Its always Freebies and Trials..why?

[PhatCanary 0]

I''m starting to worry that we are about to be let down again when it comes to the forwards,to me it seems we are trying to get that 20 goal man without spending a penny, if the money was available surely Gunn would have already got his man, the latest two trialists don''t fill me with confidence thats for sure? Whats going on down at Carrow road surely we can''t be about to be taken for mugs again by the club,is it just a case of getting players out before bringing in that much needed forward? Are the trialists who are being looked at going to be back up for the new arrivals?  if they ever come that is,i just hope to god the club isn''t trying to do it on the cheap again,for all our sakes!!

[Joanna Grey 0]

[quote user="PhatCanary"]I''m starting to worry that we are about to be let down again when it comes to the forwards...[/quote]

I think you are positively looking forward to it, give you something to moan about.

[Lambo 0]

When you''ve got a squad as small as ours and a limited budget you need to look at free signings to fill it out, you just have to make sure they''re the right free signings.

Don''t worry though, there''s cash to spend i still think you''ll see Lee and a Winger signed before the start of the season.

[Beauseant 0]

[quote user="PhatCanary"]I''m starting to worry that we are about to be let down again when it comes to the forwards,to me it seems we are trying to get that 20 goal man without spending a penny, if the money was available surely Gunn would have already got his man, the latest two trialists don''t fill me with confidence thats for sure? Whats going on down at Carrow road surely we can''t be about to be taken for mugs again by the club,is it just a case of getting players out before bringing in that much needed forward? Are the trialists who are being looked at going to be back up for the new arrivals?  if they ever come that is,i just hope to god the club isn''t trying to do it on the cheap again,for all our sakes!![/quote]

 

I suspect that we have to sell Clingan and/or Russell to have any funds, as it now seems pretty clear that the rebate money has disappeared into the wages budget. We don''t have any money and are cutting our cloth accordingly, so just pray that some of these triallists come good, because if not its going to be a long hard season.

[PhatCanary 0]

[quote user="Mustachio Furioso"]

[quote user="PhatCanary"]I''m starting to worry that we are about to be let down again when it comes to the forwards...[/quote]

I think you are positively looking forward to it, give you something to moan about.

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Why do you and others on here always try to turn posts into an argument,all i''ve done is posted my opinion and at the end stated what reason the club might have for not already signing a 20 goal forward,i''m not being negative i just have a genuine concern for christ sake!!![:@]

[7rew 0]

[quote user="PhatCanary"]I''m starting to worry that we are about to be let down again when it comes to the forwards,to me it seems we are trying to get that 20 goal man without spending a penny, if the money was available surely Gunn would have already got his man, the latest two trialists don''t fill me with confidence thats for sure? Whats going on down at Carrow road surely we can''t be about to be taken for mugs again by the club,is it just a case of getting players out before bringing in that much needed forward? Are the trialists who are being looked at going to be back up for the new arrivals?  if they ever come that is,i just hope to god the club isn''t trying to do it on the cheap again,for all our sakes!![/quote]Even the most optimistic estimates have our transfer budget at about £1m + Clingan sale price.We needed at the start of the window to buy atleast 1 GK, 2 Fullbacks, 1 CD, 2 CMs (more if Clingan goes), a RMF and 2 strikers.  And it would be nice to have an extra RMF, LMF, CM CD and striker.Assuming we don''t sell Clingan that leaves at most £1m spread over 9 to 14 players. Which is between 111k and 71k each.If we sell Clingan its likely to be at most £1.8m  spread over 10 to 15 players.  This is between 180k and 120k each.A 180k player isn''t much cop these days.  A free is different, since their value can be anything (cf Micheal Owen) - I''d guess it was probably inevitable!

[mastoola 203]

as soon as i heard the rebate would go to the player budget i knew in my heart that it would go for wages and not transfers.hence the term budget and not transfers.

however getting people on trial is a good idea.just because they are not attached to a club doesnt mean they are not good players,look at micheal owen if you want an example. it gives you a chance of picking up some good players at no cost.

[ACE 0]

This is not the only  news I have heard.  There is something else being announced today.

