McVeigh needs to start (Honest!)

[DOGGER 0]

No, really, hear me out!![:O]

With Hoolihan out injured, i think Lambert is missing a trick here.[Y]

WLY is the next nearest thing we have to Hoolihan in terms of his quick feet and footballing brain, i know many fans think he''s past it and too fat (which he''s not!!)

We can also revert back to the diamond formation with WLY playing behind Martin and Elliott/Johnson.

Don''t shoot me down straight away, i genuinely think it will work.

Thoughts?

[morty 0]

Hmmmmmmmmm.Disturbingly I actually see where you are coming from here. I watched Mcveigh in the reserves and he can still cut it at this level.This idea has mileage, in theory anyway.

[bjg123 0]

The reason he hasn''t played all season is because he isn''t good enough, just like he wasn''t good enough last season in league 2. McVeigh is so far away from Hoolahan in terms of ability that it would be idiotic to stick with the diamond with him playing just for the sake of sticking to the same formation. Hughes would be a much better choice in the hole anyway, as would Johnson. We should be going 442 and not playing slow, past it turd.

[macdougalls perm 0]

I agree fully with you on this. He''s the only other player that we have with the kind of sharp off-kilter thinking which can cut defences and put strikers through.

I''ll wait for you to be shot down for suggesting it tho [;)]

[Graham Humphrey 13]

[quote user="bjg123"]The reason he hasn''t played all season is because he isn''t good enough, just like he wasn''t good enough last season in league 2[/quote]As has been pointed out before the reason he didn''t play much for Luton was because of payments that would be triggered if he played a certain number of games due to a clause in his contract.Anyway...  I do see where Dogger is coming from and if we had McVeigh of 2003 vintage I would wholeheartedly agree.  But when he''s played in the first team this season he doesn''t look fit or quick enough to cope.  It''s a shame because he used to be a key player for us back in the Worthy era and I don''t think you just lose your ability.

[Graham Humphrey 13]

Oh and by the way isn''t Hoolahan meant to have a fitness test?  So he could play anyway (fingers crossed).

[singing canary 0]

agreed ,i like the player .

he has not been given the chance and a fresh pair of legs this stage of the season may give us an edge . mcveigh could cut it at this level .

people doubted nelson and said he was too slow , he still has done a good job though.

[First Wizard 0]

Good Gawd no![:S]

[Trent Canary 0]

Good idea, and if hes been cutting it in training then im all for it. Not sure how hes been playing/training though.

[Snakepit Lass 0]

yes i agree he created that lovely goal wasn''t it leeds? i think he should if wes can''t lol or maybe a sub

[Jacko 0]

We have established that the diamond formation allows you to have one ''luxury'' player. By that I mean a person with no defensive responsiblity who has a licence to wander around the pitch and try to make things happen. For me that man would be Johnson because he is like Hoolahan in that he is a bit of a maverick and has great ability. His directness when he came on against MK Dons really unsettled them. I think he and Hoolahan are the two players in the squad that we have who can go really take men on and go past them.

Here is my mad idea. Obviously Johnson is a centre forward but I would''nt mind seeing McNamee and Johnson out wide. McNamee playing on the left can then take the full back on more on the outside and cross with his favoured foot. Meanwhile Johnson can beat his man as well and can get to the byline which would make him dangerous. Lappin playing as a winger reminds me a lot of Neil Adams. He has got a good delivery on him but he doesnt really have the ability to past his man meaning he can never really reach the byline so the cross wont be as dangerous. Probably a bit mental as we need to be compact away from home. But what do people think.

[Norwich R Us 59]

What about Oli at the tip of the diamond?He''s a technically a good dribbler and passer and can weigh in with goals as well... I''d go for that before WLY!

[AndyCanary 0]

Definately not as daft''a suggestion as it may seem.. too risky though? yes, for me anyways.

