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[Mike 2]

Hamilton - Once was told by an ex player that he was the worst manager he''d ever played for.... After one of his last games in charge at Pompey (we lost 2-0) he told all the players to look in the mirror and say "I played well today, I did my best" before showering!!!! Clown & a fan of the dark side!

Grant - Confused players & did little to make them comfortable & confident, but at least walked away with dignity.

Gunn - Only Norwich would have appointed a marketing & hospitality manager as team manager and only Gunn would have been stupid enough to accept it. Interested in golf rather than training.

Roeder - 8m wage bill, in the top 10% in the league, not one decent premenant signing, ran up a huge deficit and got us relegated. I hate him with a passion.

Lambert - The only decent manager we''ve had since Worthy''s first three years

 

 

[Murphy and the Bricks 0]

To be honest we have had some really crap managers since Martin O''Neil, with maybe the exception of Worthy (although I never was his greatest fan). When you look down the list & see names like Hamilton, Rioch, Megson, Deehan you can see just how good an appoinment Lambert is. Before someone shouts yes I know its League One, but for the first time since O''Neil I don''t look at a team sheet & think WTF, he''s not afraid to change things if it isn''t working & has made some good signings.

Grant, Roeder & Gunn, were just a long line of no hopers & to fair I don''t really blame any of them that much. For me the blame lies at the feet of the board, Donkeycaster was a total c**t & was bleeding the club drier than any of these managers. Had we stayed up last season he would very much still be here collecting his healthy pay packet & we would be fighting relegation again in the Championship.

When we appointed Grant the interviewing panel consited of, Donkeycaster, Munby, Stringer, Delia & Andrew Cullen & the only one of those judgement I would half trust is Stringer. The rest know about as much about football mangement as my dog. I would guess that the panel wasn''t a lot different for Roeder & Gunn.

We are at last a fighting force in football once again & I think the turning point has been Mcnally!!!!

[Canary Man of Kent 0]

Rioch did ok. Certainly doesn''t deserve to be in same bracket as hamilton, grant roeder and gunn

[Murphy and the Bricks 0]

[quote user="SimonOTBC"]

Rioch did ok. Certainly doesn''t deserve to be in same bracket as hamilton, grant roeder and gunn

[/quote]

