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Where Would We Be Now If Gunn Was Still In Charge?

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Honest answers. If we hadnt sacked him and got Lambert and Gunn was still in charge where do you think we would honestly be?

Me personally, mid table wilderness.

Over to you guys.............

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yeah kinda agree with dogger

but if he was we would be maybe scratching at a play off position, there is no way we would flying this high

but it doesn''t matter he isn''t here and thank god he is not our manager... lasting image of gunn will be of two fans throwing season tickets at him, after 20,000+ forgave him and our team for the run they had since january, in that debacle against colchester united

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If we had stuck with Gunn... we would have sacked him by now anyway.

Mid table competing for the lottery of the playoffs with a new manager, possibly Mr Lambert but at a later date.

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Totally agree with B-ru we would have nicked some scrappy 1-0 and 2-1 wins at home against people like Orient and Wycombe. We would have probably lost to the likes Millwall and Huddersfield etc. So I reckon we''d be about 12th now and Gunn would have been sacked. I reckon we might have ironically turned to Bothroyd if he was still unattached and given him the long term deal. As I doubt Lambert would have joined  from Colchester. Who under him would either  be in the same position they are now or potentially in that second spot with Norwich out of the picture as promotion contenders.  

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Deep in the mire. No, joking aside, I''m convinced we wouldn''t be in the strong position we are now in if Gunny was still here. I think probably somewhere around mid table, with no real hope of promotion this year.

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No idea where we would be - I''m pretty sure we we wouldn''t have been playing anywhere near the level we''re playing at now. Our players wouldn''t be attracting as much interest or gaining in value so much. I''d imagine we would be struggling to hang on to Holt, Hooly, Martin., Russell and Smith. Oh, and Hucks would be involved somewhere. We certainly wouldn''t be in the top two at this point.

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[quote user="Arthur Whittle"]Honest answers. If we hadnt sacked him and got Lambert and Gunn was still in charge where do you think we would honestly be? Me personally, mid table wilderness. Over to you guys.............[/quote]

Ground sharing with Colchester come next August..... with Lambert at the helm until the Celtic job becomes available......

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[quote user="Arthur Whittle"]Honest answers. If we hadnt sacked him and got Lambert and Gunn was still in charge where do you think we would honestly be? Me personally, mid table wilderness. Over to you guys.............[/quote]In despair Arthur.

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That''s a very old picture of our Iwan in your avatar canaryjock!

Circa 2000?

Oh and back to topic, i actually think we''d be fourth or fifth. The quality if the likes of Holt and Martin and askou should still have shone through.

Although this would depend i guess on how he dealt with the keeper situation which was obviously a big problem. If he had stuck with Theo, all bets are off, we''d be mid table!

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a1canary - I like to think of Iwan in those glory days of the early part of this century and in the run up to the promotion season. Still reckon we should''ve given him and Malky another deal for the Premiership. :-(

Anyway, my apologies, I''ve gone off topic!

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We would be sixteenth in League One, Holt would have scored twelve goals, Theo would have let in a few more than that, Whaley would have had a compound nervous breakdown, Tudur-Jones would have broken six different bones in his leg, Matt Gill would be two stone overweight, Paul McVeigh would have started wearing a hairband, tights and a tutu, Jamie Cureton would have one assist but been in the EDP every night to say that it''s not his fault, he''s better playing off a short, quick striker like Craig Bellamy but he desperately wants another chance to prove everyone wrong, and the pre-match music would be "Je Ne Regrette Rien" by Edith Piaf.

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From 9th October, in the Capital Canaries Column

On the 8th August my daughter Gemma and I skulked out of Carrow Road in the 87th minute of a football match that was possibly the lowest point ever in the history of Norwich City FC. It was a horrific display against Colchester and the worst home defeat I could remember in my forty years of following City.

What a contrast to the four nil victory against Barnsley in January which at the time, was seen as a great result. Carrow Road was packed to the rafters and the post Roeder feel good factor was at an all time high. What could have possibly gone wrong that day?