[Snakepit Lass 0]

Jonathan Tehoue for orient is out tonite 2 match ban he is there striker so maybe even without holt

[Jacko 0]

Does that mean Scowcroft will come in. I could just see that bloody binner shafting us.

[Cestrian Canary 0]

He has the experience which could be just what we need if any end of season jitters start to set in.The OP makes a valid point as McVeigh can steady the ship if needs be. We saw this after Lambert came in back in August, against Wycombe WLY was talking all the time and giving a bit of organisation to a team that had been a shambles against Colchester and Brentford in the preceeding games. McVeigh has played his part this season, it may have been a small supporting role, but he has done his bit.

[Barclaybred 0]

[quote user="Good Touch For A Big Man"]

We have established that the diamond formation allows you to have one ''luxury'' player. By that I mean a person with no defensive responsiblity who has a licence to wander around the pitch and try to make things happen. For me that man would be Johnson because he is like Hoolahan in that he is a bit of a maverick and has great ability. His directness when he came on against MK Dons really unsettled them. I think he and Hoolahan are the two players in the squad that we have who can go really take men on and go past them.

Here is my mad idea. Obviously Johnson is a centre forward but I would''nt mind seeing McNamee and Johnson out wide. McNamee playing on the left can then take the full back on more on the outside and cross with his favoured foot. Meanwhile Johnson can beat his man as well and can get to the byline which would make him dangerous. Lappin playing as a winger reminds me a lot of Neil Adams. He has got a good delivery on him but he doesnt really have the ability to past his man meaning he can never really reach the byline so the cross wont be as dangerous. Probably a bit mental as we need to be compact away from home. But what do people think.

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Would also drag oppo players out of position trying to contain them,plus if the ball can be fed quickly from left to right  and vice versa,we will have to superb ball players with speed to stretch them! Loving it!

[BroadstairsR 0]

Oh no! Please not McVeigh, he has been so limited in his impact so far this season.

Is ths a a question of "absence makes the heart grow fonder." Hark back to his last outing and then re-assess.

He should never have been brought back here in the first place. Old boy''s act on the part of Gunn IMHO. I for one, can think of no footballig reasons for his return.

Was very good at times. Not now.

Who would he replace? Seephen Hughes? Antony McNamee? Surely not.

[DOGGER 0]

Seems like 50/50 on McVeigh starting then, i didn''t really need to borrow Wiz''s tin hat after all!![;)]

Johnson would be the other alternative, maybe behind Martin & Elliot in a 4-3-1-2

He has the pace and trickery but i don''t believe he has the technical brain like WLY ( i may be wrong)

I think though Lambert will stick to a 4-4-2 and play McNamee and Lappin on the flanks, hopefully we will win whatever the formation.[H]

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="BroadstairsR"]

Oh no! Please not McVeigh, he has been so limited in his impact so far this season.

Is ths a a question of "absence makes the heart grow fonder." Hark back to his last outing and then re-assess.

He should never have been brought back here in the first place. Old boy''s act on the part of Gunn IMHO. I for one, can think of no footballig reasons for his return.

Was very good at times. Not now.

Who would he replace? Seephen Hughes? Antony McNamee? Surely not.

[/quote]Nail on head.[Y]

[Canary Man of Kent 0]

Is everyone sure that Wes won''t play then? I thought he had a chance of making this one.

[morty 0]

[quote user="First Wizard"][quote user="BroadstairsR"]

Oh no! Please not McVeigh, he has been so limited in his impact so far this season.

Is ths a a question of "absence makes the heart grow fonder." Hark back to his last outing and then re-assess.

He should never have been brought back here in the first place. Old boy''s act on the part of Gunn IMHO. I for one, can think of no footballig reasons for his return.

Was very good at times. Not now.

Who would he replace? Seephen Hughes? Antony McNamee? Surely not.

[/quote]Nail on head.[Y][/quote]But he is here and taking Norwich City pay every month. He has featured on the bench this season so he isn''t possibly the complete passenger you are assuming he is.Like I said I have seen him play in the reserves and I think, if required, he could still do a job at this level.

