Words to strike fear in your heart

[First Wizard 0]

Or: Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water:

http://www.pinkun.com/content/pinkun/norwich-city/story.aspx?brand=PINKUNOnline&category=Norwich&tBrand=PINKUNOnline&tCategory=xDefault&itemid=NOED14%20Oct%202009%2009%3A55%3A00%3A617

Oh dear God.....not again![:''(]

[ncfcstar 342]

I sometimes forget you don''t go to the games Wiz, but then posts like this remind me! [;)] You know I am not the biggest fan of the Doc, and have been one of his biggest critics, but fair play to the guy the performances he has put in over the past few weeks make him one of the first names on the teamsheet in my opinion.  We would be worse off without him now, and I applaud his change in mind.Not many people think this, but I tell you what he is far better than Askou, who, in my opinion, is a bigger risk than the Doc ever was.

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="ncfcstar"]I sometimes forget you don''t go to the games Wiz, but then posts like this remind me! [;)] You know I am not the biggest fan of the Doc, and have been one of his biggest critics, but fair play to the guy the performances he has put in over the past few weeks make him one of the first names on the teamsheet in my opinion.  We would be worse off without him now, and I applaud his change in mind.

Not many people think this, but I tell you what he is far better than Askou, who, in my opinion, is a bigger risk than the Doc ever was.
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Regardless of anything star, I and a few others (who go to every single gaame) still see his bear hugs, fouls, ball watching and conceded free kicks.

They will be no doubt repeated live on Sky at the Leeds game!

[paul ncfc 0]

Although I do not think that Doherty is the way forward for us , I share some of the concerns over Askou, I wish he would be able to develop the ability within his game to attack the ball more and not waiting for a bounce, hopefully this is something the coaches have identified and he will improve as he is still very early in his City career.

[Gingerpele 0]

John Terry probably does the same....Chelsea don''t get rid of him..... I''m sure Doc is not the only defneder to do that kind of defending is he?

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="First Wizard"]bear hugs, fouls, ball watching and conceded free kicks.[/quote]Sounds a bit like Grant Holt.

If only Jamie Lad would do some of that he might be a decent striker!

[nutty nigel 7,902]

[quote user="First Wizard"]

Regardless of anything star, I and a few others (who go to every single gaame) still see his bear hugs, fouls, ball watching and conceded free kicks.

They will be no doubt repeated live on Sky at the Leeds game!

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Where are all these free kicks recorded Wiz[:^)]

Or are they made up ones[*-)]

Or perhaps they''re imaginary friends[*-)][8-)]

Still... you were falling behind Bly at starting threads........

 

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="lappinitup"]

[quote user="First Wizard"]bear hugs, fouls, ball watching and conceded free kicks.[/quote]Sounds a bit like Grant Holt.

 

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Err? Grant Holt Scores Lapps.[:|]

[Lord Flashheart 0]

[quote user="First Wizard"]

Or: Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water:

http://www.pinkun.com/content/pinkun/norwich-city/story.aspx?brand=PINKUNOnline&category=Norwich&tBrand=PINKUNOnline&tCategory=xDefault&itemid=NOED14%20Oct%202009%2009%3A55%3A00%3A617

Oh dear God.....not again![:''(]

[/quote]Words to strike fear into my heart: "...and Cureton steps up to take the penalty." [:|]

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="First Wizard"]

Regardless of anything star, I and a few others (who go to every single gaame) still see his bear hugs, fouls, ball watching and conceded free kicks.

They will be no doubt repeated live on Sky at the Leeds game!

[/quote]

Where are all these free kicks recorded Wiz[:^)]

 

Still... you were falling behind Bly at starting threads........

 

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1. Canaries World.

2. I''m catching up.....albeit slowly![;)]

[nutty nigel 7,902]

Well now Wiz. You have a little count up on Canaries World, I think it comes to less than two fouls a game. And then have a look at the penalties conceded and the red and yellow cards while you''re there. Then maybe go to the Football League site and see how many fouls other clubs centre backs make. And finally consider if it''s better to commit a foul or concede a goal.[;)]

Glad I''m not coming round yours for the footie[;)]

 

[John 0]

[quote user="lappinitup"]

[quote user="First Wizard"]bear hugs, fouls, ball watching and conceded free kicks.[/quote]Sounds a bit like Grant Holt.

If only Jamie Lad would do some of that he might be a decent striker!

