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It seems to me that these are the 3 groups of fans that think they can in their own way maybe influence in some way the situation at the club.

The trust (Mike Reynolds)  made their position clear at the meeting at St Andrews Hall, they would be happy for people to donate their rebates to them so that they can buy more shares to give them a bigger pot ( think they hold £25k worth at the moment) and I believe they want a fan on the board

NCISA also have had their say in their two press statements and various posts on here, so they keep us pretty well informed.

Norwich City Kitty don''t seem to have made any appeals to donate our money to their fund and up until this past week don''t seem to have much to say about the club''s situation

In Dec 2007 (cannycanary - Steve) posted

[quote]If an active body working along side / with the club that collecting donations for players Additional Transfer fees.

25,000 Supporters per game Plus countless supporters who follow the club want success. Plus Business support.

Surely if this was promoted enough, and stuctured right where the supporters contribute regularly, maybe the club could compete properly for the signature of quality football players.

I think it could generate 5-10 million per annum maybe more depending on the supporters if it was done right..[/quote]

Yesterday cannycanary posted

[quote]I said 14 months ago supporters needed to pull together and use their support to generate funds but alas most on here know better, don''t they? [/quote]

So its been nearly a year now since the Kitty was launched so

1) Could we have an update as to how much money has been raised. as if its a substancial amount then it might be worth some people channeling their rebates that way if they wish to.

2) When will the money raised be given to the club or has it been?

3) Why didn''t you speak at St Andrews hall to futher advertise your cause and ask for the rebates to be donated to your fund?

I have tried asking for the funds update a few times in various threads but you might have missed them and I''ve tried asking on your website forum but there''s been no reply plus your forum doesn''t look like its being used much.

Thanks CA .

 

 

 

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CA (or anyone else who was at the NCISA meeting) was there not mention of another group, the shareholders association??

I would be interested in finding out more about them.

Over the last three or four years I have spoken with the trust and never really been that impressed with what they have to say.  I think they like the sound of their own vocies! ...and I get the impression that they would glady use everyone elses money to cosy up with the board.

 

 

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If the Kitty is still (and it seems so) in operation is it a secret or could the organisers let on how much has been raised so far.

If it is another alternative to help the club then surely NOW is the time to come to the table.

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[quote user="cityangel"]

It seems to me that these are the 3 groups of fans that think they can in their own way maybe influence in some way the situation at the club.

The trust (Mike Reynolds)  made their position clear at the meeting at St Andrews Hall, they would be happy for people to donate their rebates to them so that they can buy more shares to give them a bigger pot ( think they hold £25k worth at the moment) and I believe they want a fan on the board

NCISA also have had their say in their two press statements and various posts on here, so they keep us pretty well informed.

Norwich City Kitty don''t seem to have made any appeals to donate our money to their fund and up until this past week don''t seem to have much to say about the club''s situation

In Dec 2007 (cannycanary - Steve) posted

[quote]If an active body working along side / with the club that collecting donations for players Additional Transfer fees.

25,000 Supporters per game Plus countless supporters who follow the club want success. Plus Business support.

Surely if this was promoted enough, and stuctured right where the supporters contribute regularly, maybe the club could compete properly for the signature of quality football players.

I think it could generate 5-10 million per annum maybe more depending on the supporters if it was done right..[/quote]

Yesterday cannycanary posted

[quote]I said 14 months ago supporters needed to pull together and use their support to generate funds but alas most on here know better, don''t they? [/quote]

So its been nearly a year now since the Kitty was launched so

1) Could we have an update as to how much money has been raised. as if its a substancial amount then it might be worth some people channeling their rebates that way if they wish to.

2) When will the money raised be given to the club or has it been?

3) Why didn''t you speak at St Andrews hall to futher advertise your cause and ask for the rebates to be donated to your fund?

I have tried asking for the funds update a few times in various threads but you might have missed them and I''ve tried asking on your website forum but there''s been no reply plus your forum doesn''t look like its being used much.

Thanks CA .

 

 

 

[/quote]The kitty web page I believe gives figures up to dec 08 which show the kitty to be very poorly subscribed to, I for one made a monthly subscription from the start but by the looks of the figures there must only be about 20 of us doing it.I think this is a missed opportunity, a very good creation which has taken some considerable effort.Even if supporters didn''t want to make a donation they had only to make the page there homepage to raise hit levels thus generating more marketing.I am not a supporter of the board or the manager but I believe whoever is in place will do better with money than without it.People will come on here and rattle on about making points but I doubt very much if these peoplee would have made a monthly subscription whoever the board was

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Yes they did update their page on the 1st Dec to say they had raised £900, but that was 6 months ago so the figure may be a lot more than that now.

