newcastle uni canary 0 Posted October 15, 2009 he has been playing well recently but he clearly has a technical problem why doesn''t lambert spend time adressing this problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blahblahblah 2 Posted October 15, 2009 [quote user="Chris Martins Barmy Army"]he has been playing well recently but he clearly has a technical problem why doesn''t lambert spend time adressing this problem. [/quote]Seriously, what is his problem ? Or what is your problem ? He does the same thing that I see Premiership footballers do week in, week out, but because it''s Doc everyone piles on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJP 79 Posted October 15, 2009 [quote user="blahblahblah"][quote user="Chris Martins Barmy Army"]he has been playing well recently but he clearly has a technical problem why doesn''t lambert spend time adressing this problem. [/quote]Seriously, what is his problem ? Or what is your problem ? He does the same thing that I see Premiership footballers do week in, week out, but because it''s Doc everyone piles on.[/quote]To be fair I think you''re missing the point.Gary Doherty is the only defender that makes any physical contact with the opposition and is the only defender that gives away fouls.How have you not realised that yet?Every other defender in the land wins the ball without so much as breathing on another player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blahblahblah 2 Posted October 15, 2009 [quote user="GJP"][quote user="blahblahblah"][quote user="Chris Martins Barmy Army"]he has been playing well recently but he clearly has a technical problem why doesn''t lambert spend time adressing this problem. [/quote]Seriously, what is his problem ? Or what is your problem ? He does the same thing that I see Premiership footballers do week in, week out, but because it''s Doc everyone piles on.[/quote]To be fair I think you''re missing the point.Gary Doherty is the only defender that makes any physical contact with the opposition and is the only defender that gives away fouls.How have you not realised that yet?Every other defender in the land wins the ball without so much as breathing on another player.[/quote]I think that''s irony. Isn''t it ? Go on, tell me it''s irony. Please ? [:)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJP 79 Posted October 15, 2009 [quote user="blahblahblah"][quote user="GJP"][quote user="blahblahblah"][quote user="Chris Martins Barmy Army"]he has been playing well recently but he clearly has a technical problem why doesn''t lambert spend time adressing this problem. [/quote]Seriously, what is his problem ? Or what is your problem ? He does the same thing that I see Premiership footballers do week in, week out, but because it''s Doc everyone piles on.[/quote]To be fair I think you''re missing the point.Gary Doherty is the only defender that makes any physical contact with the opposition and is the only defender that gives away fouls.How have you not realised that yet?Every other defender in the land wins the ball without so much as breathing on another player.[/quote]I think that''s irony. Isn''t it ? Go on, tell me it''s irony. Please ? [:)][/quote]No, no. I think if you go by a lot of the posts/comments on here you''ll find it''s "fact". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mazy Run 0 Posted October 15, 2009 Well I think it''s a good question. The problem might not be unique to him, but he does have a problem - those bear hugs are clumsy, unnecessary and asking to be penalised. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beauseant 0 Posted October 15, 2009 [quote user="Chris Martins Barmy Army"]he has been playing well recently but he clearly has a technical problem why doesn''t lambert spend time adressing this problem. [/quote] Now and again I read a post so mindblowingly daft that I have to do a double take.This is such a post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CambridgeCanary 0 Posted October 15, 2009 If his fouling is in a public place then i think he should be fined £100 and forced to clean it up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
G 0 Posted October 15, 2009 I think it has. He has been doing it far less now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Submarine 0 Posted October 15, 2009 Brilliant response CC! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron obvious 1,473 Posted October 15, 2009 [quote user="CambridgeCanary"]If his fouling is in a public place then i think he should be fined £100 and forced to clean it up[/quote]Surely it''s the owner''s fault?I''ve just had a mental image of Delia running round the pitch behind him with a pooper -scooper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
