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Having watched a gala of sport over the weekend, flicking channels between rugby and football, I was taken by how much respect the rugby players give the ref as opposed to how little respect football players give the ref. In Rugby Union what the ref says goes, whereas in football the norm appears to be to get right into the refs face and query every decision. I wonder if the introduction of a "sin bin" would sort this problem out, back chat to the officials and you spend 10 minutes in the sin bin, do it twice and you get sent off. The only down side I can see is that Rusty and Horse would spend more time in the bin than on the pitch!!....

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[quote user="Sons of Boadicea"]Having watched a gala of sport over the weekend, flicking channels between rugby and football, I was taken by how much respect the rugby players give the ref as opposed to how little respect football players give the ref. In Rugby Union what the ref says goes, whereas in football the norm appears to be to get right into the refs face and query every decision. I wonder if the introduction of a "sin bin" would sort this problem out, back chat to the officials and you spend 10 minutes in the sin bin, do it twice and you get sent off. The only down side I can see is that Rusty and Horse would spend more time in the bin than on the pitch!!....[/quote]

 

There`s loads of things that egg chasers are doing that footy could benefit from, sin bin, video ref, speaking to the captain instead of the whole team at once, but anyway the thing I realy wanted to comment on was the news that the Welsh number 6 Andy Powell was arrested last night after the Wales Scotland game for driving a golf buggy up the M4, tut tut! 

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[quote user="Sons of Boadicea"]Having watched a gala of sport over the weekend, flicking channels between rugby and football, I was taken by how much respect the rugby players give the ref as opposed to how little respect football players give the ref. In Rugby Union what the ref says goes, whereas in football the norm appears to be to get right into the refs face and query every decision. I wonder if the introduction of a "sin bin" would sort this problem out, back chat to the officials and you spend 10 minutes in the sin bin, do it twice and you get sent off. The only down side I can see is that Rusty and Horse would spend more time in the bin than on the pitch!!....[/quote]

 

There`s loads of things that egg chasers are doing that footy could benefit from, sin bin, video ref, speaking to the captain instead of the whole team at once, but anyway the thing I realy wanted to comment on was the news that the Welsh number 6 Andy Powell was arrested last night after the Wales Scotland game for driving a golf buggy up the M4, tut tut! 

[/quote]I think the Sin Bin idea would not work for football. People moan enough about ref decisions what happens when one team is down to maybe 9 men due to Sin Bins ?I think it might take some of the passion away. If a player insults the ref, the ref should card him end of story. No need to send him to a sin bin.Video Ref... yuck... take the human element away. Sure we have been stung by a non foul peno or a hand ball goal... but its swings and roundabouts in that we also are sometimes on the recieving end of a poor call that gives us an advantage.Sorry guys ! :(

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[quote user="Nexus_Canary"][quote user="thefutureisyellow"]

[quote user="Sons of Boadicea"]Having watched a gala of sport over the weekend, flicking channels between rugby and football, I was taken by how much respect the rugby players give the ref as opposed to how little respect football players give the ref. In Rugby Union what the ref says goes, whereas in football the norm appears to be to get right into the refs face and query every decision. I wonder if the introduction of a "sin bin" would sort this problem out, back chat to the officials and you spend 10 minutes in the sin bin, do it twice and you get sent off. The only down side I can see is that Rusty and Horse would spend more time in the bin than on the pitch!!....[/quote]

 

There`s loads of things that egg chasers are doing that footy could benefit from, sin bin, video ref, speaking to the captain instead of the whole team at once, but anyway the thing I realy wanted to comment on was the news that the Welsh number 6 Andy Powell was arrested last night after the Wales Scotland game for driving a golf buggy up the M4, tut tut! 

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I think the Sin Bin idea would not work for football. People moan enough about ref decisions what happens when one team is down to maybe 9 men due to Sin Bins ?
I think it might take some of the passion away. If a player insults the ref, the ref should card him end of story. No need to send him to a sin bin.
Video Ref... yuck... take the human element away. Sure we have been stung by a non foul peno or a hand ball goal... but its swings and roundabouts in that we also are sometimes on the recieving end of a poor call that gives us an advantage.

Sorry guys ! :(
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Sin bins are only used after repeated offendeing by a team or indevidual, there are warnings first.

Video replay adds something to a game when the crowd can  watch the same footage on a big screen that the adjudicator can see, it`s good in rugby, I agree may not work in footy. A bad decision does lift the crowd and can create just as much atmosphere as a goal.

