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All,

I would be interested in your thoughts...Sometimes Norwich have struggled to attract players, like alot of players whether it be loans or signing, they would either settle for a London club in the same league or sign for some obscure club out of the blue.

Could this effect any investment in Norwich as london clubs are getting snapped up....

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i think that a lot of the problems getting some o the players to sign is geographical  and transport related and that would probably have a bearing on the decision that some investors make , the major problem being transport and now living out of the area i also know that a lot of people see us as a smallish club and a bit of a backwater town

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i see what your saying but it should not be the case .

we have a airport 10 minutes away from the ground , good travel by train and road .

half the reason no one is investing is the queen of the cooker wont sell .

if you look at the positves this club has got it should sell itself , lovely area ,good holiday resorts near by even the queen visits and likes norfolk ..!! low crime rate and a very good fan base that out numbers most in the championship and division 3. we should be a great prospect for any investor .

if notts county can get someone with a big fianancial clout behind them the is no reason why norwich should not .

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Problem is that most players are young and Norwich being a nice place is not really a priority for them, plus it is hard to get to & from compared with a lot of places and if you are young you''ll want to go home regularly to see your mates / family.

It''s not just Norwich but Wales, West Country, Kent etc that struggle to attract players and big clubs despite large catchment areas. Also these areas being away from the media centres (Manchester, London etc..) don''t pick up the coverage that players want....

Invest in youth I say, look at Korey, Rudd, Martin and the likes....

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to say we have good road links is a joke. We have got to be in the top 5 worst countys for road travel. And as for rail good service to london anywere else *

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Lots of clubs struggle to attract plyers.

   I have heard the same complaints from  Middlesborough, Sunderland and even Newcastle, not to mention  Bristol, Plymouth, Cardiff, Ipswich, Midlands clubs,

In previous times we have attracted some very good players.

We live in a very small country , you can be almost anywhere from anywhere in a few hours.

I work with people from Europe and the US, they find it laughable that we think we are remote, as far as they are concerned 100 miles from London is local.

I also know a few Aussies who cant believe how busy our "country " roads  are.

 

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I don''t think the premise, that due to our geographical location we have problems attracting players or investment.  Norfolk has a huge catchment area with already excellent support plus potential for plenty more if we could secure the club in the top flight.  If you have money, players come not to mention the added reasons for which so many players fall in love with Norwich and Norfolk (great standard of living, countryside on the door step, unspoilt villages etc etc.  Let''s face it, the modern player hardly has the problem of having to go from A to B in an old rusty Escort.  Testament to this is the amount of players who return to retire here.  We have everything in place, we just need the money. 

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[quote user="canarywales"]i think that a lot of the problems getting some o the players to sign is geographical  and transport related and that would probably have a bearing on the decision that some investors make , the major problem being transport and now living out of the area i also know that a lot of people see us as a smallish club and a bit of a backwater town[/quote] This happens far to often [:@]

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" if notts county can get someone with a big fianancial clout behind them"

Problem is the league hasn''t actually sorted out who is behind them. At the moment it is some shadowy offshore group called QADBAK.

Off course their intentions are purely honourable and in no way invovles anykind of dodgy dealing - which cannot be said of others who previously owned the club. Namely one Russel King a convictee fraudster. King is linked to a company, the Belgravia Group, that is the subject of a criminal investigation in Jersey, as is Nathan Willett, the son of Peter Willett, a club director.

Now why would these benevolent ''investors'' pick a basket case of a club ? For it''s obvious potential or, as with our impoverished neighbours, it has little choice and is in no position to turn down anyone. Of course no such naughty people exist. They are ''investors''. Cue angelic music, pictures of kittens and warm glow all round.

Well, maybe Robert Maxwell, the ex chairman of Exeter City and his deputy, Livingston Football Club chairman Dominic Keane''s, Derby County three, Swindon Town chairman, Brian Hillier, and its accountant, Vivian Farrar, Queens Park Rangers director Flavio Briatore, Luton''s chairman Bill Tomlins, ex-finance director Derek Peter and current directors John Mitchell and Richard Bagehot, Pompey''s Peter Storrie, Leeds Risdale, Brighton Bill Archer...........

And maybe the likes of Newcastle''s Ashley should oerhaps suggest that people with money did not get that money by being nice or a soft touch. We are not a basket case but I''m sure there''s plenty out there who could make it that way. And sadly a few on here who would have us that way.

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[quote user="City1st"]

" if notts county can get someone with a big fianancial clout behind them"

Problem is the league hasn''t actually sorted out who is behind them. At the moment it is some shadowy offshore group called QADBAK.

