy Blower led Chase Out Group chased out Big Bob they had a backbone! They were fearless men and women who stood up to all Chases attempts  to see them off. The police horses and sound systems never deterred them as they relentlessly chased out Chase.

So what has changed? Why are they now soooo spineless? Are these current bunch of fannies just keyboard warriors? I have no doubt that Big Bob would have eaten this lot for breakfast!

 

[/quote]What medicine are you on exactly Nutless.... other than the gay viagra suppositories that is ?

[Beauseant 0]

Such fun to hear demands for season ticket holders to be culled from someone based in Devon and another in some unnamed Caribbean tax haven, but of course, you''re the REAL supporters, aren''t you ?

[nutty nigel 7,510]

But what about those dogs of war that remain...

Are they now too old to fight or did the cook and her cohorts remove their spine leaving them armed with only a keyboard. After all even sheep have a backbone. Is it just a temporary disability? Or will these invertebrate former dogs of war grow a spine again and stand up and be counted?

When will they rise again and save us? What a shame it would be if the glorious warriors popped their clogs only to be remembered for what they haven''t done....

 

 

[ron obvious 1,501]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

But what about those dogs of war that remain...

Are they now too old to fight or did the cook and her cohorts remove their spine leaving them armed with only a keyboard. After all even sheep have a backbone. Is it just a temporary disability? Or will these invertebrate former dogs of war grow a spine again and stand up and be counted?

When will they rise again and save us? What a shame it would be if the glorious warriors popped their clogs only to be remembered for what they haven''t done....

 

 

[/quote]Potitively Churchillian! Brilliant!

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[quote user="Beauseant"]Such fun to hear demands for season ticket holders to be culled from someone based in Devon and another in some unnamed Caribbean tax haven, but of course, you''re the REAL supporters, aren''t you ?[/quote]

Yes. And as a ''59er I claim seniority too!

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[quote user="nutty nigel"]

But what about those dogs of war that remain...

Are they now too old to fight or did the cook and her cohorts remove their spine leaving them armed with only a keyboard. After all even sheep have a backbone. Is it just a temporary disability? Or will these invertebrate former dogs of war grow a spine again and stand up and be counted?

When will they rise again and save us? What a shame it would be if the glorious warriors popped their clogs only to be remembered for what they haven''t done....

 

 

[/quote]I wouldn''t expend my waste bodily fluids should you spontaneously combust....and the same applies to your fellow Deliarite nancy boy chums.......Let the sheep stew in their own juices..... and then I and the Purists will be there to pick through the bones of what''s left of the club.....once Smith and her luvvie followers have drained the last gasp of life out of it.

[nutty nigel 7,510]

Is that what it''s come to? Those dogs of war who chased out Chase are now seen as nancy boys. Those brave men and women of days gone by are just Deliarite luvvies.

It''s worse than I thought. They won''t only be remembered for what they haven''t done. They will be remembered for what they have become.

It''s so so sad[:''(]

 

[Mello Yello 2,281]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

Is that what it''s come to? Those dogs of war who chased out Chase are now seen as nancy boys. Those brave men and women of days gone by are just Deliarite luvvies.

It''s worse than I thought. They won''t only be remembered for what they haven''t done. They will be remembered for what they have become.

It''s so so sad[:''(]

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What did you actually do in the war Gutless Nutless? Shove a pitchfork through your foot so you could avoid conscription? 

Maybe you attempted to repel those foaming rabid dogs of war - with a rapid firing of ''Tut Tut Tuts'' and an aggressive shaking of your head....as you meekly scuttled past the barking mad?

Whose side were you actually on?....Did you give a bone to the dogs....Or feed sugar lumps to the Police horses?

Would your beloved Worthy, have ever been made a team platoon commander, if that ''Big Bad Bob'' had remained Boss-man, in the belligerent battle against the boardroom?

Where did your true allegiance lie?.......Who did you want to win?......

Did you just evacuate yourself to a place of safety till the war had ceased.....then joyfully return, as a non-combatant victor?

 

 

 

 

 

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[quote user="nutty nigel"]

Is that what it''s come to? Those dogs of war who chased out Chase are now seen as nancy boys. Those brave men and women of days gone by are just Deliarite luvvies.

It''s worse than I thought. They won''t only be remembered for what they haven''t done. They will be remembered for what they have become.

It''s so so sad[:''(]

 

[/quote]We are still the same... but those who have followed us have been happy to enjoy the tradition we built ... but equally as happy to watch it die.NCFC is not what it was and I''m afraid it won''t be again until the cook and her patsies move on. Wallow in your own s*** by all means.

[nutty nigel 7,510]

[quote user="Mello Yello"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

Is that what it''s come to? Those dogs of war who chased out Chase are now seen as nancy boys. Those brave men and women of days gone by are just Deliarite luvvies.

It''s worse than I thought. They won''t only be remembered for what they haven''t done. They will be remembered for what they have become.

It''s so so sad[:''(]

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What did you actually do in the war Gutless Nutless? Shove a pitchfork through your foot so you could avoid conscription? 

Maybe you attempted to repel those foaming rabid dogs of war - with a rapid firing of ''Tut Tut Tuts'' and an aggressive shaking of your head....as you meekly scuttled past the barking mad?

Whose side were you actually on?....Did you give a bone to the dogs....Or feed sugar lumps to the Police horses?

Would your beloved Worthy, have ever been made a team platoon commander, if that ''Big Bad Bob'' had remained Boss-man, in the belligerent battle against the boardroom?

Where did your true allegiance lie?.......Who did you want to win?......

Did you just evacuate yourself to a place of safety till the war had ceased.....then joyfully return, as a non-combatant victor?

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I was on the side of the honest man my little Keyboard Kate. Do you know who that was? Was it Chase or Chase Out? Or hadn''t you left the platoon and turned yellow at that time....

 

[nutty nigel 7,510]

[quote user="Cluck"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

Is that what it''s come to? Those dogs of war who chased out Chase are now seen as nancy boys. Those brave men and women of days gone by are just Deliarite luvvies.

It''s worse than I thought. They won''t only be remembered for what they haven''t done. They will be remembered for what they have become.

It''s so so sad[:''(]

 

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We are still the same... but those who have followed us have been happy to enjoy the tradition we built ... but equally as happy to watch it die.

NCFC is not what it was and I''m afraid it won''t be again until the cook and her patsies move on. Wallow in your own s*** by all means.
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And who is this we who are still the same? What did we build? Did we chase out Chase?

Where is the house that cluck built
Where is the Chase that lived in the house that cluck built
Where is the rat that chased out Chase
Who lived in the house that cluck built.