With the benefit of a huge dollop of lovely old hindsight, and in true Dr Pepper style, the worst thing that could have happened was a four nil victory. The assistant kit-man who was fired by Roeder could have picked the team that day, and whatever eleven was selected would have stuffed Barnsley. Gunny got the job mainly on the strength of that one result, much to the surprise of everyone, bar Gemma.

The opposite is true with regard to our defeat by Colchester on the opening day of the season. Although it certainly didn''t feel so at the time, with the benefit of hindsight, it was the best thing that could have happened.

If we had not have suffered that appalling defeat, City could well have meandered though the opening games tactically bereft, as we were last season, picking up a point here and a win there. We may have started the League 1 campaign with say, a win, two draws and three defeats in the first six matches. We may have been near the foot of the table, with mumblings of discontent from the City stand and a poisonous atmosphere in the more vocal areas of the ground.

With but five points from six games, and City back in relegation form, maybe the Board would have been forced into a decision as regards a change of manager. Once the new man was in place, would the season have been recoverable from there? Would we have even able to get our preferred new man?

Of course none of the above happened, but it may well have occurred were it not for the decisive intervention of David McNally.

Nearly four years ago, I wrote an article for the Capital Canaries Column in the PinkUn about the value of shares in Worthington PLC. City had just lost 0-1 to Millwall who had won for the first time in ten home games at the New Den. We had also been badly beaten by QPR and Luton, and Carrow Road had been like a morgue for the games against Sheffield Wednesday and Cardiff. It was obvious to all bar those in charge that Worthington''s time was up at Norwich.

My advice to the Norwich City Board in November 2005 was as follows:-

“Sell your investments in Worthington PLC immediately. It will only cost you a million pounds to get out now, but it will cost your two million in six months time”. But what would they say to that? I would argue that it was a good deal, but would our rich investors like admitting they were wrong and waving good-bye to a million pounds? Or would they wait, more in hope than expectation that things would pick up, and risk yet more money by hanging on?

My advice was acted on, but unfortunately a year later than it should have been, and this procrastination cost Norwich City FC millions of pounds as the majority year of our Premiership parachute payments were squandered.

But this time our Chief Executive acted decisively and in complete contrast to his predecessor. He had already seen enough in one game. Yes the sacking was brutal, but there was no other way. It was a cruel end for a Norwich legend. But it would have been much more cruel to Gunny to have given him more time.

Those supporters who think Gunny was treated badly should ask of the reasons why a complete novice at management was appointed to a job that he was not cut out to do. Those close to him should ask themselves why they thought he was qualified for the job, and why on earth they pushed him into doing it.

I''ll finish up with another quote from November 2005

“.....The worst enemy of an investor is emotion. Take the emotion of out it, make decisions that are based on cold-hearted facts and you will see a winner. The hardest decision to make is when an investment goes pear-shaped and it is time to quit and get out. Knowing when to cut your losses is more important than knowing when to sell near the top of the market. The reason - because it is a tougher decision...”

David McNally recognised that it was time to cut our losses.

Whoever it was that didn''t say, “Thanks and goodbye Gunny”, in May let emotion get in the way of the most important decision that the football club needed to make.

Perhaps they should consider where the football team was at 4.55pm on 8th August.

They should then look at where football team is now.

http://www.pinkun.com/content/pinkun/blogs/story.aspx?brand=PINKUNOnline&category=CapitalCanaries&tBrand=PINKUNOnline&tCategory=CapitalCanaries&itemid=NOED12%20Oct%202009%2011%3A46%3A57%3A977

 

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[quote user="Tim Allman"]

From 9th October, in the Capital Canaries Column

On the 8th August my daughter Gemma and I skulked out of Carrow Road in the 87th minute of a football match that was possibly the lowest point ever in the history of Norwich City FC. It was a horrific display against Colchester and the worst home defeat I could remember in my forty years of following City.

What a contrast to the four nil victory against Barnsley in January which at the time, was seen as a great result. Carrow Road was packed to the rafters and the post Roeder feel good factor was at an all time high. What could have possibly gone wrong that day?

With the benefit of a huge dollop of lovely old hindsight, and in true Dr Pepper style, the worst thing that could have happened was a four nil victory. The assistant kit-man who was fired by Roeder could have picked the team that day, and whatever eleven was selected would have stuffed Barnsley. Gunny got the job mainly on the strength of that one result, much to the surprise of everyone, bar Gemma.

The opposite is true with regard to our defeat by Colchester on the opening day of the season. Although it certainly didn''t feel so at the time, with the benefit of hindsight, it was the best thing that could have happened.

If we had not have suffered that appalling defeat, City could well have meandered though the opening games tactically bereft, as we were last season, picking up a point here and a win there. We may have started the League 1 campaign with say, a win, two draws and three defeats in the first six matches. We may have been near the foot of the table, with mumblings of discontent from the City stand and a poisonous atmosphere in the more vocal areas of the ground.

With but five points from six games, and City back in relegation form, maybe the Board would have been forced into a decision as regards a change of manager. Once the new man was in place, would the season have been recoverable from there? Would we have even able to get our preferred new man?

Of course none of the above happened, but it may well have occurred were it not for the decisive intervention of David McNally.

Nearly four years ago, I wrote an article for the Capital Canaries Column in the PinkUn about the value of shares in Worthington PLC. City had just lost 0-1 to Millwall who had won for the first time in ten home games at the New Den. We had also been badly beaten by QPR and Luton, and Carrow Road had been like a morgue for the games against Sheffield Wednesday and Cardiff. It was obvious to all bar those in charge that Worthington''s time was up at Norwich.

My advice to the Norwich City Board in November 2005 was as follows:-

“Sell your investments in Worthington PLC immediately. It will only cost you a million pounds to get out now, but it will cost your two million in six months time”. But what would they say to that? I would argue that it was a good deal, but would our rich investors like admitting they were wrong and waving good-bye to a million pounds? Or would they wait, more in hope than expectation that things would pick up, and risk yet more money by hanging on?

My advice was acted on, but unfortunately a year later than it should have been, and this procrastination cost Norwich City FC millions of pounds as the majority year of our Premiership parachute payments were squandered.

But this time our Chief Executive acted decisively and in complete contrast to his predecessor. He had already seen enough in one game. Yes the sacking was brutal, but there was no other way. It was a cruel end for a Norwich legend. But it would have been much more cruel to Gunny to have given him more time.

Those supporters who think Gunny was treated badly should ask of the reasons why a complete novice at management was appointed to a job that he was not cut out to do. Those close to him should ask themselves why they thought he was qualified for the job, and why on earth they pushed him into doing it.

I''ll finish up with another quote from November 2005

“.....The worst enemy of an investor is emotion. Take the emotion of out it, make decisions that are based on cold-hearted facts and you will see a winner. The hardest decision to make is when an investment goes pear-shaped and it is time to quit and get out. Knowing when to cut your losses is more important than knowing when to sell near the top of the market. The reason - because it is a tougher decision...”

David McNally recognised that it was time to cut our losses.

Whoever it was that didn''t say, “Thanks and goodbye Gunny”, in May let emotion get in the way of the most important decision that the football club needed to make.

Perhaps they should consider where the football team was at 4.55pm on 8th August.

They should then look at where football team is now.

http://www.pinkun.com/content/pinkun/blogs/story.aspx?brand=PINKUNOnline&category=CapitalCanaries&tBrand=PINKUNOnline&tCategory=CapitalCanaries&itemid=NOED12%20Oct%202009%2011%3A46%3A57%3A977

 

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Some good points, and pretty much agree with all of it including the Worthington stuff. Looking at the thread the only answer is where would we be without Hula Hoop, Doc and Rusty. Not second methinks.

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