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Just watching everybody criticise the club for considering the sale of Wes Hoolohan. In my opinion the sooner he goes the better, if we get 400k - 600k for him then we would have done well. In 35 appearances last year he scored 2 goals (in 37 shots) and made 3 assists.  

If he is going to stay at Norwich I expect a hell of a lot more from him, and if he isnt going to want to be here then he is hardly going to pull his finger out of his brown tunnel. His record at Blackpool wasnt all that much better in the season before we signed him, he scored 5 goals in 46 games (in 61 shots) but still only made 5 assists.

The only thing he bring to the team is an astonishing amount of free kicks that he wins the team, but unless we learn to utilise set pieces then I cant see what he really offers us anyway. People criticised Lee Croft for his crossing ability, but with 5 goals (in 25 shots) and 3 assists in 36 games, he was a lot more effective for our attack than Wes Hoolohan.

There is absolutely no point whatsoever in having decent strikers at this club if we are going to have non creative wingers again.

Oh and by the way, the ''past it'' Darren Huckerby made 7 assists and scored 5 goals (34 shots) in 36 appearances for us in his last season at Carrow Road (only a year ago guys). A much better record than his so called replacement and last seasons player of the year.

Stop over rating Hoolohan, he is sub standard and his under performance last season puts just as much blame on him than any other player in the squad last year.

 

 

 

 

 

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to be fair though Juan Hoolahan did start to perform under Gunn and was Blackpool''s biggest player when promoted.  If we are building a starting 11 of big, strong players then I think the craft of Hoolahan could be massive for us.

I would love him to stay

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to be fair though Juan Hoolahan did start to perform under Gunn and was Blackpool''s biggest player when promoted.  If we are building a starting 11 of big, strong players then I think the craft of Hoolahan could be massive for us.

I would love him to stay

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Sorry, but I''d grab the money.....quickly.

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A bit of guile mixed in with the new policy of 6 foot plus muscle would seem a sensible mix.  When fit Hoolahoop does offer something different and has experience at this level.  I would prefer we keep hold of him.

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I can''t possibly argue with the facts presented here. What I will say though in Hoolahan''s defence, is that he was just starting to play his best football for us around the time he got injured. Had he not been injured in the Plymouth game his form would''ve probably stayed about the same and who knows, we may even have stayed up with the odd extra goal or two. That strike against Southampton was an absolute corker and we should''ve kept all three points from that (I still can''t believe we didn''t). I think he could still play a part in League One for us providing he stays fit. Who knows, if he stays on and plays well he could go in the Janurary window for an even better price. I''m not so sure for the time being we could get that much money for him ,especially if the likes of Marshall went for a cut price (not so highly regarded here, but elsewhere he seems to be viewed as a bargain buy and one of the better players from our relegation nightmare). On the other side of the coin, we''ve added Spillane, Gill and Tudor Jones to the squad so there''s more options for Gunny to choose from.

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Yeah exactly. The ironic thing is that Hoolohan would be worth keeping if we had David Bell in the team.

Hoolohan as a player has an amazing amount of fouls made against him, and the only player we have had for ages who we can call a set piece specialist is David Bell.

With no David Bell there is no point in having a Wes Hoolohan.  We need direct pacey wingers who can get to the byeline and cross the ball, like Huckerby. Croft couldnt do the last bit, but Bell and Hoolohan arent they type of player at all.

If we really are talking to Mark Yeates, he would be a much more suitable option for us than Hoolohan. I just cant see how we can accomodate Hoolohan unless we get a dead ball specialist and the type of players that can score from high balls into the box (e.g. Malky Mackay, Iwan Roberts).

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Juan what are you on? Hoolahan is now our best player by far. The playmaker and under Gunn he was doing a lot better than when Rodent was here. If it wasn''t for his injury we might of escaped relegation. When Hoolahan got injured our form went rapidly down hill! That alone says it all.

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750k+ and I''d let him go. But fact is we desperately lack creation and vision, and for Hoolahan''s faults, he does have that.

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[quote user="colneycanary"]Juan what are you on? Hoolahan is now our best player by far. The playmaker and under Gunn he was doing a lot better than when Rodent was here. If it wasn''t for his injury we might of escaped relegation. When Hoolahan got injured our form went rapidly down hill! That alone says it all.[/quote]

 

wow, now im really filled with confidence

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[quote user="colneycanary"]Juan what are you on? Hoolahan is now our best player by far. The playmaker and under Gunn he was doing a lot better than when Rodent was here. If it wasn''t for his injury we might of escaped relegation. When Hoolahan got injured our form went rapidly down hill! That alone says it all.[/quote]

barr clingan he is the only player worth any money and is one our best playeres would be class in lge1 gotta keep him

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The only player left who has any creativity or attacking flair. Vital if we''re to mount a promotion push.

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[quote user="colneycanary"]Juan what are you on? Hoolahan is now our best player by far. The playmaker and under Gunn he was doing a lot better than when Rodent was here. If it wasn''t for his injury we might of escaped relegation. When Hoolahan got injured our form went rapidly down hill! That alone says it all.[/quote]

Rubbish. He is attractive in his style, and entertaining, enjoyable to watch..... but the stats do not lie. He is completely ineffective and probably doesnt want to be here.

He can look as good as he wants, but 3 assists and 2 goals in 35 games is a shocking return, he had a hell of a lot of shots as well (worse than Curetons record). The only positive to come out of his play, as the statistics show, is the number of free kicks that he wins.

In his season in League One he scored 10 goals and 10 assists in 44 games. That IS a good return. But if the club really are talking about Mark Yeates, he scored 13 goals and made 11 assists last season in 46 games. Better than Hoolohans best season, and Hoolohan was playing in a promotion winning team..... Yeates wasnt.

If he doesnt score goals, and he doesnt make assists, if he cant tackle, then what exactly does he offer our team? Last year he offered nothing. As simple as. Maybe he is our most naturally talented player, but I would rather have a great big oath who can stick a cross onto somebodies head.

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[quote user="JuanVelasco"]

Just watching everybody criticise the club for considering the sale of Wes Hoolohan. In my opinion the sooner he goes the better, if we get 400k - 600k for him then we would have done well. In 35 appearances last year he scored 2 goals (in 37 shots) and made 3 assists.  

If he is going to stay at Norwich I expect a hell of a lot more from him, and if he isnt going to want to be here then he is hardly going to pull his finger out of his brown tunnel. His record at Blackpool wasnt all that much better in the season before we signed him, he scored 5 goals in 46 games (in 61 shots) but still only made 5 assists.

The only thing he bring to the team is an astonishing amount of free kicks that he wins the team, but unless we learn to utilise set pieces then I cant see what he really offers us anyway. People criticised Lee Croft for his crossing ability, but with 5 goals (in 25 shots) and 3 assists in 36 games, he was a lot more effective for our attack than Wes Hoolohan.

There is absolutely no point whatsoever in having decent strikers at this club if we are going to have non creative wingers again.

Oh and by the way, the ''past it'' Darren Huckerby made 7 assists and scored 5 goals (34 shots) in 36 appearances for us in his last season at Carrow Road (only a year ago guys). A much better record than his so called replacement and last seasons player of the year.

Stop over rating Hoolohan, he is sub standard and his under performance last season puts just as much blame on him than any other player in the squad last year.

 

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Couldn''t agree more. He improved his performance levels significantly in his last 6 or 8 games prior to picking up the injury, but before that he was a waste of space.

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Once Clingan is sold Hoolahan will be the only half decent footballer left at this club , afraid people like Gill  are not in the same league , its like replacing professionals with Sunday morning pub players .

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Stats don''t tell the whole story though do they Juan - if they did- there would be kids running around with bodies only 40% complete......If we are seroius about getting back to a reasonable level, we have to keep our better players.

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[quote user="Loan City Fc "]Once Clingan is sold Hoolahan will be the only half decent footballer left at this club , afraid people like Gill  are not in the same league , its like replacing professionals with Sunday morning pub players .
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Cody McDonald is better than Wes Hoolohan, and he actually was a sunday league player about 6 months before we signed him.

For me the stats do tell the story. Cureton scored 4 goals all season = Rubbish goalscoring record.  Lee Croft made just 3 assists = Couldnt cross. Wes Hoolohan scored 2 goals and made 3 assists = Our so called ''Creative'' player ''Created'' hardly any points.

He obviously has talent but if he doesnt want to be here then get rid, if he wants to stay and have a go at being effective then keep him. Mark Yeates is a better player.

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Sorry but:

1. Who is criticising the club for considering selling Hoolahan?

2. Where has it been said by anyone at the club they are considering selling Hoolahan?

3. I keep seeing people say on here that if he doesn''t want to play for us in league 1 he should go but where has Hoolahan said that?

 

Personally i think he''s a great little player and will be very disappointed if he leaves as it will leave our current squad totally devoid of any flair or guile.

 

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Sorry but:

1. Who is criticising the club for considering selling Hoolahan? - The many people who think that it is a foregone conclusion, I myself think that it is a foregone conclusion.

2. Where has it been said by anyone at the club they are considering selling Hoolahan? - Where has it been said that they are not considering Hoolohan?

3. I keep seeing people say on here that if he doesn''t want to play for us in league 1 he should go but where has Hoolahan said that? - Firstly he hasnt said that he wants to stay, there has been no pledge of loyalty. Secondly, I said this being hypothetical. If he wants to stay then good, and if he wants to go the let him good. I believe the use of the word ''If'' instead of ''As'' is probably key to that.

 

Personally i think he''s a great little player and will be very disappointed if he leaves as it will leave our current squad totally devoid of any flair or guile.

 

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[quote user="JuanVelasco"][quote user="Jim Smith"]

Sorry but:

1. Who is criticising the club for considering selling Hoolahan? - The many people who think that it is a foregone conclusion, I myself think that it is a foregone conclusion.

2. Where has it been said by anyone at the club they are considering selling Hoolahan? - Where has it been said that they are not considering Hoolohan?

3. I keep seeing people say on here that if he doesn''t want to play for us in league 1 he should go but where has Hoolahan said that? - Firstly he hasnt said that he wants to stay, there has been no pledge of loyalty. Secondly, I said this being hypothetical. If he wants to stay then good, and if he wants to go the let him good. I believe the use of the word ''If'' instead of ''As'' is probably key to that.

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Sorry, Juan, but I think you''re talking rubbish.

Nothing in football is a foregone conclusion. If the deal isn''t right for us or Wes, then it doesn''t happen.

Everyone has their price at the club. If an offer comes in, it will be considered. That''s bloody obvious.

Finally, no pledge of loyalty? So bloody what. That can be said about 3/4 of our squad. Doesn''t mean they''re all about to leave, does it?

You''re making a fuss over nothing.

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[quote user="Jim Smith"]

Sorry but:

1. Who is criticising the club for considering selling Hoolahan?

2. Where has it been said by anyone at the club they are considering selling Hoolahan?

3. I keep seeing people say on here that if he doesn''t want to play for us in league 1 he should go but where has Hoolahan said that?

 

Personally i think he''s a great little player and will be very disappointed if he leaves as it will leave our current squad totally devoid of any flair or guile.

 

[/quote]Great post, we need creativity and who else apart from him do we have? I really don''t understand why people want to get rid of him, for the money we will get we won''t get anyone anywhere near as good. Keeping him and Clingan would be the two best signings of the summer in League One, if we were to do it.

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[quote user="TheMarshmallowMonkey"][quote user="JuanVelasco"][quote user="Jim Smith"]

Sorry but:

1. Who is criticising the club for considering selling Hoolahan? - The many people who think that it is a foregone conclusion, I myself think that it is a foregone conclusion.

2. Where has it been said by anyone at the club they are considering selling Hoolahan? - Where has it been said that they are not considering Hoolohan?

3. I keep seeing people say on here that if he doesn''t want to play for us in league 1 he should go but where has Hoolahan said that? - Firstly he hasnt said that he wants to stay, there has been no pledge of loyalty. Secondly, I said this being hypothetical. If he wants to stay then good, and if he wants to go the let him good. I believe the use of the word ''If'' instead of ''As'' is probably key to that.

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Sorry, Juan, but I think you''re talking rubbish.

Nothing in football is a foregone conclusion. If the deal isn''t right for us or Wes, then it doesn''t happen.

Everyone has their price at the club. If an offer comes in, it will be considered. That''s bloody obvious.

Finally, no pledge of loyalty? So bloody what. That can be said about 3/4 of our squad. Doesn''t mean they''re all about to leave, does it?

You''re making a fuss over nothing.

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Im not making a fuss about nothing, in fact I am not making a fuss about anything. I am giving my personal opinions on Wes Hoolohan, which everybody is welcome to debate and disagree with as they please. My perspective is that he offered pretty much nothing to our team next year, and that if he wants to leave he will be no loss. The opinions of some others differ from that significantly, but that shouldnt stop me from saying what I think. There is nothing else to talk about at the minute, so why not?

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Attacking players are the type of players that are going to be difficult for us to get. Hoolahan may not have had the best of seasons last year but he does have flair and these sorts of players are going to cost alot more money to replace than finding steady if unspectacular defensive players. If he goes i hope we get good money for him becuase looking at what attacking midfielders and wide players we would be left with doesnt fill me with much confidence for the comming season.

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[quote user="Willmeister"][quote user="Jim Smith"]

Sorry but:

1. Who is criticising the club for considering selling Hoolahan?

2. Where has it been said by anyone at the club they are considering selling Hoolahan?

3. I keep seeing people say on here that if he doesn''t want to play for us in league 1 he should go but where has Hoolahan said that?

 

Personally i think he''s a great little player and will be very disappointed if he leaves as it will leave our current squad totally devoid of any flair or guile.

 

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Great post, we need creativity and who else apart from him do we have? I really don''t understand why people want to get rid of him, for the money we will get we won''t get anyone anywhere near as good. Keeping him and Clingan would be the two best signings of the summer in League One, if we were to do it.
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Sorry But:-

1) How do you know how much money we would get from him?

2) Mark Yeates is linked to clubs at 350k, do you not rate him? He is 3 years younger, quicker, and scores more goals.

3) Would you really pay £1.25m to keep Clingan for one year, when that would pay the wages of 8 or 9 league one players?

 

 

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Yes he''s not a bad player, but Hoolahan is more than experienced at this level. Yes we do need to sign more players, but as the old addage goes, quality not quantity.

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Keep him, its a must. He showed when he had a decent run in the team and had an arm wrapped around him by Gunn what a different player he can be, GR was too heavy on him. He will be vital, yers he will get fouled but a lot of league 1 defenders will be quite scared by his trickery and taking early baths on a regular basis.

Come on Gunn, keep him.

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Sorry Juan but you''re taking an oversimplistic viewpoint by only basing your opinion on bare statistics. There is so much more to a game of football than that. Do goals win games or do you score goals by winning games? You admit yourself that he earns a hell of a lot of free kicks for the team. So surely the best idea would be to bring in somebody who can take a decent set piece? Can Gill deliver a decent free kick?You also seem convinced that Hoolahan doesn''t want to be here although there seems to be no evidence to suggest that this is true.

Hoolahan had a difficult first season, that seems pretty clear to me. I would suggest that regardless of final league position it''s a pretty big step to go from playing in front of one man and his dog at Blackpool to 25,000 at Carrow Road where you''ve just been brought in to replace a former crowd idol. I also don''t think he has been helped by being moved around the pitch so much. He started off slowly as an orthodox left winger but by the time Roeder had given him more of a free reign around the time of the Ipswich home game he had started to look dangerous. In fact it was around this time, when Roeder was sending us out in a fairly loose 4-2-3-1 with Clingan and Pattison being the more defensive midfielders and Bell, Hoolahan and Croft playing behind Lita, that we actually started to look half decent.

I''d like to see us keep Hoolahan and build a side around him based on him either having a free role behind a lone striker (Lee?) or as part of a central midfield three with a licence to roam. Stick him out on the left and expect him to be Darren Huckerby and you might as well get rid.

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[quote user="Willmeister"]Yes he''s not a bad player, but Hoolahan is more than experienced at this level. Yes we do need to sign more players, but as the old addage goes, quality not quantity.
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Thank you for proving to me that you do not have a clue. Mark Yeates has played twice as many games as Hoolohan at ''this level''. He has also scored more goals, more assists, and like Hoolohan.... nearly joined Crystal Palace.

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