ACE 0 Posted May 26, 2009 Bit ambitious for a tiny squad with no idea how many players we will need to bed in? Could be good IF we get the players in terms of giving them games, but they are going to need to get in about 10 new faces to ensure there is not burn-out before we kick a ball in anger? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
singing canary 0 Posted May 26, 2009 so the first game of the season our depleated squad are going to be injured or tired .another good move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pete Raven 276 Posted May 26, 2009 Take out the "Norwich XI" games and you''re left with the Scotland tour, two home games and two away games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duffman 0 Posted May 26, 2009 [quote user="Sports Desk - Pete"]Take out the "Norwich XI" games and you''re left with the Scotland tour, two home games and two away games.[/quote]Trouble is Manchester United XI will be full of kids. Norwich City''s first team will be full of kids so what the hell is a Norwich City XI going to look like? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I am a Banana 0 Posted May 26, 2009 11 footballers with norwich shirts on! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Chirp 0 Posted May 26, 2009 [quote user="singing canary"]so the first game of the season our depleated squad are going to be injured or tired .another good move.[/quote]boring! you lot really are a nightmare... you take every little thing you can and turn it into a negative... starting to wonder if Norwich fans are inbred after all... most of you seem to not be wired in the brain correctly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACE 0 Posted May 26, 2009 Sounds like a legitimate concern - so only a blinkered buffoon would describe it as a "negative". I would say burnout is realistic unless the squad size increases drmatically - which is no negative, but a genuine concern.And Pete - yes startg 11''s but if we only have about 15 to choose from then a starting 11 MUST contain first team players.[quote user="The Chirp"][quote user="singing canary"]so the first game of the season our depleated squad are going to be injured or tired .another good move.[/quote]boring! you lot really are a nightmare... you take every little thing you can and turn it into a negative... starting to wonder if Norwich fans are inbred after all... most of you seem to not be wired in the brain correctly. [/quote] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheCardinal 0 Posted May 26, 2009 [quote user="The Chirp"][quote user="singing canary"]so the first game of the season our depleated squad are going to be injured or tired .another good move.[/quote]boring! you lot really are a nightmare... you take every little thing you can and turn it into a negative... starting to wonder if Norwich fans are inbred after all... most of you seem to not be wired in the brain correctly. [/quote]Totally agree. If we didn''t have a lot of friendlies, it would be "Why isn''t the team being given time to gel together?"Some of you lot need to get out more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACE 0 Posted May 26, 2009 The point raised was very simply, so even people like you can understand it, was that 11 seems to many for the size of squad we have and look like obtaining. Ok so question back - do you think 11 friendlies is the right amount for a small squad?[quote user="TheMarshmallowMonkey"][quote user="The Chirp"][quote user="singing canary"]so the first game of the season our depleated squad are going to be injured or tired .another good move.[/quote]boring! you lot really are a nightmare... you take every little thing you can and turn it into a negative... starting to wonder if Norwich fans are inbred after all... most of you seem to not be wired in the brain correctly. [/quote]Totally agree. If we didn''t have a lot of friendlies, it would be "Why isn''t the team being given time to gel together?"Some of you lot need to get out more.[/quote] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joanna Grey 0 Posted May 26, 2009 Word on the street is that we need so many friendlies to sort out the vetting of the Triallists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Chirp 0 Posted May 26, 2009 people like you? um ok! I will answer your question with one back... (hopefully people like you can understand it *tongue is in cheek here...*)Do you think the size of the squad we have currently will increase in size or stay the same? My guess is... it will get bigger... therefore 11 games is fine... the youth team as in the 1st and second year players will play a lot of games... maybe we''ll have triallists playing who knows? Either way the original negative look at the 11 games was a bit... well... typical of the kind of stuff that is now found on this once interesting messageboard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,655 Posted May 26, 2009 I actually make it 10 games ??, of which I would say that for 4 of them we would field a reserve/academy side, so 6 pre-season matches for the first team squad isn''t that bad? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pete Raven 276 Posted May 26, 2009 [quote user="GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary"]I actually make it 10 games ??, of which I would say that for 4 of them we would field a reserve/academy side, so 6 pre-season matches for the first team squad isn''t that bad?[/quote]Correct, it''s 10, and take out the Norwich XI games, which will be the kids that won''t make the senior squad (see below) and you have 7 - which is the norm it seems going by seasons past.Norwich XI v King''s Lynn, July 2008:Nelson, Francomb, Habergham, Smith, Stephens, Kelly, Chadwick, Adeyemi, Renton (Davey, 66), Daley, Eagle (Lappin, 65) Subs not used: Richardson, Cooper, Clarke, Noble, Lathrope, Rudd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chicken 0 Posted May 26, 2009 Two things in response to this really, one is that last season there were very few reserve team fixtures and so it could be that the reserves will be given a run out at many of these games - and they will need it perhaps more than any others.The second thing is that many clubs in the premiership play up to that amount and play their youngsters in many of them. There will be the clubs going through the inter-toto cup route to the Europa league and the world club championships etc.If we were playing 11 actually competetive games of a similar level to our own I would be concerned but right now we are looking at Scotland and some XI teams which could yet mean we are playing very weakened teams.I suppose you could also throw in for a sprinkling of added reason - Drury, Hoolahan and Stefanovic (should they all remain to be Norwich players which I sincerely hope although Hoolahan is a cert gonna more or less) have already had a break in terms of an injury and will be looking to get much needed match practice and fitness to get back up to speed for next season. Its unlikely that many of the players will be featured in consecutive games or that if they are that it will be for the entire match.Gunn, Crook and Butterworth will also want to try out trialists and various tactics to see which players are best suited to which system and possibly even position.There are still many things to be established in our squad such as where some of the youngsters will fit in. Are any good enough to make the step up now, are some of them good enough to be understudies, will they need to be loaned out? Spillane can play central deffence, central midfield or right back - which will we need him in more - could Otsemobor do a job on the right of midfield?Nelson and Lappin - are they to stay? Rudd needs a string of games with the first team to have a chance to establish himself. If Nelson stays perhaps the same for him.There is so much yet to be answered I think it is very early to say whether we have a big enough squad to deal with it. If we don''t have enough senior pro''s at the club including the youngsters already on contracts then it is possible that we may have to scour the youth ranks for even more players in which case perhaps we should be looking at those players over the summer too and give some more of them the chance to play against higher oppisition to see how they cope.[quote user="ACE"]Sounds like a legitimate concern - so only a blinkered buffoon would describe it as a "negative". I would say burnout is realistic unless the squad size increases drmatically - which is no negative, but a genuine concern.And Pete - yes startg 11''s but if we only have about 15 to choose from then a starting 11 MUST contain first team players.[quote user="The Chirp"][quote user="singing canary"]so the first game of the season our depleated squad are going to be injured or tired .another good move.[/quote]boring! you lot really are a nightmare... you take every little thing you can and turn it into a negative... starting to wonder if Norwich fans are inbred after all... most of you seem to not be wired in the brain correctly. [/quote][/quote] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shefcanary 2,341 Posted May 26, 2009 [quote user="Sports Desk - Pete"][quote user="GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary"]I actually make it 10 games ??, of which I would say that for 4 of them we would field a reserve/academy side, so 6 pre-season matches for the first team squad isn''t that bad?