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http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/04032010/58/footballer-jailed-horror-tackle.html

It might make one or two think before doing anything. 

I have seen quite a bit of premeditated stuff on a football field over the years.  Not as much over the last few years, I think the fact that the majority of matches have cameras (many camera angles) and even lower non-league matches might have the odd amateur photographer, has put a stop to a lot of it.

The ruling certainly sets a precedent.

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Unlike the array of trained solicitors and accountants who seem to appear on this forum, I will straight away admit I know nothing about law. But surely for a bloke to end in jail, the challenge has to have been so disgusting that it was obviously pre meditated.

I think this is a one off though. Football can often be fast paced so poorly timed challenges are almost inevitable and it would be impossible to prove intention in most cases. I know it sounds weird but with Martin Taylor and Ryan Shawcross I believe both challenges would normally have only warranted a yellow card. They were both honest but poor attempts to win the ball agaisnt faster more skilful opponents. But obviously in situations where opponent is seriously hurt like that the referee really has absolutely no option but to send the player off.

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[quote user="Iwan Roberts Dentist"]

Unlike the array of trained solicitors and accountants who seem to appear on this forum, I will straight away admit I know nothing about law. But surely for a bloke to end in jail, the challenge has to have been so disgusting that it was obviously pre meditated.

I think this is a one off though. Football can often be fast paced so poorly timed challenges are almost inevitable and it would be impossible to prove intention in most cases. I know it sounds weird but with Martin Taylor and Ryan Shawcross I believe both challenges would normally have only warranted a yellow card. They were both honest but poor attempts to win the ball agaisnt faster more skilful opponents. But obviously in situations where opponent is seriously hurt like that the referee really has absolutely no option but to send the player off.

[/quote]

From what I''ve gathered, this was unbelievably late to the point of being off the ball + it wasn''t a tackle so much as a smash across the back of his legs. It has been flagged by the FA as exceptional circumstances.

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[quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Iwan Roberts Dentist"]

Unlike the array of trained solicitors and accountants who seem to appear on this forum, I will straight away admit I know nothing about law. But surely for a bloke to end in jail, the challenge has to have been so disgusting that it was obviously pre meditated.

I think this is a one off though. Football can often be fast paced so poorly timed challenges are almost inevitable and it would be impossible to prove intention in most cases. I know it sounds weird but with Martin Taylor and Ryan Shawcross I believe both challenges would normally have only warranted a yellow card. They were both honest but poor attempts to win the ball agaisnt faster more skilful opponents. But obviously in situations where opponent is seriously hurt like that the referee really has absolutely no option but to send the player off.

[/quote]

From what I''ve gathered, this was unbelievably late to the point of being off the ball + it wasn''t a tackle so much as a smash across the back of his legs. It has been flagged by the FA as exceptional circumstances.

[/quote]

That is the equivalent of an assault then.

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[quote user="Pablo Picarsole"][quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Iwan Roberts Dentist"]

Unlike the array of trained solicitors and accountants who seem to appear on this forum, I will straight away admit I know nothing about law. But surely for a bloke to end in jail, the challenge has to have been so disgusting that it was obviously pre meditated.

I think this is a one off though. Football can often be fast paced so poorly timed challenges are almost inevitable and it would be impossible to prove intention in most cases. I know it sounds weird but with Martin Taylor and Ryan Shawcross I believe both challenges would normally have only warranted a yellow card. They were both honest but poor attempts to win the ball agaisnt faster more skilful opponents. But obviously in situations where opponent is seriously hurt like that the referee really has absolutely no option but to send the player off.

[/quote]

From what I''ve gathered, this was unbelievably late to the point of being off the ball + it wasn''t a tackle so much as a smash across the back of his legs. It has been flagged by the FA as exceptional circumstances.

[/quote]

That is the equivalent of an assault then.

[/quote]

And hence why he''s been done for GBH

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Robbie Savage was ''wiped out'' in a similar fashion the other week. The man was sent off, but if it had ended in Savage so badly injured he could''nt play again I doubt very much that the man would have gone to jail for it. 

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[quote user="swindoncanary"]Robbie Savage was ''wiped out'' in a similar fashion the other week. The man was sent off, but if it had ended in Savage so badly injured he could''nt play again I doubt very much that the man would have gone to jail for it. [/quote]No, I expect people would have organised a whip-round to send the culprit off on an all expenses paid holiday for '' services to football ''..........( lol )

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What about Roy Keane who wrote in his autobiography about injuring Alf-Inge Haland:

"I''d waited long enough. I f**king hit him hard. The ball was there (I think). Take that you c**t. And don''t ever stand over me sneering about fake injuries...My attitude was, f**k him. What goes around comes around. He got his just rewards. He fucked me over and my attitude is an eye for an eye."

That was clearly intended.

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What about Roy Keane who wrote in his autobiography about injuring Alf-Inge Haland:

"I''d waited long enough. I f**king hit him hard. The ball was there (I think). Take that you c**t. And don''t ever stand over me sneering about fake injuries...My attitude was, f**k him. What goes around comes around. He got his just rewards. He fucked me over and my attitude is an eye for an eye."

That was clearly intended.

[/quote]Ahh! But you forget. He played for Man United. That means Mr. Ferguson would have whinged until he was let off.

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does anybody know what the other two footballers that were sent to jail for an on the pitch offences were sent to jail for?

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[quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Pablo Picarsole"][quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Iwan Roberts Dentist"]

Unlike the array of trained solicitors and accountants who seem to appear on this forum, I will straight away admit I know nothing about law. But surely for a bloke to end in jail, the challenge has to have been so disgusting that it was obviously pre meditated.

I think this is a one off though. Football can often be fast paced so poorly timed challenges are almost inevitable and it would be impossible to prove intention in most cases. I know it sounds weird but with Martin Taylor and Ryan Shawcross I believe both challenges would normally have only warranted a yellow card. They were both honest but poor attempts to win the ball agaisnt faster more skilful opponents. But obviously in situations where opponent is seriously hurt like that the referee really has absolutely no option but to send the player off.

[/quote]

From what I''ve gathered, this was unbelievably late to the point of being off the ball + it wasn''t a tackle so much as a smash across the back of his legs. It has been flagged by the FA as exceptional circumstances.

[/quote]

That is the equivalent of an assault then.

[/quote]

And hence why he''s been done for GBH

[/quote]It''s probably been flagged as exceptional circumstances so that this point of law is not used as a precedent in cases with similar facts, in the higher leagues.It''s a very controversial area of law, and as i''ve studied recently it has to be deemed as out of the realms of the game itself.

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[quote user="hogesar"][quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Pablo Picarsole"][quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Iwan Roberts Dentist"]

Unlike the array of trained solicitors and accountants who seem to appear on this forum, I will straight away admit I know nothing about law. But surely for a bloke to end in jail, the challenge has to have been so disgusting that it was obviously pre meditated.

I think this is a one off though. Football can often be fast paced so poorly timed challenges are almost inevitable and it would be impossible to prove intention in most cases. I know it sounds weird but with Martin Taylor and Ryan Shawcross I believe both challenges would normally have only warranted a yellow card. They were both honest but poor attempts to win the ball agaisnt faster more skilful opponents. But obviously in situations where opponent is seriously hurt like that the referee really has absolutely no option but to send the player off.

[/quote]

From what I''ve gathered, this was unbelievably late to the point of being off the ball + it wasn''t a tackle so much as a smash across the back of his legs. It has been flagged by the FA as exceptional circumstances.

[/quote]

That is the equivalent of an assault then.

[/quote]

And hence why he''s been done for GBH

[/quote]

It''s probably been flagged as exceptional circumstances so that this point of law is not used as a precedent in cases with similar facts, in the higher leagues.
It''s a very controversial area of law, and as i''ve studied recently it has to be deemed as out of the realms of the game itself.
[/quote]

Agreed, that''s the distinction I was trying to make above.

Why shouldn''t an off the ball incident in a game of football not be considered a criminal offence? It''s off the ball and therefore not a part of the game itself.

I assume another reason for the FA to flag it as exceptional circumstances is that so Joe Public doesn''t need to be worried about playing on a Saturday, mistiming a tackle and being done for assault.

