Sin bin

[pete_norw 0]

We hear now that they are looking at introduceing this into our game, as far as I''m concerned if a ref deems fit to send someone off, Then that is what it should be, (OFF) not go and sit on the naughty step for afew minutes, Why do we let these people tell us how to play and run the rule book, correct me if I''m wrong but does this sinbin idea come from American sports. Who invented this boody game anyway

[BroadstairsR 0]

Games would be disrupted with constant disputes if this came in.

There''s enough argument and dissent for a sending off these days, without this half-way measure giving another excuse for a mini riot.

Imagine Sir Alex Funguson''s reaction every time Rooney was sin-binned.

Is it intended to replace sendings off? Or the yellow card? or what?

[First Jedi 0]

"Who invented this boody game anyway"

You did?! Blimey! I never realised I was in such vaunted company!

[pete_norw 0]

[quote user="First Jedi"]"Who invented this boody game anyway" You did?! Blimey! I never realised I was in such vaunted company![/quote]

I was refering to the old saying,

they say jump we say how High, We don''t know how to say No   

[First Jedi 0]

"they say jump we say how High, We don''t know how to say No"

Who''s "we"? And what haven''t we said "no" to in the past, while jumping to the tune of... who''s tune are "we" jumping to again? Sorry - I''m confused as to the point you are making...

[ncfcstar 342]

Personally I think this is an absolutely brilliant idea.  It works very well in rugby, and would be the perfect chance to cut dissent out of the game.  There would be problems to begin with, but once the whole system had set in I believe it would work.  If you knew that if you complained to the ref too much you would end up with 10 minutes on the sideline then you would have to control yourself, so what is the problem in bringing it in?

[ncfcstar 342]

[quote user="ncfcstar"]Personally I think this is an absolutely brilliant idea.  It works very well in rugby, and would be the perfect chance to cut dissent out of the game.  There would be problems to begin with, but once the whole system had set in I believe it would work.  If you knew that if you complained to the ref too much you would end up with 10 minutes on the sideline then you would have to control yourself, so what is the problem in bringing it in?[/quote]And of course you''d still have sendings off, but the sin-bin could be used as a kind of half way house I guess.

[pete_norw 0]

[quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="ncfcstar"]Personally I think this is an absolutely brilliant idea.  It works very well in rugby, and would be the perfect chance to cut dissent out of the game.  There would be problems to begin with, but once the whole system had set in I believe it would work.  If you knew that if you complained to the ref too much you would end up with 10 minutes on the sideline then you would have to control yourself, so what is the problem in bringing it in?
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And of course you''d still have sendings off, but the sin-bin could be used as a kind of half way house I guess.
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No sorry IMO the whole idea of this stinks, it is takeing the British out of football, we will be calling it Soccor next

[William Darby 0]

[quote user="ncfcstar"]Personally I think this is an absolutely brilliant idea.  It works very well in rugby, and would be the perfect chance to cut dissent out of the game.  There would be problems to begin with, but once the whole system had set in I believe it would work.  If you knew that if you complained to the ref too much you would end up with 10 minutes on the sideline then you would have to control yourself, so what is the problem in bringing it in?[/quote]Here is the problem,  Rugby dissent on the whole is very small, and the sin bin mops it up during a game.  Football has a culture of constant whining and complaining,  you''d have games where players are running off and on  all match.  What is needed is refs to be told to punish any hint of dissent of complaint with an instant yellow card.  After a couple of matches the players would soon get the message,  the same applies to managers.

[First Jedi 0]

"No sorry IMO the whole idea of this stinks, it is takeing the British out of football, we will be calling it Soccor next"

What "British" is there in the international game off football? Seriously... go back to your Daily Mail, and whinge about the polish, please!

[ncfcstar 342]

[quote user="pete_norw"]

[quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="ncfcstar"]Personally I think this is an absolutely brilliant idea.  It works very well in rugby, and would be the perfect chance to cut dissent out of the game.  There would be problems to begin with, but once the whole system had set in I believe it would work.  If you knew that if you complained to the ref too much you would end up with 10 minutes on the sideline then you would have to control yourself, so what is the problem in bringing it in?[/quote]And of course you''d still have sendings off, but the sin-bin could be used as a kind of half way house I guess.[/quote]

No sorry IMO the whole idea of this stinks, it is takeing the British out of football, we will be calling it Soccor next

[/quote]What do you mean taking the British out of football???  If that is the case then shall we get rid of yellow and red cards as well?  I''m sure this isn''t an American directive and will either come from UEFA or FIFA.  I think it would work, I mean who would have thought they would put two extra linesmen in?  Why not keep an open mind and see how it works in trial games, because I think it would be a benefit.