Name	Nationality	From	To	M	W	D	L	Win %	Honours	Notes
Bowman, JohnJohn Bowman	England	01905-08-01 1 August 1905	01907-07-31 31 July 1907	78	31	23	24	39.7	–	–
McEwen, JamesJames McEwen	Scotland	01907-08-01 1 August 1907	01908-05-31 31 May 1908	43	13	10	20	30.2	–	–
Turner, ArthurArthur Turner	England	01909-08-01 1 August 1909	01910-05-31 31 May 1910	86	27	22	37	31.4	–	–
Stansfield, BertBert Stansfield	England	01910-08-01 1 August 1910	01915-05-31 31 May 1915	248	78	75	95	31.5	–	–
Buckley, FrankFrank Buckley	England	01919-08-01 1 August 1919	01920-07-01 1 July 1920	43	15	11	17	34.9	–	–
O''Hagan, CharlesCharles O''Hagan	England	01920-07-01 1 July 1920	01921-01-01 1 January 1921	21	4	9	8	19.0	–	–
Gosnell, AlbertAlbert Gosnell	England	01921-01-01 1 January 1921	01926-02-28 28 February 1926	223	59	79	95	26.5	–	–
Stansfield, BertBert Stansfield	England	01926-03-01 1 March 1926	01926-11-01 1 November 1926	tbc	tbc	tbc	tbc	tbc	–	[10]
Potter, CecilCecil Potter	England	01926-11-01 1 November 1926	01929-01-01 1 January 1929	101	30	26	45	29.7	–	–
Kerr, JamesJames Kerr	England	01929-04-01 1 April 1929	01933-02-28 28 February 1933	168	65	43	60	38.7	–	–
Parker, TomTom Parker	England	01933-03-01 1 March 1933 1 May 1955	01937-02-01 1 February 1937 31 March 1957	271	104	69	98	38.4	Third tier Champions 1933–34	–
Young, BobBob Young	England	1 February 1937 1 September 1939	31 December 1938 31 May 1946	78	26	14	38	33.3	–	–
Jewell, JimmyJimmy Jewell	England	1 January 1939	1 September 1939	20	6	4	10	30.0	–	–
Lochhead, DuggieDuggie Lochhead	Scotland	1 December 1945	1 March 1950	104	42	28	34	40.4	–	–
Spiers, CyrilCyril Spiers	England	1 June 1946	1 December 1947	65	15	12	38	23.1	–	–
Low, NormanNorman Low	England	1 May 1950	30 April 1955	258	129	56	73	50.0	–	–
Macaulay, ArchieArchie Macaulay	Scotland	1 April 1957	1 October 1961	224	105	60	59	46.9	Third tier Runners-up 1959–60	–
Reid, WillieWillie Reid	Scotland	1 December 1961	1 May 1962	31	13	6	12	41.9	League Cup champions 1961–62[citation needed]	–
Swindin, GeorgeGeorge Swindin	England	1 May 1962	30 November 1962	20	10	5	5	50.0	–	–
Ashman, RonRon Ashman	England	1 December 1962	31 May 1966	162	59	39	64	36.4	–	–
Morgan, LolLol Morgan	England	1 June 1966	1 May 1969	127	45	47	35	35.4	–	–
Saunders, RonRon Saunders	England	1 July 1969	16 November 1973	221	84	61	76	38.0	Second tier Champions 1971–72 League Cup Runners up 1972–73	–
Bond, JohnJohn Bond	England	27 November 1973	31 October 1980	340	105	114	121	34.5	League Cup Runners up 1974–75	–
Brown, KenKen Brown	England	1 November 1980	9 November 1987	367	150	93	124	40.9	League Cup champions 1984–85[citation needed] Second tier Champions 1985–86[citation needed]	–
Stringer, DaveDave Stringer	England	9 November 1987	1 May 1992	229	89	58	82	38.9	–	–
Walker, MikeMike Walker	Wales	1 June 1992 21 June 1996	6 January 1994 30 April 1998	179	69	46	64	38.5	–	–
Deehan, JohnJohn Deehan	England	01994-01-12 12 January 1994	01995-07-31 31 July 1995	58	13	22	23	22.4	–	–
Megson, GaryGary Megson[iii]	England			tbc	tbc	tbc	tbc	tbc	–	–
O''Neill, MartinMartin O''Neill[ii]	Northern Ireland	August, 1995	December, 1995	26	12	9	5	46.2	–	–
Megson, GaryGary Megson	England	01995-12-01 1 December 1995[11]	01996-06-21 21 June 1996	32	5	10	17	15.6	–	–
Rioch, BruceBruce Rioch	Scotland	01998-06-12 12 June 1998	02000-03-13 13 March 2000	93	30	31	32	32.3	–	–
Hamilton, BryanBryan Hamilton	Northern Ireland	02000-04-05 5 April 2000	02000-12-04 4 December 2000	35	10	10	15	28.6	–	–
Worthington, NigelNigel Worthington	Northern Ireland	02000-12-04 4 December 2000	02006-10-02 2 October 2006	280	114	104	62	40.7	Second tier Champions 2003–04	–
Hunter, MartinMartin Hunter[iii]	England	02006-10-02 2 October 2006	02006-10-14 14 October 2006	1	0	1	0	00.0	–	–
Grant, PeterPeter Grant	Scotland	02006-10-13 13 October 2006	02007-10-09 9 October 2007	47	17	11	19	36.2	–	–
Duffy, JimJim Duffy[iii]	Scotland	02007-10-09 9 October 2007	02007-10-30 30 October 2007	3	0	0	3	00.0	–	–
Roeder, GlennGlenn Roeder	England	02007-10-30 30 October 2007	02009-02-14 14 February 2009	60	20	14	26	33.3	–	[12]

 

Stats don''t lie....Rioch was worse than Roeder!!!!!!!

[Canary Man of Kent 0]

Surely the appropriate metric is points per game rather than win ratio, therefore I think Rioch comes out on top.

[Murphy and the Bricks 0]

[quote user="SimonOTBC"]Surely the appropriate metric is points per game rather than win ratio, therefore I think Rioch comes out on top.[/quote]

Maybe but I would still put him in the same class as all our other inept managers we have had!

[BigFish 1,986]

Worthy''s record''s not bad. Grant better than Roeder.........looks about right to me!

[Yellow Rider 0]

[quote user="Mike Grant"]

Hamilton - Once was told by an ex player that he was the worst manager he''d ever played for.... After one of his last games in charge at Pompey (we lost 2-0) he told all the players to look in the mirror and say "I played well today, I did my best" before showering!!!! Clown & a fan of the dark side!

Grant - Confused players & did little to make them comfortable & confident, but at least walked away with dignity.

Gunn - Only Norwich would have appointed a marketing & hospitality manager as team manager and only Gunn would have been stupid enough to accept it. Interested in golf rather than training.

Roeder - 8m wage bill, in the top 10% in the league, not one decent premenant signing, ran up a huge deficit and got us relegated. I hate him with a passion.

