McVeigh - Useful squad player or waste of space??

[Captain Holt 520]

Well said sgncfc. Best post on this thread....

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Who would all those who say that McVeigh is a waste of space be playing in his position for our 2nd String tonight, or would those clueless few play the same 11 for every league game of the season and every cup game also???  [:^)]

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[quote user="sgncfc"][quote user="NCFC_Shaun"]

[quote user="Fellas"]This is why I can''t wait for the band-wagon fans to get bored and find a new play thing. You go to Carrow Road these days and half of the fans there don''t have a clue about anything. They think Daydream believer is a nice pick-me-up before the game, that Wes Hoolahan (or insert other name here) is the most talented player to ever play for the club and that Iwan Roberts was a player who scored a few goals a long time ago.McVeigh is the most talented player (maybe minus Dean Ashton, Thomas Helveg and maybe maybe Huckerby) to have played at this club in the past decade. He''s an old bor now, not so quick (he never was a fast player) but he has more skill and talent in one pinky than Hoolahan does in that left peg of his. I like Hoolahan I think he''s a good player, one for the future and a good talent but I''m under no illusions he''s never going to be as good as McVeigh. He''ll never be able to play completely out of position (like McVeigh), play with his weaker foot, be the top goal-scorer for this club, be a great corner kick taker or acheive the same heights at the club that McVeigh has.So in answer to this thread, anybody who dare say McVeigh is a waste of space not only insults him as a player, Paul Lambert as a manager who can actually assess good talent, but also the fine pleasure it was to be a city supporter watching Iwan, WLY, Holt, Francis, Huckerby and Crouch put teams to the sword those seasons ago. McVeigh aint the quickest, the fittest or in his prime but nobody at the club now, or in the foreseeable future will be able to pick out the perfect pass time and time again like this lad. [/quote]

Very true. McVeigh was a class act back then when we reached the playoff final and won the league two years later. But I wouldn''t say that he still posseses more ability than Hoolahan. However, I agree that he''s far from a ''waste of space'' - and if only for his achievements for us in the past, he doesn''t deserved to be called one.

As for Daydream believer, I actually like that being played again. Reminds me of the days that we were a decent championship side [;)]

[/quote] What a load of utter tosh. I can only assume your mention of Thomas Helveg in the same sentence as Ashton and Huckerby is the clue that this is a wind up. I too loved WLY way back, as I did Fox, Sutton, Paddon, Peters, Eadie etc but to say he has more talent than Hoolahan is simply nonsense. Huckerby was twice the player McVeigh ever was and I can''t believe you are serious. McVeigh is no longer good enough for League One - he was released by a relegated Luton, not because he cost too much money but because they thought he couldn''t cut it, yet Mr Gunn, solely for sentimental reasons saw fit to give him a contract because he impressed in training. You are right that Lambert is no fool and McVeigh will not feature in the first team squad once he has put together his own. I love him for what he did but he is now, unfortunately, a waste of space. Why not give Mulryne a contract too? - he was also a decent player for us once.[/quote]So Hoolahan has played in the premiership? He''s played for a successful team in the championship? Hmmm... He is 27 and has yet to get anywhere near the a mid-championship team, I feel that speaks volumes about his ceiling. Hoolahan has skill, but if you can''t even the touch the ball with your weak foot then not only are you gonna struggle to achieve a good level but you simply are a bit of a lazy professional footballer. Why does he beat his man over and over again? Because he''s waiting to be able to play the ball with his left foot and unwilling to play the ball with his right foot.As to your attack on McVeigh, well I feel for you because you can''t enjoy watching football that much. Pre-season and in his recall to the team McVeigh rolled back the years to a good extent. He has a superb touch, great vision, and a fantastic set-piece and cross, all of this after being out of the game for a while, playing out of position and well past his prime and playing in a completely new team. So a few laboured performances were on the cards. Quite frankly I love watching good football, and McVeigh provides that in a league of hoofers, hackers and bodge players we see in league 1.Whilst Daley is still not quite there yet, Whaley seemingly un-settled here and a lack of real other options out right except an out-of-position Martin (or Smith), a lot to ask of young fragile players (see Jarvis etc), then I can see us relying on McVeigh for some hefty minutes. So less of the boo-boys, scape-goat dirt.

