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rachel moore who writes a column in my local rag the lowestoft journal says the youth football powers that be are thinking of giving the ref powers to stop junior football games if one team is getting a hammering so they don`t get too despondant, has anyone else heard this ? as a father whos sons team has been on the end of a few drubbings down the years (though thankfully are getting much better as they get older) i can think of nothing more humiliating than having the ref stop the game like its a boxer taking too much punishment.. lifes hard, sports hard  and kids need to realise this [:D]

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I agree with you, but sadly the powers that be have a tendency to not think these things through.What''s the difference between 9-0 and 15-0? Not a lot if you''re on the losing team I wouldn''t have thought. You''d get kinda used to it after about the 7th I reckon...[:)]

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I remember getting gubbed 11-0 as a kid! I think stopping the game at 9 would have been worse. like getting defeated by knock out! we lost to the same team a fortnight later 2 - 1 which felt like a victory!

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rachel moore who writes a column in my local rag the lowestoft journal says the youth football powers that be are thinking of giving the ref powers to stop junior football games if one team is getting a hammering so they don`t get too despondant, has anyone else heard this ? as a father whos sons team has been on the end of a few drubbings down the years (though thankfully are getting much better as they get older) i can think of nothing more humiliating than having the ref stop the game like its a boxer taking too much punishment.. lifes hard, sports hard  and kids need to realise this [:D]

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Yes we broke the story last week - used in several of the Sundays and again in the Mail on Monday.  The idea is to be trialled by the FA amid a great deal of controversy.  The idea was thought up by a junior league in Lincolnshire and has been taken up by the FA who say they will "trial" it - presumably in Lincolnshire.  It is causing great discussion among parents and leagues - so far we cannot find very many in favour (apart from Lincolnshire) and many are dead against it.  The other junior leagues in Lincolnshire are against it, for example.

It gets slightly worse - there is a plan that if one player scores four or five goals he has to be taken off to "make it fair".  An alternative idea (?) is that if the score gets to 9-0 the teams are mixed up together to continue the match.

The point made in Lincolnshire is that kids who are hammered get a bad time at school the next day but that''s always been true - it''s a question of whether: "We beat you 19-0" is any worse than: "They had to stop the game........" as quite a number of parents and youth team managers said.

I wouldn''t be surprised if Brooking is the enthusiastic advocate at the FA. They didn''t really want to talk about it much but did confirm that the Lincolnshire idea is "under consideration" but would be trialled first.  Possibly next season but they hadn''t made a decision yet. His declared aim is to stop kids playing competitive football of any sort before the age of 14.  Very good footballer in his day but something inside the FA suit has sent him quite bonkers.

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found this from the daily mail

[/quote]Ah. Errrrm. Ok then....

Well, it was nice venting my spleen while it might have actually been reality, but the Daily Mail link puts that one to bed.

The most notorious paper for taking something out of context, blowing

it out of all proportion, twisting it beyond recognition, then having

the front to ask you for 50p to read it as "news".

I''m suprised they didn''t blame the whole thing on illegal immigrants or hoodies.

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[quote user="Herb"][quote user="pennywise "]

found this from the daily mail

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Ah. Errrrm. Ok then....
Well, it was nice venting my spleen while it might have actually been reality, but the Daily Mail link puts that one to bed.

The most notorious paper for taking something out of context, blowing it out of all proportion, twisting it beyond recognition, then having the front to ask you for 50p to read it as "news".
I''m suprised they didn''t blame the whole thing on illegal immigrants or hoodies.

[/quote]

LOL. Very true. The Mail and The Star are the biggest waste of a tree you will find.

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[quote user="Herb"][quote user="pennywise "]

found this from the daily mail

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Ah. Errrrm. Ok then....
Well, it was nice venting my spleen while it might have actually been reality, but the Daily Mail link puts that one to bed.

The most notorious paper for taking something out of context, blowing it out of all proportion, twisting it beyond recognition, then having the front to ask you for 50p to read it as "news".
I''m suprised they didn''t blame the whole thing on illegal immigrants or hoodies.

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well i am sorry , i looked for it in the socialist worker but they didn`t seem to be running that particular story [:D]

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[quote user="Arthur Whittle"]

[quote user="pennywise "] then again            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSSva2D5p64    [:D][/quote]

Such wonderful memorys...and some people say Andy Coles a tosser? Not that day he wasnt!

[/quote]Quality! Was round a mates listening to the game live on the radio that day and his brother (a scummer) retired upstairs in disgust after about the 4th goal to escape our hysterics. We kept shouting up the stairs as the goals flew in...to ever louder shouts of "**** off!" from him. I remember hearing the Man U fans singing "We want 10!"

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We used to regularly hammer out scores like 25-0 and 26-1 at 8,9 and 10 years old in the Norfolk Cubs football league back in the mid 70''s. Don''t think the County is full of mid 40''s psychologically depraved loonies who can all trace it back to a 22-2 drubbing on the pitch at Earlham 30 years ago, might be wrong but I think it was probably called ''character building'' back then.Mind you the boys of a generation and more ago were hard, I mean they got mud on their trousers, climbed trees, swam in the river, could eat without washing their hands after fishing and playing with frogs and didn''t know what an antibiotic was until they had children of their own.Still I guess nannying your children is probably the best preparation you can possibly give them for adult life in this bloody Country these days.

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Getting heavily beaten is were you learn whether someone had the strength to come back, or if they are weak and would never have amounted to anything anyway... stopping these games will just add to the ''it doens''t matter if you lose, so long as you tried'' attitude that is the reason why a lot of kids unfortunately grow up there day days being weak and pathetic ''unfortunate losers'' (see the current England football team - Ashley Cole in particular!).

A few years ago, I was the goalkeeper in a sunday league team beaten 20-0 in the Clifton Cup (In the Lincolnshire sunday league - we got a 2 page spread as it was the biggest defeat ever! Maybe Cam saw this in the Echo?), we came back from that and won 2 sucessive promotions and played the same team that beat us 20-0 a year later and held them to a 0-0 draw until the 90th minute. 

Getting beaten heavily didn''t do us any harm in the long run, in fact it probably helped!

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[quote user="Herb"][quote user="pennywise "]

found this from the daily mail

[/quote]

The most notorious paper for taking something out of context, blowing

it out of all proportion, twisting it beyond recognition, then having

the front to ask you for 50p to read it as "news".

[/quote]Are they Delia ''outers''?

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Our cub scout team lost 31-1 (perhaps it was 26?) about 30 years ago  plus a couple of other scores in the 20''s. We were the 17th Norwich and played in dark blue shirts. I couldn''t remember who we were playing but it may have been your lot! We also had the son of a famous Norwich striker up front, all to no avail. Strangely we actually had half a team of decent players. Perhaps we just lacked ''belief''. Unfortunately, the ''coach'' was one of the lads fathers who used to employ an interesting and ahead of its time rotation policy and I remember our keeper might as well not have been there but no-one else wanted to go in goal. We managed to keep our heads up somehow because I think we loved playing and despite the results we had a good team spirit so in the end it was great character building stuff. There was no major sulking or stropping off at all. We accepted defeat with handshakes. We played a team on the heartsease and only lost 11-0 which we saw as a really positive result. I don''t think we won any in that particular season but there was definitely a narrow 3-2 defeat and a 1-1 draw in the last game where we gave it in spades and ended the season on a massive high! Those were happy days.

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[quote user="Buckethead"]We used to regularly hammer out scores like 25-0 and 26-1 at 8,9 and 10 years old in the Norfolk Cubs football league back in the mid 70''s. Don''t think the County is full of mid 40''s psychologically depraved loonies who can all trace it back to a 22-2 drubbing on the pitch at Earlham 30 years ago, might be wrong but I think it was probably called ''character building'' back then.
Mind you the boys of a generation and more ago were hard, I mean they got mud on their trousers, climbed trees, swam in the river, could eat without washing their hands after fishing and playing with frogs and didn''t know what an antibiotic was until they had children of their own.

Still I guess nannying your children is probably the best preparation you can possibly give them for adult life in this bloody Country these days.
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Our cub scout team lost 31-1 (perhaps it was 26?) about 30 years ago  plus a couple of other scores in the 20''s. We were the 17th Norwich and played in dark blue shirts. I couldn''t remember who we were playing but it may have been your lot! We also had the son of a famous Norwich striker up front, all to no avail. Strangely we actually had half a team of decent players. Perhaps we just lacked ''belief''. Unfortunately, the ''coach'' was one of the lads fathers who used to employ an interesting and ahead of its time rotation policy and I remember our keeper might as well not have been there but no-one else wanted to go in goal. We managed to keep our heads up somehow because I think we loved playing and despite the results we had a good team spirit so in the end it was great character building stuff. There was no major sulking or stropping off at all. We accepted defeat with handshakes. We played a team on the heartsease and only lost 11-0 which we saw as a really positive result. I don''t think we won any in that particular season but there was definitely a narrow 3-2 defeat and a 1-1 draw in the last game where we gave it in spades and ended the season on a massive high! Those were happy days.

Definitely they learn to play to the final whistle whatever the score. It''s a valuable life lesson for them.

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Whilst I think the idea of abandoning a game at 9-0 is ridiculous, surely the act of having a referee call the game off would be way more humiliating that conceding a couple of extra goals, I do think that kids football focuses to much on results. Kids under the age of fourteen should be focusing on technique and skills rather than worrying where they are in the league. Maybe that way we wouldn''t witness professional footballers in this country who can trap the ball further than I can kick it.Many of the problems which have blighted the English game for years are caused by youngsters being taught that ''if in doubt kick it out'' or to ''hit the channels'' which is caused by a fear of defeat from an early age. We need to allow them to play without fear and take risks without worrying about getting a bollocking from some ''coach'' who''s living his footballing life vicariously through his son.Unfortunately any attempt to focus on technique ahead of results is automatically branded ''politically correct''* by people who labour under the delusion that grit, heart, passion and determination are more important than technique.* In the news this week we''ve seen the words ''quantative easing'' used over and over again without once being described as being politically correct. Surely the very definition of ''PC'' is changing the name of a certain thing to make it more palatable politically. So ''printing money'' becomes ''quantative easing'' and ''kidnapping someone, flying them to a random hellhole, simulating drowning and then hacking at their genitals with a razor blade'' becomes ''extraordinary rendition''. Woe betide anyone who changes the lyrics to ''What Shall We Do With The Drunken Sailor'' though. Clearly that is much, much more important [:|]

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I can''t speak for myself as a kid as I never really got any games for my school (I was pretty poor...I even got substituted TWICE in one game. Stupid "Rolling subs" rule!) but I get the impression that if they really were dedicated to the game and loved it that much, and many schoolboys do, then even if they were on the end of such a dreadful score with some time still to play at the very least they''d still be playing the game they love. If anything, a good individual performance or two from a player in the losing side would ensure they got a go next game whilst others would have to do better in the training sessions. Well, I say training, it was more of a quick kickabout after school sometimes. Cutting a game short just because the team is getting hammered would only serve to make the kids more ticked off. If anything it''d just make them lose the will the play altogether. Usually if the other team has got about 6 or 7 goals already they''d pretty much give up by this point knowing that the next couple of goals won''t be far off. From then they''d stop go to training/kickabout sessions and go back to hopskotch. On the other side of the coin, think of the teams who are actually winning by these margins!! They''d be just as annoyed their game had been cut short knowing they could have demolished their foes with ease. The next day they''d moan because they could''ve won by more and they had to go home early instead of being the bees knees to all their classmates the next day having won 20-0. The poor little blighters!

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I think stopping the game is the wrong idea, but mixing the teams up..why not. Whilst alot of your points about it toughening kids up, and teaching them the harsh reality of the real world a valid; you seem to be forgetting (IMHO) the most important thing about youth sport. It''s supposed to be fun.My ole man suggested instead of stopping the game or swapping players round why not make everybody play out of postition, swap strikers for center backs, put a winger in goal etc. Along with being fun sport at youth level should be about learning and improving when I played junior rugby occasionally they would play us out of our preffered position because at 7 or 8 theres no way of knowing how your going to develop, I went from scrum-half to full back to prop to second row to flanker. quite an adolesence!

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[quote user="Herb"][quote user="Arthur Whittle"]

[quote user="pennywise "] then again            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSSva2D5p64    [:D][/quote]

Such wonderful memorys...and some people say Andy Coles a tosser? Not that day he wasnt!

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Quality! Was round a mates listening to the game live on the radio that day and his brother (a scummer) retired upstairs in disgust after about the 4th goal to escape our hysterics. We kept shouting up the stairs as the goals flew in...to ever louder shouts of "**** off!" from him. I remember hearing the Man U fans singing "We want 10!"
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i like the 8th goal, the free kick  craig forrest has totally lost it by then [:D]

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[quote user="Buckethead"]We used to regularly hammer out scores like 25-0 and 26-1 at 8,9 and 10 years old in the Norfolk Cubs football league back in the mid 70''s. Don''t think the County is full of mid 40''s psychologically depraved loonies who can all trace it back to a 22-2 drubbing on the pitch at Earlham 30 years ago, might be wrong but I think it was probably called ''character building'' back then.Mind you the boys of a generation and more ago were hard, I mean they got mud on their trousers, climbed trees, swam in the river, could eat without washing their hands after fishing and playing with frogs and didn''t know what an antibiotic was until they had children of their own.Still I guess nannying your children is probably the best preparation you can possibly give them for adult life in this bloody Country these days.[/quote]

 

Our cub scout team lost 31-1 (perhaps it was 26?) about 30 years ago  plus a couple of other scores in the 20''s. We were the 17th Norwich and played in dark blue shirts. I couldn''t remember who we were playing but it may have been your lot! We also had the son of a famous Norwich striker up front, all to no avail. Strangely we actually had half a team of decent players. Perhaps we just lacked ''belief''. Unfortunately, the ''coach'' was one of the lads fathers who used to employ an interesting and ahead of its time rotation policy and I remember our keeper might as well not have been there but no-one else wanted to go in goal. We managed to keep our heads up somehow because I think we loved playing and despite the results we had a good team spirit so in the end it was great character building stuff. There was no major sulking or stropping off at all. We accepted defeat with handshakes. We played a team on the heartsease and only lost 11-0 which we saw as a really positive result. I don''t think we won any in that particular season but there was definitely a narrow 3-2 defeat and a 1-1 draw in the last game where we gave it in spades and ended the season on a massive high! Those were happy days.

Definitely they learn to play to the final whistle whatever the score. It''s a valuable life lesson for them.

[/quote]It was possibly us  (1st Taverham ) the team was formed and entered into the League in about 1974. We started in the bottom league and won promotion three years in a row. Home ground was at Earlham for some reason and I think we played in red. Seem to remember Brundall cubs must have done the same as us starting at the same time because we played them every year and they were the only team where regular scores like 2-1 were common. We didn''t win every match by any means and suffered some heavy defeats along the way but the defeats only made us bolster down and train and try harder. Unless they give you internet access in gaol nowadays I can only assume that a heavy defeat in cub football 30 years ago didn''t traumatise you sufficiently that you harboured a grudge against society for 30 years before gaining revenge in a series of homicidal axe wielding maniacal serial killings or let''s be honest any harm whatsoever. I just don''t know where these psychological nannies are coming from or more worryingly what evidence they have to support their absurd theories, seems to me to be the only branch of science where a theory does not need proven empirically prior to acceptance.Cub football was great, a lot of fun something to look forward to at the weekend win, lose or draw and quite sociable too. Several lads we''d met from the football around the County ''turned up'' when we started secondary school, a couple of whom I''m still loosely in touch with over 30 years later.

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In my sons league there is a team who has lost every game this season and one team beat them 27-0 when the rubbish team only had 6 players - I am afraid that is not on.

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[quote user="ITFC or NCFC......NCFC"]In my sons league there is a team who has lost every game this season and one team beat them 27-0 when the rubbish team only had 6 players - I am afraid that is not on.[/quote]Ouch!!! That is ridiculous why on earth didn''t the ref and coaches agree to share players so at least the numbers were evenly matched, it is after all first and foremost a sport?

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[quote user="ITFC or NCFC......NCFC"]In my sons league there is a team who has lost every game this season and one team beat them 27-0 when the rubbish team only had 6 players - I am afraid that is not on.[/quote]Could they not simply re-arrange the match?!

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sadly its not a good idear, you cant sit there and say "oh im having a crap time at work and its all getting too much for me... so im just going to give up so i dont get too upset" or " im not studying for my exams as they are wearing me out.. best i stop and wait till next year"

Children should be encouraged to play in sport, and have to learn that sometimes things dont go your way and you dont always win....  teaching them to just give up is going to give them no incentive to learn where it all went wrong and get even better....

jas :)

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