Gunn Out

[WeAreYellows49 0]

[quote user="DontPanic"][quote user="WeAreYellows49"]

[quote user="DontPanic"]Should never have been in.......completley out of his depth....a muppet,don,t forget he was the person who was looking after player recruitment before he was made Manager so a lot of these players were got in by him[/quote]

A muppet?  That man you call a muppet is a NC legend, and regardless of what you think of him as a manager at least show some respect and maturity by not calling him names.

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No wonder we are crap,  we are going down and pratts like you keep going on about "Legends" what the Fook has that got to do with it?????? nobody made him take the job...he has not got a clue......our players may be poor but he got a lot of them in,

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Ahhhhhhhhh so it''s my fault we are going down, always has to be a scapegoat wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh  [:''(][:''(][:''(]

Do grow up child, and when you feel you are mature enough for a sensible debate then please do come back [:D]

[WeAreYellows49 0]

[quote user="Captain Controversy"]But for the club he should now accept that he can''t save us.
I''m not saying he isnt a legend. He is. But all this is doing is tarnishing all the great memories. Gunn at this rate will be remembered as the manager who took us down to the third tier.
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I don''t think anyone could disagree with that.  If he was to go who would come in? And paid for with what?

[Sir Daz<IMG src="http:new.pinkun.comforumsimagesline.gif"><BR>Sir Daz 0]

Gunny was a legendary player but that doesnt mean he will be a legendary manager and results & performances during his tenure have been poor. I would argue worse than roeder''s.

I love Gunny and the worst i accuse him of is  naivety (and he is not alone in that, see the board and many of the supporters), however he will not keep us up. So unless we want to accept relegation we need to change him now. 

[Yorkshire Canary 118]

No Hope now no matter who comes in

[wilw6 0]

Peter Grunt held up his hands & admitted he was hopeless as a manager at NCFC. Gunn should do the same & go back to his odd job man routine.

Whether he''s a legend is irrelevant. he''s a hopeless manager.

 

[Don,tPanic 0]

[quote user="WeAreYellows49"][quote user="DontPanic"][quote user="WeAreYellows49"]

[quote user="DontPanic"]Should never have been in.......completley out of his depth....a muppet,don,t forget he was the person who was looking after player recruitment before he was made Manager so a lot of these players were got in by him[/quote]

A muppet?  That man you call a muppet is a NC legend, and regardless of what you think of him as a manager at least show some respect and maturity by not calling him names.

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No wonder we are crap,  we are going down and pratts like you keep going on about "Legends" what the Fook has that got to do with it?????? nobody made him take the job...he has not got a clue......our players may be poor but he got a lot of them in,

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Ahhhhhhhhh so it''s my fault we are going down, always has to be a scapegoat wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh  [/quote]

Do grow up child, and when you feel you are mature enough for a sensible debate then please do come back [:D]

Why don,t you answer my points....nobody made him take the job.....his signings in January are appalling.....He is way way out of his depth......if Roeder had been in charge for this game then i,m sure "Muppet" would have been one of the kinder comments, so do you see now,it matters not that he is a "legend" only that he is the current NCFC Manager and therefore as with Worthy,Grant and Roeder he has not got to expect a "love" in when things go BADLY wrong......apart from Doughnuts (is that ok) like you who think that "Legend" means they are not there to be shot at.......by the way ...."Child"  I wish i was,I have been attending Carrow Road since 1971 and so have seen a few crap teams and managers and this is the worst team and the last 3 managers are also at the bottom of the list ...including Gunn the Legend

[drurys dodgy knee 0]

who he is or was is completely irrelevant right now. he''s got to keep us up. if he doesn''t the board must do the sensible thing as early as possible. one thing''s for sure though, the board made ANOTHER bad management decision

[Clever Farke 64]

[quote user="wilw6"]

Peter Grunt held up his hands & admitted he was hopeless as a manager at NCFC. Gunn should do the same & go back to his odd job man routine.

Whether he''s a legend is irrelevant. he''s a hopeless manager.

 

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And so he is to be judged on the few games he has had in a highly pressured situation, inheriting a dispirited shambles of a paper thin squad with no money to improve it. The man hasn''t had a chance!!!!!!!! Despite everything he has got us a couple of wins, a few creditable draws and some narrow defeats, except for today. On the whole, performances and team spirit have improved except for today of course. If we win on Tuesday, and bearing in mind our irrational form is quite possible, we are still within touching distance. I agree with the irrelevance of his legendaryness but I don''t agree that he is a hopeless manager at this point in time, unlike Granty and book end Roeder. Even if we go down could you honestly have said any incoming ''fire fighter'' would have kept this shambles up. Get behind Gunny, he''s the only hope we have. To turn on him is merely giving the board cover.

Those calling for the return of Mr wrecking ball Roeder need to consider the amount of time and resources that man had at his disposal only to bring us to where we are now. That is what I call a hopeless manager! As for Peter rabbit in headlights, what needs to be said?

[Syteanric 1]

 

no, Glenn Roeder signed them.. Gunn showed them around the city and said "aint it nice" and may have just appraoched the players agents on behalf of the club to get the ball rolling.. but lets just p*ss on this theory once and for all shall we?

Marshall - Grant signing

Otsemobor - Grant signing

Shackell - Worthington gave him his chance 1st time.

Doherty - Worthington

Drury - Worthington

Grounds - Roeder

Croft - Worthington

Fattison - Grant

Bertrand - Roeder

Cureton - Grant

Fozzy - Grant

Lappin - Grant

Rusty - Grant

Stefanovic - Roeder

Nelson - Roeder

Hooligan - Roeder

i wont list the rest of the squad.. but yep.. Gunns Fault! [8-)]

jas :)

[essex canary 0]

Gunn will never lose his ''Legend'' status but if he ever will it would be very soon.

 

that makes absolutely no bloody sense whatsoever

[essex canary 0]

[quote user="ITFC or NCFC......NCFC"]Gunn will never lose his ''Legend'' status but if he ever will it would be very soon.[/quote]

 

that makes absolutely no bloody sense whatsoever

[whoareyou? 0]

[quote user="jas the barclay king"]

 

no, Glenn Roeder signed them.. Gunn showed them around the city and said "aint it nice" and may have just appraoched the players agents on behalf of the club to get the ball rolling.. but lets just p*ss on this theory once and for all shall we?

Marshall - Grant signing

Otsemobor - Grant signing

Shackell - Worthington gave him his chance 1st time.

Doherty - Worthington

Drury - Worthington

Grounds - Roeder

Croft - Worthington

Fattison - Grant

Bertrand - Roeder

Cureton - Grant

Fozzy - Grant

Lappin - Grant

Rusty - Grant

Stefanovic - Roeder

Nelson - Roeder

Hooligan - Roeder

i wont list the rest of the squad.. but yep.. Gunns Fault! [8-)]

jas :)

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Was it not Gunn''s job under Roeder to scout and search for players though and bring them to the club?

He has to accept some responsibility plus he has signed a load of loan players he now thinks are not good enough to get in our already-crap team.

I''m not blaming him for the whole fiasco because it goes much deeper than that, but he does have some responsibilty for where we are!

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="JohnoBono"]It''s too late to fire fight when the building is burning down around you.[/quote]

Totally agree Johno, he should never have got the job in then first place.[:|]

[Syteanric 1]

[quote user="First Wizard"]

[quote user="JohnoBono"]It''s too late to fire fight when the building is burning down around you.[/quote]

Totally agree Johno, he should never have got the job in then first place.[:|]

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thats what people have to accept Wiz, its no good sayingg Gunn out or whatever.. he was offered the job by the board... they are wholly accountable.. did they learn nothing from mistakes of the past?

jas :)

[0ridgemanddMMyyyy0Falseen-USTrue 0]

Gunn applied for the job and he is out of his depth. It is the managers responsibility to pick the team and the tactics for the game so far under Gunn we have failed. Irrespective of how many games he has played for the club - for which he was well paid -  this is the Norwich City mentality that will see us  in the lower divisions for several seasons yet. We need a break from the past the players are good enough if they are organised correctly unfortunately under Gunn, Crook and Butterworth we seem to be going backwards and I have seen little to give me any hope of progress.

Once again the board and our Chief Exec have failed big time.

[koimatsuba 0]

[quote user="Sir Daz"]

Our only hope now is to appoint a specialist fire fighter with the experience of getting teams out of trouble and to spend our way out of trouble  on top of the champoinship quality loanees.

Gunn''s signings have made no impact whatsoever but i don''t necesarily blame him for that, he was the wrong man at the wrong time and the board can add that to their ever lengthening list of mistakes.

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errrrrrrrr? We sacked the relegation specialist remember, bottom of the league, 13 games unbeaten,  opppppppppppssssss? what have we done.

Oh yeah we paniced about season ticket sales and all got on Roeders back until the squad hated him as much as the fans.

Then we got a city legend in to boost moral and keep the fans quiet, sell season tickes (17k of them) and then forgot to mention that he''s never been a manager before, let alone tried to get a sh*t team out of the bottom 6 (then).

Oh dear, its all a bit too late now isn''t it ...!

I''ve had enough!

Final

 

[Canary02 III 0]

I''ll take your points.

