Re: The Music Continued to Play While the Ship Was Sinking

[Evil Monkey 52]

What a pile of pish... set yourself up as some kind of investment Godfather all you like, recommend us to as many potential investors as you like... but why come onto an internet message board and start stirring the dirty laundry and acting like a time-wasting troll? Unprofessional, to say the least, although hardly surprising from the man who put Tranmere Rovers up on eBay.Frankly it seems that McNally has the measure of the man, and I trust him to make the right call...

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[|-)][quote user="morty"][quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="BlyBlyBabes"]

[quote user="morty"]Lol, as said before no wonder Mcnally wasn''t interested, seriously what an ignorant investment banker.

Yes, and that last bit was rhyming slang.
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Caught you on his hook though, didn''t he?

Wriggle, wriggle.

Now you can stop bleating and go off out like you planned.

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In much the same way as Mr Cullum caught you on his.

Difference is that Morty had a nibble and spat it out while you''re still chomping on the bait like a good ''un months after the event. As Tangy would say.....

MEGA WRIGGLE!

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Couldn''t have put it better myself lol.


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And the band played on.....and on.....and on........[|-)]

Zzzzzzzzz....

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[quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="BlyBlyBabes"]

[quote user="morty"]Lol, as said before no wonder Mcnally wasn''t interested, seriously what an ignorant investment banker.

Yes, and that last bit was rhyming slang.
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Caught you on his hook though, didn''t he?

Wriggle, wriggle.

Now you can stop bleating and go off out like you planned.

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In much the same way as Mr Cullum caught you on his.

Difference is that Morty had a nibble and spat it out while you''re still chomping on the bait like a good ''un months after the event. As Tangy would say.....

MEGA WRIGGLE! Nah. Tangy doesn''t shout

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Cullum and Joebaby? Chalk and cheese. You wait, time will tell.

Morty wriggles .......and then you wiggle?[:$] Hmmm....

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[morty 0]

Silly old man.[:)]

[YankeeCanary 0]

[quote user="PurpleCanary"]--- --- I have no axe to grind here for or against Joe Kosich (apart from taking his side and that of the EDP over that imbecilic attack by McNally) but I think some posters are missing the point here. Kosich is not himself a potential investor (one of McNally''s many mistakes in that interview). He is an agent or middleman who tries to attract investment for clubs. As such, in his blog last month, he analysed Norwich City as a potential investment and gave the club what is essentially a glowing report. In analysts’ jargon he issued a “buy” recommendation. On the back of that he received initial expressions of interest from some possible investors. On McNally’s say-so he passed the names on to Deloitte’s for further investigation. Now it really doesn’t matter if Kosich is a time-waster. What matters is whether the possible investors are time-wasters. And even if they are, then presumably Deloitte’s will work that out very quickly. That is what we are paying them to do. There will be no harm done. But supposing, by luck or judgment, Kosich has unearthed another Randy Lerner. I’m struggling to see how that would be a bad thing. Indeed, I’m struggling to see how anything he has done so far is a bad thing, apart from getting in a slanging match with posters.[/quote]

PC, you did not refer to me ( or anyone ) specifically but you did say some posters are missing the point. There was no point missed on my part in terms of the type of role Dornoch Capital might represent with anyone, which is distinctly different from that of a direct investor. My point, however, is that NCFC should be represented in that endeavour by organisations with well established credentials. Norwich already has that in place and such an organisation as we are utilising does not need to take a back seat to a small two man venture operating out of a small office in a golf resort area in North Carolina, particularly given that their background raises more questions than answers.

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[quote user="YankeeCanary"]

[quote user="PurpleCanary"]--- --- I have no axe to grind here for or against Joe Kosich (apart from taking his side and that of the EDP over that imbecilic attack by McNally) but I think some posters are missing the point here. Kosich is not himself a potential investor (one of McNally''s many mistakes in that interview). He is an agent or middleman who tries to attract investment for clubs. As such, in his blog last month, he analysed Norwich City as a potential investment and gave the club what is essentially a glowing report. In analysts’ jargon he issued a “buy” recommendation. On the back of that he received initial expressions of interest from some possible investors. On McNally’s say-so he passed the names on to Deloitte’s for further investigation. Now it really doesn’t matter if Kosich is a time-waster. What matters is whether the possible investors are time-wasters. And even if they are, then presumably Deloitte’s will work that out very quickly. That is what we are paying them to do. There will be no harm done. But supposing, by luck or judgment, Kosich has unearthed another Randy Lerner. I’m struggling to see how that would be a bad thing. Indeed, I’m struggling to see how anything he has done so far is a bad thing, apart from getting in a slanging match with posters.[/quote]

PC, you did not refer to me ( or anyone ) specifically but you did say some posters are missing the point. There was no point missed on my part in terms of the type of role Dornoch Capital might represent with anyone, which is distinctly different from that of a direct investor. My point, however, is that NCFC should be represented in that endeavour by organisations with well established credentials. Norwich already has that in place and such an organisation as we are utilising does not need to take a back seat to a small two man venture operating out of a small office in a golf resort area in North Carolina, particularly given that their background raises more questions than answers.