Lambert - The only decent manager we''ve had since Worthy''s first three years

 

 

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Er - wrong and how!

A certain Wes Hoolahan was signed by Roeder I believe!

He also did NOT get us relegated (although he may well have ended up doing so I agree!). Gunn was in charge from mid January.

[Canary Man of Kent 0]

[quote user="Spud1973"]

[quote user="SimonOTBC"]Surely the appropriate metric is points per game rather than win ratio, therefore I think Rioch comes out on top.[/quote]

Maybe but I would still put him in the same class as all our other inept managers we have had!

[/quote]

I dunno, we would''ve made the playoffs under him I think but for Mr Muscat.

[Europe_93 11]

Big Bad John wrote:

Next season he brought in players who i really rated, and the fact they didn''t work out is more to do with luck, lack of effort on their part, or cruelty on Roeders part. Clingan, Bell, Bertrand, Lita, Hoolahan, Kennedy, Sibierski, Stefanovic, Omozusi, Lupoli. All players i rate, almost all of them rated by the sane football fan at the time, but they were (for the most part) just awful on the pitch unfortunately. However, given that, he can never be held accountable for falling into the relegation zone. Gunn most certainly finished that job though, with the likes of Killen, Carney, and Leijer.

I think most peoples views of Roeder are severely distorted because of what a p**** he was to be honest. We did get some real s*** in the past few years, and albeit Roeder was amongst the worst, he was by no means THE worst.

The thing with Roeder is he had the experience, he was able to bring in players, he just couldn''t get them to play for him.  He was always looking to blame.  Blame strikers for missing a chance, midfileders for not being able to do this and that, defenders for giving away soft goals, nothing was ever down to him it was always everyone elses fault.  In my opinion he destroyed our team, others have their share of responsibility but in my opinion he was responsible more than anyone for our relegation.

Never have I disliked anyone associated with the club as much as him.  Whoever employs him next will need to be truly desperate, if he does re-emerge I hope he gives serious reflection on his time in charge at Norwich and comes back with a completely different attitude.  I doubt even today he acknowledges his mistakes.

[Mike 2]

[quote user="Yellow Rider"][quote user="Mike Grant"] Hamilton - Once was told by an ex player that he was the worst manager he''d ever played for.... After one of his last games in charge at Pompey (we lost 2-0) he told all the players to look in the mirror and say "I played well today, I did my best" before showering!!!! Clown & a fan of the dark side! Grant - Confused players & did little to make them comfortable & confident, but at least walked away with dignity. Gunn - Only Norwich would have appointed a marketing & hospitality manager as team manager and only Gunn would have been stupid enough to accept it. Interested in golf rather than training. Roeder - 8m wage bill, in the top 10% in the league, not one decent premenant signing, ran up a huge deficit and got us relegated. I hate him with a passion. Lambert - The only decent manager we''ve had since Worthy''s first three years

[/quote] Er - wrong and how! A certain Wes Hoolahan was signed by Roeder I believe! He also did NOT get us relegated (although he may well have ended up doing so I agree!). Gunn was in charge from mid January. [/quote]

Yes you are right he signed Hoolahan so apologises (and how! LOL!) but given that is it, amongst the money wasted on Bell, Bertrand, Lita, Kennedy, Sibierski, Stefanovic, Omozusi, Lupoli etc etc all who have left you get what I was getting at. He''s a grade A c*ck and in my opinion he did relegate this club by leaving us in such a mess. Look at the West Ham side he got relegated!!! If they gave him Messi from Barca he''d probably play him in defence & tell him he''s too small.

[Canary Man of Kent 0]

[quote user="Mike Grant"][quote user="Yellow Rider"][quote user="Mike Grant"] Hamilton - Once was told by an ex player that he was the worst manager he''d ever played for.... After one of his last games in charge at Pompey (we lost 2-0) he told all the players to look in the mirror and say "I played well today, I did my best" before showering!!!! Clown & a fan of the dark side! Grant - Confused players & did little to make them comfortable & confident, but at least walked away with dignity. Gunn - Only Norwich would have appointed a marketing & hospitality manager as team manager and only Gunn would have been stupid enough to accept it. Interested in golf rather than training. Roeder - 8m wage bill, in the top 10% in the league, not one decent premenant signing, ran up a huge deficit and got us relegated. I hate him with a passion. Lambert - The only decent manager we''ve had since Worthy''s first three years

[/quote] Er - wrong and how! A certain Wes Hoolahan was signed by Roeder I believe! He also did NOT get us relegated (although he may well have ended up doing so I agree!). Gunn was in charge from mid January. [/quote]

Yes you are right he signed Hoolahan so apologises (and how! LOL!) but given that is it, amongst the money wasted on Bell, Bertrand, Lita, Kennedy, Sibierski, Stefanovic, Omozusi, Lupoli etc etc all who have left you get what I was getting at. He''s a grade A c*ck and in my opinion he did relegate this club by leaving us in such a mess. Look at the West Ham side he got relegated!!! If they gave him Messi from Barca he''d probably play him in defence & tell him he''s too small.

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Bell was a good player. Man management was the issue with him, no doubting his ability.

[Mike 2]

Remember Roeder allowed our best player to go to Cov for a nominal fee because he did not tie him up to a new contract in the summer before..... the guys a genius!

[birchfest 397]

For all those ''Roeder signed Hoolahan'' people, thats true. But what is also true is that he then played him out of position and so effectively counted as a poor signing, he was utter pants for the first half of last season drifted all over the place and gave the ball away.... its only now that lambert is playing him in the hole that he is playing well, and so I refuse to accept that he was an inspired signing by Roeder.

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="Big Bad John"]In my view Grant did more damage than Roeder, and so did Gunn. Gunn relegated us, won something like 1 in the last 8 of that season, and followed it up with a 7-1 home defeat in the division below, while Grant diassembled a football club merely lacking a spark of enegy to challenge for promotion into one of the favourite relegation candidates, while Roeder saved us from relegation under about as desperate circumstances as one can be... Admittedly only to put us back in contention of course though (however, unlike Grant, not as one of the favourites for the drop, having never dropped us into the relegation zone himself). And as bad as Roeder was, he did bring in a long list of useful players, albeit ''mostly'' on loan, unlike Grant, that could just about boast 2 players, however much we may have overpayed for them (David Marshall and Darel Russell).However, there is no hiding from the fact that Roeder, financially speaking, severely f***ed us over, like his predecessor Grant. And his spiteful and bitter media personality did more than anything else in disassociating him from Norwich.... And the rest of the world really.[/quote]I think that summarises my view pretty nicely.Of the three stooges named above, Roeder was clearly the best manager in terms of football brain, organisational ability etc.  However he was fundamentally unlikeable, arrogant and pig-headed and seemed to think running a football club meant you didn''t need any interpersonal skills.Peter Grant was a nice guy but hopeless, and ditto Bryan Gunn.  If we could have somehow merged Roeder''s football brain with Gunn''s "mister nice guy" outgoing disposition we''d have had something half-decent, but still not as good as Lambert.

[Yellow Rider 0]

[quote user="birchfest"]For all those ''Roeder signed Hoolahan'' people, thats true. But what is also true is that he then played him out of position and so effectively counted as a poor signing, he was utter pants for the first half of last season drifted all over the place and gave the ball away.... its only now that lambert is playing him in the hole that he is playing well, and so I refuse to accept that he was an inspired signing by Roeder.


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Agree with you, but fact remains is that Roeder DID sign him. Had that not happened then we would not have been privileged to see this seasons wonderful performances from Wes in Canary yellow. Main problem as I pointed out very early on with Roeder (when he publicly slagged off Neil Adams) was his poor man management. At the time I was savaged by a number of posters who pointed at ....''the great job Glen was doing'' etc. His knowledge of the game and eye for a player was not in doubt but as we all know most of the skills required in any managerial role (and football is no different) is being able to organise and motivate your employees and lead from the front.

[singing canary 0]

like this bloke knows ..cant stand the man .

one bloke can cause so much damage to a football club ,and still think he knows about football .

burnley,newcastle ,west ham , norwich ..... the bloke is a failure with a capital F.

[HazzaJet 252]

Out of Grant, Roeder and Gunn, I personally rate Grant 1st, Gunn 2nd, and Roeder 3rd. Although it was Gunn who got us relegated, I feel that we hardly did much better under Roeder and considering that Roeder had managing experience when Grant and Gunn had none, I really did expect Roeder to achieve far better than he actually did.

[one 4 the future 0]

And yes he really has decide to climb out off the sewer the roedent is on soccer am tomorrow[:S]

[Queen B 0]

Makes me glad I don''t have Sky! [:|]

[singing canary 0]

best post written on here for a long time . 100% agree with you good touch .

very well written and very true

[Arthur Whittle 0]

"West Ham are too good to go down & will be ok cause they won`t need 42 points which took them down when he was there"

Sums Roeder up. They were in the crap, Roeder fell ill and missed the last 6 games, Trevor Brooking came in for and won 4 and drew 2, total of 14 points gained by Brooking over 6 games, 28 gained by Roeder in 32............I guess he forgot to mention that part....

[Karl Pilkington 0]

The Rodent is also on Soccer AM this morning