[ZLF 334]

WLY would be perfect in the hole - was always his best position, least distance for him to move with max impact from his passing ability - I think he would link midfield and attack well 

For me the options for tonight are

• Start 442 - most likely - will give Anthony another chance to show sat was not a one off
• Start 433 - C Martin in the diamond,  holt and Johnson up front;   I think this is probably my prefered solution,  Elliott, Macca and WLY on the bench as alternatives.
• Start 433 with anthony in the diamond will give Anthony another chance to show sat was not a one off
• Start 433 - Martin and HOlt up front,  WLY in teh hole - probably my second preference
• Start 433 - OJ in the hole - possible - but not sure he would work hard enough for this to work

 

[Syteanric 1]

[quote user="morty"]

I watched Mcveigh in the reserves and he can still cut it at this level.


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if he could cut it at this level he wouldnt be in the reserves...

 

[morty 0]

[quote user="jas the barclay king"]

[quote user="morty"]I watched Mcveigh in the reserves and he can still cut it at this level.

[/quote]

if he could cut it at this level he wouldnt be in the reserves...

 

[/quote]Whilst I see your point I shall counter with "If he couldn''t cut it on the pitch in some role he wouldn''t ever have been named on the bench"

[monkfish 0]

I hope Hoolahan''s fit, but if we''re playing the diamond, it needs someone with a footballing brain and technical ability to play that role behind the strikers.  Lots of people thought Hoolahan didn''t play well against Tranmere.  For me, in terms of his technique, ability to find space and instinctive one touch passing, he really stood out from everyone else on the pitch by some distance.  Mcveigh is the only one in my opinion who can touch him in these respects at Norwich, although Stephen Hughes certainly has something.  It won''t happen though.. Just hope whatever we do, we win.  Sure we will.

[Jacko 0]

[quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"]

WLY would be perfect in the hole - was always his best position, least distance for him to move with max impact from his passing ability - I think he would link midfield and attack well 

For me the options for tonight are

• Start 442 - most likely - will give Anthony another chance to show sat was not a one off

• Start 433 - C Martin in the diamond,  holt and Johnson up front;   I think this is probably my prefered solution,  Elliott, Macca and WLY on the bench as alternatives.

• Start 433 with anthony in the diamond will give Anthony another chance to show sat was not a one off

• Start 433 - Martin and HOlt up front,  WLY in teh hole - probably my second preference

• Start 433 - OJ in the hole - possible - but not sure he would work hard enough for this to work

 

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Holty is banned dont forget Zipper. So that reduces our options somewhat.

[San Miguel 0]

Oli Johnson is the best bet to add some creativity to the team

[ZLF 334]

[quote user="Good Touch For A Big Man"][quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"]

WLY would be perfect in the hole - was always his best position, least distance for him to move with max impact from his passing ability - I think he would link midfield and attack well 

For me the options for tonight are

• Start 442 - most likely - will give Anthony another chance to show sat was not a one off

• Start 433 - C Martin in the diamond,  holt and Johnson up front;   I think this is probably my prefered solution,  Elliott, Macca and WLY on the bench as alternatives.

• Start 433 with anthony in the diamond will give Anthony another chance to show sat was not a one off

• Start 433 - Martin and HOlt up front,  WLY in teh hole - probably my second preference

• Start 433 - OJ in the hole - possible - but not sure he would work hard enough for this to work

 

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Holty is banned dont forget Zipper. So that reduces our options somewhat.

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Doh - forgot that;  being dozy in Glasgow addled my brain.

442 stil preferred,  elliott and martin starting,

then 433,  Elliott and Martin with McNamee behind

[The gut 0]

Holt is definitely out and maybe Hoolahan. Two players. Surely we have better cover than McVeigh, no matter what formation we play, in McNamee, Elliott, Johnson or Hughes (possibly others too). McVeigh could hope for the bench at best, he has had his chance and didn''t take it.