[pete_norw 0]

[quote user="Slow The B*gger Down"][quote user="ncfcstar"]Personally I think this is an absolutely brilliant idea.  It works very well in rugby, and would be the perfect chance to cut dissent out of the game.  There would be problems to begin with, but once the whole system had set in I believe it would work.  If you knew that if you complained to the ref too much you would end up with 10 minutes on the sideline then you would have to control yourself, so what is the problem in bringing it in?
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Here is the problem,  Rugby dissent on the whole is very small, and the sin bin mops it up during a game.  Football has a culture of constant whining and complaining,  you''d have games where players are running off and on  all match. 

What is needed is refs to be told to punish any hint of dissent of complaint with an instant yellow card.  After a couple of matches the players would soon get the message,  the same applies to managers.

Yes agreed, No little warning chats,and don''t do it again lark, card out straight away. end of dissent,  

[ncfcstar 342]

[quote user="Slow The Bgger Down"][quote user="ncfcstar"]Personally I think this is an absolutely brilliant idea.  It works very well in rugby, and would be the perfect chance to cut dissent out of the game.  There would be problems to begin with, but once the whole system had set in I believe it would work.  If you knew that if you complained to the ref too much you would end up with 10 minutes on the sideline then you would have to control yourself, so what is the problem in bringing it in?[/quote]Here is the problem,  Rugby dissent on the whole is very small, and the sin bin mops it up during a game.  Football has a culture of constant whining and complaining,  you''d have games where players are running off and on  all match.  What is needed is refs to be told to punish any hint of dissent of complaint with an instant yellow card.  After a couple of matches the players would soon get the message,  the same applies to managers.[/quote]Agreed, but surely the sin-bin would do the same as what you suggest doing with yellow cards, eventually everyone would get the message.  Rugby players still moan, you hear it all the time, but once they overstep the line that is it.  The sin-bin could be used for a variety of different things as well, for example a player who stopped a clear goalscoring opportunity but was not the last man, stick him in the sin-bin for 10 minutes.

[Wings of a Sparrow 1,708]

Wouldn''t the biggest problem be the referee keeping his eye on the 10 minutes along with everything else he''s being asked to do, or does someone else keep an eye on the time. I can''t see this happening - football will be no fun with all this de-sterilisation going on.

[ncfcstar 342]

[quote user="Wings of a sparrow"]Wouldn''t the biggest problem be the referee keeping his eye on the 10 minutes along with everything else he''s being asked to do, or does someone else keep an eye on the time. I can''t see this happening - football will be no fun with all this de-sterilisation going on.[/quote]Perfect chance for the 4th official to do something isn''t it, they are all mic-ed up, so as soon as the 10 mins are up the 4th official lets the ref know.

[Mook 0]

[quote user="pete_norw"]

[quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="ncfcstar"]Personally I think this is an absolutely brilliant idea.  It works very well in rugby, and would be the perfect chance to cut dissent out of the game.  There would be problems to begin with, but once the whole system had set in I believe it would work.  If you knew that if you complained to the ref too much you would end up with 10 minutes on the sideline then you would have to control yourself, so what is the problem in bringing it in?[/quote]And of course you''d still have sendings off, but the sin-bin could be used as a kind of half way house I guess.[/quote]

No sorry IMO the whole idea of this stinks, it is takeing the British out of football, we will be calling it Soccor next

[/quote]They come over here, take our jobs......Give it a rest.

[pete_norw 0]

[quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="pete_norw"]

[quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="ncfcstar"]Personally I think this is an absolutely brilliant idea.  It works very well in rugby, and would be the perfect chance to cut dissent out of the game.  There would be problems to begin with, but once the whole system had set in I believe it would work.  If you knew that if you complained to the ref too much you would end up with 10 minutes on the sideline then you would have to control yourself, so what is the problem in bringing it in?
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And of course you''d still have sendings off, but the sin-bin could be used as a kind of half way house I guess.
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No sorry IMO the whole idea of this stinks, it is takeing the British out of football, we will be calling it Soccor next

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What do you mean taking the British out of football???  If that is the case then shall we get rid of yellow and red cards as well?  I''m sure this isn''t an American directive and will either come from UEFA or FIFA.  I think it would work, I mean who would have thought they would put two extra linesmen in?  Why not keep an open mind and see how it works in trial games, because I think it would be a benefit.
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Well it''s an opinion everyone is entitled, you have your''s,  I have mine, 

[First Jedi 0]

I don''t what''s more insulting to Britain... the idea of sin bin''s or pete_norw bastardisations of the language, spelling and grammar.

(Que my own post being riddled with mistakes I don''t spot... I know the drill!)

[William Darby 0]

[quote user="First Jedi"]I don''t what''s more insulting to Britain... the idea of sin bin''s or pete_norw bastardisations of the language, spelling and grammar.

(Que my own post being riddled with mistakes I don''t spot... I know the drill!)[/quote]

[pete_norw 0]

 

Thats what I like about this site, an opinion can be turned into an English and spelling lesson, with some bright spark and his dictionary on his hip, Hooray for these people where woud we be without them  

[Simon Lappin, King Of Spain 0]

[quote user="BroadstairsR"]Games would be disrupted with constant disputes if this came in. There''s enough argument and dissent for a sending off these days, without this half-way measure giving another excuse for a mini riot. Imagine Sir Alex Funguson''s reaction every time Rooney was sin-binned. Is it intended to replace sendings off? Or the yellow card? or what?[/quote]

 

Yes let''s be dictated too by that autocrat and his bunch of spoilt whingeing players! 

[pete_norw 0]

[quote user="pete_norw"]

 

Thats what I like about this site, an opinion can be turned into an English and spelling lesson, with some bright spark and his dictionary on his hip, Hooray for these people where woud we be without them  

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So sorry, I missed the L out of Would, it won''t happen again  

[William Darby 0]

[quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="Slow The Bgger Down"][quote user="ncfcstar"]Personally I think this is an absolutely brilliant idea.  It works very well in rugby, and would be the perfect chance to cut dissent out of the game.  There would be problems to begin with, but once the whole system had set in I believe it would work.  If you knew that if you complained to the ref too much you would end up with 10 minutes on the sideline then you would have to control yourself, so what is the problem in bringing it in?[/quote]Here is the problem,  Rugby dissent on the whole is very small, and the sin bin mops it up during a game.  Football has a culture of constant whining and complaining,  you''d have games where players are running off and on  all match.  What is needed is refs to be told to punish any hint of dissent of complaint with an instant yellow card.  After a couple of matches the players would soon get the message,  the same applies to managers.[/quote]Agreed, but surely the sin-bin would do the same as what you suggest doing with yellow cards, eventually everyone would get the message.  Rugby players still moan, you hear it all the time, but once they overstep the line that is it.  The sin-bin could be used for a variety of different things as well, for example a player who stopped a clear goalscoring opportunity but was not the last man, stick him in the sin-bin for 10 minutes.[/quote]I''m saying it''s a bad idea for the sake of it.  In principle it''s a step forward to try and ''clean'' the game up.  I''m just of the opinion that refs should get tougher with the yellows and reds,  and be consistent.  For an example,  I remember Matty Svensson getting booked for throwing a tuft of grass to the ground in despair while the likes of Rooney obviously mouthing f*** to the ref (on TV) and nothing is done.  

[William Darby 0]

[quote user="pete_norw"]

 

Thats what I like about this site, an opinion can be turned into an English and spelling lesson, with some bright spark and his dictionary on his hip, Hooray for these people where woud we be without them  

[/quote]IN THE SIN BIN MATE[;)]

[First Jedi 0]

"Thats what I like about this site, an opinion can be turned into an English and spelling lesson, with some bright spark and his dictionary on his hip, Hooray for these people where woud we be without them "

That''s what I like about this site, how a simple simple rule change suggestion can be turned into xenophobic anti-foreign bu11shit with some bright spark and his self-persecution on his hip. Hoorary for these people, where would the Daily Mail be without them.

[Hucka Hucka Huckerby 0]

First Jedi, you really are annoying! Why is it not OK for people to air their point of view here? If they do not want this American-ised crap brought into British football, its their perogative? I certainly don''t want it & if I did want to watch a start/stop game, I''d watch ''American'' football!

[ncfcstar 342]

[quote user="Slow The Bgger Down"][quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="Slow The Bgger Down"][quote user="ncfcstar"]Personally I think this is an absolutely brilliant idea.  It works very well in rugby, and would be the perfect chance to cut dissent out of the game.  There would be problems to begin with, but once the whole system had set in I believe it would work.  If you knew that if you complained to the ref too much you would end up with 10 minutes on the sideline then you would have to control yourself, so what is the problem in bringing it in?[/quote]Here is the problem,  Rugby dissent on the whole is very small, and the sin bin mops it up during a game.  Football has a culture of constant whining and complaining,  you''d have games where players are running off and on  all match.  What is needed is refs to be told to punish any hint of dissent of complaint with an instant yellow card.  After a couple of matches the players would soon get the message,  the same applies to managers.[/quote]Agreed, but surely the sin-bin would do the same as what you suggest doing with yellow cards, eventually everyone would get the message.  Rugby players still moan, you hear it all the time, but once they overstep the line that is it.  The sin-bin could be used for a variety of different things as well, for example a player who stopped a clear goalscoring opportunity but was not the last man, stick him in the sin-bin for 10 minutes.[/quote]I''m saying it''s a bad idea for the sake of it.  In principle it''s a step forward to try and ''clean'' the game up.  I''m just of the opinion that refs should get tougher with the yellows and reds,  and be consistent.  For an example,  I remember Matty Svensson getting booked for throwing a tuft of grass to the ground in despair while the likes of Rooney obviously mouthing f*** to the ref (on TV) and nothing is done.   [/quote]Fair enough, I''m not going to disagree about the consistency.  My fear is that there will never be a time that a ref will be consistent, and that is the nature of human error.  My personal opinion is that a sin-bin would work if applied correctly, but in all honesty I don''t think it will ever happen.