if I promise to behave 0 Posted October 15, 2009 I think you''ll find that''s a menial image. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Lamberts Disciple 0 Posted October 15, 2009 I doubt coaching may be able to help. This is Doc''s game, which plays to his strengths as much as being born from his weaknesses.As we know Doc is not the quickest centre back (ok, who is at this level), but especially so on the turn. As a result when confonted with a pacy or light footed attacker, he knows he simply cannot be turned and wriggled away from, so (logically) utilises his strength and resorts to the bear hug. This can concede a foul.Secondly Doc can easily be caught out of position (ok, who doesn''t at this level.) This would be ok if he was quicker and could get back in the right place. Instead, where it appears no other defender is able to cover (for being out of position, as well, most likely) he decides to opt for the desperate lunge. This can concede a foul.Personally, one incident like the bear hug on the very edge of Carlisle''s box last week is unacceptable, but I accept he''s the best we''ve currently got. Regardless, if we can recruit in that area I say we still need to get rid as quick as humanly possible. The guy is a liability. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blahblahblah 2 Posted October 15, 2009 [quote]Personally, one incident like the bear hug on the very edge ofCarlisle''s box last week is unacceptable, but I accept he''s the bestwe''ve currently got. Regardless, if we can recruit in that area I saywe still need to get rid as quick as humanly possible. The guy is a liability.[/quote]The reality of the situation is that we have played 450 minutes and conceded 1 goal. That being a penalty. I really don''t see where the problem is.Are you really saying that if Doc is the best we have, and that he is a liability, that all our defenders are liabilities, to be rid of as quick as hoomanly possible ?I''m glad it''s Lambert doing the team talks... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack Flash 13 Posted October 15, 2009 Obviously you don''t attend the matches then. If 12 fouls in 6 matches is considered bad, then you should have been at Carrow Rd in the 60''s and 70''s - Big Dunc could do 12 in a game, no prob, and he was still a hero. Doc is OK by me, and its about time we put this very old, unnecessary grudge to one side and support a team that is at last playing some decent stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yelloow Since 72 53 Posted October 15, 2009 I agree Flash, as this is getting tedious. As the BBC commentator pointed out, it isn''t helped by strikers backing in to push defenders off the ball. Other refs could have called it the other way. Doc''s doing all right IMO. OTBC! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mook 0 Posted October 15, 2009 [quote user="Chris Martins Barmy Army"]he has been playing well recently but he clearly has a technical problem why doesn''t lambert spend time adressing this problem. [/quote]Two words.....1. JAMIE2. CARRAGHER Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newcastle uni canary 0 Posted October 15, 2009 [quote user="Mook"][quote user="Chris Martins Barmy Army"]he has been playing well recently but he clearly has a technical problem why doesn''t lambert spend time adressing this problem. [/quote]Two words.....1. JAMIE2. CARRAGHER[/quote]three more words1 purple2 flange3 helicopterexplain yourself man Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dronny Canary 0 Posted October 15, 2009 "he has been playing well recently but he clearly has a technical problem why doesn''t lambert spend time adressing this problem." Do you really believe that Lambert and Culverhouse are not aware enough to see Doc''s weaknesses and smart enough to do something about them? Perhaps his improved form since coming back into the team are an indication that any problems are already being addressed. I agree that he does have some problems but so do most of the players on the team of one sort or another, especially the defenders. What puzzles me is why some people are so obsessed by Doherty and so blind to the mistakes of many of his colleagues. Doc has cornered the market with his clumsy oaf impersonation but some of his colleagues are less effective at times in a far less obtrusive way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mook 0 Posted October 15, 2009 [quote user="Chris Martins Barmy Army"][quote user="Mook"][quote user="Chris Martins Barmy Army"]he has been playing well recently but he clearly has a technical problem why doesn''t lambert spend time adressing this problem. [/quote]Two words.....1. JAMIE2. CARRAGHER[/quote]three more words1 purple2 flange3 helicopterexplain yourself man[/quote]Seriously? Ok. Here comes the science bit....Jamie Carragher fouls, grapples, kicks, pulls at and is always outpaced by his opponents. A lot of his "best" fouling is done inside the area, but luckily he plays for a massive team and we all know how the penalty decisions go in those scenarios. Funnily enough, playing in a brilliant team, alongside brilliant players keeps the pressure off him and means that he is rarely exposed. When he is, he does not look good.I will grant you that his leadership is FAR superior to the Doc, who is not a leader by any stretch. But ask yourself this:why has nobody "addressed" Carragher''s technical problem? Or John Terry''s? Or Malky Mackay''s? Or Steve Bruce''s? Or Nemanja Vidic''s? Because physical defending is NOT actually a technical problem until the defender is exposed. And in good teams, they rarely are.In really bad teams, however, teams with lightweight midfielders that don''t get tight, teams with no organisation, teams with poor fullbacks, teams low on confidence, teams with dodgy goalkeepers (you see what I''m getting at here? I''m talking