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Grant Holt - happy or unhappy?

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I''m slightly concerned about this one. His record isn''t as good as people seem to think it is, and one decent season at Shrewsbury in the league below isn''t good enough in my opinion to warrant a place as the ''star striker'' in a team that should be challenging for the league 1 title.

This isn''t a thread for me to just complain about new signings for any reason I can find - I was just interested to here others opinions on why people are so happy with this signing. I''ve seen somebody post something along the lines of ''Holt is without a doubt our most exciting signing.'' Well, I would disagree - I''m far more optimistic about both Whaley and Hughes. I''m not convinced that Holt is a great signing, but I hope I''m wrong. I am going to give him a chance, however, of course.

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YearsClubApp (Gls)*
1999–2000
1999–2000
2000–2003
2002
2004–2006
2006–2008
2008
2008–2009
2009–
Halifax Town
Barrow (loan)
Barrow
Sheffield Wednesday
Rochdale
Nottingham Forest
Blackpool (loan)
Shrewsbury Town
Norwich City
006 0(0)
004 0(1)
069 (35)   Decent record here
00? (14)
024 0(3)
074 (20)   That''s a pretty poor record - only 20 goals in that many games
004 0(0)
043 (20)   The only other reasonably decent record, but it was only one season
000 0(0)  

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[quote user="Downloads"]I seem to remember someone on here saying he was played out of position at Forest? Right wing?[/quote]

Ah, that would make snese. 20 out of 70-odd games is a poor record for a striker ...

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the first season at forest when he played up front he scored 17 goals and they got into the play offs. The season after they played him mainly on the wing and i think his ratio was 1 every 5 games, not bad really for a winger!!!!im happy with this but still think we may need someone to play with him as not sure if either curo, cody and martin will score 15+

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Seems like in his first season there he came off the bench a lot too, yet he scored 18 goals still in the first season and got player of the year.

Don''t know what happened in the second year, whether that was being played out of position? But seems to me whenever he gets games under his belt, he scores.

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[quote user="matt crowhurst"]the first season at forest when he played up front he scored 17 goals and they got into the play offs. The season after they played him mainly on the wing and i think his ratio was 1 every 5 games, not bad really for a winger!!!!

im happy with this but still think we may need someone to play with him as not sure if either curo, cody and martin will score 15+
[/quote]

Excellent, thanks a lot [Y] I couldn''t quite understand why people were so happy with this, but seems his record is better than I expected if this whole ''playing on the right wing'' bit is true. I agree that I would like to see another striker signed though, preferably a quick striker. I would have loved to have seen Dickinson here ...

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[quote user="Mushroom"]

Happy.

He scored 28 goals in all competitions last season. He''s a goal scorer.

Nuff said.

[/quote]

He certainly is a goal scorer but quite a number of them for Shrews last season were from the penalty spot - sadly except when it mattered in the playoff v Gillingham.

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No worries, and as downloads has said when he gets a run of games as a striker he always seems to score goals though admittedly there may be more pressure on him here. Am also a bit worried that if he gets injured we have no one to replace him with. What are the rules on loans? is there any deadline to get someone in by if the need arises?

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[quote user="NCFC_Shaun"]

YearsClubApp (Gls)*
1999–2000
1999–2000
2000–2003
2002
2004–2006
2006–2008
2008
2008–2009
2009–
Halifax Town
Barrow (loan)
Barrow
Sheffield Wednesday
Rochdale
Nottingham Forest
Blackpool (loan)
Shrewsbury Town
Norwich City
006 0(0)
004 0(1)
069 (35)   Decent record here
00? (14)
024 0(3)
074 (20)   That''s a pretty poor record - only 20 goals in that many games
004 0(0)
043 (20)   The only other reasonably decent record, but it was only one season
000 0(0)  
[/quote]FOREST PLAYED HIM ON THE WING...HOW MANY MORE TIMES!!!.....happyish...would like to see another striker if we dont sign Maric...Lambert would be awesome

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Thanks for the link, that was a very interesting read and sounds like we may have an even better striker than i gave him credit for. Not often fans give players who have left such a glowing reference and certainly backs up what i have been told about his performances for them

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[quote user="matt crowhurst"]CTID - what is fascination with Lambert? genuine question haven''t seen much of him apart from knowing he scored a few last season.
[/quote]he knows were the goal is...simple as that [Y] and in this division you need two 20 goal a season strikers [;)]

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How much would he cost though and can we really afford him after Grant yesterday? and could he play with Grant, or would they be similar players competing for one place? is he a ''target man'' or a ''finisher''? quick and agile or big and strong? i really dont know much about him at all?

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Holts stats for Rochdale are actually wrong on Wikipedia, he scored 42 Goals in 84 games for them according to Soccernet.

Here is a more detailed account of his Stats pasted from Soccernet. Not bad reading.

 

2008/09 Statistics
TEAMCompetitionGSSBGASHSGFCFSYCRC
Shrewsbury TownJohnstone''s Paint Trophy30712081010
Shrewsbury TownEnglish Carling Cup1000101010
Shrewsbury TownEnglish FA Cup1010114400
Shrewsbury TownEnglish League Two46020413557135116120
2008/09 Season Totals51028513958148130140

2007/08 Statistics
TEAMCompetitionGSSBGASHSGFCFSYCRC
Nottingham ForestEnglish League One2210343512463641
BlackpoolEnglish League Championship0400100000
Nottingham ForestEnglish FA Cup1000113210
2007/08 Season Totals2314343713493851

2006/07 Statistics
TEAMCompetitionGSSBGASHSGFCFSYCRC
Nottingham ForestEnglish FA Cup4110628600
Nottingham ForestEnglish League One34121455228424780
Nottingham ForestEnglish Carling Cup0100000000
Nottingham ForestJohnstone''s Paint Trophy3030322400
2006/07 Season Totals41141856132525780

2005/06 Statistics
TEAMCompetitionGSSBGASHSGFCFSYCRC
RochdaleJohnstone''s Paint Trophy1010000000
RochdaleEnglish Carling Cup1000000010
Nottingham ForestEnglish League One17140000030
RochdaleEnglish FA Cup1000000000
RochdaleEnglish League Two210140000071
2005/06 Season Totals4111900000111

2004/05 Statistics
TEAMCompetitionGSSBGASHSGFCFSYCRC
RochdaleEnglish League Two4101700000140
RochdaleEnglish FA Cup3050000010
RochdaleEnglish Carling Cup1010000010
RochdaleJohnstone''s Paint Trophy1010000000
2004/05 Season Totals4602400000160

2003/04 Statistics
TEAMCompetitionGSSBGASHSGFCFSYCRC
Sheffield WednesdayJohnstone''s Paint Trophy1200000010
Sheffield WednesdayEnglish Carling Cup0100000000
Sheffield WednesdayEnglish League One9820000041
Sheffield WednesdayEnglish FA Cup2010000000
RochdaleEnglish League Two14030000050
2003/04 Season Totals2611600000101


2002/03 Statistics
TEAMCompetitionGSSBGASHSGFCFSYCRC
Sheffield WednesdayEnglish League Championship3410000020

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Happy.  We''ve been crying out for a well built and tall goalscorer since we sold Ashton (Evans did his bit but was only a loanee.)

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[quote user="matt crowhurst"]How much would he cost though and can we really afford him after Grant yesterday? and could he play with Grant, or would they be similar players competing for one place? is he a ''target man'' or a ''finisher''? quick and agile or big and strong? i really dont know much about him at all?
[/quote]apparently the money spent so far was the rebate money and the money from foulger...so we have the sammy clingan money and maybe some coming from rusty...so yes we could afford him...£500-£700k and he would be ours i feel [Y] with him and Holt up front we would get promoted no probs imho

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[quote user="matt crowhurst"]How much would he cost though and can we really afford him after Grant yesterday? and could he play with Grant, or would they be similar players competing for one place? is he a ''target man'' or a ''finisher''? quick and agile or big and strong? i really dont know much about him at all?
[/quote]he has a bit of everything 6,2" knows were the goal is and he isnt no slouch...imho its exactly what we are looking for[Y]

Rickie Lambert
Personal information
Full nameRichard Lambert
Date of birth16 February 1982 (1982-02-16) (age 27)
Place of birth   Liverpool, England
Height6 ft 2 in (1.88 m)
Playing positionStriker
Club information
Current clubBristol Rovers
Number9
Senior career1
YearsClubApp (Gls)*
1998–2000
2001–2002
2002–2005
2005–2006
2006–
Blackpool
Macclesfield Town
Stockport County
Rochdale
Bristol Rovers
003 0(0)
044 0(8)
098 (18)
064 (28)
127 (50)   

1 Senior club appearances and goals
counted for the domestic league only and
correct as of 16:48, 3 May 2009 (UTC).
* Appearances (Goals)

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Plus points- Knows where the goal is- Good work rate- Great penalty taker (apart from in shootouts)- Decent goal scoring record overallNegative points- Overinflated fee- Quite a few of his goals were from penalties

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Not too sure about those negatives, Mr Bump - the fee is only really high relative to our other signings (ie free/next-to-nothing!) it''ll start to look pretty good if he bags the goals to get us promoted (and is in the ballpark of the fee that got Dickinson to Brighton, imo Holt is a better bet);

Actually, we have also just sold our resident penalty taker, so not a bad thing to have signed a ready replacement!

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Not so sure about Grant Holt. Seen him play against Bury and for Forrest and wasn''t all that impressed. He''s a bit of a thug, his loyalty to any club is questionable and he didn''t seem all that interested in the play off semi finals - as though it didn''t particularly matter to him because he''d leave if they didn''t get promoted. One of my friends who supports Norwich as her second team (Bury is her first) is so anti Holt that she has said she wouldn''t come to any more games if we signed him. I''m guessing there must be a reason for her feelings other than that he used to play for Rochfail. Obviously his goal record does speak for itself but he does have a tendancy to go missing when it matters.  Only my opinion so please don''t shoot me down.

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I did want to see Alan Lee, purely for his committment to the cause last season, especially as an ex binner. But longevity i suppose would have to go to Holt, Gunns building for the future, so if its a toss up between the two then youd plump for Holt over Lee most days.Shame not to see Lee in yellow shirt again tho, i was really impressed with this attitude last season, and his robust style of play.

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I get the impression that you can almost substitute Holt for Lee in terms of ''robustness'' - they both put it about in a way that we have needed, and been missing, for a couple of seasons.

None of us can possibly know if it will work out, but I have to say I''m feeling more optimistic than I thought I''d be about the coming season.

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Ive got a few forest mates,and they were gutted we signed him!! They said he shouldnt have left forest, but ill wait and see what hecomes up with!

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