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Nexus - If a team has 2 players in the "bin" their team will suffer the consequences there and then, which may result in players thinking twice about their behaviour. The yellow card in football is no real deterent in that even if a player collects a few and is suspended, the team will still have 11 players on the pitch. With a "sin bin" (or "naughty step") the punishment is potentially instantaneous and is meted out in the game that the offence takes place.

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How about extending the idea to naughty fans? Instead of getting thrown out you are made to stand on your chair. In my day this was usually accompanied by a couple of slaps on the backs of the legs....and I wore shorts!

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[quote user="RUDOLPH HUCKER"]How about extending the idea to naughty fans? Instead of getting thrown out you are made to stand on your chair. In my day this was usually accompanied by a couple of slaps on the backs of the legs....and I wore shorts![/quote]

 

Bet you wore long socks  though.  Were you an ink monitor?Wink [;)]

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should be allowed a blood sub?

if a player gets an injury and needs to change top, or get a few stitches this gives their opposition the advantage with 1 extra player teams should have to choose 1 player to be a blood sub.

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[quote user="RUDOLPH HUCKER"]Yes, long socks and a home knitted jumper. But my shoes had a real compass inside them![/quote]

 

Blimey, you had animal footprints in the soles of your shoes then?  

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should be allowed a blood sub?

if a player gets an injury and needs to change top, or get a few stitches this gives their opposition the advantage with 1 extra player teams should have to choose 1 player to be a blood sub.

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This could of course lead to blood capsules in the mouth, hidden under the tongue!

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We could also extend it to naughty ball boy/girls, fail to get the ball back into play quick enough, make them stand on a chair, facing the crowd, why stop there though, lets punish all naughtiness, naughty majority shareholders could be made to stand on the "Geoffrey Watling Naughty Chair", which is placed in the centre circle at half time....

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ha ha take  100 lines Hucker

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[quote user="Sons of Boadicea"]Nexus - If a team has 2 players in the "bin" their team will suffer the consequences there and then, which may result in players thinking twice about their behaviour. The yellow card in football is no real deterent in that even if a player collects a few and is suspended, the team will still have 11 players on the pitch. With a "sin bin" (or "naughty step") the punishment is potentially instantaneous and is meted out in the game that the offence takes place.[/quote]It undermines the game to much for meSituation :We have Rusty in the Sin Bin for 10 mins for politely telling the linesmen that Chrissy Martin was infact onside when he was called offside , fair deal. Mighty Norwich are 2-0 up at home with 10 men vs 11. Its all good we can hold them with a good men behind ball and its the 60th min.Grant Holt misses a total sitter and drops a pretty decent F-bomb which the ref hears. Now the Fifa official thought the F-bomb was aimed at him cos he had just called Holty on a foul just before he connected with the ball anyway. So Holty is sent to the sin bin.Holt then protests his little move to the naughty step and is told he might as well go take that bath now as hes out of line.Game ends 3-2 because Doc thought it his duty to stick up for his captain and was asked to go sit next to Rusty for 10 mins , Rusty still has 2 mins of his sentance left and because the other team are holding posesion knowing they have a 2 man advantage Rusty infact serves 18 mins simply for  insulting a lineo.

Although a bit epic this could and will happen if you introduce something like the Sin Bin to football.It simply would not work and ill stretch as far as to say its a daft idea !Sorry !

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And before you say, oh oh rolling sin bin, in that regardless of state of play the player can re-join the game as soon as his 10 mins are up. You will be looking at the likes of Fergie telling Roonaldo to tell the ref hes a banker so he can sit on the bench, quickly looking at his watch ol Shrek bounces back onto the pitch... ( as planned with t Sly Fergie of Alex ) totally offside but this is nulified cos he can rejoin at any second and he runs straight onto a perfect tommy toe punt up field from Ferdinand to have a one on one vs the Keeper.GOAL ROONALDO !!!Bet that would piss a few people off.......

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Good response Nexus, this thread is what this message board is all about, opinions and discussion, no right or wrong answers, and nobody taking themselves too seriously. I think your point about using the sin bin to rest an influential player is very good, and perhaps the reason that the sin bin suits the game of Rugby but does not suit the game of football..