[William Darby 0]

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First Jedi, you really are annoying! Why is it not OK for people to air their point of view here? If they do not want this American-ised crap brought into British football, its their perogative? I certainly don''t want it & if I did want to watch a start/stop game, I''d watch ''American'' football!

[/quote]I''m not too keen on Americanisms myself.  Using ''bunch'' for every collective noun, pronouncing schedule with a ''sked'',  etc etc.  But on this occasions I''m not too sure whether the sin bin is and Americanisation any way.

[William Darby 0]

[quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="Slow The Bgger Down"][quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="Slow The Bgger Down"][quote user="ncfcstar"]Personally I think this is an absolutely brilliant idea.  It works very well in rugby, and would be the perfect chance to cut dissent out of the game.  There would be problems to begin with, but once the whole system had set in I believe it would work.  If you knew that if you complained to the ref too much you would end up with 10 minutes on the sideline then you would have to control yourself, so what is the problem in bringing it in?[/quote]Here is the problem,  Rugby dissent on the whole is very small, and the sin bin mops it up during a game.  Football has a culture of constant whining and complaining,  you''d have games where players are running off and on  all match.  What is needed is refs to be told to punish any hint of dissent of complaint with an instant yellow card.  After a couple of matches the players would soon get the message,  the same applies to managers.[/quote]Agreed, but surely the sin-bin would do the same as what you suggest doing with yellow cards, eventually everyone would get the message.  Rugby players still moan, you hear it all the time, but once they overstep the line that is it.  The sin-bin could be used for a variety of different things as well, for example a player who stopped a clear goalscoring opportunity but was not the last man, stick him in the sin-bin for 10 minutes.[/quote]I''m saying it''s a bad idea for the sake of it.  In principle it''s a step forward to try and ''clean'' the game up.  I''m just of the opinion that refs should get tougher with the yellows and reds,  and be consistent.  For an example,  I remember Matty Svensson getting booked for throwing a tuft of grass to the ground in despair while the likes of Rooney obviously mouthing f*** to the ref (on TV) and nothing is done.   [/quote]Fair enough, I''m not going to disagree about the consistency.  My fear is that there will never be a time that a ref will be consistent, and that is the nature of human error.  My personal opinion is that a sin-bin would work if applied correctly, but in all honesty I don''t think it will ever happen.[/quote]That''s fair enough, I suppose when the back pass rule came in, there were old farts like me having 40 fits.  As it turned out it was arguable the best rule change ever.

[Simon Lappin, King Of Spain 0]

[quote user="pete_norw"]

[quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="ncfcstar"]Personally I think this is an absolutely brilliant idea.  It works very well in rugby, and would be the perfect chance to cut dissent out of the game.  There would be problems to begin with, but once the whole system had set in I believe it would work.  If you knew that if you complained to the ref too much you would end up with 10 minutes on the sideline then you would have to control yourself, so what is the problem in bringing it in?
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And of course you''d still have sendings off, but the sin-bin could be used as a kind of half way house I guess.
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No sorry IMO the whole idea of this stinks, it is takeing the British out of football, we will be calling it Soccor next

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Don''t really understanding the link you''re making between sin binning and "British" being taking out of football, have you been secretly canvassing the opinions of every fan, player and manager in the country (or a representative sample thereof) to find out what they feel about this hypothetical addition to the rules? therefore have the evidence available to surmise that the "power''s that be" are riding roughshod over every stakeholder in the game? OR is it in fact that this is your own personal opinion and if so please explain exactly how you deduced that thre is a connection between these factors because from my viewpoint the link between them is spurious at best. Anyway the only mainstream sport that I can think of other than Rugby which uses Sinbinning is Ice Hockey and that was invented by the Canadians.

I have another potentially revolutionary idea; how about we wait and see how exactly this proposal is going to be implemented before making sweeping statements about how it''s going to ruin the game and the country''s going to the dogs.