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="PhatCanary"][quote user="Mustachio Furioso"]

[quote user="PhatCanary"]I''m starting to worry that we are about to be let down again when it comes to the forwards...[/quote]

I think you are positively looking forward to it, give you something to moan about.

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Why do you and others on here always try to turn posts into an argument!!![:@]

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Sadly Phat, thats the way of this message board, its more about grudges and point scoring these days..........I''m getting sick of it!

[PhatCanary 0]

[quote user="mastoola"]

as soon as i heard the rebate would go to the player budget i knew in my heart that it would go for wages and not transfers.hence the term budget and not transfers.

however getting people on trial is a good idea.just because they are not attached to a club doesnt mean they are not good players,look at micheal owen if you want an example. it gives you a chance of picking up some good players at no cost.

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Agree with the highlighted point but surely the big signing this year had to be a forward and we needed to spend a few pounds to get the right man!!  with the rebate money and the money from the Marshal and Clingan sales surely we don''t need to be giving trials to find that right player?! Use the cash and bring in the man you can afford but then again maybe thats the problem, has all the rebate money  gone on wages and Tudor Jones! without Clingans sale are we completely skint?

[RichT - The Biscuit 0]

football has changed, more and more players are letting contracts run out before moving to get a good signing on fee and will therefore go on a trial to win a contract.

Michael Bridges for me would be a good signing, I know nothing about the other guy though, still who had heard of Robert Fleck when he came from Rangers Reserves, I certainly hadn''t.

My worry with triallists is those who impress you to get a contract and are then rubbish, although to be fair I can''t remember too many trialists of recent years who have done that!  I''m more worried about so called YouTube stars.

I actually think that Gunn & Co are doing the right thing, get them in, look at them train, watch them play and then make a decision, I''m for bringing 100 trialist if it means unearthing a couple of gems!

[PhatCanary 0]

[quote user="ACE"]This is not the only  news I have heard.  There is something else being announced today.

Oh you tease,is it on your site?
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[Ian 1,204]

[quote user="PhatCanary"]

without Clingans sale are we completely skint?

[/quote]Maybe not completely skint, but clearly we need to cut down overheads and/or go for the cheapier, riskier option.

[. 0]

[quote user="PhatCanary"][quote user="Mustachio Furioso"]

[quote user="PhatCanary"]I''m starting to worry that we are about to be let down again when it comes to the forwards...[/quote]

I think you are positively looking forward to it, give you something to moan about.

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Why do you and others on here always try to turn posts into an argument,all i''ve done is posted my opinion and at the end stated what reason the club might have for not already signing a 20 goal forward,i''m not being negative i just have a genuine concern for christ sake!!![:@]

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It''s par for the course Phat....Realism or genuine concern constitutes wicked disloyalty to Delia''s luvvies.

Stand your ground and just let it flow over you...... [Y]

 

[PhatCanary 0]

[quote user="First Wizard"][quote user="PhatCanary"][quote user="Mustachio Furioso"]

[quote user="PhatCanary"]I''m starting to worry that we are about to be let down again when it comes to the forwards...[/quote]

I think you are positively looking forward to it, give you something to moan about.

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Why do you and others on here always try to turn posts into an argument!!![:@]

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Sadly Phat, thats the way of this message board, its more about grudges and point scoring these days..........I''m getting sick of it!

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Tell me about it wiz!! Shyster had it in for me yeterday because i asked him to stop with the swearing and homophobic comments,he even started a thread about me that got 1 reply,it''s just getting a bit boring,i want to debate all things Norwich, not keep having to argue about every post i type!!! Any way moving on wheres this bloody forward?!?

[TheCardinal 0]

Personally, with the money we (don''t) have, I think trials are a very good idea. It gives you a good chance to take a look at players like Bridges and youngsters in a more competitive enviroment.As for freebies, I think by now we should know that not all players available on a free transfer are available because they''re unwanted or not very good. PhatCanary, I think you need to realise that the fee involved is not always indicative of the player''s ability.

[PhatCanary 0]

[quote user="TheCardinal"]Personally, with the money we (don''t) have, I think trials are a very good idea. It gives you a good chance to take a look at players like Bridges and youngsters in a more competitive enviroment.

