Rustys 1st Touch 0 Posted October 12, 2009 Here are some stats based on Norwich''s results when Wes starts games and when he doesn''t start or play at all. I''ve focussed solely on our league gamesSeason 2008/2009 Started 27 Not Started/Played 19 Won 10 Won 2 Lost 11 Lost 14 Draws 6 Draws 3 Win Ratio - 37% Win Ratio - 10.5% Loss Ratio - 40.7% Loss Ratio - 73.6%----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Overall Total Started 35 Not Started/Played 23 Won 13 Won 4 Lost 13 Lost 15 Draws 9 Draws 4Win Ratio - 37.1% Win Ratio - 17.4%Loss Ratio - 37.1% Loss Ratio - 65.2%-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Basically with Wes in the team we win more games, lose less and draw more. If he had played more last season we may have stayed up but I guess we also needed a manager to get the best out of him which we now have.Also interesting to note the amount of times he was subbed off early during games compared with Lamberts decision to keep him on for the full game.Thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
William Darby 0 Posted October 12, 2009 Strange that, when you lose less, you draw and win more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gingerpele 0 Posted October 12, 2009 Well, i don''t no stats, but i guessed when Wes played we won more, because he adds something, and even if he doesn''t the opposition have to be wary of him incase he does something dangerous, so we could stick Wes anywhere and he could do nothing all game, and people may moan, but really he is a distraction for the other team to deal with...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thecanaryfan 0 Posted October 12, 2009 [quote user="Slow The Bgger Down"]Strange that, when you lose less, you draw and win more.[/quote]Strange indeed, whats even stranger is facts dont lie. Without Wes we would have no forward momentum. He will be invaluable this season. Favourite player by far right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John 0 Posted October 12, 2009 [quote user="Rustys 1st Touch"]Here are some stats based on Norwich''s results when Wes starts games and when he doesn''t start or play at all. I''ve focussed solely on our league gamesSeason 2008/2009 Started 27 Not Started/Played 19 Won 10 Won 2 Lost 11 Lost 14 Draws 6 Draws 3 Win Ratio - 37% Win Ratio - 10.5% Loss Ratio - 40.7% Loss Ratio - 73.6%----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Overall Total Started 35 Not Started/Played 23 Won 13 Won 4 Lost 13 Lost 15 Draws 9 Draws 4Win Ratio - 37.1% Win Ratio - 17.4%Loss Ratio - 37.1% Loss Ratio - 65.2%-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Basically with Wes in the team we win more games, lose less and draw more. If he had played more last season we may have stayed up but I guess we also needed a manager to get the best out of him which we now have.Also interesting to note the amount of times he was subbed off early during games compared with Lamberts decision to keep him on for the full game.Thoughts?[/quote]Smudger is a fool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
singing canary 0 Posted October 12, 2009 interesting stats .i rate the player lets hope we can keep hold of him and he stays fit all season .. not forgeting he was blackpools key player when they gained promotion to the championship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Chops 7 Posted October 12, 2009 [quote user="Rustys 1st Touch"]Here are some stats based on Norwich''s results when Wes starts games and when he doesn''t start or play at all. I''ve focussed solely on our league gamesSeason 2008/2009 Started 27 Not Started/Played 19 Won 10 Won 2 Lost 11 Lost 14 Draws 6 Draws 3 Win Ratio - 37% Win Ratio - 10.5% Loss Ratio - 40.7% Loss Ratio - 73.6%----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Overall Total Started 35 Not Started/Played 23 Won 13 Won 4 Lost 13 Lost 15 Draws 9 Draws 4Win Ratio - 37.1% Win Ratio - 17.4%Loss Ratio - 37.1% Loss Ratio - 65.2%-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Basically with Wes in the team we win more games, lose less and draw more. If he had played more last season we may have stayed up but I guess we also needed a manager to get the best out of him which we now have.Also interesting to note the amount of times he was subbed off early during games compared with Lamberts decision to keep him on for the full game.Thoughts?[/quote]Good stats, thanks. Well, these show that he''s clearly an overrated, one-footed Oirish midget primadonna show pony.Or perhaps, as most right-thinking people realised last season, despite being frustrating and sometimes annoying, he''s our most creative and attacking threat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
William Darby 0 Posted October 12, 2009 [quote user="Thecanaryfan"][quote user="Slow The Bgger Down"]Strange that, when you lose less, you draw and win more.[/quote]Strange indeed, whats even stranger is facts dont lie. Without Wes we would have no forward momentum. He will be invaluable this season. Favourite player by far right now.[/quote]Call me a kipper, but..... you can''t run one set of tests and then call it a fact in your conclusion. To be accurate and announce Wes is the best, you have to compare every player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Chops 7 Posted October 12, 2009 [quote user="Slow The Bgger Down"][quote user="Thecanaryfan"][quote user="Slow The Bgger Down"]Strange that, when you lose less, you draw and win more.[/quote]Strange indeed, whats even stranger is facts dont lie. Without Wes we would have no forward momentum. He will be invaluable this season. Favourite player by far right now.[/quote]Call me a kipper, but..... you can''t run one set of tests and then call it a fact in your conclusion. To be accurate and announce Wes is the best, you have to compare every player.[/quote]I wonder what Doc''s statistics would look like.... [:|] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thecanaryfan 0 Posted October 12, 2009 [quote user="Slow The Bgger Down"][quote user="Thecanaryfan"] [quote user="Slow The Bgger Down"]Strange that, when you lose less, you draw and win more.[/quote]Strange indeed, whats even stranger is facts dont lie. Without Wes we would have no forward momentum. He will be invaluable this season. Favourite player by far right now.[/quote]Call me a kipper, but..... you can''t run one set of tests and then call it a fact in your conclusion. To be accurate and announce Wes is the best, you have to compare every player.[/quote]Stats create facts in football. My conclusion was based on my opinion, in my opinion is Wes is the best. My opinion is my own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
William Darby 0 Posted October 12, 2009 [quote user="Thecanaryfan"][quote user="Slow The Bgger Down"][quote user="Thecanaryfan"] [quote user="Slow The Bgger Down"]Strange that, when you lose less, you draw and win more.[/quote]Strange indeed, whats even stranger is facts dont lie. Without Wes we would have no forward momentum. He will be invaluable this season. Favourite player by far right now.[/quote]Call me a kipper, but..... you can''t run one set of tests and then call it a fact in your conclusion. To be accurate and announce Wes is the best, you have to compare every player.[/quote]Stats create facts in football. My conclusion was based on my opinion, in my opinion is Wes is the best. My opinion is my own.[/quote]I''m not saying you can''t have an opinion. I sure if Roeder had used Wes more wisely etc etc we''d have made a better fist of staying up. This season other teams are concerned about his ability by doubling up players to stop him. All I''m saying is.... well I''m not a fan of statistical facts, because you can use whatever formula you wish to draw a conclusion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I am a Banana 0 Posted October 12, 2009 will this shut up the wes haters up? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Larkin 15 Posted October 12, 2009 [quote user="I am a Banana"]will this shut up the wes haters up?[/quote]I find it hard to believe that there are any ''Wes-haters'' on here. However, there are plenty of people on here that thought we looked lop-sided, un-balanced and much easier to beat with Wes playing as a direct Huckerby replacement on the left wing. Now that Paul Lambert appears to have fixed that, what is there not to like?Of course he still dribbles a wee bit too much… of course he tries to beat his man too many times, but now that he has been given a clear role with the freedom to do what he does best, you can put up with it as he is not losing the ball in dangerous positions (as often!).If you class people that thought Wes should not be in the team as Wes-haters, then I will put my hand up. And it appears that Paul Lambert obviously thought the same thing… sort out the balance of the team, make us harder to beat, get us looking dangerous going forward… in that order!!! It is simple football management and it amazes me that so many of these supposedly professional managers fail at this very basic task.At long last we appear to have another Worthy on our hands… Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbob 0 Posted October 12, 2009 Wes is like Marmite you love him or hate him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John 0 Posted October 12, 2009 [quote user="Andy Larkin"][quote user="I am a Banana"]will this shut up the wes haters up?[/quote]I find it hard to believe that there are any ''Wes-haters'' on here. However, there are plenty of people on here that thought we looked lop-sided, un-balanced and much easier to beat with Wes playing as a direct Huckerby replacement on the left wing. Now that Paul Lambert appears to have fixed that, what is there not to like?Of course he still dribbles a wee bit too much… of course he tries to beat his man too many times, but now that he has been given a clear role with the freedom to do what he does best, you can put up with it as he is not losing the ball in dangerous positions (as often!).If you class people that thought Wes should not be in the team as Wes-haters, then I will put my hand up. And it appears that Paul Lambert obviously thought the same thing… sort out the balance of the team, make us harder to beat, get us looking dangerous going forward… in that order!!! It is simple football management and it amazes me that so many of these supposedly professional managers fail at this very basic task.At long last we appear to have another Worthy on our hands…[/quote]You need to speak to Smudger on this this subject Andy. You may be surprised (well not ''surprised'' as such, just Sumdge doing what ol'' Smudge always does....). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
