NCFC_Shaun 0 Posted July 25, 2009 I''m slightly concerned about this one. His record isn''t as good as people seem to think it is, and one decent season at Shrewsbury in the league below isn''t good enough in my opinion to warrant a place as the ''star striker'' in a team that should be challenging for the league 1 title. This isn''t a thread for me to just complain about new signings for any reason I can find - I was just interested to here others opinions on why people are so happy with this signing. I''ve seen somebody post something along the lines of ''Holt is without a doubt our most exciting signing.'' Well, I would disagree - I''m far more optimistic about both Whaley and Hughes. I''m not convinced that Holt is a great signing, but I hope I''m wrong. I am going to give him a chance, however, of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCFC_Shaun 0 Posted July 25, 2009 YearsClubApp (Gls)*1999–20001999–20002000–200320022004–20062006–200820082008–20092009–Halifax Town→ Barrow (loan)BarrowSheffield WednesdayRochdaleNottingham Forest→ Blackpool (loan)Shrewsbury TownNorwich City006 0(0)004 0(1)069 (35) Decent record here00? (14)024 0(3)074 (20) That''s a pretty poor record - only 20 goals in that many games004 0(0)043 (20) The only other reasonably decent record, but it was only one season000 0(0) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Minster Canary 0 Posted July 25, 2009 Happy.He scored 28 goals in all competitions last season. He''s a goal scorer.Nuff said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downloads 35 Posted July 25, 2009 I seem to remember someone on here saying he was played out of position at Forest? Right wing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCFC_Shaun 0 Posted July 25, 2009 [quote user="Downloads"]I seem to remember someone on here saying he was played out of position at Forest? Right wing?[/quote]Ah, that would make snese. 20 out of 70-odd games is a poor record for a striker ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt crowhurst 0 Posted July 25, 2009 the first season at forest when he played up front he scored 17 goals and they got into the play offs. The season after they played him mainly on the wing and i think his ratio was 1 every 5 games, not bad really for a winger!!!!im happy with this but still think we may need someone to play with him as not sure if either curo, cody and martin will score 15+ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wizard 0 Posted July 25, 2009 Quite happy................for me![;)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downloads 35 Posted July 25, 2009 Seems like in his first season there he came off the bench a lot too, yet he scored 18 goals still in the first season and got player of the year.Don''t know what happened in the second year, whether that was being played out of position? But seems to me whenever he gets games under his belt, he scores. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCFC_Shaun 0 Posted July 25, 2009 [quote user="matt crowhurst"]the first season at forest when he played up front he scored 17 goals and they got into the play offs. The season after they played him mainly on the wing and i think his ratio was 1 every 5 games, not bad really for a winger!!!!im happy with this but still think we may need someone to play with him as not sure if either curo, cody and martin will score 15+[/quote]Excellent, thanks a lot [Y] I couldn''t quite understand why people were so happy with this, but seems his record is better than I expected if this whole ''playing on the right wing'' bit is true. I agree that I would like to see another striker signed though, preferably a quick striker. I would have loved to have seen Dickinson here ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camuldonum 0 Posted July 25, 2009 [quote user="Mushroom"]Happy.He scored 28 goals in all competitions last season. He''s a goal scorer.Nuff said.[/quote]He certainly is a goal scorer but quite a number of them for Shrews last season were from the penalty spot - sadly except when it mattered in the playoff v Gillingham. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Destort 0 Posted July 25, 2009 http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A54853590This is a very detailed explanation by a forest fan which should come close to explaining the ratio at Forest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt crowhurst 0 Posted July 25, 2009 No worries, and as downloads has said when he gets a run of games as a striker he always seems to score goals though admittedly there may be more pressure on him here. Am also a bit worried that if he gets injured we have no one to replace him with. What are the rules on loans? is there any deadline to get someone in by if the need arises? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
city-till-i-die 7 Posted July 25, 2009 [quote user="NCFC_Shaun"]YearsClubApp (Gls)*1999–20001999–20002000–200320022004–20062006–200820082008–20092009–Halifax Town→ Barrow (loan)BarrowSheffield WednesdayRochdaleNottingham Forest→ Blackpool (loan)Shrewsbury TownNorwich City006 0(0)004 0(1)069 (35) Decent record here00? (14)024 0(3)074 (20) That''s a pretty poor record - only 20 goals in that many games004 0(0)043 (20) The only other reasonably decent record, but it was only one season000 0(0) [/quote]FOREST PLAYED HIM ON THE WING...HOW MANY MORE TIMES!!!.....happyish...would like to see another striker if we dont sign Maric...Lambert would be awesome Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt crowhurst 0 Posted July 25, 2009 Thanks for the link, that was a very interesting read and sounds like we may have an even better striker than i gave him credit for. Not often fans give players who have left such a glowing reference and certainly backs up what i have been told about his performances for them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt crowhurst 0 Posted July 25, 2009 CTID - what is fascination with Lambert? genuine question haven''t seen much of him apart from knowing he scored a few last season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
city-till-i-die 7 Posted July 25, 2009 [quote user="matt crowhurst"]CTID - what is fascination with Lambert? genuine question haven''t seen much of him apart from knowing he scored a few last season.[/quote]he knows were the goal is...simple as that [Y] and in this division you need two 20 goal a season strikers [;)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt crowhurst 0 Posted July 25, 2009 How much would he cost though and can we really afford him after Grant yesterday? and could he play with Grant, or would they be similar players competing for one place? is he a ''target man'' or a ''finisher''? quick and agile or big and strong? i really dont know much about him at all? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Logitian 0 Posted July 25, 2009 Holts stats for Rochdale are actually wrong on Wikipedia, he scored 42 Goals in 84 games for them according to Soccernet.Here is a more detailed account of his Stats pasted from Soccernet. Not bad reading. 2008/09 StatisticsTEAMCompetitionGSSBGASHSGFCFSYCRCShrewsbury TownJohnstone''s Paint Trophy30712081010Shrewsbury TownEnglish Carling Cup1000101010Shrewsbury TownEnglish FA Cup1010114400Shrewsbury TownEnglish League Two460204135571351161202008/09 Season Totals510285139581481301402007/08 StatisticsTEAMCompetitionGSSBGASHSGFCFSYCRCNottingham ForestEnglish League One2210343512463641BlackpoolEnglish League Championship0400100000Nottingham ForestEnglish FA Cup10001132102007/08 Season Totals23143437134938512006/07 StatisticsTEAMCompetitionGSSBGASHSGFCFSYCRCNottingham ForestEnglish FA Cup4110628600Nottingham ForestEnglish League One34121455228424780Nottingham ForestEnglish Carling Cup0100000000Nottingham ForestJohnstone''s Paint Trophy30303224002006/07 Season Totals411418561325257802005/06 StatisticsTEAMCompetitionGSSBGASHSGFCFSYCRCRochdaleJohnstone''s Paint Trophy1010000000RochdaleEnglish Carling Cup1000000010Nottingham ForestEnglish League One17140000030RochdaleEnglish FA Cup1000000000RochdaleEnglish League Two2101400000712005/06 Season Totals41119000001112004/05 StatisticsTEAMCompetitionGSSBGASHSGFCFSYCRCRochdaleEnglish League Two4101700000140RochdaleEnglish FA Cup3050000010RochdaleEnglish Carling Cup1010000010RochdaleJohnstone''s Paint Trophy10100000002004/05 Season Totals46024000001602003/04 StatisticsTEAMCompetitionGSSBGASHSGFCFSYCRCSheffield WednesdayJohnstone''s Paint Trophy1200000010Sheffield WednesdayEnglish Carling Cup0100000000Sheffield WednesdayEnglish League One9820000041Sheffield WednesdayEnglish FA Cup2010000000RochdaleEnglish League Two140300000502003/04 Season Totals26116000001012002/03 StatisticsTEAMCompetitionGSSBGASHSGFCFSYCRCSheffield WednesdayEnglish League Championship3410000020 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Chops 7 Posted July 25, 2009 Happy. We''ve been crying out for a well built and tall goalscorer since we sold Ashton (Evans did his bit but was only a loanee.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
city-till-i-die 7 Posted July 25, 2009 [quote user="matt crowhurst"]How much would he cost though and can we really afford him after Grant yesterday? and could he play with Grant, or would they be similar players competing for one place? is he a ''target man'' or a ''finisher''? quick and agile or big and strong? i really dont know much about him at all?[/quote]apparently the money spent so far was the rebate money and the money from foulger...so we have the sammy clingan money and maybe some coming from rusty...so yes we could afford him...£500-£700k and he would be ours i feel [Y] with him and Holt up front we would get promoted no probs imho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
city-till-i-die 7 Posted July 25, 2009 [quote user="matt crowhurst"]How much would he cost though and can we really afford him after Grant yesterday? and could he play with Grant, or would they be similar players competing for one place? is he a ''target man'' or a ''finisher''? quick and agile or big and strong? i really dont know much about him at all?[/quote]he has a bit of everything 6,2" knows were the goal is and he isnt no slouch...imho its exactly what we are looking for[Y]Rickie LambertPersonal informationFull nameRichard LambertDate of birth16 February 1982 (1982-02-16) (age 27)Place of birth Liverpool, EnglandHeight6 ft 2 in (1.88 m)Playing positionStrikerClub informationCurrent clubBristol RoversNumber9Senior career1YearsClubApp (Gls)*1998–20002001–20022002–20052005–20062006–BlackpoolMacclesfield TownStockport CountyRochdaleBristol Rovers003 0(0)044 0(8)098 (18)064 (28)127 (50) 1 Senior club appearances and goalscounted for the domestic league only andcorrect as of 16:48, 3 May 2009 (UTC).* Appearances (Goals) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,631 Posted July 25, 2009 I''m v happy - IMO he is a better bet than most of the others we''ve been linked with (Dickinson, Lee). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Bump 0 Posted July 25, 2009 Plus points- Knows where the goal is- Good work rate- Great penalty taker (apart from in shootouts)- Decent goal scoring record overallNegative points- Overinflated fee- Quite a few of his goals were from penalties Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,631 Posted July 25, 2009 Not too sure about those negatives, Mr Bump - the fee is only really high relative to our other signings (ie free/next-to-nothing!) it''ll start to look pretty good if he bags the goals to get us promoted (and is in the ballpark of the fee that got Dickinson to Brighton, imo Holt is a better bet);Actually, we have also just sold our resident penalty taker, so not a bad thing to have signed a ready replacement! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stranger44 0 Posted July 25, 2009 Not so sure about Grant Holt. Seen him play against Bury and for Forrest and wasn''t all that impressed. He''s a bit of a thug, his loyalty to any club is questionable and he didn''t seem all that interested in the play off semi finals - as though it didn''t particularly matter to him because he''d leave if they didn''t get promoted. One of my friends who supports Norwich as her second team (Bury is her first) is so anti Holt that she has said she wouldn''t come to any more games if we signed him. I''m guessing there must be a reason for her feelings other than that he used to play for Rochfail. Obviously his goal record does speak for itself but he does have a tendancy to go missing when it matters. Only my opinion so please don''t shoot me down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Morriss 69 Posted July 25, 2009 I did want to see Alan Lee, purely for his committment to the cause last season, especially as an ex binner. But longevity i suppose would have to go to Holt, Gunns building for the future, so if its a toss up between the two then youd plump for Holt over Lee most days.Shame not to see Lee in yellow shirt again tho, i was really impressed with this attitude last season, and his robust style of play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,631 Posted July 25, 2009 I get the impression that you can almost substitute Holt for Lee in terms of ''robustness'' - they both put it about in a way that we have needed, and been missing, for a couple of seasons.None of us can possibly know if it will work out, but I have to say I''m feeling more optimistic than I thought I''d be about the coming season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jordimurrell 0 Posted July 25, 2009 [quote user="NCFC_Shaun"]i hate the pinkun![/quote]omfg you murder!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CANARY CHARGE 0 Posted July 25, 2009 Ive got a few forest mates,and they were gutted we signed him!! They said he shouldnt have left forest, but ill wait and see what hecomes up with! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