As for freebies, I think by now we should know that not all players available on a free transfer are available because they''re unwanted or not very good. PhatCanary, I think you need to realise that the fee involved is not always indicative of the player''s ability.
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Yes i do understand that, as i''ve pointed out on the first page of this post,read that and you''ll get what i''m trying to get at.[:)]

[TheCardinal 0]

[quote user="PhatCanary"]

[quote user="TheCardinal"]Personally, with the money we (don''t) have, I think trials are a very good idea. It gives you a good chance to take a look at players like Bridges and youngsters in a more competitive enviroment.As for freebies, I think by now we should know that not all players available on a free transfer are available because they''re unwanted or not very good. PhatCanary, I think you need to realise that the fee involved is not always indicative of the player''s ability. [/quote]

Yes i do understand that, as i''ve pointed out on the first page of this post,read that and you''ll get what i''m trying to get at.[:)]

[/quote]And I quote from your opening post:[quote]I''m starting to worry that we are about to be let down again when it

comes to the forwards,to me it seems we are trying to get that 20 goal

man without spending a penny[/quote]My response was, to paraphrase and narrow it down, you don''t necessarily have to spend money to get that 20 goal a season striker.

[In Dubious Battle 0]

Why are some people obsessed with us spending money? If we can get decent players in and they are free as well isn''t that a good thing? 

[Stevee Wonder 0]

[quote user="Say Hello To The Angels"]Why are some people obsessed with us spending money? If we can get decent players in and they are free as well isn''t that a good thing?  [/quote]

I''m afraid this seems to be a disease of almost all (especially Norwich) fans.

People would rather us risk £500,000 on a player (to show "ambition") than get someone equally as good on a free (which is always better).

[xxxx 0]

[quote user="Say Hello To The Angels"]Why are some people obsessed with us spending money? If we can get decent players in and they are free as well isn''t that a good thing?  [/quote] But they more than likely are not decent , thats why they are going round clubs on trial , one or two freebies would have been ok but with us its every bloody signing and its getting past a joke.Whats the betting Alan Donkey Lee will be our massive summer signing at around £200,000, pathetic .

[PhatCanary 0]

Say Hello To The Angels said "Why are some people obsessed with us spending money? If we can get decent players in and they are free as well isn''t that a good thing?" 

Who''s obsessed!!!?,i''m just stating my opinion, to get that 20 goal a season man you normally need to spend good money,do you not think if Bridges was so highly thought of and expected to score plenty of goals he would already have offers or be at a club?! As i say it''s only my opinion and if he''s the forwrd we go with then so be it,if he scores 30 goals and gets us back up into the championship then great,the gamble worked but why gamble with such an important season ahead of us?

[Show Me What You Gooot! 0]

[quote user="Stevee Wonder"][quote user="Say Hello To The Angels"]Why are some people obsessed with us spending money? If we can get decent players in and they are free as well isn''t that a good thing? 
[/quote] I''m afraid this seems to be a disease of almost all (especially Norwich) fans. People would rather us risk £500,000 on a player (to show "ambition") than get someone equally as good on a free (which is always better).[/quote]

Thats the point. A freebie is far far less likely to be "equally as good" as a £500k player. A price on their head usually indicates demand due to their abilities. If they don''t have a price tag then no mug wants them (except us obviously).

Are our expectations really getting so low that we''re trying to convince ourselves we don''t need to spend money to put a side together? Are we really unwilling to accept that most freebies are crap and cost nothing to buy for a very good reason? Clearly the other teams around us are mugs for spending money on players when apparently they don''t have to.

[Big Slob 0]

[quote user="Mustachio Furioso"]

[quote user="PhatCanary"]I''m starting to worry that we are about to be let down again when it comes to the forwards...[/quote]

I think you are positively looking forward to it, give you something to moan about.

[/quote]Agreed Mustachio.

[Legend Iwan 30]

[quote user="Paint Me Yellow"]

[quote user="Stevee Wonder"][quote user="Say Hello To The Angels"]Why are some people obsessed with us spending money? If we can get decent players in and they are free as well isn''t that a good thing? 
[/quote] I''m afraid this seems to be a disease of almost all (especially Norwich) fans. People would rather us risk £500,000 on a player (to show "ambition") than get someone equally as good on a free (which is always better).[/quote]

Thats the point. A freebie is far far less likely to be "equally as good" as a £500k player. A price on their head usually indicates demand due to their abilities. If they don''t have a price tag then no mug wants them (except us obviously).