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[quote user="Fellas"][quote user="sgncfc"][quote user="NCFC_Shaun"]

[quote user="Fellas"]This is why I can''t wait for the band-wagon fans to get bored and find a new play thing. You go to Carrow Road these days and half of the fans there don''t have a clue about anything. They think Daydream believer is a nice pick-me-up before the game, that Wes Hoolahan (or insert other name here) is the most talented player to ever play for the club and that Iwan Roberts was a player who scored a few goals a long time ago.

McVeigh is the most talented player (maybe minus Dean Ashton, Thomas Helveg and maybe maybe Huckerby) to have played at this club in the past decade. He''s an old bor now, not so quick (he never was a fast player) but he has more skill and talent in one pinky than Hoolahan does in that left peg of his. I like Hoolahan I think he''s a good player, one for the future and a good talent but I''m under no illusions he''s never going to be as good as McVeigh. He''ll never be able to play completely out of position (like McVeigh), play with his weaker foot, be the top goal-scorer for this club, be a great corner kick taker or acheive the same heights at the club that McVeigh has.

So in answer to this thread, anybody who dare say McVeigh is a waste of space not only insults him as a player, Paul Lambert as a manager who can actually assess good talent, but also the fine pleasure it was to be a city supporter watching Iwan, WLY, Holt, Francis, Huckerby and Crouch put teams to the sword those seasons ago.

McVeigh aint the quickest, the fittest or in his prime but nobody at the club now, or in the foreseeable future will be able to pick out the perfect pass time and time again like this lad.
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Very true. McVeigh was a class act back then when we reached the playoff final and won the league two years later. But I wouldn''t say that he still posseses more ability than Hoolahan. However, I agree that he''s far from a ''waste of space'' - and if only for his achievements for us in the past, he doesn''t deserved to be called one.

As for Daydream believer, I actually like that being played again. Reminds me of the days that we were a decent championship side [;)]

[/quote] What a load of utter tosh. I can only assume your mention of Thomas Helveg in the same sentence as Ashton and Huckerby is the clue that this is a wind up. I too loved WLY way back, as I did Fox, Sutton, Paddon, Peters, Eadie etc but to say he has more talent than Hoolahan is simply nonsense. Huckerby was twice the player McVeigh ever was and I can''t believe you are serious. McVeigh is no longer good enough for League One - he was released by a relegated Luton, not because he cost too much money but because they thought he couldn''t cut it, yet Mr Gunn, solely for sentimental reasons saw fit to give him a contract because he impressed in training. You are right that Lambert is no fool and McVeigh will not feature in the first team squad once he has put together his own. I love him for what he did but he is now, unfortunately, a waste of space. Why not give Mulryne a contract too? - he was also a decent player for us once.[/quote]

So Hoolahan has played in the premiership? He''s played for a successful team in the championship? Hmmm... He is 27 and has yet to get anywhere near the a mid-championship team, I feel that speaks volumes about his ceiling. Hoolahan has skill, but if you can''t even the touch the ball with your weak foot then not only are you gonna struggle to achieve a good level but you simply are a bit of a lazy professional footballer. Why does he beat his man over and over again? Because he''s waiting to be able to play the ball with his left foot and unwilling to play the ball with his right foot.

As to your attack on McVeigh, well I feel for you because you can''t enjoy watching football that much. Pre-season and in his recall to the team McVeigh rolled back the years to a good extent. He has a superb touch, great vision, and a fantastic set-piece and cross, all of this after being out of the game for a while, playing out of position and well past his prime and playing in a completely new team. So a few laboured performances were on the cards. Quite frankly I love watching good football, and McVeigh provides that in a league of hoofers, hackers and bodge players we see in league 1.

Whilst Daley is still not quite there yet, Whaley seemingly un-settled here and a lack of real other options out right except an out-of-position Martin (or Smith), a lot to ask of young fragile players (see Jarvis etc), then I can see us relying on McVeigh for some hefty minutes. So less of the boo-boys, scape-goat dirt.
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Wow! You have some issues, Fellas! "Boo-boys, scape-goat dirt?" What the hell is that about?