about Norwich 2006-2009) a physical defender is left exposed consistently.I was going to keep this post short. Damn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yobocop 1,083 Posted October 16, 2009 [quote user="Mook"][quote user="Chris Martins Barmy Army"][quote user="Mook"][quote user="Chris Martins Barmy Army"]he has been playing well recently but he clearly has a technical problem why doesn''t lambert spend time adressing this problem. [/quote]Two words.....1. JAMIE2. CARRAGHER[/quote]three more words1 purple2 flange3 helicopterexplain yourself man[/quote]Seriously? Ok. Here comes the science bit....Jamie Carragher fouls, grapples, kicks, pulls at and is always outpaced by his opponents. A lot of his "best" fouling is done inside the area, but luckily he plays for a massive team and we all know how the penalty decisions go in those scenarios. Funnily enough, playing in a brilliant team, alongside brilliant players keeps the pressure off him and means that he is rarely exposed. When he is, he does not look good.I will grant you that his leadership is FAR superior to the Doc, who is not a leader by any stretch. But ask yourself this:why has nobody "addressed" Carragher''s technical problem? Or John Terry''s? Or Malky Mackay''s? Or Steve Bruce''s? Or Nemanja Vidic''s? Because physical defending is NOT actually a technical problem until the defender is exposed. And in good teams, they rarely are.In really bad teams, however, teams with lightweight midfielders that don''t get tight, teams with no organisation, teams with poor fullbacks, teams low on confidence, teams with dodgy goalkeepers (you see what I''m getting at here? I''m talking about Norwich 2006-2009) a physical defender is left exposed consistently.I was going to keep this post short. Damn.[/quote]couldn''t of put it better myself! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KenBrown 0 Posted October 16, 2009 OK, I will tell PL to flick the switch in GingeSortedSimples Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
if I promise to behave 0 Posted October 16, 2009 Mook,Thank you for the ''science'' bit. Sometimes this Board is really informative; and this is great for those of us who have a great passion for but little technical understanding of the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lambo 0 Posted October 16, 2009 Doc''s a physical player, always has been, While it does worry me sometimes I can also understand it can get to a striker and put them off their game.This question kinda reminds me of a few idiot Man United fans asking why Fergie hasn''t curbed Wayne Rooney''s temper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,352 Posted October 16, 2009 Why is the not giving free kicks against Doherty problem not addressed[:^)] Referees continually ignore Norwich fans who believe free kicks should be given against their team for Doherty''s continual fouling. The refereeing standard is appalling and Keith Hackett should be made aware of this and address it forthwith.[:O] We don''t want an FA investigation at a later date. We wouldn''t want to get promotion only to find we had points deducted later because of referees. We need this sorted now[;)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camuldonum 0 Posted October 16, 2009 I definitely think Doherty should be replaced by Nelson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barclay seats 4849 0 Posted October 17, 2009 [quote user="Camuldonum"]I definitely think Doherty should be replaced by Nelson.[/quote]Why ?????? Because we are about to catch and pass your team in the league ?? There can be no other reason ,,,,Nelson is utterly incompetent.....don;t tell me ai must be missing something , I have aseason ticket , Barclay, 3 rows back from the right centreback position, I am able to watch very closely just how bad he is !!!!!!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron obvious 1,473 Posted October 17, 2009 [quote user="barclay seats 48 49 "][quote user="Camuldonum"]I definitely think Doherty should be replaced by Nelson.[/quote]Why ?????? Because we are about to catch and pass your team in the league ?? There can be no other reason ,,,,Nelson is utterly incompetent.....don;t tell me ai must be missing something , I have aseason ticket , Barclay, 3 rows back from the right centreback position, I am able to watch very closely just how bad he is !!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]Ermm... I think you answered your question in the first sentence. Cam being a bit ironic, methinks (hint: read his previous comments). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,265 Posted October 17, 2009 Mr G Doherty,Bear Huggin'' Central Defender,Norwich City Football Club,Carrow Road, Norwich,Norfolk.NR1 1JE.Dear Gary, Please stop bear huggin'' !Yours sincerely, A concerned supporter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron obvious 1,473 Posted October 17, 2009 [quote user="Mello Yello"] Mr G Doherty, Bear Huggin'' Central Defender, Norwich City Football Club, Carrow Road, Norwich, Norfolk. NR1 1JE. Dear Gary,                 Please stop bear huggin'' ! Yours sincerely, A concerned supporter.  [/quote]That is so NOT a disincentive!!Now off to the nearest fancy-dress hire shop ........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites