Adie Boothroyd or Paul Lambert ?

[Snoots 0]

What a great job Adie Boothroyd is doing at Colchester. Unbeaten since 1st September, 4th from the top, 6 points ahead of Norwich and team spirit apparently at an all time high. Who would you rather have ? What qualities does Boothroyd have that Lambert doesn''t ?

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Who cares ?  We''ve got Lambert.

[ryan1992 0]

lambo anyday

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="blahblahblah"]Who cares ?  We''ve got Lambert.
[/quote]But Bob hasn''t forgiven Lambert for replacing Gunn so let''s try a swipe from a different angle.

[Snoots 0]

[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="blahblahblah"]Who cares ?  We''ve got Lambert.
[/quote]But Bob hasn''t forgiven Lambert for replacing Gunn so let''s try a swipe from a different angle.[/quote]

Nope. That''s not the case. I think it''s an interesting comparison for obvious reasons.

[TheGoogler 604]

Which is the more impressive; a manager who comes in, brings a number of his own players in and goes on an impressive run of form, or the person who comes in, motivates and organises a group of players who, quite frankly, have not looked motivated or organised for a number of years, let alone months and goes on an impressive run of form. I know which one I''d choose. No. 2 - who is also Paul Lambert. And let''s not forget the basis on which No. 1 is having his success - a team built by Lambert.

[Syteanric 1]

Boothroyds just doing what he did at Watford.. taking someone elses team and making them punch above their weight... wait till he''s given his own money and allowed to dismantle it all....

the blokes a joke of a manager! and next season (Or even after January) at Col U will prove it. he''s gone from Premiership to league 1 in just a few years for 1.

[Puzzy magnet 0]

So Bob,

Would you rather have Boothroyd or Gunny [our worst manager ever] in charge?

[Shack Attack 0]

I''m not really sure what point you''re trying to make here Bob. We were eight points behind Colchester when Lambert took over and we are now six pints behind with a game in hand. So you could equally ask what qualities does Lambert have that Boothroyd doesn''t? With any luck it will be down to three after tonight. If Colchester''s team spirit is "apparently at an all time high" how do you think ours is matching up?

[Beauseant 0]

[quote user="Bob Franklin"]What a great job Adie Boothroyd is doing at Colchester. Unbeaten since 1st September, 4th from the top, 6 points ahead of Norwich and team spirit apparently at an all time high. Who would you rather have ? What qualities does Boothroyd have that Lambert doesn''t ?[/quote]

 

The "quality" is the fact that he took over a team who were already flying, having been assembled by Lambert, whereas Lambert had to take on an unfit, disorganised shambles that was in the wrong half of the table and going nowhere fast. I appreciate your real agenda, but trying to suggest that a meaningful comparison is possible at this point really stretches credulity to its limits.

[Lambo 0]

Paul Lambert''s as good as got two of his teams in the top 6 of the league this year. Lambert all day, night, week, month & year.

[Snoots 0]

Googler said : Which is the more impressive; a manager who comes in, brings a number of his own players in and goes on an impressive run of form, or the person who comes in, motivates and organises a group of players who, quite frankly, have not looked motivated or organised for a number of years, let alone months and goes on an impressive run of form. I know which one I''d choose. No. 2 - who is also Paul Lambert. And let''s not forget the basis on which No. 1 is having his success - a team built by Lambert. (quote)

Ah, interesting. How can the group of players only recently assembled by Gunn "not have looked motivated for years".

You''ve got it wrong because unfortunately like so many on here you are blinkered. It''s the "we''re doing well so who cares" mentality of the herd. The team built by Lambert was Colchester although Boothroyd did indeed bring in some of his own choice players. The team that Lambert is enjoying success with and apparently being awared the credit for is Gunn''s team. The team that Gunn built is a great blend of youth and experience, ability and solidity - no wonder Lambert is reaping the benefits of Gunn''s decisions and choices over the summer.

And, what a load of old bol lox about Lambert''s motivation of the players. How many times does it need to be said : Gunn brought in players such as Grant and Hughes, Gunn refused to sell Hoolahan and as a result caused a rift between himself and the Board, Gunn was the manager who gave the academy players their chance, Gunn had an incredibly successful pre -season (when did we last have such a successful pre-season ?) and only days after the one-off against Colchester, Gunn had the motivational ability to re-group his players and inspire them to score 4 goals away at Yeovil and concede zero.

I had hoped for a discussion about the pros and cons of Lambert and Boothroyd but all too predictably the thread degenerated into a let''s have another side swipe at Gunn.

[Have Heart 0]

[quote user="Bob Franklin"]What a great job Adie Boothroyd is doing at Colchester. Unbeaten since 1st September, 4th from the top, 6 points ahead of Norwich and team spirit apparently at an all time high. Who would you rather have ? What qualities does Boothroyd have that Lambert doesn''t ?[/quote]

You should have engaged your brain before posting this thread.

Lambert any day over Boothroyd

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="Have Heart"]You should have engaged your brain before posting this thread.[/quote]He did. He''s got another Bryan Gunn thread going without mentioning his name. Clever![;)]

[Lambo 0]

[quote user="Bob Franklin"]Googler said : Which is the more impressive; a manager who comes in, brings a number of his own players in and goes on an impressive run of form, or the person who comes in, motivates and organises a group of players who, quite frankly, have not looked motivated or organised for a number of years, let alone months and goes on an impressive run of form. I know which one I''d choose. No. 2 - who is also Paul Lambert. And let''s not forget the basis on which No. 1 is having his success - a team built by Lambert. (quote) Ah, interesting. How can the group of players only recently assembled by Gunn "not have looked motivated for years". You''ve got it wrong because unfortunately like so many on here you are blinkered. It''s the "we''re doing well so who cares" mentality of the herd. The team built by Lambert was Colchester although Boothroyd did indeed bring in some of his own choice players. The team that Lambert is enjoying success with and apparently being awared the credit for is Gunn''s team. The team that Gunn built is a great blend of youth and experience, ability and solidity - no wonder Lambert is reaping the benefits of Gunn''s decisions and choices over the summer. And, what a load of old bol lox about Lambert''s motivation of the players. How many times does it need to be said : Gunn brought in players such as Grant and Hughes, Gunn refused to sell Hoolahan and as a result caused a rift between himself and the Board, Gunn was the manager who gave the academy players their chance, Gunn had an incredibly successful pre -season (when did we last have such a successful pre-season ?) and only days after the one-off against Colchester, Gunn had the motivational ability to re-group his players and inspire them to score 4 goals away at Yeovil and concede zero. I had hoped for a discussion about the pros and cons of Lambert and Boothroyd but all too predictably the thread degenerated into a let''s have another side swipe at Gunn.[/quote]

 

Gunn had no motivational skill, no clue when to make a substitution, costing us a vital win at home to Southampton to name just one example.

Gunn had 19 games in charge at this club and failed to make the players turn up in 3 absoloutly vital games, Reading at home, Charlton away then Colchester.

Gunn signed 3 players that have been first team regulars, yes he feilded Smith in his first couple games but it''s under Lambert the lad is really starting to shine.

Gunny was a decent scout, nothing more or less and i''m someone who was very much behind Gunn during his tenure here.

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[quote user="Bob Franklin"]Googler said : Which is the more impressive; a manager who comes in, brings a number of his own players in and goes on an impressive run of form, or the person who comes in, motivates and organises a group of players who, quite frankly, have not looked motivated or organised for a number of years, let alone months and goes on an impressive run of form. I know which one I''d choose. No. 2 - who is also Paul Lambert. And let''s not forget the basis on which No. 1 is having his success - a team built by Lambert. (quote) Ah, interesting. How can the group of players only recently assembled by Gunn "not have looked motivated for years". You''ve got it wrong because unfortunately like so many on here you are blinkered. It''s the "we''re doing well so who cares" mentality of the herd. The team built by Lambert was Colchester although Boothroyd did indeed bring in some of his own choice players. The team that Lambert is enjoying success with and apparently being awared the credit for is Gunn''s team. The team that Gunn built is a great blend of youth and experience, ability and solidity - no wonder Lambert is reaping the benefits of Gunn''s decisions and choices over the summer. And, what a load of old bol lox about Lambert''s motivation of the players. How many times does it need to be said : Gunn brought in players such as Grant and Hughes, Gunn refused to sell Hoolahan and as a result caused a rift between himself and the Board, Gunn was the manager who gave the academy players their chance, Gunn had an incredibly successful pre -season (when did we last have such a successful pre-season ?) and only days after the one-off against Colchester, Gunn had the motivational ability to re-group his players and inspire them to score 4 goals away at Yeovil and concede zero. I had hoped for a discussion about the pros and cons of Lambert and Boothroyd but all too predictably the thread degenerated into a let''s have another side swipe at Gunn.[/quote]

I think you''ll find it wasn''t Gunn''s team that played at Yeovil but Butterworth''s. As I understand it, Gunn wanted to field the same team that lost against Colchester, Butterworth disagreed, verbals ensued and the board backed Butterworth''s team selection. The rest is history and been much discussed already so I won''t repeat it again.

That aside, Lambert has motivated a team bought by, amongst others, Gunn. The team is not solely made up of Gunn acquisitions - Doc, Drury, Semi, - to name a few. Lambert has also changed the style of play to incorporate certain players, not been afraid to drop players who haven''t been doing well, then bring them back to give them another opportunity.

Yes though Gunn started bringing the youngsters through, Lambert has continued with them because they can play. He has also introduced more Academy lads because they show the potential needed to succeed in a City shirt.

Boothroyd is a manager I like but his methods are not suited to City''s first team.

 

[Matt Morriss 69]

[quote user="TheGoogler"]Which is the more impressive; a manager who comes in, brings a number of his own players in and goes on an impressive run of form, or the person who comes in, motivates and organises a group of players who, quite frankly, have not looked motivated or organised for a number of years, let alone months and goes on an impressive run of form. I know which one I''d choose. No. 2 - who is also Paul Lambert. And let''s not forget the basis on which No. 1 is having his success - a team built by Lambert. [/quote]Spot on.The facts are that Boothroyd inherited a team that Lambert built, that thrashed us and were top of the league. So in actual fact hasnt Boothroyd taken them down a spot or 2 if there now 4th? Whereas we were bottom of the league when Lambert took over and were now 6th.

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"Days after a one off at Colchester"

Bob this is drivel, this one off followed the last one off at Charlton and the one off''s before it towards the end of last season Correct ?. Gunns record at city was dire, the Colchester game highlighted everything that was wrong with his appointment. I sometimes wonder whether you really believe what you are writing at times.

[Matt Morriss 69]

Lamberts biggest decision is bringing in Korey Smith.On his first game in charge, the Wycombe game i think we were all shocked when he played Lappin and McVeigh, but i was most shocked by the inclusion of Smith and lo and behold he had a stormer and has quite simply has been a revelation since.Its a decision like this that convinced me we had got the right man.

[Robert N. LiM 6,273]

[quote user="Bob Franklin"]The team that Lambert is enjoying success with and apparently being awared the credit for is Gunn''s team. The team that Gunn built is a great blend of youth and experience, ability and solidity - no wonder Lambert is reaping the benefits of Gunn''s decisions and choices over the summer. And, what a load of old bol lox about Lambert''s motivation of the players. How many times does it need to be said : Gunn brought in players such as Grant and Hughes, Gunn refused to sell Hoolahan and as a result caused a rift between himself and the Board, Gunn was the manager who gave the academy players their chance, Gunn had an incredibly successful pre -season (when did we last have such a successful pre-season ?) and only days after the one-off against Colchester, Gunn had the motivational ability to re-group his players and inspire them to score 4 goals away at Yeovil and concede zero. I had hoped for a discussion about the pros and cons of Lambert and Boothroyd but all too predictably the thread degenerated into a let''s have another side swipe at Gunn.[/quote]

 

But it''s not Gunn''s team, is it, Bob? Gunn made ten signings in the summer. Only Holt and Askou have featured regularly in the first team, while Hughes also looks like an excellent player. Theoklitos has been a disaster, Tudur Jones, Gill and Whaley (admittedly on the evidence of just a few matches) look way off the pace and Nelson looked like a lower-league clogger in the games of his I saw. At the moment Lambert is relying on players such as Korey Smith, Micky Spillane and Chris Martin, who are all excellent young players but, if Gunn had bought well, would be on the bench. It is just what Lambert has done with the shambles of a squad he inherited that has impressed us.

And I''m afraid your hidden agenda on this post was clear for all to see: this was clearly aimed at suggesting that Lambert''s success was based on Gunn''s foundations. I have no idea what sort of job Boothroyd has done at Colchester but I would assume it''s a pretty good one, having taken over a team who were doing pretty well already. But contrary to what you say, Lambert inherited a total shambles and - so far - has done astonishingly well in turning it around. I fear as the season goes on that our threadbare squad will find it hard to keep this run going, but until he has a chance in January to get some better players in, we will have to continue muddling through.

As well you knew, it is impossible to choose between them, but given that Lambert''s turned round a club in crisis and Boothroyd inherited a team doing very well, Lambert''s job seems the more impressive. I would have been happy with Boothroyd in charge - both he and Lambert are proper football managers, while Gunn was a well-meaning amateur.

Finally, give it up with the ''one-off'' result against Colchester. Our previous competitive game was the ''one-off'' against Charlton. Gunn won 4 out of his league games in charge, and at no point looked like he knew what he was doing. If it had truly been a one-off, either he would not have been sacked or the fans would have been up in arms.

[Matt Morriss 69]

[quote user="norfolkchance1"]"Days after a one off at Colchester"

Bob this is drivel, this one off followed the last one off at Charlton and the one off''s before it towards the end of last season Correct ?. Gunns record at city was dire, the Colchester game highlighted everything that was wrong with his appointment. I sometimes wonder whether you really believe what you are writing at times.[/quote]Norfolk you simply cant take seriously the opinion of anyone who believes Gunn''s sacking was a mistake.Its obvious to anyone with half a footballing brain that Gunn wasnt up to the task. Nice man yes but the facts are that he just didnt have the credentials to manage a football club.

[norfolkchance1 0]

Agreed Barclayman

[Yellow Rose of Texas 0]

Ah, interesting. How can the group of players only recently assembled by Gunn "not have looked motivated for years".

You''ve got it wrong because unfortunately like so many on here you are blinkered.

I had hoped for a discussion about the pros and cons of Lambert and Boothroyd but all too predictably the thread degenerated into a let''s have another side swipe at Gunn. "

No Bob, you did that - but care to tell us WHY Boothroyd is a better manager?

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As for Boothroyd or Lambert, Boothroyd started from a far better position with a team full of confidence whereas we were rock bottom, that took an immense amount of man management and confidence building from Lambert and his team. This in my opinion was very impressive.

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I am bored of you Bob, you continue to spout the same drivel day in day out.

[Beauseant 0]

[quote user="Yellow Rose of Texas"]

 No Bob, you did that - but care to tell us WHY Boothroyd is a better manager?

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That''s easy. It''s because he didn''t replace Bob''s hero[;)]

[Shack Attack 0]

Sadly Bob had previous when it came to an obsession with Norwich based heroes

What a mentalist [;)]

[The Fish Seller 0]

Hey Bob have you read the piece about Fotheringham and what he said about Gunn yet? Seems that freezing out players wasn''t just a Roeder trait after all, Fozzy disagreed with Gunn and was never picked again. One wonders if Fozzy was the only one?

BTW top quality post Shack Attack!! [Y]

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[quote user="Beauseant"]

[quote user="Bob Franklin"]What a great job Adie Boothroyd is doing at Colchester. Unbeaten since 1st September, 4th from the top, 6 points ahead of Norwich and team spirit apparently at an all time high. Who would you rather have ? What qualities does Boothroyd have that Lambert doesn''t ?[/quote]

 

The "quality" is the fact that he took over a team who were already flying, having been assembled by Lambert, whereas Lambert had to take on an unfit, disorganised shambles that was in the wrong half of the table and going nowhere fast. I appreciate your real agenda, but trying to suggest that a meaningful comparison is possible at this point really stretches credulity to its limits.

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What a load of  hyperbole - in other words complete bol lox. "Colchester "flying", Norwich "unfit, disorganised shambles", "going nowhere fast" - Your post is so biased it really isn''t worth discussing but I am forced to remind you yet again that under Gunn major progress was made : players who no longer wanted to stay or Gunn didn''t want were cleared out, players such as Holt and Hughes were brought in, Hoolahan retained despite Gunn being told to sell him, and Norwich had their best pre-season in very many years . The big mistake that Gunn made was bringing in Theoklitis and playing him against Colchester. However, Gunn quickly rectified that mistake a few days later and played Alnwick (another excellent player that Gunn brought in) at Yeovil. The team  was so well re-grouped and reorganised that zero goals were conceded and 4 were scored in a second half in which Hoolahan (a player that Lambert decided to make an example of by leaving out of crucial league games when points could have been gained - talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face) and Hughes featured in a scintillating period of attacking football the likes of which I hadn''t seen from Norwich in years - you should know because you said that you were there too. you really ought to take off your blinkers. Your adulation of Lambert is only equalled by your dogmatic and unthinking dislike of Gunn. Frankly, it''s pathetic.

[The Butler 0]

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