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And particularly since Delia said in her reaction to the Deloitte report "Watch this space".

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[PurpleCanary 5,557]

[quote user="YankeeCanary"]

[quote user="PurpleCanary"]--- --- I have no axe to grind here for or against Joe Kosich (apart from taking his side and that of the EDP over that imbecilic attack by McNally) but I think some posters are missing the point here. Kosich is not himself a potential investor (one of McNally''s many mistakes in that interview). He is an agent or middleman who tries to attract investment for clubs. As such, in his blog last month, he analysed Norwich City as a potential investment and gave the club what is essentially a glowing report. In analysts’ jargon he issued a “buy” recommendation. On the back of that he received initial expressions of interest from some possible investors. On McNally’s say-so he passed the names on to Deloitte’s for further investigation. Now it really doesn’t matter if Kosich is a time-waster. What matters is whether the possible investors are time-wasters. And even if they are, then presumably Deloitte’s will work that out very quickly. That is what we are paying them to do. There will be no harm done. But supposing, by luck or judgment, Kosich has unearthed another Randy Lerner. I’m struggling to see how that would be a bad thing. Indeed, I’m struggling to see how anything he has done so far is a bad thing, apart from getting in a slanging match with posters.[/quote]

PC, you did not refer to me ( or anyone ) specifically but you did say some posters are missing the point. There was no point missed on my part in terms of the type of role Dornoch Capital might represent with anyone, which is distinctly different from that of a direct investor. My point, however, is that NCFC should be represented in that endeavour by organisations with well established credentials. Norwich already has that in place and such an organisation as we are utilising does not need to take a back seat to a small two man venture operating out of a small office in a golf resort area in North Carolina, particularly given that their background raises more questions than answers.

[/quote]Yankee, I wasn''t referring to you, but now you are missing the point! At least you are when you say NCFC should be represented by credible organisations. It is. By Deloittes. Kosich in no sense is representing NCFC.He is, as I said, trying to act as a middleman. And for all I know he may be a complete time-waster. But what is undeniable true is that he used his blog to promote the club, and that encomium, unless he is lying through his teeth about this, including to the EDP, provoked some interest from potential investors. He may be a complete idiot (and those investors might well think he''s a complete idiot and bypass him completely) but that doesn''t make the investors complete idiots. For all we know Bill Gates could have read that blog.If Deloittes have got loads of names that''s fine, but where is the harm in some more? The irony here is that posters on this site used to complain that the club never did enough to attract investment. Now suddenly we trust the club entirely on this and badmouth (in tune with the club''s CEO)someone who has boosted the club''s image in the world''s biggest economy.

[newyorkcanary 14]

I guess I have a real problem with Mr. Kosich''s presence on this board.  What is he trying to achieve?  Is he so upset at McNally for what in particular?  That he was rebuffed in his attempt to meet and instead was directed to Deloitte for their due diligence first?  My understanding of his post was that he thinks McNally is refusing his offers of investment so he must "take it to the people," so we as fans can give him his say.  The original post on this thread was just offensive, and I do not want someone who resorts to such tactics involved whatsoever with my team.  I am American, born here and have been supporting Norwich City for 22 years since my first game there in 1988.  This guy, much like the Glazers or Hicks & Co, does not represent Americans and unless he has a formal bidder willing to present their bid to the board and shareholders, I think he should go away.  There are plenty of teams in Administration he could get for a fraction of what Norwich is worth.  Those might be more in his league.

[Klobo7 0]

I wouldn''t object to him if came across as having even 1 inch of professionalism. This is someone who thinks searching for an investor involves putting a football club on an online auction site. This is someone who comes onto an internet message board and starts gobbing off at the fans and officials of the club he claims he is trying to help. If he wants to help us and is serious about having potential investors I think McNally should listen to him. But maybe he should think about growing up first, because right now he sounds like a spoilt child who has been told by the big school bully Mcnally that he cant come play in the NCFC playground....