1) Nobody made him take the job. He did what any fan of a football club would do and took the managers job when offered. This doesn''t make him a muppet. It was a brave decision, and maybe he shouldn''t have risked it, but he did, and I would have done the same in his position.

2) His signings in January were bad, no question. However, how attractive do you think a transfer to Norwich would have been for most players at that stage? His options would have been very limited, but I agree that he didn''t do a great recruitment job there.

3) He is out of his depth - I''m not entirely convinced on this one. It''s hard to judge a manager who is working with a bad squad that he has only been able to cobble a few loan signings onto. Plus, some of the football played has been infinitely better than that under Roeder or Grant. The results however have been the same. In all fairness he''s no worse than either of those two.

4) Legend status has to be earned, and that man has put in the blood, sweat and tears to deserve this over many years. It does not make him immune to criticism for poor managerial decisions. It DOES give him the right to respect at every juncture however, and if you want to call a club legend a muppet because (boo-hoo) you''re a bit upset that your team lost a game of football that they had no right to win, then please do us all a favour and go and support Wolverhampton Wanderers or a club of similar ilk, where your kind are tolerated.

This, I believe, is why despite your years, your attitude is compared to that of a fickle, immature child.

 

[Canary02 III 0]

Sorry, that was addressed to Don''t Panic (and his non-matching quotes that stopped me referencing the previous post)

[Two Tails 0]

Get rid of the loans, and play our youth team, save us some money and give us a little bit of pride as we slide down.

[Norwich R Us 59]

[quote user="Loan City Fc "]Gunn has served his purpose as far as the Board are concerned all 17,000 of them .[/quote]Great post. Absolutely spot on.

[Don,tPanic 0]

[quote user="ridgeman"]

Gunn applied for the job and he is out of his depth. It is the managers responsibility to pick the team and the tactics for the game so far under Gunn we have failed. Irrespective of how many games he has played for the club - for which he was well paid -  this is the Norwich City mentality that will see us  in the lower divisions for several seasons yet. We need a break from the past the players are good enough if they are organised correctly unfortunately under Gunn, Crook and Butterworth we seem to be going backwards and I have seen little to give me any hope of progress.

Once again the board and our Chief Exec have failed big time.

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Spot on

[Positive Yellow 0]

[quote user="ridgeman"]

Gunn applied for the job and he is out of his depth. It is the managers responsibility to pick the team and the tactics for the game so far under Gunn we have failed. Irrespective of how many games he has played for the club - for which he was well paid -  this is the Norwich City mentality that will see us  in the lower divisions for several seasons yet. We need a break from the past the players are good enough if they are organised correctly unfortunately under Gunn, Crook and Butterworth we seem to be going backwards and I have seen little to give me any hope of progress.

Once again the board and our Chief Exec have failed big time.

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My thoughts I feel offering Gunn the job was only to keep fans of the Board''s Back - I read that he applied for the Norwich job 10 years ago if he was serious in wanting to be a football manager you would have thought he would have tried to get some coaching badges or management experience?

 

I feel this is the same scenario at Newcastle when Shearer offered job - he knew he was a hero at club but did not want to risk this status as he was not qualified to do the job? Fair enough Roeder may have had to go but when you are in the bottom of the table is it a time to give a novice manager a 1st time chance? Maybe if we were at mid-table?

 

Strongly Feel we have to have a replacement now time for the Board to show

1) They do care about staying in this league

2) They want to protect their investment -

 

50% of me feelsGunn has been made a scapegoat for the Board and 50% that Gunn was dillusional to think he could do this job as a 1st time manager. Below are the players he brought in, excluding Norwich performances - again, when it is this time of the season you need players to come to the club who are 1) Match Fit  2) Have played regular 3)Can add something - whilst I do not underestimate their ability I feel they will need 3-6 months to get proper match fit - which we havent got!

 

Chris Killen      Striker -    New Zealand  -   Age 27       Games Played 2007-2008 = 3 (25 Sub)   Goals Scored = 1

David Carney   Midfielder - Australian -       Age 25 -    Games Played 2007-2008= 23 (4 Sub)  Goals Scored =3

Alan Gow        Midfielder - Scottish -         Age 26       Games Played 2007-2008 = 12 (7 Sub) Goals Scored = 5

Adrian Leijer    Defender - Australian -        Age 23       Games Played 2007-2008 = 0   Goals Scored =0

Carl Cort         Striker  -   English              Age 32       Games Played 2007-2009 = 8 (7 Sub)  Goals Scored = 0

Cody Mcdonald Striker - Non League

 

Will be say a prayer to keep us up!

[canaryfan68 0]

If Gunn has the legendary status as described surely a better position within the club would have been in a ''PR'' role rather than being a manager (of a team facing its worst predicament in over 30 years) to help with season ticket renewals. What we needed at the time was a strong decision for the new manager appointment rather than the easy and cheap option. If he was the right man for the job why only give him until the end of the season. The players wanted Gunn because they liked him, so far we haven''t seen them really go the extra mile for him like the teams around us are for their manager''s.

We need to address the real issue which is the board, for without removing them we will continue to settle for mediocrity at best and all done on a shoe string budget. We have reaped what we have sown over the last few years and its only in one direction which unfortunately is decline.

[Don,tPanic 0]

[quote user="Canary02 III"]

I''ll take your points.

1) Nobody made him take the job. He did what any fan of a football club would do and took the managers job when offered. This doesn''t make him a muppet. It was a brave decision, and maybe he shouldn''t have risked it, but he did, and I would have done the same in his position.

2) His signings in January were bad, no question. However, how attractive do you think a transfer to Norwich would have been for most players at that stage? His options would have been very limited, but I agree that he didn''t do a great recruitment job there.

3) He is out of his depth - I''m not entirely convinced on this one. It''s hard to judge a manager who is working with a bad squad that he has only been able to cobble a few loan signings onto. Plus, some of the football played has been infinitely better than that under Roeder or Grant. The results however have been the same. In all fairness he''s no worse than either of those two.

4) Legend status has to be earned, and that man has put in the blood, sweat and tears to deserve this over many years. It does not make him immune to criticism for poor managerial decisions. It DOES give him the right to respect at every juncture however, and if you want to call a club legend a muppet because (boo-hoo) you''re a bit upset that your team lost a game of football that they had no right to win, then please do us all a favour and go and support Wolverhampton Wanderers or a club of similar ilk, where your kind are tolerated.

This, I believe, is why despite your years, your attitude is compared to that of a fickle, immature child.

 

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So you would have taken the job as well under this board.....MUPPET x2

His signings are crap

He is out of his depth

And i repeat.....his past playing record as a Legend has nothing to do with the here and now.....for gods sake wake up and smell the coffee and understand that yesterdays men count for nothing in the real world............believe me i am far from a fickle and immature child

[Syteanric 1]

[quote user="DontPanic"]

His signings are crap

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and yet you dont acknowledge my last post.....

wouldn''t want you to have to stop your 1 man vendetta against Gunn now.. would we?

jas :)

[Chunky Canary 0]

[quote user="jas the barclay king"][quote user="Sir Daz"]

Our only hope now is to appoint a specialist fire fighter with the experience of getting teams out of trouble and to spend our way out of trouble  on top of the champoinship quality loanees.

Gunn''s signings have made no impact whatsoever but i don''t necesarily blame him for that, he was the wrong man at the wrong time and the board can add that to their ever lengthening list of mistakes.

[/quote]hello.. HELLO.. Wakey Wakey! its the players stupid.. a new manager WILL take us down because he has to work with the worst squad in the clubs history....

jas :)

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Very true Jas but just ask yourself who was head of player recruitment until recently and who signed Killen, Gow, McDonald, Mooney, Carney and Lieger and who is reluctant to start them?  I''m afraid that Gunn must shoulder some of the blame as he has played his part in putting together the worst team in the clubs history as you so correctly describe them

[Canary02 III 0]

[quote user="Don,tPanic"][quote user="Canary02 III"]

So you would have taken the job as well under this board.....MUPPET x2

His signings are crap

He is out of his depth

And i repeat.....his past playing record as a Legend has nothing to do with the here and now.....for gods sake wake up and smell the coffee and understand that yesterdays men count for nothing in the real world............believe me i am far from a fickle and immature child

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1) So you, as a "fan", are given a once in a lifetime opportunity to manage your club, and you don''t take it? All of us come on here espousing our wisdom to one extent or other, and to suggest that we wouldn''t jump at an opportunity like that is ridiculous. Whether he should have been given the opportunity is a different point, but I don''t blame him at all for accepting.

2) Yes, we agreed that.

3) Debateable, but you made your point, I made mine, and you yours again.

4) If you notice, I did make the point that he, as a manager is not immune to criticism on footballing matters. However, a man who has played as well as he has for this club at the highest level and who has remained staunchly Norwich throughout deserves the courtesy of not being called a muppet, or any other playground name you can think of. (You can see where the child analogies are emanating from surely?) [:$] 

[Don,tPanic 0]

[quote user="jas the barclay king"][quote user="DontPanic"]

His signings are crap

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and yet you dont acknowledge my last post.....

wouldn''t want you to have to stop your 1 man vendetta against Gunn now.. would we?

jas :)

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Because you did not include Gow,Killen,McDonald,Leijar,Mooney,Carney and bringing back Cureton.......FFS what is there to work out......you keep bleeding Yellow and Green