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[quote user="thefutureisyellow"]

 

There`s loads of things that egg chasers are doing that footy could benefit from, sin bin, video ref, speaking to the captain instead of the whole team at once,

[/quote]It''s certainly interesting to watch the technical approach taken to the game with the management teams watching and analysing everything on laptops in real time. The video ref is a great feature especially useful for touchline decisions, miking up the ref is genius but for all this technology the same problems exist and a game can still be turned on a bad refereeing decision. Saturdays ref in the Wales Scotland match was shocking, the scrums were diabolically managed and Scotland were penalised time and again for bringing it down when it was quite clear the offender was the Welsh tight head *. (Obviously the ref couldn''t see this from the other side of the Welsh scrum, but the tv cameras could and thus one would suppose the video ref). the Welsh no 5 spent a large chunk of the second half in an offside obstructive position in front of the standoff* and in the interests of fairness the early trip** of Halfpenny should have seen a Scot off the pitch after 10 minutes. then the finale: Was I the only person who noticed that Godwin was two feet off the ground when he was carded for supposedly tripping the player*** (who ran straight into him), one of the worst refereeing decisions I''ve ever seen in any sport, a decision which turned the result and a decision which was made despite not because of the plethora of technology available at that match.the sin bin is a great idea but sadly due to the fact that referees are still prone to be inconsistent or make important errors even in high profile games, it will simply enable an incompetent referee to have even more of an impact upon a game than he would have had otherwise. [:S]* A sin binning offence if repeated.** A straight sin binning offence*** No foul committed but a yellow or red card offence if it does occur.

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[quote user="Sons of Boadicea"]Having watched a gala of sport over the weekend, flicking channels between rugby and football, I was taken by how much respect the rugby players give the ref as opposed to how little respect football players give the ref. In Rugby Union what the ref says goes, whereas in football the norm appears to be to get right into the refs face and query every decision. I wonder if the introduction of a "sin bin" would sort this problem out, back chat to the officials and you spend 10 minutes in the sin bin, do it twice and you get sent off. The only down side I can see is that Rusty and Horse would spend more time in the bin than on the pitch!!....[/quote]

Def No lets keep  at least one sport British please,

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One of the rteasons the egg chasers respect the referee is that the game is basically underpinned by cheating. That''s why the punishments are so draconian.

And yes I did play the wretched game in my youth and have kept a safe distance from iy ever since, if only to avoid the rather over emphasis on other men''s bottoms amongst it''s players.

The sin bin would be futile. It would merely serve to further wreck the game by seeing one team shutting up shop until their player returns to the pitch.

What should be done is to penalise the offending teams players if after a free kick has been awarded -

they touch the ball

move towards the ''free kick spot''

fail to move back the required 10 yards

Simply move the free kick ten yards towards the penalty spot.

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I am for sin bins,  so many offences that its easy to get two yellows and refs do seem to baulk at punishing properly a second serious offence because of managers reactions.  As such a second step to get players off the pitch fora while without reducing the game to 10 men for the wholematch is a good idea as a trial for me.

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[quote user="I am a Banana"]

should be allowed a blood sub?

if a player gets an injury and needs to change top, or get a few stitches this gives their opposition the advantage with 1 extra player teams should have to choose 1 player to be a blood sub.

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Banana - I think this is probably the 1st decent post that I''ve seen from you in a while rather than the usual off the wall pot-count-filling stuff we often see.

I think its unfair where a team make 3 subs and then one of their players gets injured - sometimes deliberately - reducing them to 10 men (or less).  I think a blood sub could work, perhaps maximum for the last 15 minutes of the game or something like that.  It would encourage managers to make more tactical substitutions knowing they have a spare sub in the bank if injuries occur

The only downside would be cheating - maybe there would have to be a 5 minute treatment period before you could bring your blood sub on?  And if you still had subs in hand you would have to use one of them.  But I think its something that could be looked into

With regards to the Naughty Step - sorry - Sinbin - maybe it could be used in the following situations:

"Professional" fouls - last man jobs - perhaps tied in with a penalty regardless of where the foul was.  Second yellows - it may just give players a wakeup call - perhaps a 15 minute sinbin, with a 3rd yellow in one match meaning youre off for the rest of the game.  As an intermediate sanction when players have ''handbags''

 

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[quote user="Nexus_Canary"]And before you say, oh oh rolling sin bin, in that regardless of state of play the player can re-join the game as soon as his 10 mins are up.

You will be looking at the likes of Fergie telling Roonaldo to tell the ref hes a banker so he can sit on the bench, quickly looking at his watch ol Shrek bounces back onto the pitch... ( as planned with t Sly Fergie of Alex ) totally offside but this is nulified cos he can rejoin at any second and he runs straight onto a perfect tommy toe punt up field from Ferdinand to have a one on one vs the Keeper.
GOAL ROONALDO !!!

Bet that would piss a few people off.......
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Im sure that it would probably happen like that at Old Traff but in theory at least, people can ONLY rejoin the game when the ref permits - this happens now (eg following treatment off the pitch)

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