Plus I''m still interested to hear why they haven''t put their case forward for the season ticket holders to maybe donate their rebates to the Kitty, would have thought this would be an ideal opportunity for them.

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cityangel - [quote]Yes they did update their page on the 1st Dec to say they had raised £900, but that was 6 months ago so the figure may be a lot more than that now.[/quote]

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Cmon Steve, reply to my original post, this could be the time for you to get more support for your project.

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[quote user="cityangel"]Cmon Steve, reply to my original post, this could be the time for you to get more support for your project.[/quote]

Must be stuck on his litter tray!

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[quote user="Hairdresser"]For those (like me) who''ve not heard of these before...http://norwichkitty.com/[/quote]Thanks, I just had a look. It seems a shame to me that they don''t get more support. Their website is obviously the product of quite a lot of effort.

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I think the website is crap, it is all stuff from other websites and looks poor. But I thought it might go on to something big but seems to have stalled.

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[quote user="Canaries in Bed"]I think the website is crap, it is all stuff from other websites and looks poor. But I thought it might go on to something big but seems to have stalled.[/quote]Given that it was created by willing volunteers though, I thought that it showed potential and had some good ideas behind it.

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[quote user="Badger"]

Given that it was created by willing volunteers though, I thought that it showed potential and had some good ideas behind it.
[/quote]

I thought so too which is why I''m surprised they haven''t made their pitch for any unwanted rebates and weren''t represented at the meeting like the Trust were..

Yes the scheme and website was designed by willing volunteers in their own time so we should applaud their efforts just like we should maybe appreciate the efforts that any other group of fans make in their spare time too.

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Hiya, Sorry for my late response it has been a lovely day and i was making the most of it.

Subsciptions money for the first period was low as explained here, http://www.norwichkitty.com/section/1/funds/  the remainder of the money was raised through activity through the committee members.

I will update these figures for you after our next general meeting which is to be held in June when the treasurer updates me the full figures which are in the bank account.. I have no access to this.

I did not attend the NCISA meeting, nor do i think has it has helped this footabll club we support. Please don''t think because we aren''t shouting that nothing is happening, in the next month we have lots to present and we hope this time it will be enough to warrant Norwich City supporters support.

My whole point since starting this is that the supporters are the club, supporters go to the club to watch football so the players are the most important thing. Raising funds to be spent soley on players has to be what we want, we have seen that a director also see''s it that way so why not keep the ball rolling and get this club back to where it belongs.

We need a machine (Website) that keeps raising funds and by using our support we will make the money flow. I believe what i am doing will work that''s why i have put so much work into it and that''s why the site is still there.. It will also get much better.

Look at this: and i haven''t put in 1/10th of what i can do yet... but with some encouragement from supporters i would spend more time on it... 

Norwich Kitty - position no:2

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2GGLL_en&q=norwich+business+directory&btnG=Search&meta=

I am a SEO specialist my job is to generate traffic from search engines and that traffic is then turned into revenue..

My website is here:

website-serve.com - position no:1

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2GGLL_en&q=seo+specialist+norfolk&meta=

Please wait for the new advances and anouncements... It won''t be long I promise..

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Thanks for the reply Steve although I still think that you could have used the meeting at St Andrews hall to pitch for any rebates that people didn''t want to keep.

Would also have been nice if all the various groups of people involved in trying to help the club would come together as one, if you get my drift.

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Hiya, Sorry for my late response it has been a lovely day and i was making the most of it.

Subsciptions money for the first period was low as explained here, http://www.norwichkitty.com/section/1/funds/  the remainder of the money was raised through activity through the committee members.

I will update these figures for you after our next general meeting which is to be held in June when the treasurer updates me the full figures which are in the bank account.. I have no access to this.

I did not attend the NCISA meeting, nor do i think has it has helped this footabll club we support. Please don''t think because we aren''t shouting that nothing is happening, in the next month we have lots to present and we hope this time it will be enough to warrant Norwich City supporters support.

My whole point since starting this is that the supporters are the club, supporters go to the club to watch football so the players are the most important thing. Raising funds to be spent soley on players has to be what we want, we have seen that a director also see''s it that way so why not keep the ball rolling and get this club back to where it belongs.

