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Well done Mick Dennis for taking the time, to come on here and explain his point of view.  

I still think he is to close to Delia & Michael to be completely impartial, something I think he concedes, but a lot of his other points I do see where he is coming from.

I think it really bad all the names he has been called on here, at least he is prepared to debate the issues with us something I do not think many Fleet St journo''s would be prepared to do.

He makes a very good case regarding the goalkeeping situation ( I agree the 4 mentioned are the only top class keepers we have had and in the las 4 decades) and that may have had a a lot to do with Saturdays debacle.

And Kevin Keelan still remains the best keper I ever saw, for us or any opposition.

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Well done Mick Dennis for taking the time, to come on here and explain his point of view.  

I still think he is to close to Delia & Michael to be completely impartial, something I think he concedes, but a lot of his other points I do see where he is coming from.

I think it really bad all the names he has been called on here, at least he is prepared to debate the issues with us something I do not think many Fleet St journo''s would be prepared to do.

He makes a very good case regarding the goalkeeping situation ( I agree the 4 mentioned are the only top class keepers we have had and in the las 4 decades) and that may have had a a lot to do with Saturdays debacle.

And Kevin Keelan still remains the best keper I ever saw, for us or any opposition.

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Really ? Read the dramatic cack he wrote when Roeder got the boot.

He''s a freeloader.

FAMILY FORTUNES AT THEIR LOWEST EBB

 

By Mick Dennis

 

As the mob outside in the street bayed for Glenn Roeder’s head, his wife sat hunched on a sofa in an upstairs lounge at Carrow Road.

It had been a bad year, Fay Roeder said. Her mum died during the summer and now Glenn’s mother was gravely ill. And the football...

The football was grim. Norwich lost to Charlton in an FA Cup replay and afterwards, about 200 supporters gathered outside the main entrance to vent their anger and frustration. Upstairs, behind windows on which the blinds had been pulled, Fay Roeder heard it all.

Around her sat a sad-eyed group of family and friends, perched on comfortable chairs which, that night, were anything but comfortable. The Roeders’ adult daughter sat on the arm of one chair, her body language evoking support and protection for her mum, her words defiantly proud of her dad.

Other people in the room, Norwich City’s inner sanctum on match days, were dotted around in twos and threes. Some were seated, some stood nursing long-cold cups of tea and coffee.

There was a lot of silent head-shaking and, when folk spoke, they kept their voices mournfully low. They avoided eye contact with Fay as the chants drifted up from the street: “We want Roeder out! We want Roeder out!”

The campaign against the manager had started weeks earlier. It was well organised. There was a “Roeder out” website. The anger was largely because, although Roeder saved the club from relegation from the Championship last season, they are back in peril this season. But there was also a personal antipathy towards him. At the club’s AGM he rounded on one critical fan with withering sarcasm and that played very badly in Norfolk.

 

Even so, this week’s demonstration showed new depths of hostility. Upstairs in the lounge a senior member of staff told the Roeders’ daughter that, when she was ready, he would escort her to her car via a discreet exit so that she could avoid the mob.

Michael Wynn Jones, Delia Smith’s gentle, donnish, 67-year-old husband, was told that his car had been moved because, if it had remained outside the directors’ entrance, it might have become a target.

Delia herself was not present. The TV cook had a writing deadline and an early-morning appointment in London the next day and so, for a change, she had not watched the match involving the club of which she and her husband are joint majority shareholders.

It was a good game to miss. Norwich gifted an early goal to a team who had not won for 18 matches, and then could not muster a single first-half shot. At half-time Roger Munby, the Norwich chairman, stood at the front of the directors’ box, where the players could see him, and made an ostentatious show of encouragement. A knot of supporters abused Munby, faces contorted with rage.

I happened to be near Munby’s wife. She shuddered involuntarily as she saw him insulted and muttered: “He doesn’t deserve that.” Norwich were marginally better in the second half. Next to me in the directors’ box, Wynn Jones’s mood fluctuated between impotent fury and fatalistic despair. Later, in the lounge, he looked utterly forlorn.

He repeatedly telephoned his wife but the line was busy. He suspected she was talking to her mother, the remarkable Ettie, who goes to home games whenever Delia does and has some extremely forthright opinions when they lose. Wynn Jones and Munby talked in whispers and then disappeared somewhere. Neither of the other directors – businessman Michael Foulger and chief executive Neil Doncaster – was present in the lounge. An emergency meeting was obviously taking place. Presumably Delia had been reached by phone.

