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We currenty get gates similar to those we had last season, so income in that sense is no worse. Should our piority not be to get new investment? what do we actually gain from promotion other than being one league higher?

All I can see is that we will be bound to pay higher wages for new players and ultimatly be left in a worse position financially.

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[quote user="Yellow Shirt"]Other revenue streams such as TV and Sponsership are higher with every league, as is prize money.[/quote]I think the spelling went well there... sorry! ;)

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We gain more cash from playing a league higher, and playing at a better level of football would help attract new investment.

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We got 24,000+ crowds playing shite footy last year but in a higher division.  If we were mid or low table this year, the crowds would not be there to that extent, and the drop off would be significant for next season. 

Also, if we were in the CCC, we''d be just 1 season away from the promised land.  No matter what we do this year, we won''t be Prem next starting from League 1.  

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Good point.

That kind of **** about face thinking could have us in the Premiership if we are not careful. It is bad enough that we might end up at Wembley for a cup final without the added threat of having to go there in some playoff thingy.

Keep the ambition down to the minimal, use the gate revenue to host ''investor'' seminars, explain that the club is not going to do much about it''s future and is hoping that some asset stripper ... oops investor finally becomes interested.

Until that happens do we caution the players against winning games ?

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Possibly the most stupid thread ever started on this message board. (and I''m including ones started by smudger)

Although we should be looking for new investment, and I''m sure that the new regime in the board room is doing just that.

But wtf can''t people just be pleased that we are in the middle of a good run and stop making going up sound like something bad!

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[quote user="The Saturday Boy"]Possibly the most stupid thread ever started on this message board. (and I''m including ones started by smudger)

Although we should be looking for new investment, and I''m sure that the new regime in the board room is doing just that.

But wtf can''t people just be pleased that we are in the middle of a good run and stop making going up sound like something bad![/quote]

whats happend to him lately ? since we started winning we have''nt heard from him

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" whats happend to him lately ? since we started winning we have''nt heard from him"

I think along with many of the ''friends of the binners'' they know they will get shot down in flames at the moment.

The earlier stuff about the parlous state of affairs and Binman Road would normally have had sudger#s fellow travellers if not him squeaking in load cries of outrage about how our club should follow their lead.

We are jealous of their big new ''investor'', they have millions and millions etc etc

But fear not, a defeat or two will lift the stone and out they will all crawl.

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[quote user="The Saturday Boy"]Possibly the most stupid thread ever started on this message board. (and I''m including ones started by smudger)

Although we should be looking for new investment, and I''m sure that the new regime in the board room is doing just that.

But wtf can''t people just be pleased that we are in the middle of a good run and stop making going up sound like something bad![/quote]

I''m happy don''t get me wrong, I just don''t get how we benefit in that order. And as for simly being closer to the prem as a previous poster suggested, closer is of no use if you cant back it up with money, thats why the money needs to come first, otherwise promotion is pointless.

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[quote user="Yellow Rages"]We currenty get gates similar to those we had last season, so income in that sense is no worse. Should our piority not be to get new investment? what do we actually gain from promotion other than being one league higher?

All I can see is that we will be bound to pay higher wages for new players and ultimatly be left in a worse position financially.[/quote]I see what you mean, it could all go Luton''s up and all that, but i think we''re big enough to sustain championship football, easily. A couple of youth players promoted and adapted to champ football, and we won''t have a massive wage bill or the real need to buy too many new players.

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''promotion is pointless''

NO IT''S NOT. We''ll have far more chance at getting investment in the champ rather than league 1, if thats what''s important to you. And a well organised team can go far in the champonship without spending too much money - see burnley, stoke, hull from recent seasons.

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Maybe young lad you might wish to look at Hull, Pompey and Southend, Reading, Southampton, Newcastle ...... and I can assure you numerous other clubs in a few months time. If you are so niave as to think there is some fairy godfather out there waiting to ''invest'' then pehaps it explains the absurdity of your suggestion.

A suggestio that would have us tell our players, our manager and lord knws who else to ''ease off''. Other than the accusations and possible charges of almost match fixing how long to you think we would retain anyone of any worth ?

There are not investors, there are those who see ownership of a football club in many ways. Every single one of those ways being not in the interest of the club''s supporters.

Most of these club''s were originally financial baskets cases (as down the A140) and had little choice in who kept them going.

Perhaps you might care to cast your mind back to when the dimwitted biiners were at Carrow Road wetting their knickers over the news that they had secured an ''investor''.