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[quote user="hogesar"][quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Pablo Picarsole"][quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Iwan Roberts Dentist"]

Unlike the array of trained solicitors and accountants who seem to appear on this forum, I will straight away admit I know nothing about law. But surely for a bloke to end in jail, the challenge has to have been so disgusting that it was obviously pre meditated.

I think this is a one off though. Football can often be fast paced so poorly timed challenges are almost inevitable and it would be impossible to prove intention in most cases. I know it sounds weird but with Martin Taylor and Ryan Shawcross I believe both challenges would normally have only warranted a yellow card. They were both honest but poor attempts to win the ball agaisnt faster more skilful opponents. But obviously in situations where opponent is seriously hurt like that the referee really has absolutely no option but to send the player off.

[/quote]

From what I''ve gathered, this was unbelievably late to the point of being off the ball + it wasn''t a tackle so much as a smash across the back of his legs. It has been flagged by the FA as exceptional circumstances.

[/quote]

That is the equivalent of an assault then.

[/quote]

And hence why he''s been done for GBH

[/quote]

It''s probably been flagged as exceptional circumstances so that this point of law is not used as a precedent in cases with similar facts, in the higher leagues.
It''s a very controversial area of law, and as i''ve studied recently it has to be deemed as out of the realms of the game itself.
[/quote]

Agreed, that''s the distinction I was trying to make above.

Why shouldn''t an off the ball incident in a game of football not be considered a criminal offence? It''s off the ball and therefore not a part of the game itself.

I assume another reason for the FA to flag it as exceptional circumstances is that so Joe Public doesn''t need to be worried about playing on a Saturday, mistiming a tackle and being done for assault.

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[quote user="hogesar"][quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Pablo Picarsole"][quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Iwan Roberts Dentist"]

Unlike the array of trained solicitors and accountants who seem to appear on this forum, I will straight away admit I know nothing about law. But surely for a bloke to end in jail, the challenge has to have been so disgusting that it was obviously pre meditated.

I think this is a one off though. Football can often be fast paced so poorly timed challenges are almost inevitable and it would be impossible to prove intention in most cases. I know it sounds weird but with Martin Taylor and Ryan Shawcross I believe both challenges would normally have only warranted a yellow card. They were both honest but poor attempts to win the ball agaisnt faster more skilful opponents. But obviously in situations where opponent is seriously hurt like that the referee really has absolutely no option but to send the player off.

[/quote]

From what I''ve gathered, this was unbelievably late to the point of being off the ball + it wasn''t a tackle so much as a smash across the back of his legs. It has been flagged by the FA as exceptional circumstances.

[/quote]

That is the equivalent of an assault then.

[/quote]

And hence why he''s been done for GBH

[/quote]

It''s probably been flagged as exceptional circumstances so that this point of law is not used as a precedent in cases with similar facts, in the higher leagues.
It''s a very controversial area of law, and as i''ve studied recently it has to be deemed as out of the realms of the game itself.
[/quote]

Agreed, that''s the distinction I was trying to make above.

Why shouldn''t an off the ball incident in a game of football not be considered a criminal offence? It''s off the ball and therefore not a part of the game itself.

I assume another reason for the FA to flag it as exceptional circumstances is that so Joe Public doesn''t need to be worried about playing on a Saturday, mistiming a tackle and being done for assault.

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[quote user="hogesar"][quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Pablo Picarsole"][quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Iwan Roberts Dentist"]

Unlike the array of trained solicitors and accountants who seem to appear on this forum, I will straight away admit I know nothing about law. But surely for a bloke to end in jail, the challenge has to have been so disgusting that it was obviously pre meditated.

I think this is a one off though. Football can often be fast paced so poorly timed challenges are almost inevitable and it would be impossible to prove intention in most cases. I know it sounds weird but with Martin Taylor and Ryan Shawcross I believe both challenges would normally have only warranted a yellow card. They were both honest but poor attempts to win the ball agaisnt faster more skilful opponents. But obviously in situations where opponent is seriously hurt like that the referee really has absolutely no option but to send the player off.

