Hoolhan & Lambert

[Dean Coneys boots 1,531]

Lambert played Hoolahan when he came in. He is rumoured to be leaving at the end of the transfer window, then it does not happen. Then he is not even picked.....

 

....Surely the board have made a gentleman''s agreement and when the loan window opens he will be gone. If so it might not be Lambert freezing him out but unable to use him...so cut him some slack. It is what makes the most sense this end

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Lambert played Hoolahan when he came in. He is rumoured to be leaving at the end of the transfer window, then it does not happen. Then he is not even picked.....

 

....Surely the board have made a gentleman''s agreement and when the loan window opens he will be gone. If so it might not be Lambert freezing him out but unable to use him...so cut him some slack. It is what makes the most sense this end

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The loan window''s open.

[Jimbo_Jet_Set 0]

Surely the fact that clubs are not exactly beating a path to our door to sign him should tell you something about what he adds to a side

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="Jimbo_Jet_Set"]Surely the fact that clubs are not exactly beating a path to our door to sign him should tell you something about what he adds to a side[/quote]

Nail hit ruddy firmly on head![Y]

[3canaries 0]

Does anyone know how many games Hoolahan has played, it maybe the fact after, say 50 games, we have to pay a further fee to Blackpool. Maybe that''s the reason he is not being picked??

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[quote user="Jimbo_Jet_Set"]Surely the fact that clubs are not exactly beating a path to our door to sign him should tell you something about what he adds to a side[/quote]

Nail hit ruddy firmly on head![Y]

[/quote]He is the one bit of talent in a squad full of utter dross .

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[quote user="Freebie City F.C."][quote user="First Wizard"]

[quote user="Jimbo_Jet_Set"]Surely the fact that clubs are not exactly beating a path to our door to sign him should tell you something about what he adds to a side[/quote]

Nail hit ruddy firmly on head![Y]

[/quote]He is the one bit of talent in a squad full of utter dross .
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Not saying (or am even sure myself) whether I agree or disagree but do you want to answer the question; i.e. why haven''t other clubs been beating our door down for him?

[nutty nigel 7,894]

To be fair we don''t know if they has or hasn''t been any interest. People just seem to assume that if a player they don''t like doesn''t move then it''s because nobody is interested. That''s just so typical of this board. There could be a lot of reasons why. Footballers are young men with families. They don''t have to go anywhere they don''t want to go. Only when a players contract is up, and he is not offered another by his club, would you really know if nobody else wanted them.

 

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I don''t really agree with you here iro Hoolahan, NN, I think that given the way that he is quite obviously not in Lambert''s plans he would be on loan or sold by now if anyone (decent) was after him.

Of course we can''t be certain but he doesn''t strike me as the type of player that would be happy to languish in the reserves at a club. Like I say, it''s all guesswork but that''s the feeling I get. Personally, I think it''s appalling that he isn''t even getting on our bench with his obvious talent but, as someone else has mentioned, Lambert appears to favour a more solid formation than one in which players of Hoolahan''s ilk are allowed free reign.     

[nutty nigel 7,894]

I''m not sure MaccyD. Hoolahan (and Doherty) were seemingly in Lamberts plans up to the Hartlepool game just before the transfer window closed. The loan window opened less than a week ago. There may have been offers for both players but they may not be ones the players want. If a player is being frozen out by his club he will certainly not consider what''s best for that club while he waits for a move that''s best for him and his family.

 

[macdougalls perm 0]

That''s all fair comment NN; guess we''ll just have to wait and see - must say that I am pretty disappointed that we don''t seem to be able to use a player of Hoolahan''s quality. 

[nutty nigel 7,894]

I am too but I guess there''s so many things to consider and Lambert has to manage his squad to get the best from the money he has available. But to be honest I don''t think Lambert has actually ever said he has discarded anyone, it''s just what we read into his team selections. It is difficult to imagine another explaination though.

 

 

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I am too but I guess there''s so many things to consider and Lambert has to manage his squad to get the best from the money he has available. But to be honest I don''t think Lambert has actually ever said he has discarded anyone, it''s just what we read into his team selections. It is difficult to imagine another explaination though.

 

 

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Completely agreed! Most of what is being ranted over on this board is generally speculation presented as fact; I quite often think that those actually in the know must have a bloody good chuckle when they read half the tripe and ''conspiracy theories'' plastered on here on a daily basis [:D] 

As you say it is difficult to imagine a more plausible explanation but it could be as simple as Lambert wanting more ''predictable'' players who stick to formations whilst he tries to steady our ship.  