All debts cleared, £12m to spend on the team. It could not have been better had the boundary commison decreed that ipswich was to be part of London''s Eastend.

Take a cold hard look at the reality. The actual debt is in fact a few million higher, the annual income has dropped year on year and they have been sat at the bottom of the table for a month or so.

Yes, you might bleat but where would they have been without him. Well for us I doubt City will be in the need of such an asset stripper. Maybe if they had actually paid their way, lived within their means they might still have their club.

I have no wish to see our club bandied about as some tax loss, swapped beteen so many shake ,rattle and rolls, far eastern crooks and dogy porn pedlars.

The s88t hasn''t hit the fan yet, though it might have done a bit further south when the reality of their plight slowly sinks in -s&&t and fan being the operative words !

Too many clubs are far too heavily geared debt wise. The wheels have begun to come off and we are going to soon see why these so called ''investors'' were in the game in the first place.

Remember most don''t put in their own money they borrow against various securities - with the debt left wth the club when it all goes wrong.

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[quote user="The Saturday Boy"]''promotion is pointless''

NO IT''S NOT. We''ll have far more chance at getting investment in the champ rather than league 1, if thats what''s important to you. And a well organised team can go far in the champonship without spending too much money - see burnley, stoke, hull from recent seasons.[/quote]

so you would be banking on us being organised like a few sides previosly rather than well financed like nearly every promoted side since day one

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You don''t appear to be very bright, are you from suffolk by any chance ?

You haven''t answered the basic question, so I will repeat.

We are doing well, six wins out of seven.

So how do you stop the players winning games ?

Why should we constrain our ambitions because a simpleton such as yourself believes that without this mythical investor we will only fail ?

What do we do in the meantime whilst we wait for this figment of your fervent imagination  to appear ...... and how long do we wait ?

 

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Tickets aren''t as expensive this season so we are losing money.

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[quote user="Yellow Rages"]We currenty get gates similar to those we had last season, so income in that sense is no worse. Should our piority not be to get new investment? what do we actually gain from promotion other than being one league higher?

All I can see is that we will be bound to pay higher wages for new players and ultimatly be left in a worse position financially.[/quote]Higher league = more attractive investment proposition = more likely to get new investment.

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Simple - Because I would love Norwich to be a successful club with ambitions, not just a club flaunting all of this to balance the books and see Norwich just as a profitable business and nothing else

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Someone has obviously heard about the new Pink''un Message Board awards and is hoping for the Most ridiculous, stupid, pathetic, inane, moronic utterly unbelievable post of the year award.

After all, this is only professional football, where players are paid to play their best and, believe it or not, WIN.  Which, as a completely irrelevant by product, leads to........ yes you''ve guessed it.......... drumroll please...... PROMOTION!!............. TA DA!!!

Jeeeeeezzz[8-)]

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It''s kinda the whole point of playing. The hopes and dreams of everyone connected with a club to be as successful as possible(normally). Struggling to comprehend how anyone could contemplate having a tactic to not do well and then sharing the idea. I get my excitement from the football not from dreaming of possible investment. Get a grip.

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[quote user="Yellow Rages"]We currenty get gates similar to those we had last season, so income in that sense is no worse. Should our piority not be to get new investment? what do we actually gain from promotion other than being one league higher? All I can see is that we will be bound to pay higher wages for new players and ultimatly be left in a worse position financially.[/quote]

Hmm, just a thought but maybe getting promoted is the best way to go about attracting investment? If we stay in this division it is not investors we will be looking for but administators. Plus I would expect crowds to drop down well below 20,000 if we were still in this div next yr.

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[quote user="City1st"]

You don''t appear to be very bright, are you from suffolk by any chance ?

You haven''t answered the basic question, so I will repeat.

We are doing well, six wins out of seven.

So how do you stop the players winning games ?

Why should we constrain our ambitions because a simpleton such as yourself believes that without this mythical investor we will only fail ?

What do we do in the meantime whilst we wait for this figment of your fervent imagination  to appear ...... and how long do we wait ?

 

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I am not suggesting we don''t try and get promoted, I''m saying the most effective way of us achieving long term success is to stablise the club first. My point is born from the clubs statement that ''promotion is the number one priority'' and I don''t think that solves our problems.

And so to answer your question again, no we should not constrain our ambitions I have not said that at all. In the meantime, we should do what we can on the field whilst maintaining our number one focus on finding investment. Not a figment of many clubs imaginations right through the league system.

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[quote user="Yellow Rages"][quote user="City1st"]

You don''t appear to be very bright, are you from suffolk by any chance ?

You haven''t answered the basic question, so I will repeat.

We are doing well, six wins out of seven.

So how do you stop the players winning games ?

Why should we constrain our ambitions because a simpleton such as yourself believes that without this mythical investor we will only fail ?

What do we do in the meantime whilst we wait for this figment of your fervent imagination  to appear ...... and how long do we wait ?

 

[/quote] I am not suggesting we don''t try and get promoted, I''m saying the most effective way of us achieving long term success is to stablise the club first. My point is born from the clubs statement that ''promotion is the number one priority'' and I don''t think that solves our problems. And so to answer your question again, no we should not constrain our ambitions I have not said that at all. In the meantime, we should do what we can on the field whilst maintaining our number one focus on finding investment. Not a figment of many clubs imaginations right through the league system.[/quote]

Is our club less stable than the clubs we are competing with for promotion? Or indeed less stable than the clubs we would compete with in Division Two? If we are winning games and challenging for promotion is that not being successful?

 

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Yellow rages your argument is based on false assumptions ie me claiming that as you are sat on a pink elephant what is the best method for you to climb off. Any answer by you would be fruitless as I would constantly come back to you being on an elephant.

What is this guff about stabilising the club you keep warbling about ?

What do you think would be the reaction of fans if the club were to issue the kind of statement you a chuntering on about.

" Our priority is to find some asset stripper as opposed to winning games and gaining promotion "

Why are you so concerned about our current success, if your theory is correct we will not succeed as we don''t have one of these ''investors''.

 

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The whole idea of investment being sought is flawed. If investment was the only way forward for clubs then it would only be the richest of clubs that succeeded. Fair enough that is what is happening now in many cases, Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool and more recently Manchester City where money has no bounds. But there are other clubs who have succeeded through their own endeavours and the progress Arsenal has made is something to be proud of without ‘an owner’ like the other clubs.

Unfortunately until football changes it will only be the richest that succeed and we will never be in there with the richest simply because of our size. The best we can hope for is to emulate the likes of Blackburn, Portsmouth, Bolton, Fulham and more recently Stoke City (how many people didn’t want anything to do with Tony Pullis when we were managerless?) and stay as an also ran in the Premiership.

Football must change otherwise it will become stale. It is 1995 since we had more than one of the ‘big four’ not in the top four. They have occupied three of the top four places now for nearly fifteen years and have been the top four for the last four seasons. Personally I feel it is time for a change but investment, unless it is the bottomless pit of Manchester City, will not change it and there are going to be very, very few teams who will attract that kind of investment.

Football has in place many things that favour the rich and persecute and disadvantage the poor. The biggest of these is the loan system which makes money for the big boys at the expense of the lesser clubs. Massive squads can be maintained by loaning players out whilst still keeping registrations ‘for future use’.

Loans should be banned (except possibly for goalkeepers in emergencies), squad limitation should be seriously looked at so that the big four cannot buy players just to make sure other clubs don’t get them and then perhaps other clubs would, hopefully, get a look in.

If this happened then perhaps there would not always be the craving for investment which, in the long term, could be extremely damaging.

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Wtf I thought the aim of football was to win games and be as succesful as possible. Surely the aim of the game is to be as high up the league ladder as possible as a football club. If we stay in league 1 for another couple of years we won''t be getting 24k every week, we will still be well supported for the division but to come people coming, the championship is the minimum that is acceptable for a football club of our size.

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[quote user="Yellow Rages"]We currenty get gates similar to those we had last season, so income in that sense is no worse. Should our piority not be to get new investment? what do we actually gain from promotion other than being one league higher? All I can see is that we will be bound to pay higher wages for new players and ultimatly be left in a worse position financially.[/quote]

purely because if we dont go up i think we are financially up the creek.. Investment may come but we need to cover the club short term.

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I feel prouder when I tell people Norwich is in the Prem than I do when I tell them my scarf is for a club that went down to the 3rd Division for the 1st time in 50+ years. Who wants to support a perennial loser, other than people from Ipsnitch?

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[quote user="City1st"]

Too many clubs are far too heavily geared debt wise.

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Yes, and that includes us.  The difference being that most of the others didn''t have "Prudence with Ambition" as their mantra . . . [:S]

It amazes me that there are still some fans out there who don''t seem to realise how utterly dire our financial situation  is.

 

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