Off course their intentions are purely honourable and in no way invovles anykind of dodgy dealing - which cannot be said of others who previously owned the club. Namely one Russel King a convictee fraudster. King is linked to a company, the Belgravia Group, that is the subject of a criminal investigation in Jersey, as is Nathan Willett, the son of Peter Willett, a club director.

Now why would these benevolent ''investors'' pick a basket case of a club ? For it''s obvious potential or, as with our impoverished neighbours, it has little choice and is in no position to turn down anyone. Of course no such naughty people exist. They are ''investors''. Cue angelic music, pictures of kittens and warm glow all round.

Well, maybe Robert Maxwell, the ex chairman of Exeter City and his deputy, Livingston Football Club chairman Dominic Keane''s, Derby County three, Swindon Town chairman, Brian Hillier, and its accountant, Vivian Farrar, Queens Park Rangers director Flavio Briatore, Luton''s chairman Bill Tomlins, ex-finance director Derek Peter and current directors John Mitchell and Richard Bagehot, Pompey''s Peter Storrie, Leeds Risdale, Brighton Bill Archer...........

And maybe the likes of Newcastle''s Ashley should oerhaps suggest that people with money did not get that money by being nice or a soft touch. We are not a basket case but I''m sure there''s plenty out there who could make it that way. And sadly a few on here who would have us that way.

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Completely agree.

One to add to your list would be Dave Richards who was chairman at Sheffield Wednesday throughout their ridiculous overspending and subsequent decline in the 1990s, before  somehow being appointed Chairman of the Premier League a few months before Wednesday were relegated. He was presenting Man United the trophy at Old Trafford the day Wednesday went down, something he was largely responsible for.

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I do think luck plays a part aswell, of course there are factors e.g location, fan base, access etc. but I do think that if a billionaire for example wanted a team in a certain area of the country and he didnt like one club ruling them out that surely is luck.

But I am surprised we havn`t been bought out because obviously Norwich is one of the nicest cities in the UK and of course a brilliant countryside around it. There are 2 reasons that I think we havn`t been bought out 1. Delia 2. we are the closest city to Ipswich one of the worst towns in the UK

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[quote user="singing canary"]

i see what your saying but it should not be the case .

we have a airport 10 minutes away from the ground , good travel by train and road .

half the reason no one is investing is the queen of the cooker wont sell .

if you look at the positves this club has got it should sell itself , lovely area ,good holiday resorts near by even the queen visits and likes norfolk ..!! low crime rate and a very good fan base that out numbers most in the championship and division 3. we should be a great prospect for any investor .

if notts county can get someone with a big fianancial clout behind them the is no reason why norwich should not .

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Airport 10 minutes away.  Fine if you want to go to Schipol or Edinburgh - crap for just about anywhere else

Good travel by train?  2 hours on a crapmobile with dirty toilets?  Try travelling on Southwest trains, and then compare them to our trains - its like comparing an old mini with a BMW Z4

Good roads?  Really?  Have you ever tried to get through Elveden on a busy morning?  or the A14 at Newmarket?  And the A17 and A47 are jokes

As for the cook - what you mean is she wont give her shares away for free

Nottingham - on the A1, easy access to the East Coast main line, East Midlands and Birmingham airports a short hop away and you''ll be at Stansted, Manchester or Leeds Bradford before the Park and Ride has got you up to Norwich ''International''

THATS why Notts County and the like get investment.....

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Singing Canary I must protest at your constant hammering of Delia Smith Had she not stomped up when she did you would be a Dead Duck with no team pitch club etc to moan about, give it a rest,,

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[quote user="City1st"]

" if notts county can get someone with a big fianancial clout behind them"

Problem is the league hasn''t actually sorted out who is behind them. At the moment it is some shadowy offshore group called QADBAK.

Off course their intentions are purely honourable and in no way invovles anykind of dodgy dealing - which cannot be said of others who previously owned the club. Namely one Russel King a convictee fraudster. King is linked to a company, the Belgravia Group, that is the subject of a criminal investigation in Jersey, as is Nathan Willett, the son of Peter Willett, a club director.

Now why would these benevolent ''investors'' pick a basket case of a club ? For it''s obvious potential or, as with our impoverished neighbours, it has little choice and is in no position to turn down anyone. Of course no such naughty people exist. They are ''investors''. Cue angelic music, pictures of kittens and warm glow all round.

Well, maybe Robert Maxwell, the ex chairman of Exeter City and his deputy, Livingston Football Club chairman Dominic Keane''s, Derby County three, Swindon Town chairman, Brian Hillier, and its accountant, Vivian Farrar, Queens Park Rangers director Flavio Briatore, Luton''s chairman Bill Tomlins, ex-finance director Derek Peter and current directors John Mitchell and Richard Bagehot, Pompey''s Peter Storrie, Leeds Risdale, Brighton Bill Archer...........

And maybe the likes of Newcastle''s Ashley should oerhaps suggest that people with money did not get that money by being nice or a soft touch. We are not a basket case but I''m sure there''s plenty out there who could make it that way. And sadly a few on here who would have us that way.

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Let''s add to that growing list, George Reynolds formerly Darlington chairman. Used to be a professional safe cracker and smuggler, initially was Mr. Popular up there and even built them a shiny new stadium but then took the club into administration and was sentanced to 3 years in jail for tax evasion. Although his autobiography makes facisinating reading...

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[quote user="Bricky the First"]Singing Canary I must protest at your constant hammering of Delia Smith Had she not stomped up when she did you would be a Dead Duck with no team pitch club etc to moan about, give it a rest,,[/quote]

Bricky

I dont know if youre genuinely new to this forum or if you used to post as someone else - but word of advice just in case you are new

Pinkun posters will blame Delia for everything - our current league position, the fact that we havent won a trophy since 2004, losing the playoff in 2002, Man U winning the league, Man U not winning the league, the recession, swine flu, bankers bonuses and the fact that the earth is not in fact flat (though there are some posters that still deny this).  Anything remotely assumed to be pro-Delia (in other words not clearly anti-Delia) is wrong and anyone propogating such rubbish should be shot.  After being hung drawn and quartered and thrown on a large bonfire

Im sure someone else would have come along if Delia hadnt - but whether they would have been better or worse who knows.  We might have ended up with Marcus Evans and Roy Keane...

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[quote user="Barclay hero"]

[quote user="Bricky the First"]Singing Canary I must protest at your constant hammering of Delia Smith Had she not stomped up when she did you would be a Dead Duck with no team pitch club etc to moan about, give it a rest,,[/quote]

Bricky

I dont know if youre genuinely new to this forum or if you used to post as someone else - but word of advice just in case you are new

Certain Pinkun posters will blame Delia for everything - our current league position, the fact that we havent won a trophy since 2004, losing the playoff in 2002, Man U winning the league, Man U not winning the league, the recession, swine flu, bankers bonuses and the fact that the earth is not in fact flat (though there are some posters that still deny this).  Anything remotely assumed to be pro-Delia (in other words not clearly anti-Delia) is wrong and anyone propogating such rubbish should be shot.  After being hung drawn and quartered and thrown on a large bonfire

Im sure someone else would have come along if Delia hadnt - but whether they would have been better or worse who knows.  We might have ended up with Marcus Evans and Roy Keane...

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Edited to avoid any lawsuit that might come your way [:P]

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It is a definate problem (our geographical location). However when a player does move to the area, some (Huckerby) fall in love with the area and don''t want to move elsewhere. Although - yes he did then o to USA but from what he has said he wants to come back to Norfolk!

When you see players like Damo Franics move to Wigan, only because of Prem wages, similar goes to Etuhu going to Sunderland. Its all money related. Lets face it Wigan and Sunderland are like one big HOLE! The list could continue - especially when you see teams attracting players going to Hull, Portsmouth, Burnley, Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton - all of which are a dump!

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[quote user="Colchester Canary"]

It is a definate problem (our geographical location). However when a player does move to the area, some (Huckerby) fall in love with the area and don''t want to move elsewhere. Although - yes he did then o to USA but from what he has said he wants to come back to Norfolk!

When you see players like Damo Franics move to Wigan, only because of Prem wages, similar goes to Etuhu going to Sunderland. Its all money related. Lets face it Wigan and Sunderland are like one big HOLE! The list could continue - especially when you see teams attracting players going to Hull, Portsmouth, Burnley, Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton - all of which are a dump!

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Not really fair.  Of course you can monster such cities per se but within easy reach of all those named there is some beautiful countryside.  To which you  could add Leeds and Carlisle.  Prince of Wales Road on a Fri/Sat night and the Lakenham Estate is also a HOLE but I doubt you would wish Norwich to be judged by it.  Military Road, Colchester, is a HOLE as is the Greenstead Estate but both are only 20 minutes or so from Constable Country.

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Cam,

 

Are you confusing Lakenham and Larkman estates?

Neither are great but the Larkman wins hands down on the Holeometer.

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If you''re in the Premiership and you''re trying to attract players of sufficient quality to play at that level, then I think it''s quite difficult for smaller clubs such as City to do so, but in the Third Division I think we''re a bit of a giant and therefore we shouldn''t have too much trouble finding players good enough for this division. 

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[quote user="Camuldonum"][quote user="Colchester Canary"]

It is a definate problem (our geographical location). However when a player does move to the area, some (Huckerby) fall in love with the area and don''t want to move elsewhere. Although - yes he did then o to USA but from what he has said he wants to come back to Norfolk!

When you see players like Damo Franics move to Wigan, only because of Prem wages, similar goes to Etuhu going to Sunderland. Its all money related. Lets face it Wigan and Sunderland are like one big HOLE! The list could continue - especially when you see teams attracting players going to Hull, Portsmouth, Burnley, Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton - all of which are a dump!

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Not really fair.  Of course you can monster such cities per se but within easy reach of all those named there is some beautiful countryside.  To which you  could add Leeds and Carlisle.  Prince of Wales Road on a Fri/Sat night and the Lakenham Estate is also a HOLE but I doubt you would wish Norwich to be judged by it.  Military Road, Colchester, is a HOLE as is the Greenstead Estate but both are only 20 minutes or so from Constable Country.

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Thanks Cam - I live just off Military Road! Yes I would agree that everywhere actually has "dodgy" areas - however when picturing Hull, all I can think of is fish/tug boats/bad smells.

Maybe i''m a bit harsh

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[quote user="Colchester Canary"][quote user="Camuldonum"][quote user="Colchester Canary"]

It is a definate problem (our geographical location). However when a player does move to the area, some (Huckerby) fall in love with the area and don''t want to move elsewhere. Although - yes he did then o to USA but from what he has said he wants to come back to Norfolk!

When you see players like Damo Franics move to Wigan, only because of Prem wages, similar goes to Etuhu going to Sunderland. Its all money related. Lets face it Wigan and Sunderland are like one big HOLE! The list could continue - especially when you see teams attracting players going to Hull, Portsmouth, Burnley, Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton - all of which are a dump!

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Not really fair.  Of course you can monster such cities per se but within easy reach of all those named there is some beautiful countryside.  To which you  could add Leeds and Carlisle.  Prince of Wales Road on a Fri/Sat night and the Lakenham Estate is also a HOLE but I doubt you would wish Norwich to be judged by it.  Military Road, Colchester, is a HOLE as is the Greenstead Estate but both are only 20 minutes or so from Constable Country.

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Thanks Cam - I live just off Military Road! Yes I would agree that everywhere actually has "dodgy" areas - however when picturing Hull, all I can think of is fish/tug boats/bad smells.

Maybe i''m a bit harsh

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It''s easy to compartmentalise if you want to (we do it all the time[:P])  - Hull has a great maritime museum and The Deep and within 20 minutes of Hull there is some lovely East Yorkshire just as within 20 minutes of Codheads FC at Grimsby there is some very nice countryside and you are on the edge of the Wolds.

What is a fact is that if you talk to the County Council, government Regional lot about Norfolk they will tell you that attracting companies/investment is difficult because it IS perceived as being "at the end of the line"  as it were.  They will say that the main problem is with companies who want national distribution is that there is not a motorway network.  Personally, I wouldn''t want to see a beautiful county like Norfolk ripped apart by a series of Mways but that''s the problem that some see.

The juggernauts that feed Tesco, the Co-op, Waitrose, M&S stores in your city all start out from the Midlands - perceived as the transport hub and with some justification.  Couple of hours from Norfolk, Suffolk, Essex, not that many more hours from Wales, not that many hours from London.

 

Don''t diss Tug Boat Captains - they are probably the highest paid people on the water around our shores (and with good reason).[:)]

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I don''t bu the geographical argument as it was the same in the 70s, 80s and 90s when successful teams were assembled. A lot was lost when the Academy was abandoned during the Chase era and it is only now beginning to deliver in quantity again. Roeder perpetrated this by sending Spillane and Martin off to Luton, Lewis to Posh and ignoring other young players knocking at the door.

When three players at the same position are injured, it''s hardly an attractive option for someone coming in. What is the long-term prospect when all three are fit again? Askou did a great job shifting over to RB today and with Wiggins coming on for Drury today, Lambert still has options. This is a decent squad with good depth, so it''s hardly a crisis. OTBC! 

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