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I couldn''t help but notice how much importance is put on attendances by you guys on this board, playing on the fact NCFC are the best supported club in East Anglia. Funnily enough these statistics appear to suggest otherwise, last 3 seasons apart the opposite is in fact the case.Ave Attendance          ITFC             NCFC2009                           20,951           24,5432008                           21,935           24,5232007                           22,445           24,5452006                           24,253           24,9522005                           25,651           24,3502004                           24,520           18,9872003                           25,455           20,3532002                           24,426           18,6442001                           22,532           16,5252000                           18,524           15,5391999                           16,932           15,7601998                           14,893           14,445As ive stated previously too, taking into account the difference in populations we are far and away the better supported club, us being a little "Town" whilst Norwich is a "Large" city. Your words not mine.

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blue mike - last 3 seasons apart we were beating manure 2-0. lot can happen in 3 seasons - glad you except we are a large (and beautiful) city and you ..........well you know the rest

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HAHA good one bluemike, you finish just outside the playoffs after 90% of your fans expected playoffs or better prior to last season and we finish 3rd from bottom and still average nearly 4000 more fans than you despite having a smaller stadium, AND still you believe that you are a better supported club than we are. That''s suffolk logic for you.

Yets not be to cruel to the poor little troll though, he''s trying his best bless him. [:P]

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In the earlier years City were giving the figues as the number actually attending whereas Ipswich were giving the number of tickets sold. City changed to tickets sold but for some seasons also declared the percentage attending. Apparently both clubs reckon an average 1000 season ticket holders miss every game.

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There''s a period there where''d i think most City fans would have expected you to have had the bigger attendance, 2 seasons in the top flight and the first season back down where there was still UEFA cup football still for you.

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[quote user="bluemike"]you can put your spin on it any way you like, but its facts ive posted, simple as that.
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And the ''facts'' you''ve posted clearly show Norwich as a better supported club than Ipswich. Our attendances increase as our stadium capacity increases. Yours appear to increase when your club is doing well, and fall when it is not doing so well. You currently have a larger stadium than us, yet we have higher attendances than you. Case closed.

You can put your spin on it any way you like, but its facts you''ve posted, simple as that.

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[quote user="NCFC_Shaun"]

[quote user="bluemike"]you can put your spin on it any way you like, but its facts ive posted, simple as that.[/quote]

And the ''facts'' you''ve posted clearly show Norwich as a better supported club than Ipswich. Our attendances increase as our stadium capacity increases. Yours appear to increase when your club is doing well, and fall when it is not doing so well. You currently have a larger stadium than us, yet we have higher attendances than you. Case closed.

You can put your spin on it any way you like, but its facts you''ve posted, simple as that.

[/quote] Norwich population 225,000, ave att 24,593 = 10.9% of population support NCFC              Ipswich population  125,000, ave att 20,951=  16.7% of population support ITFC           Not hard to follow, dim wit.

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[quote user="bluemike"][quote user="NCFC_Shaun"]

[quote user="bluemike"]you can put your spin on it any way you like, but its facts ive posted, simple as that.[/quote]

And the ''facts'' you''ve posted clearly show Norwich as a better supported club than Ipswich. Our attendances increase as our stadium capacity increases. Yours appear to increase when your club is doing well, and fall when it is not doing so well. You currently have a larger stadium than us, yet we have higher attendances than you. Case closed.

You can put your spin on it any way you like, but its facts you''ve posted, simple as that.

[/quote] Norwich population 225,000, ave att 24,593 = 10.9% of population support NCFC              Ipswich population  125,000, ave att 20,951=  16.7% of population support ITFC           Not hard to follow, dim wit.[/quote]aside from shagging family members what else is there to do in ipswich?

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[quote user="bluemike"][quote user="NCFC_Shaun"]

[quote user="bluemike"]you can put your spin on it any way you like, but its facts ive posted, simple as that.[/quote]

And the ''facts'' you''ve posted clearly show Norwich as a better supported club than Ipswich. Our attendances increase as our stadium capacity increases. Yours appear to increase when your club is doing well, and fall when it is not doing so well. You currently have a larger stadium than us, yet we have higher attendances than you. Case closed.

You can put your spin on it any way you like, but its facts you''ve posted, simple as that.

[/quote] Norwich population 225,000, ave att 24,593 = 10.9% of population support NCFC              Ipswich population  125,000, ave att 20,951=  16.7% of population support ITFC           Not hard to follow, dim wit.[/quote]So what does he do?  Lovely ol'' population spin.

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[quote user="The Fuehrer with a Pound Shop Keyboard"][quote user="bluemike"][quote user="NCFC_Shaun"]

[quote user="bluemike"]you can put your spin on it any way you like, but its facts ive posted, simple as that.
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And the ''facts'' you''ve posted clearly show Norwich as a better supported club than Ipswich. Our attendances increase as our stadium capacity increases. Yours appear to increase when your club is doing well, and fall when it is not doing so well. You currently have a larger stadium than us, yet we have higher attendances than you. Case closed.

You can put your spin on it any way you like, but its facts you''ve posted, simple as that.

[/quote] Norwich population 225,000, ave att 24,593 = 10.9% of population support NCFC
              Ipswich population  125,000, ave att 20,951=  16.7% of population support ITFC

           Not hard to follow, dim wit.
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So what does he do?  Lovely ol'' population spin.
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I think he''s dug his hole deep enough now

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[quote user="bluemike"] Norwich population 225,000, ave att 24,593 = 10.9% of population support NCFC              Ipswich population  125,000, ave att 20,951=  16.7% of population support ITFC           Not hard to follow, dim wit.[/quote]I don''t make a habit of feeding trolls. But I''m just wondering where you get a Norwich City population figure of 225,000?Or are you counting Ipswich as a suburb of Norwich?

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Thanks for your comedy post Bluemike. Shame you''re not much good with figures isn''t it? Look very slowly and carefully again at what you''ve posted and you''ll see that according to YOUR FIGURES Norwich have had the highest average for the last FOUR seasons, not three as you state. Now pay attention and after me.....1,2,3,4!

P.s. Have Ipswich paid their debt to the St John''s Ambulance yet?

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[quote user="Pyro Pete"][quote user="bluemike"] Norwich population 225,000, ave att 24,593 = 10.9% of population support NCFC              Ipswich population  125,000, ave att 20,951=  16.7% of population support ITFC           Not hard to follow, dim wit.[/quote]I don''t make a habit of feeding trolls. But I''m just wondering where you get a Norwich City population figure of 225,000?Or are you counting Ipswich as a suburb of Norwich?

[/quote]LOL

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[quote user="Pyro Pete"][quote user="bluemike"]

 Norwich population 225,000, ave att 24,593 = 10.9% of population support NCFC
              Ipswich population  125,000, ave att 20,951=  16.7% of population support ITFC

           Not hard to follow, dim wit.
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I don''t make a habit of feeding trolls. But I''m just wondering where you get a Norwich City population figure of 225,000?

Or are you counting Ipswich as a suburb of Norwich?



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http://www.rce.org.uk/?P=NORWICH#

http://www.rce.org.uk/?P=IPSWICH

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[quote user="bluemike"]Thanks apathy, someone with a bit of sense.
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Speaking of sense, have you learned to count to 4 yet?

Or do you simply fail to get your facts straight?

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[quote user="Apathy FC"]

[quote user="Pyro Pete"][quote user="bluemike"] Norwich population 225,000, ave att 24,593 = 10.9% of population support NCFC              Ipswich population  125,000, ave att 20,951=  16.7% of population support ITFC           Not hard to follow, dim wit.[/quote]I don''t make a habit of feeding trolls. But I''m just wondering where you get a Norwich City population figure of 225,000?Or are you counting Ipswich as a suburb of Norwich?

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http://www.rce.org.uk/?P=NORWICH#

http://www.rce.org.uk/?P=IPSWICH

[/quote]Guess who didn''t pay attention in GCSE geography class?I''ll see your random internet link and raise you a link to the 2001 census, which has the population of Norwich at 121,550.http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/profiles/33UG.aspYour serve.

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[quote user="bluemike"]I couldn''t help but notice how much importance is put on attendances by you guys on this board, playing on the fact NCFC are the best supported club in East Anglia. Funnily enough these statistics appear to suggest otherwise, last 3 seasons apart the opposite is in fact the case.

Ave Attendance          ITFC             NCFC

2009                           20,951           24,543
2008                           21,935           24,523
2007                           22,445           24,545
2006                           24,253           24,952
2005                           25,651           24,350
2004                           24,520           18,987
2003                           25,455           20,353
2002                           24,426           18,644
2001                           22,532           16,525
2000                           18,524           15,539
1999                           16,932           15,760
1998                           14,893           14,445

As ive stated previously too, taking into account the difference in populations we are far and away the better supported club, us being a little "Town" whilst Norwich is a "Large" city. Your words not mine.
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If things go tits up with Keane and we are near the top in League 1 I think we''ll still average more than the blue s*um!

 

Our support levels last season were incredible considering how poor we were last season. I don''t think the blue s*um would of averaged 24,000 crowds in our position last season, oh hang on a minute they actually averaged 3500 less when they came in the top 10!

 

I think we''d of topped the 30,000 mark at least once last season if Carrow Road was big enough. Portakabin Rd holds over 30,000 yet they never filled the ground!

 

I''m glad the Blue S*um announced plans to build a bigger and better Portman stand or now known as the Cobbold stand because that stand is one of the worst stands around facility wise although a club thinking about increasing their ground capacity when they last season had on average 9000 empty seats has got to be a bit dodgy!" 

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[quote user="Pyro Pete"][quote user="Apathy FC"]

[quote user="Pyro Pete"][quote user="bluemike"]

 Norwich population 225,000, ave att 24,593 = 10.9% of population support NCFC
              Ipswich population  125,000, ave att 20,951=  16.7% of population support ITFC

           Not hard to follow, dim wit.
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I don''t make a habit of feeding trolls. But I''m just wondering where you get a Norwich City population figure of 225,000?

Or are you counting Ipswich as a suburb of Norwich?



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http://www.rce.org.uk/?P=NORWICH#

http://www.rce.org.uk/?P=IPSWICH

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Guess who didn''t pay attention in GCSE geography class?

I''ll see your random internet link and raise you a link to the 2001 census, which has the population of Norwich at 121,550.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/profiles/33UG.asp

Your serve.


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230,000 is the city of Norwich and surrounding area.  If you want to go a bit more up to date, the most recent figures from the National Statistics office are 132,000 http://www.statistics.gov.uk/STATBASE/Product.asp?vlnk=13893

 

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[quote user="bluemike"]I couldn''t help but notice how much importance is put on attendances by you guys on this board, playing on the fact NCFC are the best supported club in East Anglia. Funnily enough these statistics appear to suggest otherwise, last 3 seasons apart the opposite is in fact the case.Ave Attendance          ITFC             NCFC2009                           20,951           24,5432008                           21,935           24,5232007                           22,445           24,5452006                           24,253           24,9522005                           25,651           24,3502004                           24,520           18,9872003                           25,455           20,3532002                           24,426           18,6442001                           22,532           16,5252000                           18,524           15,5391999                           16,932           15,7601998                           14,893           14,445As ive stated previously too, taking into account the difference in populations we are far and away the better supported club, us being a little "Town" whilst Norwich is a "Large" city. Your words not mine.[/quote]Nice try Mike. Sadly for you, the all time average attendance for Norwich since the 2nd World War, the earliest the attendance figures go back to, show Norwich has an average support of 18,000 +. Ipswich is 17,000. Better luck next time...

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[quote user="bluemike"]I couldn''t help but notice how much importance is put on attendances by you guys on this board, playing on the fact NCFC are the best supported club in East Anglia. Funnily enough these statistics appear to suggest otherwise, last 3 seasons apart the opposite is in fact the case.Ave Attendance          ITFC             NCFC2009                           20,951           24,5432008                           21,935           24,5232007                           22,445           24,5452006                           24,253           24,9522005                           25,651           24,3502004                           24,520           18,9872003                           25,455           20,3532002                           24,426           18,6442001                           22,532           16,5252000                           18,524           15,5391999                           16,932           15,7601998                           14,893           14,445As ive stated previously too, taking into account the difference in populations we are far and away the better supported club, us being a little "Town" whilst Norwich is a "Large" city. Your words not mine.[/quote]come on mike we have already covered this!!! stewards, ball boys, photographers, st john and goats dont count, so flawed argument!!

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[quote user="CANARYCHARGE"][quote user="bluemike"]I couldn''t help but notice how much importance is put on attendances by you guys on this board, playing on the fact NCFC are the best supported club in East Anglia. Funnily enough these statistics appear to suggest otherwise, last 3 seasons apart the opposite is in fact the case.Ave Attendance          ITFC             NCFC2009                           20,951           24,5432008                           21,935           24,5232007                           22,445           24,5452006                           24,253           24,9522005                           25,651           24,3502004                           24,520           18,9872003                           25,455           20,3532002                           24,426           18,6442001                           22,532           16,5252000                           18,524           15,5391999                           16,932           15,7601998                           14,893           14,445As ive stated previously too, taking into account the difference in populations we are far and away the better supported club, us being a little "Town" whilst Norwich is a "Large" city. Your words not mine.[/quote]come on mike we have already covered this!!! stewards, ball boys, photographers, st john and goats dont count, so flawed argument!![/quote] Im not taking away the goats, NO WAY !!!!!

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[quote user="bluemike"]I couldn''t help but notice how much importance is put on attendances by you guys on this board, playing on the fact NCFC are the best supported club in East Anglia. Funnily enough these statistics appear to suggest otherwise, last 3 seasons apart the opposite is in fact the case.

Ave Attendance          ITFC             NCFC

2009                           20,951           24,543
2008                           21,935           24,523
2007                           22,445           24,545
2006                           24,253           24,952
2005                           25,651           24,350
2004                           24,520           18,987
2003                           25,455           20,353
2002                           24,426           18,644
2001                           22,532           16,525
2000                           18,524           15,539
1999                           16,932           15,760
1998                           14,893           14,445

As ive stated previously too, taking into account the difference in populations we are far and away the better supported club, us being a little "Town" whilst Norwich is a "Large" city. Your words not mine.
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Okay so then work out the % of capacity, I think you''ll find that we sold out virtually every home game implying that there is the potential for further growth wheras portaloo road only sells out once a year when Noriwch come to town, and even then it''s a push...

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This over simplified comparison is not hugely relevant without further information - for instance, what division the clubs were in and what the relative capacities were need to be considered.  In a higher division/when things are going well, it is far more likely that higher attendances will be achieved; in larger stadia the sellouts (admittedly few in the binners'' case, as they are so badly supported) will skew the average upwards and give almost a false value - it would be far more useful to consider ther relative % of capacity, or the median.

But whatever, even using these simple figures, we have been crap for the last 3 years but have averaged nigh-on 4,000 more for each and every game.  What does that tell you about glory-hunting Binner fans (though it has to be said that ''glory hunting'' isn''t really a term you can use for either of us tbh!!)?!

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[quote user="bluemike"]I couldn''t help but notice how much importance is put on attendances by you guys on this board, playing on the fact NCFC are the best supported club in East Anglia. Funnily enough these statistics appear to suggest otherwise, last 3 seasons apart the opposite is in fact the case.

Ave Attendance          ITFC             NCFC

2009                           20,951           24,543
2008                           21,935           24,523
2007                           22,445           24,545
2006                           24,253           24,952

2005                           25,651           24,350
2004                           24,520           18,987
2003                           25,455           20,353
2002                           24,426           18,644
2001                           22,532           16,525
2000                           18,524           15,539
1999                           16,932           15,760
1998                           14,893           14,445

As ive stated previously too, taking into account the difference in populations we are far and away the better supported club, us being a little "Town" whilst Norwich is a "Large" city. Your words not mine.
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I know there is a debate going on about percentages of stuff and whatnot, i just thought i''d point out its 4 seasons not 3. No one else seemed to notice that.

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Thank you someone for pointing out that Norwich doesn''t have over 100,000 more population than Ipswich.

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