[Depraved 0]

You''ve missed the point. This man was turned away from McNally, so instead he comes on a fan''s forum to try and harbour support. We (like McNally) can see where this is heading, and thats nowhere, so lets stop giving this man the time of day he really doesn''t deserve.

This is the same as football agents, but on a much larger scale. Look how much they help clubs......

[jew 0]

Hi Neil, one question, how big''s your penis.

Cheers, Neil.

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I agree totally that the guy has shown a complete lack of professionalism. The whole Tranmere EBay stunt smacks of a sixth form student prank.

Seems a shame to me the guys at Archant gave him such a positive write up, but then as we know with the Cullum situation they are liable to change their editorial stance at any given moment!!!!

[City penguin 0]

no wonder he was reffered to deloites he came wadeing in with the Big I Am and not much to back it up. It was sensible to refer him to accounting specialists as they would check wether he or his investors where good options for the club. Perhaps if Notts Co did the same they wouldnt of nearly gone to the wall?

 

A key part of Michael Bailey''s article on the US investment was the loyalty of our fans making us attractive ie A strong asset.  As previous posters have stated the american way is to leverage the debt against to the max as Glazers and Hicks and Gillete have done. I could see these guys doing eactly the same with us and making the LOYAL fans repay the debt with huge price increases etc. While this may work for Teams such as Liverpool and Manchester Utd because they are global brands and there will always a saviour for them due to their success and history. I wouldnt be confident at all if the banks came collecting and the Yanks left us in the Sthi that we would have our saviours.

I for one im glad Mcnally has taken appropriete action to safeguard potential investing disasters such as Munto finnance and Glazers. You not taking my club for free!

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[quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="YankeeCanary"]

[quote user="PurpleCanary"]--- --- I have no axe to grind here for or against Joe Kosich (apart from taking his side and that of the EDP over that imbecilic attack by McNally) but I think some posters are missing the point here. Kosich is not himself a potential investor (one of McNally''s many mistakes in that interview). He is an agent or middleman who tries to attract investment for clubs. As such, in his blog last month, he analysed Norwich City as a potential investment and gave the club what is essentially a glowing report. In analysts’ jargon he issued a “buy” recommendation. On the back of that he received initial expressions of interest from some possible investors. On McNally’s say-so he passed the names on to Deloitte’s for further investigation. Now it really doesn’t matter if Kosich is a time-waster. What matters is whether the possible investors are time-wasters. And even if they are, then presumably Deloitte’s will work that out very quickly. That is what we are paying them to do. There will be no harm done. But supposing, by luck or judgment, Kosich has unearthed another Randy Lerner. I’m struggling to see how that would be a bad thing. Indeed, I’m struggling to see how anything he has done so far is a bad thing, apart from getting in a slanging match with posters.[/quote]

PC, you did not refer to me ( or anyone ) specifically but you did say some posters are missing the point. There was no point missed on my part in terms of the type of role Dornoch Capital might represent with anyone, which is distinctly different from that of a direct investor. My point, however, is that NCFC should be represented in that endeavour by organisations with well established credentials. Norwich already has that in place and such an organisation as we are utilising does not need to take a back seat to a small two man venture operating out of a small office in a golf resort area in North Carolina, particularly given that their background raises more questions than answers.

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Yankee, I wasn''t referring to you, but now you are missing the point! At least you are when you say NCFC should be represented by credible organisations. It is. By Deloittes. Kosich in no sense is representing NCFC.

He is, as I said, trying to act as a middleman. And for all I know he may be a complete time-waster. But what is undeniable true is that he used his blog to promote the club, and that encomium, unless he is lying through his teeth about this, including to the EDP, provoked some interest from potential investors. He may be a complete idiot (and those investors might well think he''s a complete idiot and bypass him completely) but that doesn''t make the investors complete idiots. For all we know Bill Gates could have read that blog.

If Deloittes have got loads of names that''s fine, but where is the harm in some more? The irony here is that posters on this site used to complain that the club never did enough to attract investment. Now suddenly we trust the club entirely on this and badmouth (in tune with the club''s CEO)someone who has boosted the club''s image in the world''s biggest economy.
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Purple, I did not miss the point you were making. There is no harm in more rather than less potential investors names being on a list but that is for Deloittes to manage directly and/or with middlemen if they so deem it appropriate. Without being more obvious than I have already been, my opinion is that it is best for Norwich supporters and this forum not to provide any words of support to anyone utilising this forum to ( potentially ) drum up support because, given their past differences with Tranmere, why add fuel to the fire. Deloitte is handling it. 