[ron obvious 1,710]

[quote user="macdougalls perm"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

I am too but I guess there''s so many things to consider and Lambert has to manage his squad to get the best from the money he has available. But to be honest I don''t think Lambert has actually ever said he has discarded anyone, it''s just what we read into his team selections. It is difficult to imagine another explaination though.

 

 

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Completely agreed! Most of what is being ranted over on this board is generally speculation presented as fact; I quite often think that those actually in the know must have a bloody good chuckle when they read half the tripe and ''conspiracy theories'' plastered on here on a daily basis [:D] 

As you say it is difficult to imagine a more plausible explanation but it could be as simple as Lambert wanting more ''predictable'' players who stick to formations whilst he tries to steady our ship.  

[/quote]That''s my opinion too. I don''t think it''s anything personal, just that with the shambles he inherited, Lambert had to get some structure back in the team. It would be nice to think that, if he can get the rest of the team settled & solid, he could bring him back at a later stage. Won''t be holding my breath, though.

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[quote user="Jimbo_Jet_Set"]Surely the fact that clubs are not exactly beating a path to our door to sign him should tell you something about what he adds to a side[/quote]

Nail hit ruddy firmly on head![Y]

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Again exactly right Jimbo... [Y]

Isn''t it funny how not one manager appears to have put in an offer for either of our two unwanted talents???

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[quote user="nutty nigel"]

To be fair we don''t know if they has or hasn''t been any interest. People just seem to assume that if a player they don''t like doesn''t move then it''s because nobody is interested. That''s just so typical of this board. There could be a lot of reasons why. Footballers are young men with families. They don''t have to go anywhere they don''t want to go. Only when a players contract is up, and he is not offered another by his club, would you really know if nobody else wanted them.

 

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So a 25 yr old football who is wonderfully talented chooses to sit in the reserves of a mid-table 3rd Division team?  Whatever floats his boat!!!

Get REAL Nutty!!! [:$]

As for you last comment, was this not the case with another one of your hero''s in the Doc??? [:$][:$][:$]

[nutty nigel 7,894]

[quote user="Smudger"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

To be fair we don''t know if they has or hasn''t been any interest. People just seem to assume that if a player they don''t like doesn''t move then it''s because nobody is interested. That''s just so typical of this board. There could be a lot of reasons why. Footballers are young men with families. They don''t have to go anywhere they don''t want to go. Only when a players contract is up, and he is not offered another by his club, would you really know if nobody else wanted them.

 

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So a 25 yr old football who is wonderfully talented chooses to sit in the reserves of a mid-table 3rd Division team?  Whatever floats his boat!!!

Get REAL Nutty!!! [:$]

As for you last comment, was this not the case with another one of your hero''s in the Doc??? [:$][:$][:$]

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You need to get real Smudger. That''s not at all what I said.

And Doc signed the 2 year cointract he was offered here. I suppose next you will tell me that we offered him the contract that your saying is expensive because nobody else wanted him. You may not like Roeder but he aint that stupid.

 

[Rustys 1st Touch 0]

Your tirade against Hoolahan is pathetic. I think we can gather that your not a fan, give it a rest.

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,580]

Wes Hoolahan is a useful player, who would be a good player, if he didn''t think he was a phenomenal player.If he sticks to the basics a little more (i.e. he doesn''t try and dribble through the entire opposition team three times) and realises he isn''t Diego Maradona, he would be a star in this division.

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[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Smudger"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

To be fair we don''t know if they has or hasn''t been any interest. People just seem to assume that if a player they don''t like doesn''t move then it''s because nobody is interested. That''s just so typical of this board. There could be a lot of reasons why. Footballers are young men with families. They don''t have to go anywhere they don''t want to go. Only when a players contract is up, and he is not offered another by his club, would you really know if nobody else wanted them.

 

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So a 25 yr old football who is wonderfully talented chooses to sit in the reserves of a mid-table 3rd Division team?  Whatever floats his boat!!!

Get REAL Nutty!!! [:$]

As for you last comment, was this not the case with another one of your hero''s in the Doc??? [:$][:$][:$]

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You need to get real Smudger. That''s not at all what I said.

And Doc signed the 2 year cointract he was offered here. I suppose next you will tell me that we offered him the contract that your saying is expensive because nobody else wanted him. You may not like Roeder but he aint that stupid.

 

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Nobody else did want him... if they did then why did nobody else take him when he was angling for a move away from us for the entire summer of 2008?

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[quote user="Rustys 1st Touch"]Your tirade against Hoolahan is pathetic. I think we can gather that your not a fan, give it a rest.
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No I won''t give it a rest... and I suggest that he stays indoors while he is still in Norwich.

[nutty nigel 7,894]

[quote user="Smudger"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Smudger"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

To be fair we don''t know if they has or hasn''t been any interest. People just seem to assume that if a player they don''t like doesn''t move then it''s because nobody is interested. That''s just so typical of this board. There could be a lot of reasons why. Footballers are young men with families. They don''t have to go anywhere they don''t want to go. Only when a players contract is up, and he is not offered another by his club, would you really know if nobody else wanted them.

 

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So a 25 yr old football who is wonderfully talented chooses to sit in the reserves of a mid-table 3rd Division team?  Whatever floats his boat!!!

Get REAL Nutty!!! [:$]

As for you last comment, was this not the case with another one of your hero''s in the Doc??? [:$][:$][:$]

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You need to get real Smudger. That''s not at all what I said.

And Doc signed the 2 year cointract he was offered here. I suppose next you will tell me that we offered him the contract that your saying is expensive because nobody else wanted him. You may not like Roeder but he aint that stupid.

 

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Nobody else did want him... if they did then why did nobody else take him when he was angling for a move away from us for the entire summer of 2008?

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Because you assume he was angling for a move while I assume he was angling to stay. If you moved here from Luton or leicester or somewhere and settled here would you angle for a move or angle to stay Smudger?

 

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[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Smudger"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Smudger"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

To be fair we don''t know if they has or hasn''t been any interest. People just seem to assume that if a player they don''t like doesn''t move then it''s because nobody is interested. That''s just so typical of this board. There could be a lot of reasons why. Footballers are young men with families. They don''t have to go anywhere they don''t want to go. Only when a players contract is up, and he is not offered another by his club, would you really know if nobody else wanted them.

 

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So a 25 yr old football who is wonderfully talented chooses to sit in the reserves of a mid-table 3rd Division team?  Whatever floats his boat!!!

Get REAL Nutty!!! [:$]

As for you last comment, was this not the case with another one of your hero''s in the Doc??? [:$][:$][:$]

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You need to get real Smudger. That''s not at all what I said.

And Doc signed the 2 year cointract he was offered here. I suppose next you will tell me that we offered him the contract that your saying is expensive because nobody else wanted him. You may not like Roeder but he aint that stupid.

 

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Nobody else did want him... if they did then why did nobody else take him when he was angling for a move away from us for the entire summer of 2008?

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Because you assume he was angling for a move while I assume he was angling to stay. If you moved here from Luton or leicester or somewhere and settled here would you angle for a move or angle to stay Smudger?

 

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Ahh that depends Nutty, my OLD Chum... [;)]

If I was out of work and somebody offered me a reasonable salary to move to either Leicester or Luton then I may choose to leave the beautiful City of Norwich.  I would not want to move but I would do what was in the best interests of my career (especially if I was 25yrs old).  I would not cherish a move to some places such as Scunthorpe maybe so I do see where you are coming from with the location thing and the older that you get I believe that Salary becomes less important as long as you have enough to live off and afford a bit of entertainment and you are happy.

I personally would choose to put staying in Norfolk over my Career at the moment Nutty, but I do not have the finances to uplift my family like young Wes has.  I have also lived in the area for a lot longer than he has ever done and if I moved elsewhere I would not be able to go out and do what I like every week like a young footballer can (apart from when they are not in training) due purely to finances. 

If I was an unwanted 25yr old footballer playing in the reserves of a mid-table Div 3 club though I would be angling for a move out of Norfolk at the soonest opportunity if there was genuine interest from elsewhere and a similar contract was on offer to me.

[nutty nigel 7,894]

Ahhhh but we''re talking about The Doc here and specifically the entire summer of 2008. The Doc got offered a contract to stay here and signed it. He didn''t offer it to himself and if he was unwanted the club wouldn''t have had to offer it to him in the first place.

As for Hoolahan, he was quite obviously settled here ready to play the season out for us. That didn''t change until the Hartlepool game. If he now has no future with us he is under contract and can take or leave any offers until there''s one that''s right for him. Would you make such decisions in a week and take the first thing you were offered?

 

[Block E Buh 0]

If you build your team around Wes then it''ll work, just like Blackpool did. We built our team around Hucks during his best time here and im sure if we built our team around Wes we''d be ok but thats up to the manager, he might not want to build his team around anyone.