Roeder was typically pugnacious at a press conference, then was driven home by Fay. The next day he and first-team coaches Paul Stephenson and Adam Sadler went to the training ground to supervise “training down” – the light workout which follows a match.

At lunchtime, Munby and Doncaster arrived. They were not there to try the pasta. Roeder, Stephenson and Sadler were sacked on the spot.

It was the board’s experience with Nigel Worthington that convinced them Roeder’s time was up.

Worthington took Norwich into and out of the Premier League and, when the fans turned against him, Delia and her husband suffered personal abuse as they steadfastly refused to sack him.

But as supporters’ hatred grew stronger, confidence seeped from the players and defeats gathered their own momentum. Eventually, Smith and Wynn Jones concluded Worthington had to go.

With those memories still raw this time, and with some must-win matches imminent, the board reasoned backing Roeder would cause a poisonous atmosphere that would choke the team.

The decision was not taken lightly or without considerable soul-searching. And so, at the very heart of a family club, a lot of families got hurt.

 

 

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Whatever you view point, would you want you friends or family treated like that Mr Wazzock ?

This is the problem Mick has, he is to close to the Board & Staff but as that is the case you cannot blame him for defending his mates. My point was he lacked impartiality in a journalistic sense.

I think the abuse suffered by Roger Munby that Mick Dennis was refering to was entirely unjustified, you name me another Club Chairman who would invite disgruntled supporters down the pub for a chat ?

And this weekend it seems  Michael Spillane was subjected to a lot of abuse and he didn''t even PLAY against Colchester. Give the offenders stick by all means, but not the poor sods who are not playing. 

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Why do some fall for this Mick Dennis shock jock journalism?  It''s what he does.  Doctors, nurses, police etc etc get verbal and physical abuse every single day,  but they don''t make shock jock stories do they? 

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Whatever you view point, would you want you friends or family treated like that Mr Wazzock ?

This is the problem Mick has, he is to close to the Board & Staff but as that is the case you cannot blame him for defending his mates. My point was he lacked impartiality in a journalistic sense.

I think the abuse suffered by Roger Munby that Mick Dennis was refering to was entirely unjustified, you name me another Club Chairman who would invite disgruntled supporters down the pub for a chat ?

And this weekend it seems  Michael Spillane was subjected to a lot of abuse and he didn''t even PLAY against Colchester. Give the offenders stick by all means, but not the poor sods who are not playing. 

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Sorry I thought we were talking about Mick Dennis here.

He lacks impartiality due to being a freeloader.

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As someone just pointed out on another forum, if you swap the letters around he is actually Dick Mennis.....

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[quote user="ref89"]As someone just pointed out on another forum, if you swap the letters around he is actually Dick Mennis.....[/quote]Known as Dick Menace to many for years.......

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Everyone likes a witch-hunt. Mick''s an easy target because his voice is out there. What''s wrong with mentioning the families. Do we want to stick our head''s in the sand and pretend that certain actions don''t have a knock on affect? Why is it wrong to mention how friends and relatives feel? In the entire article it doesn''t mention firing Roeder was a mistake - it was purely a different way of telling a story. One I found interesting, it paints a picture. Everything can''t be simplified into Roeder bad - fans good - Roeder sacked, for example.

As for the worries of impartiality. No one on this board is impartial. No one you read in the papers is impartial. There''s always a slant, an angle, and we''re all  guilty of it.

It seems everyone has a holier than thou approach, the difference is Mick puts his into the public domain. Argue with the man by all means, but don''t be churlish about what he does.

We don''t have to agree, but what''s wrong with being civil?

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Nothing wrong with the Dennis article mentioned above, a group of disgruntled supporters can be described as a mob. Is it just this word that has caused such an offence? If so then goodness me, you really do get offended easily. Some could even say you were looking or hoping to take offence... Dread the thought eh? Furthermore, it''s actually a really decent piece of journalism as it gives an insight into a situation from the other side of the fence. - I enjoyed it... Then again that''s probably as i am not looking to be offended at every given opportunity. 

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If Dennis sees himself as impartial why doesnt he write pieces from the fans'' perspectives - I was pretty damn upset last season but he wasnt interested in writing an emotional piece about my mental state was he?

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he knows he isn''t totally impartial, he even said as much on here i think. He does write about how upset he gets when we lose. He just has a different opinion on the board/Delia/MWJ than you do... Which, dare i say it... he is allowed.

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[quote user="The Chirp"]Nothing wrong with the Dennis article mentioned above, a group of disgruntled supporters can be described as a mob.

Is it just this word that has caused such an offence? If so then goodness me, you really do get offended easily. Some could even say you were looking or hoping to take offence... Dread the thought eh?

Furthermore, it''s actually a really decent piece of journalism as it gives an insight into a situation from the other side of the fence. - I enjoyed it... Then again that''s probably as i am not looking to be offended at every given opportunity. 




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I agree that credit is given to Mick for taking the time to write on here even if we don''t agree with him.

It can''t be easy knowing that most are going to disagree with you! But if he''s been sat next to Mike Parry at work he must be used to the wacky world of ideas.

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[quote user="canaryfan68"]I agree that credit is given to Mick for taking the time to write on here even if we don''t agree with him. It can''t be easy knowing that most are going to disagree with you! But if he''s been sat next to Mike Parry at work he must be used to the wacky world of ideas.[/quote]

 

You can say that again![:|]

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Well done Mick Dennis for taking the time, to come on here and explain his point of view.  

I still think he is to close to Delia & Michael to be completely impartial, something I think he concedes, but a lot of his other points I do see where he is coming from.

I think it really bad all the names he has been called on here, at least he is prepared to debate the issues with us something I do not think many Fleet St journo''s would be prepared to do.

He makes a very good case regarding the goalkeeping situation ( I agree the 4 mentioned are the only top class keepers we have had and in the las 4 decades) and that may have had a a lot to do with Saturdays debacle.

And Kevin Keelan still remains the best keper I ever saw, for us or any opposition.

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I have missed his post on here...could someone point me in its direction please?

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[quote user="The Chirp"]Nothing wrong with the Dennis article mentioned above, a group of disgruntled supporters can be described as a mob. Is it just this word that has caused such an offence? If so then goodness me, you really do get offended easily. Some could even say you were looking or hoping to take offence... Dread the thought eh? Furthermore, it''s actually a really decent piece of journalism as it gives an insight into a situation from the other side of the fence. - I enjoyed it... Then again that''s probably as i am not looking to be offended at every given opportunity. 

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[/quote]Seems to me you have a personal issue with Mick Dennis. Perhaps you suffer from jealousy or envy... Seems that way to me! Either that or you don''t have the brains to accept that some people share different opinions to yours. I keep forgetting there are some warped people on here who are only interested in hate and have no interest in fact or opinions/evidence that goes against their beliefs.

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[quote user="can u sit down please"][quote user="canarytim"]

Well done Mick Dennis for taking the time, to come on here and explain his point of view.  

I still think he is to close to Delia & Michael to be completely impartial, something I think he concedes, but a lot of his other points I do see where he is coming from.

I think it really bad all the names he has been called on here, at least he is prepared to debate the issues with us something I do not think many Fleet St journo''s would be prepared to do.

He makes a very good case regarding the goalkeeping situation ( I agree the 4 mentioned are the only top class keepers we have had and in the las 4 decades) and that may have had a a lot to do with Saturdays debacle.

And Kevin Keelan still remains the best keper I ever saw, for us or any opposition.

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I have missed his post on here...could someone point me in its direction please?

[/quote]MD posted on the only other MD titled post on here.

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[quote user="The Chirp"][quote user="1st Wazzock"]

[quote user="The Chirp"]Nothing wrong with the Dennis article mentioned above, a group of disgruntled supporters can be described as a mob.

Is it just this word that has caused such an offence? If so then goodness me, you really do get offended easily. Some could even say you were looking or hoping to take offence... Dread the thought eh?

Furthermore, it''s actually a really decent piece of journalism as it gives an insight into a situation from the other side of the fence. - I enjoyed it... Then again that''s probably as i am not looking to be offended at every given opportunity. 




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Seems to me you have a personal issue with Mick Dennis.

No not at all

Perhaps you suffer from jealousy or envy... Seems that way to me!

You obviously know nothing about me whatsoever.


Either that or you don''t have the brains to accept that some people share different opinions to yours.

We all have different opions, but I have the brains to see it my own way. (Funnily enough I aint the only one to see it that way - Although I accept it doesn''t make me right). Perhaps it is you who are in denial about people seeing things differently.

I keep forgetting there are some warped people on here who are only interested in hate and have no interest in fact or opinions/evidence that goes against their beliefs.

The facts are people lose their jobs everyday of the week, which affects their wives and families, sadly Dick is not there to tell their story and I doubt they get the money Roeder got for being Bloody useless, and no doubt their lives are turned upside down to a greater degree.
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I would beg to differ - I think it is clear that you have a personal issue with Mick Dennis.How else do you explain your comment on the other Mick Dennis thread that he is ''undoubtedly the scum of the earth'' ?

Is that how you categorise somebody who has a different opinion to you and occasionally gets offered a free seat at the football ?

These appear to be your main gripes with the man.

Personally,I take my hat off to him for posting on here in the first place when it was inevitable that there would be plenty willing to shoot him down or give him abuse.I haven''t noticed the likes of Waghorn/Balls/Lakey etc coming on here to contribute (not under their real names anyway).

I enjoy reading Mick Dennis''s colmns - I sometimes agree wih him and sometimes I don''t but the one thing that always comes across is that he loves the club I love and he just wants us to succeed.

Scum of the earth indeed.

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I would beg to differ - I think it is clear that you have a personal issue with Mick Dennis.How else do you explain your comment on the other Mick Dennis thread that he is ''undoubtedly the scum of the earth'' ?

Is that how you categorise somebody who has a different opinion to you and occasionally gets offered a free seat at the football ?

These appear to be your main gripes with the man.

Personally,I take my hat off to him for posting on here in the first place when it was inevitable that there would be plenty willing to shoot him down or give him abuse.I haven''t noticed the likes of Waghorn/Balls/Lakey etc coming on here to contribute (not under their real names anyway).

I enjoy reading Mick Dennis''s columns - I sometimes agree wih him and sometimes I don''t but the one thing that always comes across is that he loves the club I love and he just wants us to succeed.

Scum of the earth indeed.

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It was a very good colour piece written from the "other side of the coin" which, if you have an opportunity to do so, I think should be written if you think it worth writing.  Many of you hate Roeder to pieces and he''s not too fond of you lot either.  But that''s life.

If people don''t like it well hard ******* luck.

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[quote user="1st Wazzock"][quote user="The Chirp"][quote user="1st Wazzock"]

[quote user="The Chirp"]Nothing wrong with the Dennis article mentioned above, a group of disgruntled supporters can be described as a mob. Is it just this word that has caused such an offence? If so then goodness me, you really do get offended easily. Some could even say you were looking or hoping to take offence... Dread the thought eh? Furthermore, it''s actually a really decent piece of journalism as it gives an insight into a situation from the other side of the fence. - I enjoyed it... Then again that''s probably as i am not looking to be offended at every given opportunity. 

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[/quote]Seems to me you have a personal issue with Mick Dennis.

No not at allPerhaps you suffer from jealousy or envy... Seems that way to me!

You obviously know nothing about me whatsoever.

Either that or you don''t have the brains to accept that some people share different opinions to yours.

We all have different opions, but I have the brains to see it my own way. (Funnily enough I aint the only one to see it that way - Although I accept it doesn''t make me right). Perhaps it is you who are in denial about people seeing things differently.I keep forgetting there are some warped people on here who are only interested in hate and have no interest in fact or opinions/evidence that goes against their beliefs.

The facts are people lose their jobs everyday of the week, which affects their wives and families, sadly Dick is not there to tell their story and I doubt they get the money Roeder got for being Bloody useless, and no doubt their lives are turned upside down to a greater degree.[/quote]

[/quote]well, i am one of those people, i was made redundant from Dow Jones... It''s been hard and I am having to change careers to try and get a job. Not for one second do i take offence to this article as i take this as an article about football, about a manager in a high pressured environment. Again, and honestly i am not trying to have a dig at you BUT... it really seems to me you''re looking to be offended by Mick.I think some people on here are so against Delia and co. now that they are getting a little silly, over the top and look to be offended by anything remotely pro board. I think if you''re big enough to admit it, i have a point there. 

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