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Two Parties......Both Yanks

 

But poor Mr. McNally ain''t talking to moi.  Has a wild hair up his keester!

 

Don''t know why

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[quote user="Yellow Rose of Texas"]Oh great - investment banking by bulletin board. Nothing against you Joe - I don''t know you from Adam - but this hardly seems the right forum for these discussions?[/quote]

 

Only way as good ''ol Mac ain''t talkin.

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[quote user="National express super guard "]I, like all of us here in some form (tickets, merch etc) are investors in Norwich City, so I can say McNally is the right man to steer the club through doomcasters mess, and I don''t want any yanks who have a shorter attention span than a 2 year old coming anywhere near our club.
no offence "mate"
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PFT

Great, I can either buy stock or the debt.  This is going to be fun.  Just like the ancient Greeks!!

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[quote user="YankeeCanary"]

I don''t know what "legit" means in today''s world anymore. I also don''t know much about Dornoch Capital Advisors other than, at some point, it was listed as a two person operation managed by Joe Kosich and Russell Black. I think they operate this business out of a small office on a commercial plaza in Pinehurst, North Carolina. I believe Russell Black was the principal figure in the transportation business in the UK known as the Nightfreight Group, a company that experienced a lot of problems with debt. Another significant principal in that business was a man called Peter Johnson. I wonder if that''s the same Peter Johnson of Tranmere Rovers who expressed some concerns about the manner in which Dornoch Capital went about putting the Rovers up for sale on E-Bay? Joe Kosich, of course, worked for a good while with Wachovia, which also encountered all kinds of difficulty with debt before being acquired by others. I suppose the expertise that they potentially bring to football clubs is a knowledge of debt. 

I think Norwich City FC are safer staying the course with the people they are currently involved with, both in ownership terms and the manner of seeking investment.    

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Gee, you know so much, what''s my sister''s middle name and birthdate. 

Jeez you folks are fools!!

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[quote user="Klobo7"][quote user="Anglofile"]

It''s wonderful the the Canaries are having a wonderful season and being promoted to the CCC. KUDOS to the supporters  I look forward to following them.

While that''s all very exciting, how is the club''s banker feeling with well over twenty million quid outstanding??  Oh, and by the way, how''s that investment push by Mr. McNally and Deloitte?  I haven''t seen any money from Lotus et al.

Just remember, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it...but at a cost.

 

Realy you should be asking if I really do care??

 

Do I??

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[/quote] Serious question....What exactly are your reasons for posting on here? I presume its not just to pass the time during a busy day at the office. You say we need to cut costs - We know. We could really do with investment - we know. After offering Tranmere for sale on Ebay, and the way you have come across in some of your posts, why should we take you seriously?[/quote]

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[quote user="Anglofile"]

Jeez you folks are fools!!

[/quote]I guess we''ll be seeing you around, then?

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[quote user="morty"][quote user="PurpleCanary"]--- --- I have no axe to grind here for or against Joe Kosich (apart from taking his side and that of the EDP over that imbecilic attack by McNally) but I think some posters are missing the point here. Kosich is not himself a potential investor (one of McNally''s many mistakes in that interview). He is an agent or middleman who tries to attract investment for clubs. As such, in his blog last month, he analysed Norwich City as a potential investment and gave the club what is essentially a glowing report. In analysts’ jargon he issued a “buy” recommendation. On the back of that he received initial expressions of interest from some possible investors. On McNally’s say-so he passed the names on to Deloitte’s for further investigation. Now it really doesn’t matter if Kosich is a time-waster. What matters is whether the possible investors are time-wasters. And even if they are, then presumably Deloitte’s will work that out very quickly. That is what we are paying them to do. There will be no harm done. But supposing, by luck or judgment, Kosich has unearthed another Randy Lerner. I’m struggling to see how that would be a bad thing. Indeed, I’m struggling to see how anything he has done so far is a bad thing, apart from getting in a slanging match with posters.[/quote]

And your last line is the important fact here. How could anyone be taken seriously after engaging in petty slanging matches on an internet message board? Its like First Wizard saying he has investors lined up ffs.
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Morty = Cretinous Boob FACT

[Graham Humphrey 13]

I''m sorry but this is all a bit too surreal.  This is some guy on a wind-up.  It must be.  You''ll be telling me he puts football clubs for sale on Ebay next...Weirdo.

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[quote user="Depraved"]Joseph, by bringing your "dirty laundry" on here just goes to show what a dirty underhanded conniving little scumbag you really are. As you can see already by the few people that have posted here that we are not at all interested in the male bovine excrement that spews from your mouth.

So please with the grace of whatever you believe in P1SS OFF!
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Ah Maturity!!! I like that.  I guess I should''ve known...the same mental giants out of East Anglia University gave us global warming too.  I guess you all drink the same water because its clearly clouded you intellect!!

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[quote user="Halllaow Neil"]

Hi Neil, one question, how big''s your penis.

Cheers, Neil.

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Gee, that was a great one you FENUCH!!!!

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[quote user="Anglofile"]

[quote user="morty"][quote user="PurpleCanary"]--- --- I have no axe to grind here for or against Joe Kosich (apart from taking his side and that of the EDP over that imbecilic attack by McNally) but I think some posters are missing the point here. Kosich is not himself a potential investor (one of McNally''s many mistakes in that interview). He is an agent or middleman who tries to attract investment for clubs. As such, in his blog last month, he analysed Norwich City as a potential investment and gave the club what is essentially a glowing report. In analysts’ jargon he issued a “buy” recommendation. On the back of that he received initial expressions of interest from some possible investors. On McNally’s say-so he passed the names on to Deloitte’s for further investigation. Now it really doesn’t matter if Kosich is a time-waster. What matters is whether the possible investors are time-wasters. And even if they are, then presumably Deloitte’s will work that out very quickly. That is what we are paying them to do. There will be no harm done. But supposing, by luck or judgment, Kosich has unearthed another Randy Lerner. I’m struggling to see how that would be a bad thing. Indeed, I’m struggling to see how anything he has done so far is a bad thing, apart from getting in a slanging match with posters.[/quote]And your last line is the important fact here. How could anyone be taken seriously after engaging in petty slanging matches on an internet message board? Its like First Wizard saying he has investors lined up ffs.[/quote]

 

Morty = Cretinous Boob FACT

[/quote]You, Sir are a cock.And I want you nowhere my football club.I shall bid you good day.

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[quote user="Graham Humphrey"]I''m sorry but this is all a bit too surreal.  This is some guy on a wind-up.  It must be.  You''ll be telling me he puts football clubs for sale on Ebay next...

Weirdo.
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You know what''s surreal is a television cook and a guy with a really bad haircut and temper running a club that''s awash in 23 million quid of debt.  Next call your bank so I can purchase the notes and wipe out the shareholders when I foreclose..... PRICELESS!!!!!!

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[quote user="morty"]I shall bid you good day.[/quote]SOLD!How would you like your Soccer club delivered?  FedEx?

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[quote user="morty"][quote user="Anglofile"]

[quote user="morty"][quote user="PurpleCanary"]--- --- I have no axe to grind here for or against Joe Kosich (apart from taking his side and that of the EDP over that imbecilic attack by McNally) but I think some posters are missing the point here. Kosich is not himself a potential investor (one of McNally''s many mistakes in that interview). He is an agent or middleman who tries to attract investment for clubs. As such, in his blog last month, he analysed Norwich City as a potential investment and gave the club what is essentially a glowing report. In analysts’ jargon he issued a “buy” recommendation. On the back of that he received initial expressions of interest from some possible investors. On McNally’s say-so he passed the names on to Deloitte’s for further investigation. Now it really doesn’t matter if Kosich is a time-waster. What matters is whether the possible investors are time-wasters. And even if they are, then presumably Deloitte’s will work that out very quickly. That is what we are paying them to do. There will be no harm done. But supposing, by luck or judgment, Kosich has unearthed another Randy Lerner. I’m struggling to see how that would be a bad thing. Indeed, I’m struggling to see how anything he has done so far is a bad thing, apart from getting in a slanging match with posters.[/quote]

And your last line is the important fact here. How could anyone be taken seriously after engaging in petty slanging matches on an internet message board? Its like First Wizard saying he has investors lined up ffs.
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Morty = Cretinous Boob FACT

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You, Sir are a cock.

And I want you nowhere my football club.

I shall bid you good day.
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My football club.  Should I be talking to you as you''re a contolling shareholder.  I love winding you up.  It''s so easy!!!!!

 

Joe

[Graham Humphrey 13]

[quote user="Anglofile"]You know what''s surreal is a television cook and a guy with a really bad haircut and temper running a club that''s awash in 23 million quid of debt.  Next call your bank so I can purchase the notes and wipe out the shareholders when I foreclose..... PRICELESS!!!!!![/quote]Oh just f**k off you American tw*t.  I wouldn''t wish you on that lot down the road.  Tosser.

[morty 0]

I''m actually starting to think "full bore looney" now to be honest.*does finger twirly action round temple*