[/quote]Correct, it''s 10, and take out the Norwich XI games, which will be the kids that won''t make the senior squad (see below) and you have 7 - which is the norm it seems going by seasons past.Norwich XI v King''s Lynn, July 2008:Nelson, Francomb, Habergham, Smith, Stephens, Kelly, Chadwick, Adeyemi, Renton (Davey, 66), Daley, Eagle (Lappin, 65) Subs not used: Richardson, Cooper, Clarke, Noble, Lathrope, Rudd [/quote]and don''t forget the warm ups in past season "behind closed doors". They''re just making them more public this season. Well sharing the money out a bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted May 26, 2009 Don''t care what we do pre-season, as long as we ''hit the ground running''. We need to start on a positive note. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CANARY CHARGE 0 Posted May 26, 2009 [quote user="ACE"]Sounds like a legitimate concern - so only a blinkered buffoon would describe it as a "negative". I would say burnout is realistic unless the squad size increases drmatically - which is no negative, but a genuine concern.And Pete - yes startg 11''s but if we only have about 15 to choose from then a starting 11 MUST contain first team players.[quote user="The Chirp"][quote user="singing canary"]so the first game of the season our depleated squad are going to be injured or tired .another good move.[/quote]boring! you lot really are a nightmare... you take every little thing you can and turn it into a negative... starting to wonder if Norwich fans are inbred after all... most of you seem to not be wired in the brain correctly. [/quote][/quote]Burnt out!!jesus thye would have had 2 months off!! and 5 grand a week! id turn out for that shyt! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wizard 0 Posted May 26, 2009 [quote user="singing canary"]so the first game of the season our depleated squad are going to be injured or tired .another good move.[/quote]Half the squad will be injured before the season bloody starts SC...........Great tactics Gunn.[:S] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camuldonum 0 Posted May 26, 2009 [quote user="First Wizard"][quote user="singing canary"] so the first game of the season our depleated squad are going to be injured or tired .another good move.[/quote]Half the squad will be injured before the season bloody starts SC...........Great tactics Gunn.[:S][/quote]Grow up Wiz. That is absolutely bleedin'' nonsense and you know it. You will be sending out "XI''s" to local clubs, reserves, academy maybe a couple of trialists. Every club does this: it makes a few hundred for the local lads whether it is Wroxham, Heybridge Swifts or Sleaford Town.Look on the bright side. If his agent can''t get him out you could have a chance to see Jamie lad in action.[:|] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACE 0 Posted May 26, 2009 This is where your ignorance of the club is getting in the way.Last season our local friendlies did require us to put out a lot of first team regulars, simply because Roeder did not have anyone in early enough. So it is not academy and trialists at all.[quote user="Camuldonum"][quote user="First Wizard"][quote user="singing canary"] so the first game of the season our depleated squad are going to be injured or tired .another good move.[/quote]Half the squad will be injured before the season bloody starts SC...........Great tactics Gunn.[:S][/quote]Grow up Wiz. That is absolutely bleedin'' nonsense and you know it. You will be sending out "XI''s" to local clubs, reserves, academy maybe a couple of trialists. Every club does this: it makes a few hundred for the local lads whether it is Wroxham, Heybridge Swifts or Sleaford Town.Look on the bright side. If his agent can''t get him out you could have a chance to see Jamie lad in action.[:|][/quote] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,598 Posted May 26, 2009 Quite so, Cam, but you see it doesn''t fit the "every single thing the club does is crap" line. For starters, it is actually only 10 games: Fakenham, Dartford, 3 in Scotland [the pinkun story seems to make it sound like 11 games by setting out the Raith Rovers game outside the tour], Dereham, Man U, Palace, Thetford, Wigan. Three of those games are advertised as "Norwich XI" games, which means Reserve/Youth [surely people realise this given that he Fakenham game is a day before the Dartford one, and the Thetford one is a day after Palace?], 3 are on tour where it is presumably more of a teambuilding thing and where most players will probably play 2-3 halves of football. That leaves 4 ''proper'' games (including Man U''s reserve/youth side) which for me is probably about right.Of course, things being as they are, we will get injuries and probably to key players, too - it seems to happen to us every year, but I don''t think our advertised pre-season this time is particularly different to usual.A quick scoot onto the binners site shows that they are playing similar: "The Blues have already confirmed friendlies against League One trio Charlton, Southend and Brentford, with local rivals Colchester playing against Town in Fabian Wilnis'' testimonial game. A game [Ireland tour] against Finn Harps has already been confirmed, and matches versus Cork City and Limerick are in the pipeline." That''s pretty much the same as us, the difference being is that the list a) doesn''t include ''reserve'' friendlies (I guarantee they will be playing several of the equivalent of Fakenham/Thetford/Dereham), nor b) what will presumably be a ''main'' final game. (Indeed, tbh, so far our preseason actually sounds better). Does this all mean that Roy Keane is an idiot - or, perhaps, that we are doing pretty much the same as usual, and pretty much the same as everyone else? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camuldonum 0 Posted May 26, 2009 [quote user="ACE"]This is where your ignorance of the club is getting in the way.Last season our local friendlies did require us to put out a lot of first team regulars, simply because Roeder did not have anyone in early enough. So it is not academy and trialists at all.[quote user="Camuldonum"][quote user="First Wizard"][quote user="singing canary"] so the first game of the season our depleated squad are going to be injured or tired .another good move.[/quote]Half the squad will be injured before the season bloody starts SC...........Great tactics Gunn.[:S][/quote] Grow up Wiz. That is absolutely bleedin'' nonsense and you know it. You will be sending out "XI''s" to local clubs, reserves, academy maybe a couple of trialists. Every club does this: it makes a few hundred for the local lads whether it is Wroxham, Heybridge Swifts or Sleaford Town.Look on the bright side. If his agent can''t get him out you could have a chance to see Jamie lad in action.[:|][/quote][/quote] Okay half the squad will be injured before the bloody season starts and it will be Gunn''s fault. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodwagon 0 Posted May 26, 2009 [quote user="Camuldonum"][quote user="ACE"]This is where your ignorance of the club is getting in the way.Last season our local friendlies did require us to put out a lot of first team regulars, simply because Roeder did not have anyone in early enough. So it is not academy and trialists at all.[quote user="Camuldonum"][quote user="First Wizard"][quote user="singing canary"] so the first game of the season our depleated squad are going to be injured or tired .another good move.[/quote]Half the squad will be injured before the season bloody starts SC...........Great tactics Gunn.[:S][/quote] Grow up Wiz. That is absolutely bleedin'' nonsense and you know it. You will be sending out "XI''s" to local clubs, reserves, academy maybe a couple of trialists. Every club does this: it makes a few hundred for the local lads whether it is Wroxham, Heybridge Swifts or Sleaford Town.Look on the bright side. If his agent can''t get him out you could have a chance to see Jamie lad in action.[:|][/quote][/quote] Okay half the squad will be injured before the bloody season starts and it will be Gunn''s fault. [/quote]Hells bells Cam, don''t fall into line with Wiz, your`ll be all dome and gloom next :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACE 0 Posted May 27, 2009 Snappy tonight isn''t he.[quote user="Camuldonum"][quote user="ACE"]This is where your ignorance of the club is getting in the way.Last season our local friendlies did require us to put out a lot of first team regulars, simply because Roeder did not have anyone in early enough. So it is not academy and trialists at all.[quote user="Camuldonum"][quote user="First Wizard"][quote user="singing canary"] so the first game of the season our depleated squad are going to be injured or tired .another good move.[/quote]Half the squad will be injured before the season bloody starts SC...........Great tactics Gunn.[:S][/quote] Grow up Wiz. That is absolutely bleedin'' nonsense and you know it. You will be sending out "XI''s" to local clubs, reserves, academy maybe a couple of trialists. Every club does this: it makes a few hundred for the local lads whether it is Wroxham, Heybridge Swifts or Sleaford Town.Look on the bright side. If his agent can''t get him out you could have a chance to see Jamie lad in action.