[Buncey 1]

[quote user="sgncfc"][quote user="Fellas"][quote user="sgncfc"][quote user="NCFC_Shaun"]

[quote user="Fellas"]This is why I can''t wait for the band-wagon fans to get bored and find a new play thing. You go to Carrow Road these days and half of the fans there don''t have a clue about anything. They think Daydream believer is a nice pick-me-up before the game, that Wes Hoolahan (or insert other name here) is the most talented player to ever play for the club and that Iwan Roberts was a player who scored a few goals a long time ago.McVeigh is the most talented player (maybe minus Dean Ashton, Thomas Helveg and maybe maybe Huckerby) to have played at this club in the past decade. He''s an old bor now, not so quick (he never was a fast player) but he has more skill and talent in one pinky than Hoolahan does in that left peg of his. I like Hoolahan I think he''s a good player, one for the future and a good talent but I''m under no illusions he''s never going to be as good as McVeigh. He''ll never be able to play completely out of position (like McVeigh), play with his weaker foot, be the top goal-scorer for this club, be a great corner kick taker or acheive the same heights at the club that McVeigh has.So in answer to this thread, anybody who dare say McVeigh is a waste of space not only insults him as a player, Paul Lambert as a manager who can actually assess good talent, but also the fine pleasure it was to be a city supporter watching Iwan, WLY, Holt, Francis, Huckerby and Crouch put teams to the sword those seasons ago. McVeigh aint the quickest, the fittest or in his prime but nobody at the club now, or in the foreseeable future will be able to pick out the perfect pass time and time again like this lad. [/quote]

Very true. McVeigh was a class act back then when we reached the playoff final and won the league two years later. But I wouldn''t say that he still posseses more ability than Hoolahan. However, I agree that he''s far from a ''waste of space'' - and if only for his achievements for us in the past, he doesn''t deserved to be called one.

As for Daydream believer, I actually like that being played again. Reminds me of the days that we were a decent championship side [;)]

[/quote] What a load of utter tosh. I can only assume your mention of Thomas Helveg in the same sentence as Ashton and Huckerby is the clue that this is a wind up. I too loved WLY way back, as I did Fox, Sutton, Paddon, Peters, Eadie etc but to say he has more talent than Hoolahan is simply nonsense. Huckerby was twice the player McVeigh ever was and I can''t believe you are serious. McVeigh is no longer good enough for League One - he was released by a relegated Luton, not because he cost too much money but because they thought he couldn''t cut it, yet Mr Gunn, solely for sentimental reasons saw fit to give him a contract because he impressed in training. You are right that Lambert is no fool and McVeigh will not feature in the first team squad once he has put together his own. I love him for what he did but he is now, unfortunately, a waste of space. Why not give Mulryne a contract too? - he was also a decent player for us once.[/quote]So Hoolahan has played in the premiership? He''s played for a successful team in the championship? Hmmm... He is 27 and has yet to get anywhere near the a mid-championship team, I feel that speaks volumes about his ceiling. Hoolahan has skill, but if you can''t even the touch the ball with your weak foot then not only are you gonna struggle to achieve a good level but you simply are a bit of a lazy professional footballer. Why does he beat his man over and over again? Because he''s waiting to be able to play the ball with his left foot and unwilling to play the ball with his right foot.As to your attack on McVeigh, well I feel for you because you can''t enjoy watching football that much. Pre-season and in his recall to the team McVeigh rolled back the years to a good extent. He has a superb touch, great vision, and a fantastic set-piece and cross, all of this after being out of the game for a while, playing out of position and well past his prime and playing in a completely new team. So a few laboured performances were on the cards. Quite frankly I love watching good football, and McVeigh provides that in a league of hoofers, hackers and bodge players we see in league 1.Whilst Daley is still not quite there yet, Whaley seemingly un-settled here and a lack of real other options out right except an out-of-position Martin (or Smith), a lot to ask of young fragile players (see Jarvis etc), then I can see us relying on McVeigh for some hefty minutes. So less of the boo-boys, scape-goat dirt.[/quote]

Wow! You have some issues, Fellas! "Boo-boys, scape-goat dirt?" What the hell is that about?

[/quote]Well dodged... Considering Doc has made a strong comeback, Cureton is scoring and semmy isn''t in the team, we''ve gotta lay into somebody haven''t we?

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[quote user="Fellas"][quote user="sgncfc"][quote user="Fellas"][quote user="sgncfc"][quote user="NCFC_Shaun"]

[quote user="Fellas"]This is why I can''t wait for the band-wagon fans to get bored and find a new play thing. You go to Carrow Road these days and half of the fans there don''t have a clue about anything. They think Daydream believer is a nice pick-me-up before the game, that Wes Hoolahan (or insert other name here) is the most talented player to ever play for the club and that Iwan Roberts was a player who scored a few goals a long time ago.