Are our expectations really getting so low that we''re trying to convince ourselves we don''t need to spend money to put a side together? Are we really unwilling to accept that most freebies are crap and cost nothing to buy for a very good reason? Clearly the other teams around us are mugs for spending money on players when apparently they don''t have to.

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Didn''t we get Clingan and Hooly in for free last season, 2 players who are now rated as our best players.

The fee for a player is complicated depending on the league you are in, how many years on the players contract etc and you can pick up good players for free these days

Which teams around us have spent money already?

[PhatCanary 0]

[quote user="Legend Iwan"][quote user="Paint Me Yellow"]

[quote user="Stevee Wonder"][quote user="Say Hello To The Angels"]Why are some people obsessed with us spending money? If we can get decent players in and they are free as well isn''t that a good thing? 
[/quote] I''m afraid this seems to be a disease of almost all (especially Norwich) fans. People would rather us risk £500,000 on a player (to show "ambition") than get someone equally as good on a free (which is always better).[/quote]

Thats the point. A freebie is far far less likely to be "equally as good" as a £500k player. A price on their head usually indicates demand due to their abilities. If they don''t have a price tag then no mug wants them (except us obviously).

Are our expectations really getting so low that we''re trying to convince ourselves we don''t need to spend money to put a side together? Are we really unwilling to accept that most freebies are crap and cost nothing to buy for a very good reason? Clearly the other teams around us are mugs for spending money on players when apparently they don''t have to.

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Didn''t we get Clingan and Hooly in for free last season, 2 players who are now rated as our best players.

The fee for a player is complicated depending on the league you are in, how many years on the players contract etc and you can pick up good players for free these days

Which teams around us have spent money already?

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Didn''t we pay for Hoolahan,player plus cash? Honest question not having a go!!!

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="Paint Me Yellow"]Thats the point. A freebie is far far less likely to be "equally as good" as a £500k player. A price on their head usually indicates demand due to their abilities. If they don''t have a price tag then no mug wants them (except us obviously).[/quote]So, by your logic, if Croft had a year left on his contract and Derby had paid £500k for him, he would have been a better player?

[Legend Iwan 30]

[quote user="PhatCanary"][quote user="Legend Iwan"][quote user="Paint Me Yellow"]

[quote user="Stevee Wonder"][quote user="Say Hello To The Angels"]Why are some people obsessed with us spending money? If we can get decent players in and they are free as well isn''t that a good thing? 
[/quote] I''m afraid this seems to be a disease of almost all (especially Norwich) fans. People would rather us risk £500,000 on a player (to show "ambition") than get someone equally as good on a free (which is always better).[/quote]

Thats the point. A freebie is far far less likely to be "equally as good" as a £500k player. A price on their head usually indicates demand due to their abilities. If they don''t have a price tag then no mug wants them (except us obviously).

Are our expectations really getting so low that we''re trying to convince ourselves we don''t need to spend money to put a side together? Are we really unwilling to accept that most freebies are crap and cost nothing to buy for a very good reason? Clearly the other teams around us are mugs for spending money on players when apparently they don''t have to.

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Didn''t we get Clingan and Hooly in for free last season, 2 players who are now rated as our best players.

The fee for a player is complicated depending on the league you are in, how many years on the players contract etc and you can pick up good players for free these days

Which teams around us have spent money already?

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Didn''t we pay for Hoolahan,player plus cash? Honest question not having a go!!!

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I though he came from Blackpool on a free

[Nexus_Canary 1,206]

what part ofWE HAVE NO BLEEDING MONEYdo some of you not understand ?I am glad that we are at least making some movements !This has got to be one of the most active summers we have had in years, ok so they are trialists but at least we are not signing Billy Bigtime for 500k for him to bugger off to Denmark cos his wife got a new job or something similarly lame as in previous years !Get a grip and be thankfull we dont have a load of chavs and past its on loan, which , i hasten to add we have to pay LOAN FEES for.

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="PhatCanary"]to get that 20 goal a season man you normally need to spend good money[/quote]Leroy Lita is a free agent!