[:|][/quote][/quote] Okay half the squad will be injured before the bloody season starts and it will be Gunn''s fault. [/quote] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camuldonum 0 Posted May 27, 2009 [quote user="Branston Pickle"]Quite so, Cam, but you see it doesn''t fit the "every single thing the club does is crap" line. For starters, it is actually only 10 games: Fakenham, Dartford, 3 in Scotland [the pinkun story seems to make it sound like 11 games by setting out the Raith Rovers game outside the tour], Dereham, Man U, Palace, Thetford, Wigan. Three of those games are advertised as "Norwich XI" games, which means Reserve/Youth [surely people realise this given that he Fakenham game is a day before the Dartford one, and the Thetford one is a day after Palace?], 3 are on tour where it is presumably more of a teambuilding thing and where most players will probably play 2-3 halves of football. That leaves 4 ''proper'' games (including Man U''s reserve/youth side) which for me is probably about right.Of course, things being as they are, we will get injuries and probably to key players, too - it seems to happen to us every year, but I don''t think our advertised pre-season this time is particularly different to usual.A quick scoot onto the binners site shows that they are playing similar: "The Blues have already confirmed friendlies against League One trio Charlton, Southend and Brentford, with local rivals Colchester playing against Town in Fabian Wilnis'' testimonial game. A game [Ireland tour] against Finn Harps has already been confirmed, and matches versus Cork City and Limerick are in the pipeline." That''s pretty much the same as us, the difference being is that the list a) doesn''t include ''reserve'' friendlies (I guarantee they will be playing several of the equivalent of Fakenham/Thetford/Dereham), nor b) what will presumably be a ''main'' final game. (Indeed, tbh, so far our preseason actually sounds better). Does this all mean that Roy Keane is an idiot - or, perhaps, that we are doing pretty much the same as usual, and pretty much the same as everyone else? [/quote]Colchester so far:July 2: TuScelle FC (Germany) awayJuly 11 Tiptree United awayJuly 21: Aston Villa homeJuly 23: Heybridge Swifts awayJuly 25: Ipswich Town away also tied in with the Wilnis testimonial July 28: Histon United awayJuly 30: Ebbsfleet United away Lincoln City so far:July 8: Ferencvaros (home)July 15: Boston United awayJuly 18: Bridlington awayJuly 19: Sleaford Town awayJuly 20: Arsenal XI (home)July 28: Sheffield United (home)Aug 1: Goole Town away (as you would).And if any of these buggers get injured in the process I shall duly blame either Lambo or Jacko as the case may be.[:|] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USAcanary 0 Posted May 27, 2009 [quote user="ACE"]Bit ambitious for a tiny squad with no idea how many players we will need to bed in? Could be good IF we get the players in terms of giving them games, but they are going to need to get in about 10 new faces to ensure there is not burn-out before we kick a ball in anger?[/quote]To be honest I think its a positive.Its almost certain the first team next year will be totally different and will include a lot of the younger players who have not played together much.As an example if we start with Martin/Cody up front they will need a few games to get things going.You won''t see much happening on the transfer front untill June 1stThere are going to be a LOT of free agents this year with many clubs going the younger/cheaper route.A lot of teams are willing to let even their best players go to cut costs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wizard 0 Posted May 27, 2009 [quote user="Camuldonum"][quote user="First Wizard"][quote user="singing canary"] so the first game of the season our depleated squad are going to be injured or tired .another good move.[/quote]Half the squad will be injured before the season bloody starts SC...........Great tactics Gunn.[:S][/quote]Grow up Wiz. That is absolutely bleedin'' nonsense and you know it. You will be sending out "XI''s" to local clubs, reserves, academy maybe a couple of trialists. Every club does this: it makes a few hundred for the local lads whether it is Wroxham, Heybridge Swifts or Sleaford Town.Look on the bright side. If his agent can''t get him out you could have a chance to see Jamie lad in action.[:|][/quote]Now this is what pees me off about you Cam, when I''m proved right, again! posters of your kind won''t have the grace to apologise to me for your cheap shots above.And the various types of players you describe, WILL make up our first team![:|] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
can u sit down please 0 Posted May 27, 2009 injured or tired? Get a grip! Pre season is all about regaining "match" fitness and there is no better way of getting that than playing.The games with the local clubs are invaluable to them, Gorleston made £11000 last year! Would you moan if it was Lowestoft?Personally I think it''s nice to see City doing this and giving something back. The scum are also playing Hadleigh, so it''s not just us who do it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites