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“NCISA demands that the board act quickly and decisively, and to this end, changes of personnel must take place within the boardroom.”

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Isn''t this just the most stupid demand you have ever read? Three of the Directors hold the majority of shares in the Club and are not going to sack themselves and the other two directors are paid employees of the three majority shareholders and just do their bidding. Why sack two willing work horses who will have to be paid compensation?

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[quote user="Bobert"]Isn''t this just the most stupid demand you have ever read? Three of the Directors hold the majority of shares in the Club and are not going to sack themselves and the other two directors are paid employees of the three majority shareholders and just do their bidding. Why sack two willing work horses who will have to be paid compensation?[/quote]

 

While the Stowmarket two have the majority shares, the season ticket holders have the power come early 2010 to renew their season tickets or not. Dont underestimate the effect of a big hole in the recurring revenues of this club after a severe round of cost cutting this summer.  

 

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[quote user="Bobert"]Isn''t this just the most stupid demand you have ever read? Three of the Directors hold the majority of shares in the Club and are not going to sack themselves and the other two directors are paid employees of the three majority shareholders and just do their bidding. Why sack two willing work horses who will have to be paid compensation?[/quote]If the dismissals resulted in the recruitment of someone more capable of playing devils advocate, offering alternatives, improving the decision making on key areas such as the appointment of coaching staff, then would it be such a bad thing ?  People who like / are used to getting their own way are not likely to appoint anyone who will argue with them though.

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[quote user="Sports Desk - Fernando Derveld"][quote user="Bobert"]Why sack two willing work horses who will have to be paid compensation?[/quote]Because one of them, certainly, is grossly incompetent?Cretinous post.[/quote]Ooh, libelous post - unless you can back it up with hard facts ? [:)]

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[quote user="blahblahblah"][quote user="Sports Desk - Fernando Derveld"][quote user="Bobert"]Why sack two willing work horses who will have to be paid compensation?[/quote]

Because one of them, certainly, is grossly incompetent?

Cretinous post.
[/quote]

Ooh, libelous post - unless you can back it up with hard facts ? [:)]
[/quote]

I think the facts are there for all to see in black and white blah... a Div 3 FOOTBALL CLUB for the first time in 50 years making £10,000+ per week losses.

If that is not incompetent then what is???  [:$]

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[quote user="Smudger"]

[quote user="blahblahblah"][quote user="Sports Desk - Fernando Derveld"][quote user="Bobert"]Why sack two willing work horses who will have to be paid compensation?[/quote]Because one of them, certainly, is grossly incompetent?Cretinous post.[/quote]Ooh, libelous post - unless you can back it up with hard facts ? [:)][/quote]

I think the facts are there for all to see in black and white blah... a Div 3 FOOTBALL CLUB for the first time in 50 years making £10,000+ per week losses.

If that is not incompetent then what is???  [:$]

[/quote]So which one is incompetent ?  Who has been more incompetent than the others ?  Do you actually know what these people do for a living ?  If not, how can you benchmark them ?The league position demands a scapegoat I guess.  But will a sacrificial lamb actually improve anything ?  I doubt it.

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I do wonder where some people are coming from at times.  If this is such a stupid demand then what should replace it?

Clearly the Club has not been run to achieve its own aims as we are in the wrong division, have the wrong playing assets, and admit that we do not have the revenues to cover our costs.  We have a problem with satisfying a significant group of our supporters, and we appear unable to attract investment that meets the criteria of the Board.

So what do the Club do?

NCISA simply says that changes at the top are the first step to addressing problems, how can anyone (including the Board itself) argue with that?

Unless just possibly you haven''t thought about it.

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[quote]changes of personnel must take place within the boardroom[/quote]Ok - so who ?[quote]...we are in the wrong division...have the wrong playing assets...[/quote]This will result in a clear-out of players, and probably manager and coaches.[quote]... we do not have the revenues to cover our costs...[/quote]So you can''t ditch the majority shareholders, as they keep pumping just about enough money in to keep it afloat.  Which leaves us with Foulger, who provides more money, Mumbles and Doomy.Now I have no issue with removing either of them, but : are they responsible for the footballing decline, or are they just implementers of policies from on high ?  And if you can''t replace them with better, then why replace them ?  Would removing them result in just another yes man or two on the board ?Face - can you name better replacements ?  And how do you get people who won''t listen, to listen ?

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[quote user="blahblahblah"][quote]changes of personnel must take place within the boardroom[/quote]Ok - so who ?[quote]...we are in the wrong division...have the wrong playing assets...[/quote]This will result in a clear-out of players, and probably manager and coaches.[quote]... we do not have the revenues to cover our costs...[/quote]So you can''t ditch the majority shareholders, as they keep pumping just about enough money in to keep it afloat.  Which leaves us with Foulger, who provides more money, Mumbles and Doomy.Now I have no issue with removing either of them, but : are they responsible for the footballing decline, or are they just implementers of policies from on high ?  And if you can''t replace them with better, then why replace them ?  Would removing them result in just another yes man or two on the board ?Face - can you name better replacements ?  And how do you get people who won''t listen, to listen ?[/quote]Face ? Smudger ?  Anyone ?

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[quote user="blahblahblah"][quote]changes of personnel must take place within the boardroom[/quote]

Ok - so who ?

[quote]
...we are in the wrong division...have the wrong playing assets...[/quote]

This will result in a clear-out of players, and probably manager and coaches.

[quote]... we do not have the revenues to cover our costs...[/quote]

So you can''t ditch the majority shareholders, as they keep pumping just about enough money in to keep it afloat.  Which leaves us with Foulger, who provides more money, Mumbles and Doomy.

Now I have no issue with removing either of them, but : are they responsible for the footballing decline, or are they just implementers of policies from on high ?  And if you can''t replace them with better, then why replace them ?  Would removing them result in just another yes man or two on the board ?

Face - can you name better replacements ?  And how do you get people who won''t listen, to listen ?

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No we can''t replace the majority shareholders that''s an impossible task.

What can be done is make things difficult and embarassing for them and perhaps, just perhaps make them look more closely at investment, policies,recruitment,staff etc.

Doncaster has taken the queens shilling and therefore must be prepared to sacrifice himself for her good.

Lets face it he can afford a week or two on job seekers with his payout!

 

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[quote user="blahblahblah"][quote user="Smudger"]

[quote user="blahblahblah"][quote user="Sports Desk - Fernando Derveld"][quote user="Bobert"]Why sack two willing work horses who will have to be paid compensation?[/quote]

Because one of them, certainly, is grossly incompetent?

Cretinous post.
[/quote]

Ooh, libelous post - unless you can back it up with hard facts ? [:)]
[/quote]

I think the facts are there for all to see in black and white blah... a Div 3 FOOTBALL CLUB for the first time in 50 years making £10,000+ per week losses.

If that is not incompetent then what is???  [:$]

[/quote]

So which one is incompetent ?  Who has been more incompetent than the others ?  Do you actually know what these people do for a living ?  If not, how can you benchmark them ?

The league position demands a scapegoat I guess.  But will a sacrificial lamb actually improve anything ?  I doubt it.
[/quote]

Delia and Wynn Jones are obviously more incompetent than the others.

Munby and Doncaster are just competent fools following their employers and our wonderful incompetent duos orders silly. [:$]

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What NCISA should be calling for is more directors to the Board.

The current five maybe incompetent/competent according to your views but they are certainly experienced in the ways of Norwich City F.C. and their fans.

 Three, as a minimum, new directors versed in the ways of business, football and human relations would be a God send to the management.

I would suggest that Lotus Cars, BBC Sport , and Norwich Union (Ariva),  be approached and asked to release three of their top executives to act as part-time NCFC directors. In return the Club could advertise Norwich Union for free, allow BBC Sport to do a documentary on a relegated Club and give a Lotus Car as a prize in a Club Raffle!

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[quote user="Graham Humphrey"]Not nearly as stupid as starting a new thread on this when there''s one at the top of this forum.[/quote]

Graham some of us are lucky enough to have jobs and there is just not enough time to wade thru 150 posts to get to the end of a thread before making ones point. I think that maybe 20 or 30 posts should be the maximum to a thread.

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[quote user="The Butler"]

[quote user="blahblahblah"][quote]changes of personnel must take place within the boardroom[/quote]

Ok - so who ?

[quote]
...we are in the wrong division...have the wrong playing assets...[/quote]

This will result in a clear-out of players, and probably manager and coaches.

[quote]... we do not have the revenues to cover our costs...[/quote]

So you can''t ditch the majority shareholders, as they keep pumping just about enough money in to keep it afloat.  Which leaves us with Foulger, who provides more money, Mumbles and Doomy.

Now I have no issue with removing either of them, but : are they responsible for the footballing decline, or are they just implementers of policies from on high ?  And if you can''t replace them with better, then why replace them ?  Would removing them result in just another yes man or two on the board ?

Face - can you name better replacements ?  And how do you get people who won''t listen, to listen ?

[/quote]

No we can''t replace the majority shareholders that''s an impossible task.

What can be done is make things difficult and embarassing for them and perhaps, just perhaps make them look more closely at investment, policies,recruitment,staff etc.

Doncaster has taken the queens shilling and therefore must be prepared to sacrifice himself for her good.

Lets face it he can afford a week or two on job seekers with his payout!

 

[/quote]

It''s far from impossible to replace the majority shareholders,  the hardest part is getting them to realise that they have done their time at the club when they can''t see it themselves which in our boards case was about 4 years ago. Even in the current climate there are still clubs finding investment, I''m sure we would be the same if our majority shareholders were more open minded about the whole thing.

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