We need a machine (Website) that keeps raising funds and by using our support we will make the money flow. I believe what i am doing will work that''s why i have put so much work into it and that''s why the site is still there.. It will also get much better.

Look at this: and i haven''t put in 1/10th of what i can do yet... but with some encouragement from supporters i would spend more time on it... 

Norwich Kitty - position no:2

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2GGLL_en&q=norwich+business+directory&btnG=Search&meta=

I am a SEO specialist my job is to generate traffic from search engines and that traffic is then turned into revenue..

My website is here:

website-serve.com - position no:1

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2GGLL_en&q=seo+specialist+norfolk&meta=

Please wait for the new advances and anouncements... It won''t be long I promise..

[/quote]It looks like a great idea to me. Go for it!Perhaps you could get some publicity for it in the local media?

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Hiya, Sorry for my late response it has been a lovely day and i was making the most of it.

Subsciptions money for the first period was low as explained here, http://www.norwichkitty.com/section/1/funds/  the remainder of the money was raised through activity through the committee members.

I will update these figures for you after our next general meeting which is to be held in June when the treasurer updates me the full figures which are in the bank account.. I have no access to this.

I did not attend the NCISA meeting, nor do i think has it has helped this footabll club we support. Please don''t think because we aren''t shouting that nothing is happening, in the next month we have lots to present and we hope this time it will be enough to warrant Norwich City supporters support.

My whole point since starting this is that the supporters are the club, supporters go to the club to watch football so the players are the most important thing. Raising funds to be spent soley on players has to be what we want, we have seen that a director also see''s it that way so why not keep the ball rolling and get this club back to where it belongs.

We need a machine (Website) that keeps raising funds and by using our support we will make the money flow. I believe what i am doing will work that''s why i have put so much work into it and that''s why the site is still there.. It will also get much better.

Look at this: and i haven''t put in 1/10th of what i can do yet... but with some encouragement from supporters i would spend more time on it... 

Norwich Kitty - position no:2

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2GGLL_en&q=norwich+business+directory&btnG=Search&meta=

I am a SEO specialist my job is to generate traffic from search engines and that traffic is then turned into revenue..

My website is here:

website-serve.com - position no:1

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2GGLL_en&q=seo+specialist+norfolk&meta=

Please wait for the new advances and anouncements... It won''t be long I promise..

[/quote]

Sorry but I cant offer my support to your cause. Not because I dont think that its a sincere and passionate idea from a genuine City fan, I respect you for that, but its the overall ethos of your organisation.

My main problem with such a scheme is that the money will at some stage be donated to the club, who have effectively spent our transfer money on land. There are no guarentees that a donation to the club for transfer fees will be spent on transfer fees, as there can never be transparency about the existing budget (for obvious reasons).

Say for example the club decided that the transfer budget this year was 500k, and your website had managed to raise 25k. There is absolutely no way of knowing whether or not the transfer budget would become 525k or remain at 500k.

I simply do not trust the board with money. I also have a bit of knowledge of SEO and run a few little sites which make some decent adsense revenues, however I must add that your site isnt the easiest to find on google when you have forgotten the name (I looked a few weeks back, it had a very low page rank for most search terms), anyway that is irrelevant.

My main issues is that your money will be donated to the club, whilst the Supporters Trust purchases shares. As there is unissued share capital, a £5,000 share purchase would generate the same amount of money for the club as a £5,000 donation, but a share purchase would place a larger part of the club in the hands of the fans and help secure the future of the club (see AFC Wimbledon).

I cannot see the logic in giving the club money for no return after they spent 450k on agents fees, when they club could still get that money but the shareholders have to lose a small bit of equity as a result.

 

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[quote user="ryan85k"][quote user="Cannycanary"]

Hiya, Sorry for my late response it has been a lovely day and i was making the most of it.

Subsciptions money for the first period was low as explained here, http://www.norwichkitty.com/section/1/funds/  the remainder of the money was raised through activity through the committee members.

I will update these figures for you after our next general meeting which is to be held in June when the treasurer updates me the full figures which are in the bank account.. I have no access to this.

I did not attend the NCISA meeting, nor do i think has it has helped this footabll club we support. Please don''t think because we aren''t shouting that nothing is happening, in the next month we have lots to present and we hope this time it will be enough to warrant Norwich City supporters support.

My whole point since starting this is that the supporters are the club, supporters go to the club to watch football so the players are the most important thing. Raising funds to be spent soley on players has to be what we want, we have seen that a director also see''s it that way so why not keep the ball rolling and get this club back to where it belongs.

We need a machine (Website) that keeps raising funds and by using our support we will make the money flow. I believe what i am doing will work that''s why i have put so much work into it and that''s why the site is still there.. It will also get much better.

Look at this: and i haven''t put in 1/10th of what i can do yet... but with some encouragement from supporters i would spend more time on it... 

Norwich Kitty - position no:2

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2GGLL_en&q=norwich+business+directory&btnG=Search&meta=

I am a SEO specialist my job is to generate traffic from search engines and that traffic is then turned into revenue..

My website is here:

website-serve.com - position no:1

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2GGLL_en&q=seo+specialist+norfolk&meta=

Please wait for the new advances and anouncements... It won''t be long I promise..

[/quote]

Sorry but I cant offer my support to your cause. Not because I dont think that its a sincere and passionate idea from a genuine City fan, I respect you for that, but its the overall ethos of your organisation.

My main problem with such a scheme is that the money will at some stage be donated to the club, who have effectively spent our transfer money on land. There are no guarentees that a donation to the club for transfer fees will be spent on transfer fees, as there can never be transparency about the existing budget (for obvious reasons).

Say for example the club decided that the transfer budget this year was 500k, and your website had managed to raise 25k. There is absolutely no way of knowing whether or not the transfer budget would become 525k or remain at 500k.

I simply do not trust the board with money. I also have a bit of knowledge of SEO and run a few little sites which make some decent adsense revenues, however I must add that your site isnt the easiest to find on google when you have forgotten the name (I looked a few weeks back, it had a very low page rank for most search terms), anyway that is irrelevant.

My main issues is that your money will be donated to the club, whilst the Supporters Trust purchases shares. As there is unissued share capital, a £5,000 share purchase would generate the same amount of money for the club as a £5,000 donation, but a share purchase would place a larger part of the club in the hands of the fans and help secure the future of the club (see AFC Wimbledon).

I cannot see the logic in giving the club money for no return after they spent 450k on agents fees, when they club could still get that money but the shareholders have to lose a small bit of equity as a result.

[/quote]

 

In addition the global google search volume for the phrase ''Norwich Business Directory'' is 170 a month. The local search volume is 91, so the rest could be potentially other Norwich''s (e.g. USA).  170 searchs a month really isnt going to get you much traffic. If you need any advice as to how to maximise revenues from adsense then let me know.

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I''m going to jump in here as at present there seems to be a lot of scepticism around the Kitty and very few admitting that it is actually a good idea.I''ve been involved with the project for a good few months now, some of you know me under a different user name and tbh I mainly use WOTB to talk all things Norwich, and not as the case may be.I work in affiliate marketing and saw the Kitty as a great opportunity to allow fans to give something to the club in exchange for something they actually wanted.  The Kitty have said all along that the money raised will be used to fund player transfers.We have seen faced several obstacles in recent months in light of the current economic climate, the relegation etc etc please do not however take our lack of media exposure and the "radio silence" as a sign that we have given up or that the project is not still on going.In light of recent comments by the club, maybe now is the time for us to start shouting and allow the fans to put money in via the rebate etc, at the same time we are working with the fans towards a goal shared by your club, the success and survival of the club.  As such we a re open to suggestions and comments on fundraising initiatives, yet will not fight fans for their money if they choose not to claim the rebate.Please be patient with us, I see no reason for the negativity shown by many parties at the end of the day, if you dont want to put money into the Kitty we will not force you to.  Steve has been working hard behind the scenes on the business directory and recent meetings have opened several new avenues for us.You support will help make this a success.

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Ok, like i said the amount of effort put into search engine placement has been low and as i said it''s about a 1/10th of what i can achieve. My wife has an ecommerce store which i do the seo on. look for j-lou.com

Ladies Fashion. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=ladies+fashion&meta=&rlz=1R2GGLL_en&aq=f&oq=

165000 searches in April

Ladies Clothing http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2GGLL_en&ei=-W0iSqedK6GZjAedm-GzBg&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=ladies+clothing&spell=1

450,000 searches in april

Ladies Clothes http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=ladies+clothes&meta=&rlz=1R2GGLL_en&aq=f&oq=

246,000 searches in april

Ladies tops http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2GGLL_en&q=ladies+tops&meta=

135,000 searches in April

This website comes up first page for hundreds of search terms. Another factor you should also be aware of is age of a domain is important for search engine placement and the Kitty and my webserve site are just over a year old..

Here is a site i have also been working on.

Crystal reflection.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2GGLL_en&q=crystals&btnG=Search&meta=

1,220,000 searches in april

So as for trying to undermine my capabilities i would be very careful.

 

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[quote user="conker"]I''m going to jump in here as at present there seems to be a lot of scepticism around the Kitty and very few admitting that it is actually a good idea.

I''ve been involved with the project for a good few months now, some of you know me under a different user name and tbh I mainly use WOTB to talk all things Norwich, and not as the case may be.

I work in affiliate marketing and saw the Kitty as a great opportunity to allow fans to give something to the club in exchange for something they actually wanted.  The Kitty have said all along that the money raised will be used to fund player transfers.

We have seen faced several obstacles in recent months in light of the current economic climate, the relegation etc etc please do not however take our lack of media exposure and the "radio silence" as a sign that we have given up or that the project is not still on going.

In light of recent comments by the club, maybe now is the time for us to start shouting and allow the fans to put money in via the rebate etc, at the same time we are working with the fans towards a goal shared by your club, the success and survival of the club.  As such we a re open to suggestions and comments on fundraising initiatives, yet will not fight fans for their money if they choose not to claim the rebate.

Please be patient with us, I see no reason for the negativity shown by many parties at the end of the day, if you dont want to put money into the Kitty we will not force you to.  Steve has been working hard behind the scenes on the business directory and recent meetings have opened several new avenues for us.

You support will help make this a success.


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May I suggest a healthy alternative? contrary to negativity, I have a lot of experience in affiliate marketing. Why not sign up to affiliate offers such as paid daily clicks (e.g. Kelkoo, Compare search etc) .  As well as other affiliate offers that offer no spend payments? such as signing up to survey sites which can pay up to £1.50 a time for 30 seconds of somebody registering? I can provide you wish a list of affiliate networks that have large amount of incentive permitted and no spend offers.

Then kindly ask that people sign up to these offers once and a while (I own a cashback site and make a lot of money from this as a commercial venture). You will make a lot more money than you will from adsense or selling adspace.

Simple as really, maybe on a seperate page of your site, maybe as a new site. Simply brushing me aside as a negative poster, just because I dont particularly relate to the cause, doesnt mean that I cant help you out. I have built pretty complex scripts from scratch, run two online businesses, and in nutshell make a lot of money.

Like I said, I still prefer trusts that buy shares, but I would be willing to help you as a gesture of goodwill. Whether you choose to accept that offer is up to you, but my cashback site takes £4k a month (turnover, I have to pay 40-50% of that to members). Prefering another trust is no different from me preferring the manifesto of a different political party, just because your doing good doesnt mean that I have to think the sun shines out of your backside mate.

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Ok, like i said the amount of effort put into search engine placement has been low and as i said it''s about a 1/10th of what i can achieve. My wife has an ecommerce store which i do the seo on. look for j-lou.com

Ladies Fashion. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=ladies+fashion&meta=&rlz=1R2GGLL_en&aq=f&oq=

165000 searches in April

Ladies Clothing http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2GGLL_en&ei=-W0iSqedK6GZjAedm-GzBg&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=ladies+clothing&spell=1

450,000 searches in april

Ladies Clothes http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=ladies+clothes&meta=&rlz=1R2GGLL_en&aq=f&oq=

246,000 searches in april

Ladies tops http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2GGLL_en&q=ladies+tops&meta=

135,000 searches in April

This website comes up first page for hundreds of search terms. Another factor you should also be aware of is age of a domain is important for search engine placement and the Kitty and my webserve site are just over a year old..

Here is a site i have also been working on.

Crystal reflection.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2GGLL_en&q=crystals&btnG=Search&meta=

1,220,000 searches in april

So as for trying to undermine my capabilities i would be very careful.

 

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Contrary to undermining your capabilities I was actually considering using your services, I have no interest in looking at the sites you are working on, I would be more interested in what you could do with mine. I am not a SEO expert, I check keyword terms when purchasing domains to fill with cheap articles and adsense ads. I was simply pointing out that not many people would search for the term ''Norwich Business Directory'', as I am sure you will acknowledge.

 

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I have to make it clear to all on here that i know what i am talking about,  if supporters could get behind my knowledge we can produce a website that will make a vast difference to this club..

I have stated time and again that my understanding of SEO is extensive and the contacts i have build up can produce websites capable of achieving extremely high volume traffic.

I have some radical ideas and vast amounts of data that''s available for the success of this..  

We will be arranging meetings soon for supporters to attend so that they can get a better understanding of where this idea is going and how they can help from the comfort of their home..

 

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[quote user="Cannycanary"]

I have to make it clear to all on here that i know what i am talking about,  if supporters could get behind my knowledge we can produce a website that will make a vast difference to this club..

I have stated time and again that my understanding of SEO is extensive and the contacts i have build up can produce websites capable of achieving extremely high volume traffic.

I have some radical ideas and vast amounts of data that''s available for the success of this..  

We will be arranging meetings soon for supporters to attend so that they can get a better understanding of where this idea is going and how they can help from the comfort of their home..

 

[/quote]

So you are not prepared to even acknowledge my offer to discuss ideas with you, and utilise my business experience?

Firstly, most people on here wont even know what SEO is, neither will most people on here understand how that traffic gains revenue. Your site has no ''About us'' page, which means that any Norwich fan that isnt from the Pink Un wont know what your trying to achieve or how you will go about it. Therefore they are likely to dismiss your site as a scam, particularly as all content is clearly automated so there is no evidence that the site is still functional.

Secondly, you have no details about the members of the fund, or offer any legal notes that offer protection and assurance to those that donate. Its ok telling everybody how much traffic your site will get, but the only business model I can see is donations and people paying to advertise.

Actually forget it, I will start my own business model and use the funds to purchase shares in the club, under a formal legal entity.

 

 

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[quote user="conker"]I''m going to jump in here as at present there seems to be a lot of scepticism around the Kitty and very few admitting that it is actually a good idea.

I''ve been involved with the project for a good few months now, some of you know me under a different user name and tbh I mainly use WOTB to talk all things Norwich, and not as the case may be.

I work in affiliate marketing and saw the Kitty as a great opportunity to allow fans to give something to the club in exchange for something they actually wanted.  The Kitty have said all along that the money raised will be used to fund player transfers.

We have seen faced several obstacles in recent months in light of the current economic climate, the relegation etc etc please do not however take our lack of media exposure and the "radio silence" as a sign that we have given up or that the project is not still on going.

In light of recent comments by the club, maybe now is the time for us to start shouting and allow the fans to put money in via the rebate etc, at the same time we are working with the fans towards a goal shared by your club, the success and survival of the club.  As such we a re open to suggestions and comments on fundraising initiatives, yet will not fight fans for their money if they choose not to claim the rebate.

Please be patient with us, I see no reason for the negativity shown by many parties at the end of the day, if you dont want to put money into the Kitty we will not force you to.  Steve has been working hard behind the scenes on the business directory and recent meetings have opened several new avenues for us.

You support will help make this a success.


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May I suggest a healthy alternative? contrary to negativity, I have a lot of experience in affiliate marketing. Why not sign up to affiliate offers such as paid daily clicks (e.g. Kelkoo, Compare search etc) .  As well as other affiliate offers that offer no spend payments? such as signing up to survey sites which can pay up to £1.50 a time for 30 seconds of somebody registering? I can provide you wish a list of affiliate networks that have large amount of incentive permitted and no spend offers.

Then kindly ask that people sign up to these offers once and a while (I own a cashback site and make a lot of money from this as a commercial venture). You will make a lot more money than you will from adsense or selling adspace.

Simple as really, maybe on a seperate page of your site, maybe as a new site. Simply brushing me aside as a negative poster, just because I dont particularly relate to the cause, doesnt mean that I cant help you out. I have built pretty complex scripts from scratch, run two online businesses, and in nutshell make a lot of money.

Like I said, I still prefer trusts that buy shares, but I would be willing to help you as a gesture of goodwill. Whether you choose to accept that offer is up to you, but my cashback site takes £4k a month (turnover, I have to pay 40-50% of that to members). Prefering another trust is no different from me preferring the manifesto of a different political party, just because your doing good doesnt mean that I have to think the sun shines out of your backside mate.

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Hi Ryan, Thank You for your offer of help, we will be arranging some meetings shortly and new members are welcome. Like you I make a living from online activities, I believe there is huge potential, and would be glad to hear what ideas you can bring to this. Affiliate marketing is part of the concept but i''m sure there are many opportunities in this field.

There must be loads of talented individuals who are City supporters that could bring some much diversity to this.

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