[/quote]And if Doherty decides to stop doing it inside or around ''our'' box like Holt i''m a happy man.I know i''m going to get a lot of stick for this, but for the sake of my own sanity i honestly just want him gone. Thankyou and goodbye, that''s it. No ill will towards him, i just want him to go so we can forget the torment of watching us play in the past 3 years. The way he plays as a defender wierldy seems to encapsulate the nervy and edgy feeling i''ve felt ever since the final days of Worthy. It''s rather silly really, but i just can''t tolerate watching him around any of the opposing players.Until he goes i''ll never feel like we''ve moved on from a period of history at Norwich City that i will forever do my best to forget.

[nutty nigel 7,902]

Oh and read the whole article about what Doc was doing when the interview took place. This was typical Doc and it''s a charity that''s so close to my heart and one he has supported in the past. I met Doc had Colney a couple of years ago but he had to rush off on a charity event. He''s a top guy as well as being a solid centre back. Of course this shouldn''t and doesn''t mean that he is immune to criticism but surely he doesn''t deserve to have so many things made up to criticise him for.

 

[Robert N. LiM 6,282]

[quote user="First Wizard"][quote user="lappinitup"]

[quote user="First Wizard"]bear hugs, fouls, ball watching and conceded free kicks.[/quote]Sounds a bit like Grant Holt.

 

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Err? Grant Holt Scores Lapps.[:|]

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And the Doc helps keep them out. One goal conceded from open play since the Wycombe game, when Otsemobor lost Shelvey. The others: Burton''s header for Charlton (otsemobor''s lack of marking), Puncheon''s free-kick (foul by Adeyemi), MK Dons penalty (foul by Martin), Bristol Rovers penalty (foul by Askou).

 

 

[ncfcstar 342]

[quote user="Robert N. LiM"][quote user="First Wizard"][quote user="lappinitup"]

[quote user="First Wizard"]bear hugs, fouls, ball watching and conceded free kicks.[/quote]Sounds a bit like Grant Holt.

 

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Err? Grant Holt Scores Lapps.[:|]

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And the Doc helps keep them out. One goal conceded from open play since the Wycombe game, when Otsemobor lost Shelvey. The others: Burton''s header for Charlton (otsemobor''s lack of marking), Puncheon''s free-kick (foul by Adeyemi), MK Dons penalty (foul by Martin), Bristol Rovers penalty (foul by Askou).

 

 

[/quote]Jackson''s penalty (foul by Forster)All three of those penalties should arguably not have been given as well.

[ncfcstar 342]

[quote user="Big Bad John"][quote user="lappinitup"]

[quote user="First Wizard"]bear hugs, fouls, ball watching and conceded free kicks.[/quote]Sounds a bit like Grant Holt.

If only Jamie Lad would do some of that he might be a decent striker!

[/quote]And if Doherty decides to stop doing it inside or around ''our'' box like Holt i''m a happy man.I know i''m going to get a lot of stick for this, but for the sake of my own sanity i honestly just want him gone. Thankyou and goodbye, that''s it. No ill will towards him, i just want him to go so we can forget the torment of watching us play in the past 3 years. The way he plays as a defender wierldy seems to encapsulate the nervy and edgy feeling i''ve felt ever since the final days of Worthy. It''s rather silly really, but i just can''t tolerate watching him around any of the opposing players.Until he goes i''ll never feel like we''ve moved on from a period of history at Norwich City that i will forever do my best to forget.[/quote]Fair enough John, but I think you have to admit over the past few weeks the Doc has improved his game, and is a key player for us at the moment.

[nutty nigel 7,902]

[quote user="ncfcstar"]
Jackson''s penalty (foul by Forster)

All three of those penalties should arguably not have been given as well.
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Now Star you know full well that the only penalties that arguably should have been given are the ones conceded by our Ginger Pele. Even if they are proved to be undeserved later.

 

[blahblahblah 2]

Is Doc a "dirty" player ?  No more so than other players in his position in this league according to the football league stats.Doherty has committed 12 fouls and has 1 yellow card in 6 league game starts, and 3 sub appearances.Here are the 10 players with the most fouls conceded :  (numbers are fouls conceded, yellow and red cards, and pens conceded)

Joe Anyinsah	Carlisle	31	1	0	0
Grant Holt	Norwich City	29	3	0	0
Liam Dickinson	Brighton	27	4	0	0
Deon Burton	Charlton	25	1	0	0
Reuben Hezell	Oldham	23	0	0	0
Adam Barrett	Southend	22	0	0	0
Dwayne Mattis	Walsall	21	3	1	0
James Scowcroft	Leyton Orient	21	1	0	0
Carl Baker	Stockport	21	1	0	0
Mark Bentley	Gillingham	20	2	0	0

If you keep the numbers simple and assume that Doherty has played half the number of minutes of our top ten, then Doc would have 24 fouls, which would make him the 6th most fouling player.  I''d suggest that he would more likely be in 20-23 foul territory had he played every minute of the season, but I haven''t worked out how many minutes he''s been on the pitch...

[ron obvious 1,711]

[quote user="Big Bad John"][quote user="lappinitup"]

[quote user="First Wizard"]bear hugs, fouls, ball watching and conceded free kicks.[/quote]Sounds a bit like Grant Holt.

If only Jamie Lad would do some of that he might be a decent striker!

[/quote]And if Doherty decides to stop doing it inside or around ''our'' box like Holt i''m a happy man.I know i''m going to get a lot of stick for this, but for the sake of my own sanity i honestly just want him gone. Thankyou and goodbye, that''s it. No ill will towards him, i just want him to go so we can forget the torment of watching us play in the past 3 years. The way he plays as a defender wierldy seems to encapsulate the nervy and edgy feeling i''ve felt ever since the final days of Worthy. It''s rather silly really, but i just can''t tolerate watching him around any of the opposing players.Until he goes i''ll never feel like we''ve moved on from a period of history at Norwich City that i will forever do my best to forget.[/quote]I think you''ve hit the nail on the head there. Poor old Doc''s become a talisman of failure. He''s just so obviously there when things go wrong, looking bereft & clueless; you can see it going through his mind: "here we go again..." And the fans have cottoned on, as they always do.Not that he''s a quitter, he goes out there & takes it again. Doing his best, week in, week out. But knowing it''s inevitably all going to go mammaries up ...But he''s not a bad defender. With a decent partner alongside he can look more than competent - remember when Shacks came back last year? That went really well, until Drury got injured & Shackell had to go LB.So, like a lot of others, I still feel a touch nervous. But as the weeks go by, & the results keep coming, the butterflies are subsiding. He''s a decent, honest (too honest?) player. Let''s hope he can keep it going.Viva La Doc!!

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[quote user="nutty nigel"]

[quote user="ncfcstar"]Jackson''s penalty (foul by Forster)All three of those penalties should arguably not have been given as well.[/quote]

Now Star you know full well that the only penalties that arguably should have been given are the ones conceded by our Ginger Pele. Even if they are proved to be undeserved later.

 

[/quote]How could I forget, how silly of me! [;)]

[nutty nigel 7,902]

Blah.. you should really compare him with other defenders a lot of these are forwards. Players like Grant Holt foul a lot trying to gain an advantage. Iwan and Dion (when up top) were the same. Compare him with defenders like Kisnorbo at Leeds. Defenders who give away no free kicks would surely be more of a liability than those who use fouls as part of their armory.

 

[Mister Chops 7]

The best comparison for dear old Doc would be Boxer in Animal Farm.“We sat down and he said I wasn''t really in his plans,” said Doherty,

speaking at the launch of King''s Lynn''s annual Santa Run in aid of East

Anglia''s Children''s Hospices (EACH).EACH is a great charity and well done to Doc for getting involved and putting something back into the community.  Cue the jokes about "is he pulling the sleigh?" etc etc., but Doc has never shied away from charity work and neither has he sought to use it to big himself up.

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="First Wizard"]

Or: Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water:

http://www.pinkun.com/content/pinkun/norwich-city/story.aspx?brand=PINKUNOnline&category=Norwich&tBrand=PINKUNOnline&tCategory=xDefault&itemid=NOED14%20Oct%202009%2009%3A55%3A00%3A617

Oh dear God.....not again![:''(]

[/quote]So what would be your first choice back 4?

[Houston Canary 0]

[quote user="blahblahblah"]Is Doc a "dirty" player ?  No more so than other players in his position in this league according to the football league stats.

Doherty has committed 12 fouls and has 1 yellow card in 6 league game starts, and 3 sub appearances.

Here are the 10 players with the most fouls conceded :  (numbers are fouls conceded, yellow and red cards, and pens conceded)

Joe Anyinsah	Carlisle	31	1	0	0
Grant Holt	Norwich City	29	3	0	0
Liam Dickinson	Brighton	27	4	0	0
Deon Burton	Charlton	25	1	0	0
Reuben Hezell	Oldham	23	0	0	0
Adam Barrett	Southend	22	0	0	0
Dwayne Mattis	Walsall	21	3	1	0
James Scowcroft	Leyton Orient	21	1	0	0
Carl Baker	Stockport	21	1	0	0
Mark Bentley	Gillingham	20	2	0	0

If you keep the numbers simple and assume that Doherty has played half the number of minutes of our top ten, then Doc would have 24 fouls, which would make him the 6th most fouling player.  I''d suggest that he would more likely be in 20-23 foul territory had he played every minute of the season, but I haven''t worked out how many minutes he''s been on the pitch...


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How many games has Eeyore played in, though?

I think it is safe to say, based on the way he has played the last few games, he has found his level of football.  Too bad it took 2 relegations for that to happen.

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="First Wizard"]

Or: Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water:

http://www.pinkun.com/content/pinkun/norwich-city/story.aspx?brand=PINKUNOnline&category=Norwich&tBrand=PINKUNOnline&tCategory=xDefault&itemid=NOED14%20Oct%202009%2009%3A55%3A00%3A617

Oh dear God.....not again![:''(]

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So what would be your first choice back 4?

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Spillaine and Nelson back in for a start.........hang on, I''ll make it more simpler.............Doc shipped out!!

[Time to go Delia 0]

Doc staying

Doc staying = cheaper option than upping the bid for Seaborne .

[blahblahblah 2]

Houston - 6 league games, and 3 sub appearances.  It was in my previous post, with all the other facts, which I found on the football league site in the hope that we could have some kind of pros and cons, mature conversation about the Doc.   I guess you skim-read my post so that you could get straight into your copy and paste, mind already made, vitriolic response, based on what - half a dozen games on Fox soccer Channel over 5 seasons, and the less thought out posts of some people in here ?  Hope you enjoyed spewing forth your vitriol ! [:)]...

[blahblahblah 2]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

Blah.. you should really compare him with other defenders a lot of these are forwards. Players like Grant Holt foul a lot trying to gain an advantage. Iwan and Dion (when up top) were the same. Compare him with defenders like Kisnorbo at Leeds. Defenders who give away no free kicks would surely be more of a liability than those who use fouls as part of their armory.[/quote]

Oh, now I feel foolish.  I thought I was comparing the Doc like for like, but hadn''t checked the positions of the players he was up against.  On that basis then, he is a dirty defender at this level.  But he has conceded no penalties so far, and only had 1 yellow card.  Would that make him a clever dirty player nigel ?  Our clever dirty player ? [;)]

[ncfcstar 342]

[quote user="First Wizard"][quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="First Wizard"]

Or: Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water:

http://www.pinkun.com/content/pinkun/norwich-city/story.aspx?brand=PINKUNOnline&category=Norwich&tBrand=PINKUNOnline&tCategory=xDefault&itemid=NOED14%20Oct%202009%2009%3A55%3A00%3A617

Oh dear God.....not again![:''(]

[/quote]So what would be your first choice back 4?[/quote]

Spillaine and Nelson back in for a start.........hang on, I''ll make it more simpler.............Doc shipped out!!

[/quote]Not a chance, Nelson is a poor mans Doc at best.  They are pretty much exactly the same style, but, I am not afraid to say it, the Doc is actually a better footballer!  Nelson is just the League One/Two version!

[Big Slob 0]

[quote user="First Wizard"][quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="First Wizard"]

Or: Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water:

http://www.pinkun.com/content/pinkun/norwich-city/story.aspx?brand=PINKUNOnline&category=Norwich&tBrand=PINKUNOnline&tCategory=xDefault&itemid=NOED14%20Oct%202009%2009%3A55%3A00%3A617

Oh dear God.....not again![:''(]

[/quote]So what would be your first choice back 4?[/quote]

Spillaine and Nelson back in for a start.........hang on, I''ll make it more simpler.............Doc shipped out!!

[/quote]Stop making yourself look like such a fool, anybody who has been to matches this season (obviously not you) will much prefer to have Doc than Nelson. Plus i''m not sure if you''ve noticed but Spillane and Nelson are both out injured.