McVeigh is the most talented player (maybe minus Dean Ashton, Thomas Helveg and maybe maybe Huckerby) to have played at this club in the past decade. He''s an old bor now, not so quick (he never was a fast player) but he has more skill and talent in one pinky than Hoolahan does in that left peg of his. I like Hoolahan I think he''s a good player, one for the future and a good talent but I''m under no illusions he''s never going to be as good as McVeigh. He''ll never be able to play completely out of position (like McVeigh), play with his weaker foot, be the top goal-scorer for this club, be a great corner kick taker or acheive the same heights at the club that McVeigh has.

So in answer to this thread, anybody who dare say McVeigh is a waste of space not only insults him as a player, Paul Lambert as a manager who can actually assess good talent, but also the fine pleasure it was to be a city supporter watching Iwan, WLY, Holt, Francis, Huckerby and Crouch put teams to the sword those seasons ago.

McVeigh aint the quickest, the fittest or in his prime but nobody at the club now, or in the foreseeable future will be able to pick out the perfect pass time and time again like this lad.
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Very true. McVeigh was a class act back then when we reached the playoff final and won the league two years later. But I wouldn''t say that he still posseses more ability than Hoolahan. However, I agree that he''s far from a ''waste of space'' - and if only for his achievements for us in the past, he doesn''t deserved to be called one.

As for Daydream believer, I actually like that being played again. Reminds me of the days that we were a decent championship side [;)]

[/quote] What a load of utter tosh. I can only assume your mention of Thomas Helveg in the same sentence as Ashton and Huckerby is the clue that this is a wind up. I too loved WLY way back, as I did Fox, Sutton, Paddon, Peters, Eadie etc but to say he has more talent than Hoolahan is simply nonsense. Huckerby was twice the player McVeigh ever was and I can''t believe you are serious. McVeigh is no longer good enough for League One - he was released by a relegated Luton, not because he cost too much money but because they thought he couldn''t cut it, yet Mr Gunn, solely for sentimental reasons saw fit to give him a contract because he impressed in training. You are right that Lambert is no fool and McVeigh will not feature in the first team squad once he has put together his own. I love him for what he did but he is now, unfortunately, a waste of space. Why not give Mulryne a contract too? - he was also a decent player for us once.[/quote]

So Hoolahan has played in the premiership? He''s played for a successful team in the championship? Hmmm... He is 27 and has yet to get anywhere near the a mid-championship team, I feel that speaks volumes about his ceiling. Hoolahan has skill, but if you can''t even the touch the ball with your weak foot then not only are you gonna struggle to achieve a good level but you simply are a bit of a lazy professional footballer. Why does he beat his man over and over again? Because he''s waiting to be able to play the ball with his left foot and unwilling to play the ball with his right foot.

As to your attack on McVeigh, well I feel for you because you can''t enjoy watching football that much. Pre-season and in his recall to the team McVeigh rolled back the years to a good extent. He has a superb touch, great vision, and a fantastic set-piece and cross, all of this after being out of the game for a while, playing out of position and well past his prime and playing in a completely new team. So a few laboured performances were on the cards. Quite frankly I love watching good football, and McVeigh provides that in a league of hoofers, hackers and bodge players we see in league 1.

Whilst Daley is still not quite there yet, Whaley seemingly un-settled here and a lack of real other options out right except an out-of-position Martin (or Smith), a lot to ask of young fragile players (see Jarvis etc), then I can see us relying on McVeigh for some hefty minutes. So less of the boo-boys, scape-goat dirt.
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Wow! You have some issues, Fellas! "Boo-boys, scape-goat dirt?" What the hell is that about?

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Well dodged...

Considering Doc has made a strong comeback, Cureton is scoring and semmy isn''t in the team, we''ve gotta lay into somebody haven''t we?
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Well said, Fellas, I am in complete agreement with you. This isn''t the first anti - McVeigh  thread on here, some people just aren''t happy that we''ve won 3 games in a row for the first time in years (when was the last time anyway?!) and feel that obviously Lambert''s selection policy is flawed as results haven''t been good enough! It really is unbelievable.

Paul McVeigh may not be quite the player he was and maybe he isn''t having the best spell of form at the moment but he still warrants a place in the matchday squad as he brings class and experience, ie something a bit different from many of our players. If you asked Huckerby, Safri and Etuhu (our midfield back when we were high champs standard) their opinions on WLY you would hear some very high praise indeed - Etuhu actually said that McVeigh was ''one of the best players he''d ever seen'' and Hucks himself reportedly had a part to play in WLY''s return to Carrow Rd this time round.

Let''s just enjoy the fact that no-one is to blame for once as everything is going right for a change!