[/quote]

From what I''ve gathered, this was unbelievably late to the point of being off the ball + it wasn''t a tackle so much as a smash across the back of his legs. It has been flagged by the FA as exceptional circumstances.

[/quote]

That is the equivalent of an assault then.

[/quote]

And hence why he''s been done for GBH

[/quote]

It''s probably been flagged as exceptional circumstances so that this point of law is not used as a precedent in cases with similar facts, in the higher leagues.
It''s a very controversial area of law, and as i''ve studied recently it has to be deemed as out of the realms of the game itself.
[/quote]

Agreed, that''s the distinction I was trying to make above.

Why shouldn''t an off the ball incident in a game of football not be considered a criminal offence? It''s off the ball and therefore not a part of the game itself.

I assume another reason for the FA to flag it as exceptional circumstances is that so Joe Public doesn''t need to be worried about playing on a Saturday, mistiming a tackle and being done for assault.

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[quote user="hogesar"][quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Pablo Picarsole"][quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Iwan Roberts Dentist"]

Unlike the array of trained solicitors and accountants who seem to appear on this forum, I will straight away admit I know nothing about law. But surely for a bloke to end in jail, the challenge has to have been so disgusting that it was obviously pre meditated.

I think this is a one off though. Football can often be fast paced so poorly timed challenges are almost inevitable and it would be impossible to prove intention in most cases. I know it sounds weird but with Martin Taylor and Ryan Shawcross I believe both challenges would normally have only warranted a yellow card. They were both honest but poor attempts to win the ball agaisnt faster more skilful opponents. But obviously in situations where opponent is seriously hurt like that the referee really has absolutely no option but to send the player off.

[/quote]

From what I''ve gathered, this was unbelievably late to the point of being off the ball + it wasn''t a tackle so much as a smash across the back of his legs. It has been flagged by the FA as exceptional circumstances.

[/quote]

That is the equivalent of an assault then.

[/quote]

And hence why he''s been done for GBH

[/quote]

It''s probably been flagged as exceptional circumstances so that this point of law is not used as a precedent in cases with similar facts, in the higher leagues.
It''s a very controversial area of law, and as i''ve studied recently it has to be deemed as out of the realms of the game itself.
[/quote]

Agreed, that''s the distinction I was trying to make above.

Why shouldn''t an off the ball incident in a game of football not be considered a criminal offence? It''s off the ball and therefore not a part of the game itself.

I assume another reason for the FA to flag it as exceptional circumstances is that so Joe Public doesn''t need to be worried about playing on a Saturday, mistiming a tackle and being done for assault.

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[quote user="hogesar"][quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Pablo Picarsole"][quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Iwan Roberts Dentist"]

Unlike the array of trained solicitors and accountants who seem to appear on this forum, I will straight away admit I know nothing about law. But surely for a bloke to end in jail, the challenge has to have been so disgusting that it was obviously pre meditated.

I think this is a one off though. Football can often be fast paced so poorly timed challenges are almost inevitable and it would be impossible to prove intention in most cases. I know it sounds weird but with Martin Taylor and Ryan Shawcross I believe both challenges would normally have only warranted a yellow card. They were both honest but poor attempts to win the ball agaisnt faster more skilful opponents. But obviously in situations where opponent is seriously hurt like that the referee really has absolutely no option but to send the player off.

[/quote]

From what I''ve gathered, this was unbelievably late to the point of being off the ball + it wasn''t a tackle so much as a smash across the back of his legs. It has been flagged by the FA as exceptional circumstances.

[/quote]

That is the equivalent of an assault then.

[/quote]

And hence why he''s been done for GBH

[/quote]

It''s probably been flagged as exceptional circumstances so that this point of law is not used as a precedent in cases with similar facts, in the higher leagues.
It''s a very controversial area of law, and as i''ve studied recently it has to be deemed as out of the realms of the game itself.
[/quote]

Agreed, that''s the distinction I was trying to make above.

Why shouldn''t an off the ball incident in a game of football not be considered a criminal offence? It''s off the ball and therefore not a part of the game itself.

I assume another reason for the FA to flag it as exceptional circumstances is that so Joe Public doesn''t need to be worried about playing on a Saturday, mistiming a tackle and being done for assault.

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[quote user="hogesar"][quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Pablo Picarsole"][quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Iwan Roberts Dentist"]

Unlike the array of trained solicitors and accountants who seem to appear on this forum, I will straight away admit I know nothing about law. But surely for a bloke to end in jail, the challenge has to have been so disgusting that it was obviously pre meditated.

I think this is a one off though. Football can often be fast paced so poorly timed challenges are almost inevitable and it would be impossible to prove intention in most cases. I know it sounds weird but with Martin Taylor and Ryan Shawcross I believe both challenges would normally have only warranted a yellow card. They were both honest but poor attempts to win the ball agaisnt faster more skilful opponents. But obviously in situations where opponent is seriously hurt like that the referee really has absolutely no option but to send the player off.

[/quote]

From what I''ve gathered, this was unbelievably late to the point of being off the ball + it wasn''t a tackle so much as a smash across the back of his legs. It has been flagged by the FA as exceptional circumstances.

[/quote]

That is the equivalent of an assault then.

[/quote]

And hence why he''s been done for GBH

[/quote]

It''s probably been flagged as exceptional circumstances so that this point of law is not used as a precedent in cases with similar facts, in the higher leagues.
It''s a very controversial area of law, and as i''ve studied recently it has to be deemed as out of the realms of the game itself.
[/quote]

Agreed, that''s the distinction I was trying to make above.

Why shouldn''t an off the ball incident in a game of football not be considered a criminal offence? It''s off the ball and therefore not a part of the game itself.

I assume another reason for the FA to flag it as exceptional circumstances is that so Joe Public doesn''t need to be worried about playing on a Saturday, mistiming a tackle and being done for assault.

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[quote user="hogesar"][quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Pablo Picarsole"][quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Iwan Roberts Dentist"]

Unlike the array of trained solicitors and accountants who seem to appear on this forum, I will straight away admit I know nothing about law. But surely for a bloke to end in jail, the challenge has to have been so disgusting that it was obviously pre meditated.

I think this is a one off though. Football can often be fast paced so poorly timed challenges are almost inevitable and it would be impossible to prove intention in most cases. I know it sounds weird but with Martin Taylor and Ryan Shawcross I believe both challenges would normally have only warranted a yellow card. They were both honest but poor attempts to win the ball agaisnt faster more skilful opponents. But obviously in situations where opponent is seriously hurt like that the referee really has absolutely no option but to send the player off.

[/quote]

From what I''ve gathered, this was unbelievably late to the point of being off the ball + it wasn''t a tackle so much as a smash across the back of his legs. It has been flagged by the FA as exceptional circumstances.

[/quote]

That is the equivalent of an assault then.

[/quote]

And hence why he''s been done for GBH

[/quote]

It''s probably been flagged as exceptional circumstances so that this point of law is not used as a precedent in cases with similar facts, in the higher leagues.
It''s a very controversial area of law, and as i''ve studied recently it has to be deemed as out of the realms of the game itself.
[/quote]

Agreed, that''s the distinction I was trying to make above.

Why shouldn''t an off the ball incident in a game of football not be considered a criminal offence? It''s off the ball and therefore not a part of the game itself.

I assume another reason for the FA to flag it as exceptional circumstances is that so Joe Public doesn''t need to be worried about playing on a Saturday, mistiming a tackle and being done for assault.

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[quote user="hogesar"][quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Pablo Picarsole"][quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Iwan Roberts Dentist"]

Unlike the array of trained solicitors and accountants who seem to appear on this forum, I will straight away admit I know nothing about law. But surely for a bloke to end in jail, the challenge has to have been so disgusting that it was obviously pre meditated.

I think this is a one off though. Football can often be fast paced so poorly timed challenges are almost inevitable and it would be impossible to prove intention in most cases. I know it sounds weird but with Martin Taylor and Ryan Shawcross I believe both challenges would normally have only warranted a yellow card. They were both honest but poor attempts to win the ball agaisnt faster more skilful opponents. But obviously in situations where opponent is seriously hurt like that the referee really has absolutely no option but to send the player off.

[/quote]

From what I''ve gathered, this was unbelievably late to the point of being off the ball + it wasn''t a tackle so much as a smash across the back of his legs. It has been flagged by the FA as exceptional circumstances.

[/quote]

That is the equivalent of an assault then.

[/quote]

And hence why he''s been done for GBH

[/quote]

It''s probably been flagged as exceptional circumstances so that this point of law is not used as a precedent in cases with similar facts, in the higher leagues.
It''s a very controversial area of law, and as i''ve studied recently it has to be deemed as out of the realms of the game itself.
[/quote]

Agreed, that''s the distinction I was trying to make above.

Why shouldn''t an off the ball incident in a game of football not be considered a criminal offence? It''s off the ball and therefore not a part of the game itself.

I assume another reason for the FA to flag it as exceptional circumstances is that so Joe Public doesn''t need to be worried about playing on a Saturday, mistiming a tackle and being done for assault.

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[quote user="hogesar"][quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Pablo Picarsole"][quote user="SimonOTBC"][quote user="Iwan Roberts Dentist"]

Unlike the array of trained solicitors and accountants who seem to appear on this forum, I will straight away admit I know nothing about law. But surely for a bloke to end in jail, the challenge has to have been so disgusting that it was obviously pre meditated.

I think this is a one off though. Football can often be fast paced so poorly timed challenges are almost inevitable and it would be impossible to prove intention in most cases. I know it sounds weird but with Martin Taylor and Ryan Shawcross I believe both challenges would normally have only warranted a yellow card. They were both honest but poor attempts to win the ball agaisnt faster more skilful opponents. But obviously in situations where opponent is seriously hurt like that the referee really has absolutely no option but to send the player off.

[/quote]

From what I''ve gathered, this was unbelievably late to the point of being off the ball + it wasn''t a tackle so much as a smash across the back of his legs. It has been flagged by the FA as exceptional circumstances.

[/quote]

That is the equivalent of an assault then.

[/quote]

And hence why he''s been done for GBH

[/quote]

It''s probably been flagged as exceptional circumstances so that this point of law is not used as a precedent in cases with similar facts, in the higher leagues.
It''s a very controversial area of law, and as i''ve studied recently it has to be deemed as out of the realms of the game itself.
[/quote]

Agreed, that''s the distinction I was trying to make above.

Why shouldn''t an off the ball incident in a game of football not be considered a criminal offence? It''s off the ball and therefore not a part of the game itself.

I assume another reason for the FA to flag it as exceptional circumstances is that so Joe Public doesn''t need to be worried about playing on a Saturday, mistiming a tackle and being done for assault.

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[quote user="mastoola"]does anybody know what the other two footballers that were sent to jail for an on the pitch offences were sent to jail for?[/quote]One of them was Duncan Ferguson for a headbutt - 3 monthshttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/soccer-player-jailed-for-foul-play-1577101.html

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[quote user="judderman"][quote user="mastoola"]does anybody know what the other two footballers that were sent to jail for an on the pitch offences were sent to jail for?[/quote]
One of them was Duncan Ferguson for a headbutt - 3 months
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/soccer-player-jailed-for-foul-play-1577101.html
[/quote]

I forgot about big Dunc.

Footballer''s hall of shame -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/1235382.stm

I had to laugh at -

"Peter Storey (28 days in 1990 for attempting to import pornography). "

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[quote user="judderman"][quote user="mastoola"]does anybody know what the other two footballers that were sent to jail for an on the pitch offences were sent to jail for?[/quote]
One of them was Duncan Ferguson for a headbutt - 3 months
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/soccer-player-jailed-for-foul-play-1577101.html
[/quote]

The other was James Cotterill -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-428139/Footballer-jailed-pitch-punch-smashes-jaw.html

 

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This isn''t the first time this has happened at amature level. I played in a cup game where one of my team punched one of the opposition and broke his jaw. He then went on to do about six months. Yes it wasn''t a tackle but from what I hear, you couldn''t exactly call this latest incident a tackle either. Where''s the line? When does it no longer become football related but just assault?

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